Your favourite land rover diesel engine

[Luke56000]

Just curious what everyones favourite land rover diesel engine is (doesn't have to be made by land rover, I know ford/BMW and quite a few others made engines for rovers but preferably engines that were sold as standard with rover models)

Your favorite general all rounder i.e power, versatility, reliability, ease of repair

[Eevo]

It's a trap!

[ramblingboy42]

most of us here have only had one engine, mine's td5, cant comment on anything else.

[Dougal]

4BD1T.

[123rover50]

4BD1T.

Wot he said:D

[JDNSW]

4BD1

John

[Vern]

What they ^ said

[Reads90]

Umm between the 200tdi and 300tdi

200 is more rugged for off roading but 300 is smoother and bit more power

Have both of them at the moment and not a lot between them really.

Like them over the TD5 due to lack of electrics.

[BigJon]

3.6 TDV8 :D

[Dougal]

3.6 TDV8 :D

Why not the 4.4tdv8?

[87County]

4BD1

[MR LR]

Well strictly speaking, the only Diesel engine "Land Rover" has ever designed and built is the td5.

The older diesels were Rover blocks.
4BD1 is an Isuzu.
The 3.0 and the DSE are BMW.
Others are Ford.

Maybe the 3.6 TDV8 was also in-house? I'm not sure about that.

So the best Land Rover diesel, by power of deduction is, by default, the td5 :p

[isuzutoo-eh]

4BD1!

Next best is the 2.25D :angel:

[rijidij]

4BD1T.


Wot he said:D


4BD1

John


What they ^ said


4BD1


4BD1!




What they ^ said......With turbo and intercooler :D

I own or have owned Td5, 300 Tdi with VNT etc, 4BD1, 4BD1T..........Oh, and 2.25 D in my 2A :D

Cheers, Murray

[BigJon]

Why not the 4.4tdv8?

Because I don't have one of them. Plus I have heard there are reliability issues that the 3.6 doesn't suffer from.

[Hay Ewe]

TD5 - love the burble as it slows down to idle
(also the only engine in a LR i have had)

Hay Ewe

[TimNZ]

2.2TDCi - I'm not joking, it's a great little engine.


(Now for the hate :) )

[Homestar]

BMW M57 TD6 in my L322.:)

It is the only diesel LR product I have, so can't comment on the others. The M57 has won best Diesel engine in Europe many times and is very robust, easy to work on and easy to get parts for. Have seen examples over 300KKM still in great condition, and on forums have seen examples of them with over 500KKM on them that still have had no issues and never needed rebuilding. The modern version of this engine is currently producing huge power and torque numbers and still has no reliability issues.:)

[sashadidi]

4BD1!

Next best is the 2.25D :angel:

+1 for the 2.25

[Disco Muppet]

As Will says, Td5 wins by default :p
And because it's easy to work on, smooth, powerful, economical, and versatile.
:cool:

[tangus89]

4BD1T - what does stalling mean?

[isuzutoo-eh]

4BD1T - what does stalling mean?

It means you've run out of fuel, couldn't be anything else.

[VladTepes]

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[BigBlueOne]

2.2TDCi - I'm not joking, it's a great little engine.


(Now for the hate :) )

X 2 :)

[Dougal]

4BD1T - what does stalling mean?

Either you're out of fuel (as already mentioned) or you just selected 4th instead of 2nd for takeoff.

I actually tried one day to start off and keep changing up without using the throttle, just feathering the clutch. I got 1-2-3-4th with no problem at all. 5th was too rumbly at idle.:angel:

[vnx205]

Either you're out of fuel (as already mentioned) or you just selected 4th instead of 2nd for takeoff.

I actually tried one day to start off and keep changing up without using the throttle, just feathering the clutch. I got 1-2-3-4th with no problem at all. 5th was too rumbly at idle.:angel:

I've seen a IIa with the 4 cyl petrol engine do something just as good as that.

I once got a lift with an old farmer in a SWB Series IIa. He must have been deaf as a post as he clearly had no idea what revs the engine was doing. He seemed to do his gear changing by numbers or by some other mysterious method that only he understood.

His technique for changing down was to wait until it was almost stalling and then select the next lower gear. At the speeds he was doing and the revs the engine was doing, no double declutching was necessary to silently select second.

