mix and matching hubs and stubs

[weeds]

thought i would start a thread in here insteading of dropping into the drum to disc conversation thread.........

i didn't realise or even research what i put together my custom axle......

i used the following

stubs from a salisbury
hubs, disc and calipers from a D1....silly me assumed D1 would be the same as tdi defender

can anybody see a problem with putting D1 hubs onto salisbury stub?

[jimbo110]

Disc brake sals stubs are shorter than the drum brake variety due to a narrower spacing between the bearings, something to do with being able to fit alloy wheels. Something tells me the Disco hubs will also run the narrow spacing.:(

[jimbo110]

Also from memory, the half shafts are shorter because of this.:(

[jimbo110]

So...............would think 300TDI Defender stubs should fit as they both use the same bearings and the spacing MAY be the same as well as the hub seals should fit. Only one way to find out.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Disc brake sals stubs are shorter than the drum brake variety due to a narrower spacing between the bearings, something to do with being able to fit alloy wheels. Something tells me the Disco hubs will also run the narrow spacing.:(Not completely true. :BigCry:

My '91 drum brake Defender has the same (narrow bearing spacing) stub axle dimensions as the Disco 1. So there must be a change over sometime during Defender production.

(Also the problem with the alloy rims is the external size of the hub casting, which can be machined off to fit the alloy rims without having to change stub axles or hubs.)

It also means that just like when fitting 110 front hubs onto 110 rear stubs there is a 20mm narrowing of the track.

Can we start a table, where we specify the VIN of the vehicle (or donor axle), whether they are narrow or wide bearing spacing and the height of the wheel face and drive flange face when the hub is sitting on the floor with the wheel face at the top?

This way we may be able to sort out all the differences in a single source.
I wonder if we should also check (and tabulate) the axle halfshaft lengths by inserting a measuring stick into the diff and measuring the flange face of the hub/s?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I will complete my measurments over the weekend.

[weeds]

chasing the answer to my main question first.....is it OK to fit D1 rear hubs to a salisbury rear stub

i have done this already to a custom trailer axle and have towed it for a few thousand km's.

just want to make sure the bearings are sitting on the right spots......it all bolted up OK

[Bush65]

chasing the answer to my main question first.....is it OK to fit D1 rear hubs to a salisbury rear stub

i have done this already to a custom trailer axle and have towed it for a few thousand km's.

just want to make sure the bearings are sitting on the right spots......it all bolted up OK
You need to qualify just what salisbury you are referring to. Just stating salisbury stub axles is misleading.

As per the earlier replies, early drum braked sals have longer stub axles for wider hubs and bearing spacing.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

chasing the answer to my main question first.....is it OK to fit D1 rear hubs to a salisbury rear stub

i have done this already to a custom trailer axle and have towed it for a few thousand km's.

just want to make sure the bearings are sitting on the right spots......it all bolted up OKThe bearing spacings on my '91 Defender (Salisbury & Rover diffs) are exactly the same as the bearing spacings on the Discovery 1 hubs I have.

[weeds]

You need to qualify just what salisbury you are referring to. Just stating salisbury stub axles is misleading.

As per the earlier replies, early drum braked sals have longer stub axles for wider hubs and bearing spacing.

Disk Salisbury off a 95 defer

[weeds]

The bearing spacings on my '91 Defender (Salisbury & Rover diffs) are exactly the same as the bearing spacings on the Discovery 1 hubs I have.

Thanks Did......

Next question is the any difference in the hub itself ie would it change my track or and is the disc alignment different??

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Did......

Next question is the any difference in the hub itself ie would it change my track or and is the disc alignment different??Hi Kelvin

Thats where I'm a little unclear and why I have to re-measure everything. I have 4 X Disco 1 hubs 3 are the same and the other unknown. When I sat them onto the Defender stubs and measured the track (1 drum +1 Disco 1 (disk brake) hub) the track was 10mm narrower than it was with 2 drums.

[weeds]

Thanks do......I have a spare D1 but nothing to pop it onto

[TonyC]

Not completely true. :BigCry:

My '91 drum brake Defender has the same (narrow bearing spacing) stub axle dimensions as the Disco 1. So there must be a change over sometime during Defender production.

(Also the problem with the alloy rims is the external size of the hub casting, which can be machined off to fit the alloy rims without having to change stub axles or hubs.)

It also means that just like when fitting 110 front hubs onto 110 rear stubs there is a 20mm narrowing of the track.

Can we start a table, where we specify the VIN of the vehicle (or donor axle), whether they are narrow or wide bearing spacing and the height of the wheel face and drive flange face when the hub is sitting on the floor with the wheel face at the top?

This way we may be able to sort out all the differences in a single source.
I wonder if we should also check (and tabulate) the axle halfshaft lengths by inserting a measuring stick into the diff and measuring the flange face of the hub/s?

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/technical-chatter/67095d1381920905-mix-matching-hubs-stubs-hubs-stubs.jpg

I will complete my measurments over the weekend.


Hi Diana,
95 Defender 130, VIN salldkhf7maXXXXXX, Salisbury axle, Disk Brake, Narrow bearing hub (I assume), long axle 958 mm, short axle 640 mm (these are the actual axle lengths).

It might be worth mentioning that the HTE axles that replace these ones are longer with matching flanges for more spline engagement.

I don't have the other measurements.

