Do Aussie 2.2 Pumas have a "D.P.F."?

[Pickles2]

I was reading about a "D.P.F."...Diesel Particulate Filter, which is a device apparently fitted to U.K. Pumas, and which can apparently "clog up" & do serious damage, with short running etc?
I was just wondering if this device is fitted to Aussie Pumas.
Cheers, Pickles.

[tuesdayfox]

Not to my my13 110 2.2
Cheers
M

[TimNZ]

My 2013 doesn't either, but at the time of ordering, (March this year), the dealer could not confirm that LR wouldn't change the spec without notice.

Cheers,

Tim

[beefy]

mine does

[BilboBoggles]

mine does

How can you tell it does?

[beefy]

you can see it under the bonnet looks like a big milo tin.

[bemm52]

you can see it under the bonnet looks like a big milo tin.

Any chance of a photo to aid identification

Cheers Paul

[beefy]

in the day light tomorrow

[ericvv]

I went to look at the current Defender specs on the Aussie official Land Rover website.
Interesting to note that in Europe the Puma 2.2 is meeting EU5 emissions and to meet that there has to be a DPF installed. The Puma 2.2 in Europe was never offered meeting EU4 emissions, from the start it was EU5 compliant. (The Puma 2.4 is/was EU4 emissions compliant, and had no DPF)
Now the good news is that the Aussie Puma 2.2 is still showing on your Land Rover website as meeting EU4 emissions, so probably this means no DPF...
See following link and then click on Performance and Weights at the bottom on the left.
Defender 4X4 Station Wagon 90 & 110 Wheelbases. 5 or 7 Seats. | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/defender/explore/station-wagon/)

[Pickles2]

I went to look at the current Defender specs on the Aussie official Land Rover website.
Interesting to note that in Europe the Puma 2.2 is meeting EU5 emissions and to meet that there has to be a DPF installed. The Puma 2.2 in Europe was never offered meeting EU4 emissions, from the start it was EU5 compliant. (The Puma 2.4 is/was EU4 emissions compliant, and had no DPF)
Now the good news is that the Aussie Puma 2.2 is still showing on your Land Rover website as meeting EU4 emissions, so probably this means no DPF...
See following link and then click on Performance and Weights at the bottom on the left.
Defender 4X4 Station Wagon 90 & 110 Wheelbases. 5 or 7 Seats. | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/defender/explore/station-wagon/)
Yes, I did notice that, as I compared specs on the two websites myself. Having said that, the engine photo in the 2013 defender brochure does show a "Milo Tin" just below the exhaust manifold.
Surely someone would have a contact in JLR to give us a definite answer?
Cheers, Pickles.

[ericvv]

Your Land Rover dealer should be able to tell you if down under new Puma are EU4 or EU5 compliant, no? Or am I missing something here?:angel:

What is Aussie legislation these days? EU4 or already EU5?

[ericvv]

Pickles, as i understand your truck is still a few weeks away, you might be in for a surprise, being amongst the first batch in Australia with a Euro5 compliant Defender, i.e. including a DPF.... See below which informs that Euro5 emissions are the norm as of 01 November 2013:(
Vehicle Emission Standards (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/environment/emission/)
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/environment/files/Emission_Limits_for_Light_Vehicles_Euro_2_Euro_6.p df

[BilboBoggles]

you can see it under the bonnet looks like a big milo tin.

That is possibly just a catalytic converter. If fitted, the dpf is in exactly the same can with the catalytic converter, but has wires coming out of it. The wires are for the temperature sensors. My new defender has the same can, but no wires. That same can appears on the td5 too.

[incisor]

why the dpf phobia?

have lived with one for over three years and have concluded that they are only an issue if you never load the engine or dont use an additive like C.E.M's FTC on a regular basis

[JamesB71]

Mines got one. They have been using them in trucks for years. When the light comes on you just gave to take it for a good 20 min run while it does its burn clean cycle. If all your trips are less than 15 mins and this scares you buy a pushbike.

[beefy]

Mines got one. They have been using them in trucks for years. When the light comes on you just gave to take it for a good 20 min run while it does its burn clean cycle. If all your trips are less than 15 mins and this scares you buy a pushbike.

that's the same as me . the salesman said it had one and that was the process. I drive 40 mins to work so havnt had the light come on

[NT5224]

Hi folks

I was under the impression (perhaps incorrect, given comments on this thread) that all Australian 2.2 Pumas were fitted with a DPF.

Could somebody explain why some Aussie 2.2's would have them while others wouldn't? I actually specified that I didn't want a DPF at the time of my order -but to no avail.