On one occasion as the vehicle was on the verge of stalling in third gear, he slowly moved the gear lever in the general direction of second gear. Somehow he missed second gear and finished up in fourth.

Since the engine was close to stalling in third, you can imagine the sort of revs it was doing in fourth.

When the speed in fourth had built up to something approaching walking pace, he went through his usual routine of changing to third (thinking he was choosing a higher gear) and at about a very slow jog, he selected fourth.

if a 4 cylinder 2.25 litre petrol engine can do that, imagine how impressive the 2.25 litre diesel must have been. :)

[33chinacars]

BMW M57 TD6 in my L322.:)

It is the only diesel LR product I have, so can't comment on the others. The M57 has won best Diesel engine in Europe many times and is very robust, easy to work on and easy to get parts for. Have seen examples over 300KKM still in great condition, and on forums have seen examples of them with over 500KKM on them that still have had no issues and never needed rebuilding. The modern version of this engine is currently producing huge power and torque numbers and still has no reliability issues.:)

X2 :BigThumb::BigThumb::BigThumb:

[VladTepes]

I drove a Rangie with a TD6 in it and WAS very impressed.

[2stroke]

My vote's for the 300 Tdi, sure it's a bit underpowered down low, also a bit underpowered at high revs, the timing belt needs lovin every couple years (at least I get the radiator rodded at the same time) but it's simple. A couple of weeks ago on our CSR trip, just after well 49, the alternator seized the pulley end bearing and the casing broke as we attempted to fix it. The aircon belt fits around the crank, cooling fan, waterpump and reversed around the steer pump. We did 500 km in 5 days like that, try doing that in your fancy Td5 or Puma, in fact I don't even think you could do that in an Isuzu?

[VM_Motori]

try doing that in your fancy Td5 or Puma, in fact I don't even think you could do that in an Isuzu?

Pure Gold!
Thread WIN!

[bob10]

300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi 300 Tdi

Somewhere in there, there is a message, Bob:p

[Dougal]

Somewhere in there, there is a message, Bob:p

It's a magic eye thing. Stare at it crosseyed for long enough and it says td5.

[Tote]

TDI 300, even from new that puff of black smoke when they start smelt like a steam train.

Regards,
Tote

[Davehoos]

4BD1/ 4BD1T [IHI].

I would be happy with the smaller capacity version or the small 6 cyl.
6BB1

[Eevo]

As Will says, Td5 wins by default :p
And because it's easy to work on, smooth, powerful, economical, and versatile.
:cool:

troll :p

[Sitec]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IoH2WA7ilqw

Does this count? Not the smoothest of 6's but a 6 cylinder version of the 2.286 diesel none the less.. Now, if they'd done this with the Tdi or Td5 they'd have been onto something! For me tho, Td5... Purely for the sound it makes when chipped and with a decent exhaust!! :D

[isuzutoo-eh]

My vote's for the 300 Tdi, sure it's a bit underpowered down low, also a bit underpowered at high revs, the timing belt needs lovin every couple years (at least I get the radiator rodded at the same time) but it's simple. A couple of weeks ago on our CSR trip, just after well 49, the alternator seized the pulley end bearing and the casing broke as we attempted to fix it. The aircon belt fits around the crank, cooling fan, waterpump and reversed around the steer pump. We did 500 km in 5 days like that, try doing that in your fancy Td5 or Puma, in fact I don't even think you could do that in an Isuzu?

Well, there's no timing belt in the 4BD1 to worry about...
There's also no worry about the power steering pump, as that is gear driven off the timing gears too and seems to survive for the life of the engine.
There is nothing requiring electricity to run, not even an electric fuel pump, so the alternator isn't necessary.
So once it is started, it'd only need a couple of bootlaces to keep the water pump spinning to keep the 4BD1 going.

[Disco Muppet]

troll :p

Pot, Kettle, Black? :p


Well, there's no timing belt in the 4BD1 to worry about...
There's also no worry about the power steering pump, as that is gear driven off the timing gears too and seems to survive for the life of the engine.
There is nothing requiring electricity to run, not even an electric fuel pump, so the alternator isn't necessary.
So once it is started, it'd only need a couple of bootlaces to keep the water pump spinning to keep the 4BD1 going.