I hope this helps.
I have a 85 Drum Salisbury that I can get some measurements off, if that is of any use, but I will be at lest a few weeks till I can get at it.

Tony

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Diana,
95 Defender 130, VIN salldkhf7maXXXXXX, Salisbury axle, Disk Brake, Narrow bearing hub (I assume), long axle 958 mm, short axle 640 mm (these are the actual axle lengths).

It might be worth mentioning that the HTE axles that replace these ones are longer with matching flanges for more spline engagement.

I don't have the other measurements.

I hope this helps.
I have a 85 Drum Salisbury that I can get some measurements off, if that is of any use, but I will be at lest a few weeks till I can get at it. (I have a NOS in-crate, 110 Salisbury out at the chook shed - will see if I can get to it for a measurement)

TonyHi Tony

Have sorted out a lot of this in the other thread. The stub axles changed at LA prefix mine is HA and yours post at MA.

You are correct about HTE axles for the late disk brake Defenders (post LA). HTE make them longer with more spline because of the increased wear in the original short splines. They also have matching flanges for these "X" suffix axle halfshafts.

Talking to Barry at Hi-Tough this morning we may be able to use the special flanges from the X halfshafts to match the 110/early Defender halfshafts when using the post LA Defender stubs (FTC 1740) and Disco hubs.

Onto the FTC 1740 stub axles. Rovacraft, Graeme Cooper's and LVS have nil stock. Genuine LR are about $190
OEM are about $150
Britpart ex-UK are about £15 + shipping ($25+)
Given that OEM are about 6 times more expensive, would people risk using Britpart stub axles?? :confused:

[lokka]

Must be hub n stub month hay I have been playing with some and my findings are this

Stubs with a key way type of slot to take the locator tag on the bearing washer are the early type wide space hub found on all RRC with 10 spline axles and early D1 with 10 spliners
Countys seem to be hit and miss tho most early countys the better ones have the wide stubs tho were it gets hit n miss is were the change over took place 89 90 91 and 92 some even still have wide spaced front hubs with narrow rears D1 even did similar I have found D1's fitted from factory with a 10 spline front and 24 spline rear with wide hubs up front and narrow rears seems rover just used up all the left over rangie diffs in the D1

The best way to tell the 2 apart is the early wide spaced stub has the key type of slot and the later narrow spaced stub has a large flat section machined on the outer side of the threaded section to locate the bearing washer
As for fitting a wide hub to a narrow stub or vice versa it could happen tho you would see straight away that either the stub was too wide for the hub and the bearing wont seat or that the stub is too short for the hub and you cant get the lock nuts both on with the bearing seated

As for the wheel bearings im sure they are all the same for both wide and narrow hubs

[lokka]

so the FTC 1740 is the part no for the early wide space hub is it as I found these and none have that part no

Land Rover Defender 110 130 Rear Stub Axle Repair KIT`94 TO 98 DA3199 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-110-130-Rear-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-94-98-DA3199-/280874717861?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item41657012a5)

Land Rover Defender 110 130 Rear Stub Axle Repair KIT`99 ON DA3198 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-110-130-Rear-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-99-DA3198-/370609999146?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item564a13cd2a)

First one is for the sals the second is for rover diff

Then these are the fronts

Early
Land Rover Defender Front Stub Axle Repair KIT TO`94 DA3190 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-Front-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-to-94-DA3190-/280883945751?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4165fce117)

Late
Land Rover Defender Front Stub Axle Repair KIT`94 TO`06 DA3191 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-Front-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-94-to-06-DA3191-/251065591215?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a74ace5af)

Later
Land Rover Defender Front Stub Axle Repair KIT 2007 ON DA3192 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-Front-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-2007-DA3192-/370614813154?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item564a5d41e2)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

so the FTC 1740 is the part no for the early wide space hub is it as I found these and none have that part no <no it is the rear stub for the narrow spaced disk brake Defender>

Land Rover Defender 110 130 Rear Stub Axle Repair KIT`94 TO 98 DA3199 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-110-130-Rear-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-94-98-DA3199-/280874717861?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item41657012a5)

Land Rover Defender 110 130 Rear Stub Axle Repair KIT`99 ON DA3198 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-110-130-Rear-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-99-DA3198-/370609999146?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item564a13cd2a)

First one is for the sals the second is for rover diff

Then these are the fronts

Early
Land Rover Defender Front Stub Axle Repair KIT TO`94 DA3190 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-Front-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-to-94-DA3190-/280883945751?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4165fce117)

Late
Land Rover Defender Front Stub Axle Repair KIT`94 TO`06 DA3191 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-Front-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-94-to-06-DA3191-/251065591215?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a74ace5af)

Later
Land Rover Defender Front Stub Axle Repair KIT 2007 ON DA3192 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-Front-Stub-Axle-Repair-Kit-2007-DA3192-/370614813154?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item564a5d41e2)Note item 2 on the exploded diagram - applies to post LA prefix Defenders i.e disk brake Defenders.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/90-110-130-defender-county/67076d1381903450-county-rear-disk-brake-conversion-pics-p-ns-rear-axle-vin-la930435.jpg

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Updating the latest table and a comparison of FRC 8540 and Disco 1 rear stubs.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/technical-chatter/67250d1382100784-mix-matching-hubs-stubs-hubs-stubs-3.jpg

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/technical-chatter/67249d1382100483-mix-matching-hubs-stubs-d-d-stubs.jpg