P38 w/front end damage

[jezza89]

Since owning the classic after my last P38, I have been keeping my eyes peeled on Gumtree etc for the P38 to come back for sale. Last week it came back on, but the guy was asking 3k more than I sold it to him for 2yrs ago.
I contacted him about the car and asked how it had treated him etc, told him I kind of missed the car and asked if he was neg on price - nope!

So this got me thinking again. Then I ended up buying a 2001 P38 at what I feel was the right price considering the damage.

The good and bad:

+ Well maintained, new battery, newish tyres
+ Interior in good nick bar the usual roof lining and a peeling glove box
+ Reasonable/low kms for age (18X XXX)
+ Sound system still works well

- The obvious panel damage
- Has been converted to coils (Bilstein struts), however compressor and valve block are still present
- Small glitch/damage in the air con display

I have already started getting quotes for the repair. First one was $3k, providing I supplied parts; however my family has a few contacts who may be able to do it for a better price.

Once panel is sorted I will be putting this one on gas (sequential injection) as I intended to do with my previous P38.

Will also be putting this one back on air suspension.

All said and done, I'm hoping to have this one all fixed and on gas for less than I sold my last one for.



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[Keithy P38]

Ouch! I'm guessing it was a repairable write-off!

If you can get it all fixed up including that cooler line that looks damaged for 3k, then you've got a bargain and I commend you for keeping another P38 alive!

Keep us posted!

[p38brickus]

I think I saw that one advertised in my search. I like the colour.
There are a few P38's on eBay for sale with issues going cheap. I have the links I think.
Good luck and keep us posted on its progress. :)

[wayneg]

I saw that one for sale, $11,000. They were dreaming. Add up the bits, wing, bumper, bonnet, lamps, inner wing, paint etc etc. Plus no EAS. I offered $1100 but strangely no response. Hope you got it for a good price, looks like a worthwhile proposition

[jezza89]

My cousin has a p38 wreck with most of the front end available... Unfortunately he sold the bumper a few months back!

[p38brickus]

My cousin has a p38 wreck with most of the front end available... Unfortunately he sold the bumper a few months back!

Does he have a back bumper?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Gentlemen,
By all means help one another,,
but no buying/selling in the Forum,, ok?
I've heard PM's are good for that sort of thing,,;)

[jezza89]

This p38 rides terribly.

Whoever thought converting from air suspension was a good idea, is a moron.

Also found some quality workmanship from whoever did the conversion:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/10/87.jpg

[wayneg]

Nuts are very expensive.

[jezza89]

Family friend has quoted aforementioned better price...
Car is booked in for the 11th, gives me a couple of weeks to source the parts.

Also noticed that the blend motor has **** itself, and the temp sensor for the climate control may be on the fritz.

I'm hoping the air suspension only needs new airbags all round?

[jezza89]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showpost.php?p=2019798

See discussion about my rangies in link above

[jezza89]

Looking at a 96 P38 wreck, the airbags only have 2 clips holding them in on the top also.
Maybe the workshop was not as lazy as we thought, but still....

Any recommendations for airbags to go into this? Either standard or up-rated arnotts or something? I will be doing my research soon enough.

Thanks to Gary for the front bumper. Looks like I am still chasing a grill.
I put the replacement bonnet on and it does not latch closed due to the damage to the bulk head front assy, I should have thought of that.
The older bonnet does not have a separate bolt hole for the grounding cable.

[davidsonsm]

There's only one option for airbags. The arnott gen 3's are a significant improvement over the originals. Money well spent.

[Keithy P38]

X 2

They are a more durable rubber as well.

[mtb_gary]

Jeremy

X 3 on the Arnott Gen III's, they made a huge improvement in the ride quality plus the added benefit of more suspension travel.

We do of course want to see pics of the finished product (front bar included ;)) and if you are taking it off the beaten track let me know, if the timing is OK I wouldn't mind joining you. Maybe even get a few of the p38's from around Perth for an outing?

Gary

[jezza89]

Where's the best place to get gen 3's?

[mtb_gary]

Where's the best place to get gen 3's?
If you buy them direct from Arnott's you have a lifetime warranty

Gary

[jezza89]

If you buy them direct from Arnott's you have a lifetime warranty

Gary

$825 + shipping from USA... getting a quote now but that's pretty steep!

Lifetime warranty is pretty good though. Then its only the pump, lines and valve block that needs to be worried about.