What about Brake light switches :D

[isuzutoo-eh]

Pot, Kettle, Black? :p



What about Brake light switches :D

Didn't stop the vehicle, just the operator :p

[2stroke]

Well, there's no timing belt in the 4BD1 to worry about...
There's also no worry about the power steering pump, as that is gear driven off the timing gears too and seems to survive for the life of the engine.
There is nothing requiring electricity to run, not even an electric fuel pump, so the alternator isn't necessary.
So once it is started, it'd only need a couple of bootlaces to keep the water pump spinning to keep the 4BD1 going.
Is the vac pump on the alternator? Been a while since I've been under an Isuzu bonnet perhaps you might say the same?;) The vac pump would be oil fed of course?
An incredibly lucky fluke of engineering that made it possible to swap the belts as I did and I'll take a spare alt in future (since I now have a bosch off a ford modified to fit). Of course a true boy scout would have already had a shorter belt to cover such an issue.:p

[jerryd]

Having owned a chipped TD5, an Isuzu County, a 200tdi,a Perkins Diesel :eek:, a series 2.25 petrol and a holden powered series 3.....about to become 300tdi powered :)

My favorite of these would have to be the 200tdi for simplicity and running costs, I thought the Isuzu was a great toy but way "too noisy" to take the wife + kids away on holidays etc. so it comes in a close second place.


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[isuzutoo-eh]

You got me there! Where's the vac critically used, i.e. not worried about aircon controls, just the brakes? I haven't delved in to vacuum systems yet...
If the alt isn't turning no worries about the oil feed...

[isuzurover]

You got me there! Where's the vac critically used, i.e. not worried about aircon controls, just the brakes? I haven't delved in to vacuum systems yet...
If the alt isn't turning no worries about the oil feed...

Exactly. Vac assist on the brakes and hvac controls is all you will lose.

[2stroke]

Exactly. Vac assist on the brakes and hvac controls is all you will lose.
I actually broke the pulley end casing in half and the alt ended up sitting in an icecream bucket on the rear floor.In the case of a missing vacuum pump wouldn't you need to connect the oil pressure and drain hoses together so the oil goes to the sump, not the ground?
Don't get me wrong, I love the Isuzu and now that they'll be getting more prolific on the ground a bloke'd be silly not to consider getting one. Only problem is I'd have to subtract the difference in weight from my carrying capacity. I'd be happy enough if I had to go back to the LT95, since I think the R380 would suffer attached to the 4bd1, even in NA form. I can barely hear the radio now over the din of the Maxxis tyres and the Tdi...:)

[2stroke]

Exactly. Vac assist on the brakes and hvac controls is all you will lose.
Oh yair, I could still lock my centre diff.:D
And the Maxidrive, glad I didn't get an Airlocker

[rijidij]

One thing I particularly like about the Isuzu is the lack of electronics.
A mate recently had a fire in the engine bay of his County from a shorted wire on the chassis at the starter which fried all the nearby cables..........solution, completely disconnect the whole electrical system from the batteries, push start (or in his case, roll start down a convenient hill where you happen to be parked :D ) then drive 500kms to Perth and get a sparky to fix it while you enjoy a coffee and cake from the local bakery.............continue your trip after minor inconvenience :D

Cheers, Murray

[isuzurover]

One thing I particularly like about the Isuzu is the lack of electronics.
A mate recently had a fire in the engine bay of his County from a shorted wire on the chassis at the starter which fried all the nearby cables..........solution, completely disconnect the whole electrical system from the batteries, push start (or in his case, roll start down a convenient hill where you happen to be parked :D ) then drive 500kms to Perth and get a sparky to fix it while you enjoy a coffee and cake from the local bakery.............continue your trip after minor inconvenience :D

Cheers, Murray


Likewise, DaveS and I drove a 4BD1 110 from Oregon to Vancover with the starter electrics dead. Including stopping at the Canadian border for inspection.

2stroke - I thought we were talking about failed belts? I can't see why you would need to remove the alternator because a belt failed.

[2stroke]

Nah, failed belt would have been too easy. The only time I've ever had such a catastrophic alternator failure in 30 years of motoring and it happened on the Canning Stock Route. Good old murphy and his law.:angel:
It's really only the TD5 and Pumas that have the electronics and rarely is that a problem.