It seems as though some of the earlier ones got them (mine's a MY2012), while (according to this thread) some of the 2013 trucks don't.

Interesting to learn EU5 equivalent legislation takes effect next month so I suppose all new vehicles will have DPFs.

I understand the Poms have bludged a DPF 'fix', so when my Puma's out of warranty I'll look into that. Removing the DPF should be legal on a pre Nov 2013 machine, right? Especially given later Pumas have come to Aus without them.

Cheers

Alan

[dawsey]

my 2013 110 has 1, I presume.Its got the light on the dash when I turn the ignition on..and the can behind the heat shield under the manifold..might just be a cat converter..

[isuzurover]

Australia has delayed implementation of Euro 5/6 emissions standards until 2018 (or rather are implementing it gradually). One of the reasons given was that it was "too hard" for AU manufacturers to test vehicles to the particle number specification (which is the reason DPFs are fitted - to reduce particle number concentration).

All diesels however have needed to be fitted with an oxy-cat for a while now.

[TimNZ]

If you have wires coming out of the "bolt" circled in red, you have a DPF. If you don't, well, you don't:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/766.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thmatthews/10419174514/)
DPF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thmatthews/10419174514/) by Tim_Aust (http://www.flickr.com/people/thmatthews/), on Flickr

Cheers,

Tim

[dawsey]

well there you go.now we all know.thanks for the pic. so the the light on the dash is just another land rover quirk.

[isuzurover]

well there you go.now we all know.thanks for the pic. so the the light on the dash is just another land rover quirk.

So I take it none of you have a DPF then? You all just have an oxy-cat?

[dawsey]

So I take it none of you have a DPF then? You all just have an oxy-cat?

well my.. my13 doesn't..december 12 build . on a side note Tim just going through a few of your pics on your flikr link ..thats a big kick ass dog you got there..lol

[TimNZ]

Haha, yep she's mean alright :D She might even get the courage to chase the neighbours cat out of the back yard one day.

[rgty_kmj]

Great. That's sorted that out. (Thanks Tim)

My NZ 2.2 2012 110 doesn't have a DPF either.

This thread Puma de-cat.....done!! [Archive] - 4x4 Community Forum (http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/archive/index.php/t-117870.html) (if you scroll down) says that on the 2.4 engine the 8th letter of the VIN indicated weather the 2.4 engine was EU-3 (T) or EU-4 (S) compliant.

The 8th letter on my VIN is R - does this indicate EU-4 No DPF?

Kerry
Hamilton, NZ

[ozrob]

A while ago there was a engine oil thread for Puma's in regards to engine oils that are suitable for DPF's....seeing that models can be identified if they are fitted without a DPF, can I then use ordinary diesel engine oil that does not meed DPF specifications.
Rimula X and Dello 400 is easier to find that specialist diesel oil.

[Pickles2]

Great. That's sorted that out. (Thanks Tim)

My NZ 2.2 2012 110 doesn't have a DPF either.

This thread Puma de-cat.....done!! [Archive] - 4x4 Community Forum (http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/archive/index.php/t-117870.html) (if you scroll down) says that on the 2.4 engine the 8th letter of the VIN indicated weather the 2.4 engine was EU-3 (T) or EU-4 (S) compliant.

The 8th letter on my VIN is R - does this indicate EU-4 No DPF?

Kerry
Hamilton, NZ
"R"...As is mine.
So is this correct..."R"= Euro 4, so no PDF?
It appears to me, that external appearance, with/without is identical, except for maybe as someone has said, "wires"!
Does anyone have the definitive answer?.....Do we have 'em,....or not?
Cheers, Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Spoke to the workshop manager at ULR today, & he confirmed that a DPF is not fitted to Defender.
Cheers, Pickles.

[voltron]

If you have wires coming out of the "bolt" circled in red, you have a DPF. If you don't, well, you don't:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/766.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thmatthews/10419174514/)
DPF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thmatthews/10419174514/) by Tim_Aust (http://www.flickr.com/people/thmatthews/), on Flickr

Cheers,

Tim
Cool, so I just find out I dont have one. I was a bit worried about all the short trips I make with this on.

Cheers

[dawsey]

Was thinking the same thing myself, I know short runs are not great for diesel engines but unavoidable during the week,,9km round trip to work..gets a good run most weekends though.

[c.h.i.e.f]

The big question is if I was to make the stupid thing vanish altogether would it effect the motor at all ? I've been told it will go into limp mode ?? I would have thought it would free things up a bit although frowned upon by the EPA :angel:

[JamesB71]

So I decided to get to the bottom of mine too. Ive got an R in the vin and no wires so it seems I don't have one.