Although 2nd gen airbags can be had for about a third of that price...

Decisions, decisions. Though possibly leaning towards gen 3 as I recall my old P38 handled like a bit of a boat

[wayneg]

There is a used set of std airspings on gumtree Perth today. $100

[Keithy P38]

Steep it is. You could get standard bags and be a happy man, or you could get Gen III's and ride satisfied, know that you have a lifetime warranty and solid bags under your Rangie!

Cheers
Keithy

[jezza89]

Needing help with the HEVAC. It clearly has a problem with the blend motors, as the airflow is not changing vents when manually operated.
Normally I would expect a checkbook symbol, however half the HEVAC is not illuminated and the temp digits on the drivers side are only half visible/half the digit is missing.

Is this a job that needs a new HEVAC display, or could I get away with replacing a few backlights?


edit - my LCD looks like this one. Hoping it is a simple fix like the silicone in this thread http://www.rangerovers.net/forum/7-range-rover-mark-ii-p38/20591-climate-control-fix-pictures.html

[davidsonsm]

I would try replacing the globes first of all. You can buy a replacement set on eBay. But they are available locally if you take one in to burson or similar, they should be able to help. Recall I got mine from online bulb supplier. I'll see if I can dig out the specs.

[mtb_gary]

Jeremy

You're going to have to take the control unit out regardless of whether it is fixable. Take it out, check the connectors ( or silicone strips as your link suggested) and if required change the lamps. If all else fails then get yourself another control unit.

Good luck with the project

Gary

[intheozone]

X4 on the Gen III's made my p38 handle so much better on road and off. For $900 or so delivery was just 5 days direct from Arnotts

[intheozone]

Plus all you Perth guys we should do a p38 trip some time.

[jezza89]

Regarding the Gen IIIs ;


Thank you for your interest in Arnott Air Suspension, here is the quote you requested:

A-2217 and A-2216
$425.99 + $399.00 + $227.28 Shipping (UPS 3-5 days), this does not include duty or custom fees.


$1052 plus custom fees as it is over $1k...

[benji]

Regarding the hevac screen, its quite a simple job. I just trimmed down some rubber stripping and glued it on the silicon piece. Worked a treat.

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[mtb_gary]

Get your Arnotts in 2 orders, that way you'll avoid the GST. You've just got to make sure you keep below $1,000 including shipping.

Gary

[jezza89]

There's a new pair for sale on gumtree, will see what model they are and if they are neg

[33chinacars]

. You've just got to make sure you keep below $1,000 including shipping.

Gary

Pretty sure you will find that the limit is $1000 NOT including shipping before GST & duty is charged

Gary

[mtb_gary]

Pretty sure you will find that the limit is $1000 NOT including shipping before GST & duty is charged

Gary

Thanks 33chinacars, I've just checked on the Aus Govt site and no mention of including freight. I wish the same was true when I was importing boats from the USA. All calculations were done including shipping for import duty and every other tax and charge they could think of :(. For a while there, even with the additional charges it was still well worth it with what you could sell them for over here.

Gary

[mtb_gary]

There's a new pair for sale on gumtree, will see what model they are and if they are neg

Jeremy

Looking at the picture they are the Gen 2's.

Gary

[mtb_gary]

Jeremy

There is a complete p38 (2000 model) in Clarkson that has engine not running advertised on Gumtree for $2000. I've not seen it or spoken with the owner but it could finish up as a good parts donor for you.

Gary

[jezza89]

Jeremy

There is a complete p38 (2000 model) in Clarkson that has engine not running advertised on Gumtree for $2000. I've not seen it or spoken with the owner but it could finish up as a good parts donor for you.

Gary

Yes I saw that one, my cousin and I are considering it haha.
From the pics it looks to be an early model with the orange lights etc

[Keithy P38]

Could still be a '00 with orange lights - mine was!

[Scouse]

Could still be a '00 with orange lights - mine was!Only if it's been swapped out with earlier lights.
99s had orange, 00s had white.

[Keithy P38]

Who in their right mind would do that :-O yeah my '00 Rangie (my previous one) was fitted with the coloured lenses and non blacked-out headlights. It was a 08/2000 model.

[wayneg]

Yes I saw that one, my cousin and I are considering it haha.
From the pics it looks to be an early model with the orange lights etc

I have been enquiring about that car since it appeared. The lady owner is away and does not know to much about it. From what she has explained its a 4.0 Gems so early 99 at best. Car has overheated and been diagnosed with Slipped liner (s). She is getting back to me with more info once back in Perth.

