Madeleine McCann disappearance

[Eevo]

im normally only interested in australian crime, but this has peaked my interest.

where do i start?

uk family goes on holiday to portugal.

parents go to dinner leaving their kids alone in the hotel room (babysitting service and crèche available but no used)

young girl go missing, the policeman who investigates is later charged with perjury for a different case.

crime scene not secured.

the parents are labeled as suspect due to portuguese being unable to understand a DNA test.

the parents changing their story as to events on the night.

policeman releases a book alleging that madeleine had died in the holiday apartment and that the parents had invented the abduction. the parents sue.

[Eevo]

Were the parents responsible ?
here are the questions Kate McCann refused to answer from the Portuguese Police 7th Spetember 2007:

1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)

3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?

4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?

5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.

8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?

10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

12. Who contacted the authorities?

13. Who took place in the searches?

14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?

15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16. What does ‘we let her down’ mean?

17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?

18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?

20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?

21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?

22. Did you call Sky News?

23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

24. Did you ask for a priest?

25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?

26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

28. Did you manage to sleep?

29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?

31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

35. What is your medical specialty?

36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

37. Did you work every day?

38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?

39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?

42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

[Disco Muppet]

Can't claim to know any of the details but I do know one thing: It's a bloody, murky, ****fight of a case.

[THE BOOGER]

HHMMMM a dingo sorry stranger took my baby:(

[87County]

Were the parents responsible ?
here are the questions Kate McCann refused to answer from the Portuguese Police 7th Spetember 2007:

1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. ............................etc
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48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

Eevo, all of these are covered and rebutted on this site:

Madeleine McCann - Exposing the Myths [licensed for non-commercial use only] / Main Page (http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main%20Page)

I can't vouch for the veracity of either the questions that you have listed listed above that were published on the newspaper site or the "facts" that are published on the rebuttal site.

It seems that on occasions like this , the herd mentality, with the encouragement of the media, takes over and the list of possible suspects has the parents, or a parent, at the top. We have seen it before, we will see it again.

Either way it is a tragedy that the parents and relatives will have to somehow cope with for the rest of their lives.

[Eevo]

Eevo, all of these are covered and rebutted on this site:

Madeleine McCann - Exposing the Myths [licensed for non-commercial use only] / Main Page (http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main%20Page)

ive heard mixed info about that site. read a few times to take it with a grain of salt.




Either way it is a tragedy that the parents and relatives will have to somehow cope with for the rest of their lives.
too true

[d@rk51d3]

The thing thats bugged me from day 1 is the several reports of the mothers comments when discovering the child missing.

Not "Madeline is missing"
Not "Someone has taken Madeline"
But "THEY did it. THEY'VE taken Madeline"

So who are THEY?

Collectors for a bad deal? Someone they had an altercation with in the street? In any case, it sounded as if something was going on in the background, and the consequences weren't good.

[chunk]

The simple fact is that it is an on going Police investigation and as such we should not be making assumptions on the AULRO Forum as to wether someone is guilty or not. I would hate to see the Forum owners or a member for that matter end up in court for any comments made on the Forum.

[Eevo]

ok, so lets stick our head in the sand and not talk about it.

[Hay Ewe]

when investigating things, its very easy for the person doing the investigation to ask questions in a cool calm manner that seem quite reasonable.

For the person being asked of those questions, they are doing and carrying out the actions and it is happening, a lot of information is being processed and the recollection of exact words and phrases and step-by-step processes taken are not always remembered or able to be re-called exactly.

Hay Ewe

[Chucaro]

ok, so lets stick our head in the sand and not talk about it.

If the comments are going to based on assumptions by the media or others, I guess that the best it is to observe and keep out of it until you know that you have 100% of the facts right.
With the pass experience about Lindy Chamberlain case people should know when to refrain to make uneducated opinions.

[THE BOOGER]

This and the chamberlain case are very different but so similar both have the mother being portrayed as a suspect because they have not reacted in the manner people think they should. unfortunately in this case the brit police don't have jurisdiction but they can carry out their own investigation but I doubt anybody could be charged for talking about the case so INC is pretty safe:)

[sashadidi]

I was in Portugal not long after that and talked to my wife's relatives who live in Portugal, apparently there is not much sympathy for them (mcCanns) as such as there are many other Portuguese children missing as well and continue to go missing and no one seems to make such a fuss about them in the UK or any media but the most common comment from the Portuguese interestingly was why did they leave their children alone....
That said there was not a system of child abduction alerts like the the USA and the UK have where the child's photo and information is put up on the news and at railway stations etc ASAP.
Very sad all round, I only hope she did not suffer for a long time

[Ferret]

Were the parents responsible ?
here are the questions Kate McCann refused to answer from the Portuguese Police 7th Spetember 2007:

Rule No.1 When you think the police may suspect you of something is don't talk to the police.

[mikehzz]

ok, so lets stick our head in the sand and not talk about it.

No, let's argue it out here and submit our learned conclusions to the Portugese Police. :D I vote the maid in the dining room with a candlestick...

[Eevo]

No, let's argue it out here and submit our learned conclusions to the Portugese Police. :D I vote the maid in the dining room with a candlestick...

We can argue it out for our own conclusion.

Do you know how many crimes are solved with the assistance of civilians?

[sheerluck]

........Do you know how many crimes are solved with the assistance of civilians?

Twelve.

[sheerluck]

Rule No.1 When you think the police may suspect you of something is don't talk to the police.

But if you don't talk to them, then you become a suspect.

[Eevo]

Twelve.

And can u name all 12?

[sheerluck]

Yep.

[Eevo]

Yep.

Sounds like your ready to be promoted

[Ferret]

But if you don't talk to them, then you become a suspect.

Your already a suspect if you are being interviewed in relation to a crime. At this point nothing you say can ever help you even if you are innocent.

Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007. The list of questions the McCann's refused to answer is from September 2007. At this point the police are no longer trying to find Madeleine McCann, they're trying to charge someone with a crime.

US centric but the generalities outlined here apply in many countries - Why you should never agree to be interviewed by the police.

Don't talk to the cops - Professor James Duane, Regent Law School

[sheerluck]

Sounds like your ready to be promoted

I'm not sure I have a ready, let alone having it promoted.

[d@rk51d3]

We can argue it out for our own conclusion.

Do you know how many crimes are solved with the assistance of civilians?

A few years ago, there was an elderly lady that went missing. A few days later her body was found.

Some regular customers at the restaurant where I worked ( a few wardens and police detectives ) were in for a meal. They were talking about how they'd just managed to solve the case, and the details would be released soon.

I replied "the daughter did it." Damn near all of them choked on their food, and wanted to know how I worked it out.

Gave them my reasonings, and it was spot on. Missus then told them I had it figured days ago when it first hit the news.