Land Rover really need to train their staff. The salesman gave me the spiel on what I would have to do re the DPF when I picked it up.

Im not surprised. He couldn't seem to find his arse with both hands...

:mad:

[isuzurover]

So I decided to get to the bottom of mine too. Ive got an R in the vin and no wires so it seems I don't have one.

Land Rover really need to train their staff. The salesman gave me the spiel on what I would have to do re the DPF when I picked it up.

Im not surprised. He couldn't seem to find his arse with both hands...

:mad:


Or it could have been deliberate, to make sure you take it to the dealer for servicing....

Did he say the DPF needs a special engine oil which only the dealer can get???

[Bobsdog]

No DPF on my 110, which was delivered Oct 13. This was confirmed by dealer in Perth.

[51mondays]

If you have wires coming out of the "bolt" circled in red, you have a DPF. If you don't, well, you don't:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/766.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thmatthews/10419174514/)
DPF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thmatthews/10419174514/) by Tim_Aust (http://www.flickr.com/people/thmatthews/), on Flickr

Cheers,

Tim


Thanks for the info

My MY15 defender looks just like in the picture. So I guess they never came to Aus with a DPF (unless it was a last minute add on). The dealer thinks they didn't have a DPF also

[YOLO110]

A problem for DPF cars in Australia is we do not yet have the highly refined ultra low sulphur diesel fuel that is standard in Europe.

Our lower grade diesel fuel here often means there is so much soot produced that it would probably clog a DPF is short order!

[tomatoes4all]

Sorry, but that is a myth!
Since 2009 our Australian diesel contains only 10 ppm sulfur, and so does the European diesel (over there they even call 10 ppm sulfur-free!!).
However, I am happy my 2015 2.2 110 does not have a DPF, they seem quite troublesome (check the UK Defender forum) and having the engine oil diluted by diesel every so often would not help with engine longevity. Cheers, Erik.

[Baytown]

Ive a DPF on my VW Transporter van and it causes no issues at all. No diesel smoke at all, hence the cleanest engine you will ever own. My van has 190,000kms on it with the orriginal DPF still running strong, nil issues. Fuel in Oz (Vortex and BP Ultimate) is a good quality diesel fuel compared to other countries.
Apart from the restriction on upgrading the size of your exhaust pipe for engine tune modifications, a DPF isnt an problem for a diesel that manages to blow (burn) the thing out now and then.
Best wishes.
Ken


A problem for DPF cars in Australia is we do not yet have the highly refined ultra low sulphur diesel fuel that is standard in Europe.

Our lower grade diesel fuel here often means there is so much soot produced that it would probably clog a DPF is short order!

[Dopey]

A big problem with a DPF is the regeneration cycle and the time required to do a burn.
When the light comes on it is recommended to drive the hell out of the vehicle for at least 20-30 minutes at reasonable (highway) speeds with a fair bit of load on the engine, something that is not always possible, due to time constraints or maybe being stuck in heavy traffic in the city or wherever.

They have good and bad sides to them, but I would prefer to not have a DPF on any of my vehicles.

Mike.

[YOLO110]

Good info about Oz diesel!

I feel happy about that!

Many thanks! :>)

[Andrew86]

My dealer gave me a detailed run through of how the DPF works on my 110 I picked up on the weekend. He said if the DPF warning light came on, go for a 30-45 minute drive at 110km/h until the contents ignite and eject from the exhaust.

I can't imagine why he'd go through all of that if the car didn't have one. I'll have to check under the bonnet myself I guess.

[Pickles2]

My dealer gave me a detailed run through of how the DPF works on my 110 I picked up on the weekend. He said if the DPF warning light came on, go for a 30-45 minute drive at 110km/h until the contents ignite and eject from the exhaust.

I can't imagine why he'd go through all of that if the car didn't have one. I'll have to check under the bonnet myself I guess.
If your Defender has a DPF, it'll be the first one I've heard of in Aus,...our engines are Euro 1V,...no DPF.
Pickles.

[Andrew86]

If your Defender has a DPF, it'll be the first one I've heard of in Aus,...our engines are Euro 1V,...no DPF.
Pickles.

Very strange.

[defmec]

My wife's vw polo has a dpf and the light comes on all the time as she only does a short trip to work . 1 month after buying the car the light came on and a day later went into limp mode . I drove it to the stealership and they charged me $200 to do a forced regen cycle :mad: . and told me my wife has to drive it with keeping the revs higher to make sure it burn the soot off .the smell from the exhaust after it regens is rank and makes you feel sick .I fail to see the pros outweighed the cons with a dpf