On a slightly different note the Black / Red one rescued from the Freeway is now all running well, Re -conned Heads, Rad, Water pump etc and much time thanks to peterjam

[jezza89]

I have been enquiring about that car since it appeared. The lady owner is away and does not know to much about it. From what she has explained its a 4.0 Gems so early 99 at best. Car has overheated and been diagnosed with Slipped liner (s). She is getting back to me with more info once back in Perth.

Did you buy it? She got back to me this evening to say it had gone

[wayneg]

No, I was under the impression that she was away and not back till tomorrow.
I needed to find out more before any decision. Lets hope the buyer gets it back on the road and not break it for parts.

[mtb_gary]

I see there's another p38 on Gumtree with a blown motor. $3500 this time.

What's with all the blown motors?

Gary

[jezza89]

I see there's another p38 on Gumtree with a blown motor. $3500 this time.

What's with all the blown motors?

Gary

Summer is starting, and I bet those cars had not had their cooling system etc serviced....

[jezza89]

Ok, the car is almost out of the panel shop.

Have some bits on order from Britcar.


Still looking for the following:
Front grille - AWR1617 ($85.36 plus postage from UK)
Air cleaner housing ESR2948 ($237.68 plus postage from UK)

Hoping to find them a bit cheaper than this, possibly locally, as the above prices are before postage. Also I can do without them for now, as my current broken bits will still fit, but long term I would like to have them replaced.

Would anyone have anything or suggest any places to try for a decent second hand part or something?

[benji]

I bought an air cleaner housing from amv in Ringwood, second hand a lot cheaper than that.

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[davidsonsm]

I've seen heaps of air filter boxes 2nd hand on ebay from breakers. Nothing special about the plastic box - providing you get the right one.

The grill sounds a good price. There's plenty of "blinged" up grills around if that's what you fancy. Once again, there are many 2nd hand one's - but they tend to have the bottom strip colour coded.

I tend to log on to ebay as a UK or USA user. It throws up lots more P38 options.

[mtb_gary]

Jeremy

AMV have an air filter housing on ebay for $98 with free delivery. I'm pretty sure Linnrover also have an air filter housing at the moment although I'm not sure on the price.

Gary

[jezza89]

Jeremy

AMV have an air filter housing on ebay for $98 with free delivery. I'm pretty sure Linnrover also have an air filter housing at the moment although I'm not sure on the price.

Gary

Have checked it out, seems reasonable. Will wait until I have the car back before I order, just to confirm it is the right one.

I have called Linn Rover about the parts, they will be getting back to me. Will see how they compare!

[jezza89]

Got the P38 back on friday. Will pop some photos up when it comes out my garage next.
Replaced the ABS accumulator while it was parked outside the panel shop.
Such an easy job, makes a lot of difference in the braking department too. Lucky I did, because I got cut off twice on the way home.

She's got the early orange front indicators and I think the headlights don't match either, but I will replace them with later model offerings if the opportunity presents itself.

The suspension is still terrible, the springs in it are too high and too hard for my liking. Was thinking of putting gen2 air springs in cheaply(>$300) and make sure everything else in the system works before shelling out $1000+ for some gen3's. Thanks Wayne for the link. Not sure, but I may need new shocks too? The Bilstein ones in there might be to suit the heightened springs...I will need to investigate.
The dash needs to be pulled out to fix the HEVAC display, dash lighting and blend motors. Then the filter at the bottom of the windscreen needs to be replaced as it is broken and full of debris.
The steering wheel isn't centered, maybe as a result of the collision, but I need to get on top of that also.
Still need the grille and air cleaner box as Linn Rover did not have any.

Certainly have my work cut out for me, but if a 2001 P38 is worth up to $14-15k, I've only spent about half that so far to get to where I am :) That's what I'll keep telling the missus anyway! :p

[wayneg]

Check Rave for centralising the steering wheel. There is a specific and easy way to do it. Good to hear the car is back on the road.

[jezza89]

Pulled the car out today to investigate a couple of issues.

Initial diagnosis indicates that both the blend motors and distribution servo have had it. The fans are stuck on defrost, and even when I select 'HI' on the display, it still blows out icy cold air.
Looking at parts sources online, it looks like I am up for at least $312 for a new set of motors/servos, which I suppose isn't all that bad.

Also plaguing the car is a door/unlock unlock issue. The car sometimes seems to have a mind of it's own and goes nuts locking and unlocking itself. Have done a bit of reading, and it seems like the door actuators like to play up. I've gone to town on them with CRC/WD40, it seemed to stop the issue, will see how it pans out.

Looking closer at the suspension set up, it has King Spring KRFS-01 and Bilstein heavy duty series shocks B46-2214-H0
From the looks of things, both are standard fitment items, so I should be able to use the Bilsteins with standard air springs.

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[davidsonsm]

Never seen a p38 with yellow indicator lenses on the front and clear on the rear. What's that all about. Stranger than strange. Come on man. Sort it out. :D

[jezza89]

Never seen a p38 with yellow indicator lenses on the front and clear on the rear. What's that all about. Stranger than strange. Come on man. Sort it out. :D

Haha yes it bugs me as well!

The orange lenses went on for free. I have a driver's side clear indicator - once I get a passenger side one, the ancient orange ones will come back off :p

I also put on an early model headlight. Now that they are on the car I can notice a bit of a difference between the headlights. Will fix that too, one day!

[jezza89]

Have also been reconsidering the Gen3 bags over the Gen2.

Arnott seem to be too expensive and too far away etc in the event I was to cash in on their warranty.
$1052 AUD incl postage, plus custom fees or extra postage if sent in 2 packages.
https://www.arnottindustries.com/part_LAND_ROVER_yid4_pid22.html


Have found a couple of ebay sellers with cheaper sets of gen 3s. Can anybody comment on these?

$796 AUD incl postage. Standard 1yr warranty.
Range Rover GEN 3 Suspension 2 Front 2 Rear AIR Spring BAG | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Range-Rover-Gen-3-Suspension-2-Front-2-Rear-Air-Spring-Bag-/271241290499?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f273da303&_uhb=1)


$620 AUD incl postage. Standard 1yr warranty, with extended & lifetime warranties available for additional cost
Land Rover Range Rover Complete AIR Suspension BAG Spring SET Upgraded 3rd GEN | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Land-Rover-Range-Rover-Complete-Air-Suspension-Bag-Spring-Set-Upgraded-3rd-Gen-/200987587190?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ecbcb3276&_uhb=1)

[wayneg]

The price difference is Genuine to copies, Take your choice.

[benji]

I had a good run out of westar bags on my classic. A direct ripoff of Arnott's design, but they proved to be very strong.

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[jezza89]

Arnotts lifetime warranty is only for US customers... The rest of the world gets a 2yr maximum.

Might just go with the copies!

Hurry up holiday, I've got stuff to buy when I get back :p

[wayneg]

I ordered a set from the link I sent you as soon as I picked up the recent purchase.

[jezza89]

I ordered a set from the link I sent you as soon as I picked up the recent purchase.

Maybe I'll order a set of gen 3 from them and we can compare on a p38 trip

[jezza89]

After all this, and my grand plans, I may need to sell the P38 :(

Buying new property and consolidating current mortgages, and the Mrs doesn't approve of me keeping so many cars. My ownership of this car has been short lived, and it will pain me to see it go...

Will be keeping the classic for workhorse and offroad duties, but I cannot justify the expense of the P38 for the moment. Will no doubt be back in one again though!

Thanks to those who have provided assistance with parts and tips in the short term.

[jezza89]

Have worked something out so I can keep the p38 (unless a buyer comes along offering the right price haha)

Will slowly fix the issues (blend motors, air suspension, headlining) but probably only drive the car once or twice a week.

Can anyone recommend some good leather care products for the interior? My last p38 cracked up, although that was always parked in sun.

[wayneg]

There is a seller on e-bay selling the foam backed headlining material for $15 a mtr plus 14 to ship to WA. I will be doing mine very soon, cant be that hard. As for leather care just get into Bunnings and get any cheap leather conditioner. Get that done ASAP, I did mine the day after I picked the new car up and again a few days after. Clean the leather when needed with Dove triple moisturising body cream wash.
Good to hear you will possibly be keeping up with the project.

[Crosbo]

I've tried several different leather conditioners on our Mercedes, BMW's and more recently on our Jag and LR's. I prefer the Zymol leather care stuff or when I can get my hands on it, the Connolly Hide Care treatment. Goes on nice, absorbs well and the leather appears to love it.