Question: ARB bar + winch - HD or standard front springs?

[FeatherWeightDriver]

A question for the wise... ;)

I'm looking to finish specing out my new 110 (hooray!) and given I plan to put an ARB steel bar and winch on the front of it basically from day 1.

I guess that's adding 100kg to 130kg on the nose for bar and winch, and some folks reckon the ARB bar give a saggy front end after a while.

So should I get HD springs up front or stick with the standard ones? If I go HD what will that do to the handling / ride?

Thoughts / experiences all greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance...
FWD

[Drover]

I put on an ARB bar, 12000lb winch with 30m of steel cable.

At the time I also fitted a set of 50mm Emu springs.

End result was only 30mm over stock height.

If you going ahead with bar & winch, use Dynema rope instead of cable and save about 10kg's

Winch was about 45kg's bar about 50kg's.

[Cammo]

My 130 has HD springs - you don't get a choice with a 130.
It has the new style ARB bar (sits in close and wraps around the sides) and a 12000lb warn with steel cable hanging off it. My front end still sits higher than my old mans 110 - he has same bar but no winch, and no HD springs. His 110 has only travelled 8000 kms more than my 130 - both 2011 pumas.

I haven't noticed any sagging. I run my truck hard and it handles beautifully.

I would fit them - at least in the front. Even the old mans 110 is a bit rough in the rear end when unladen.

Hope that helps

[Xtreme]

Fit the standard 130 front springs in your 110. For the Td5 - and possibly the Puma - they are the recommended HD springs for the 110.

I've used them in both my Tdi and Td5 with standard rear springs and have no complaints with the results.

[justinc]

Fit the standard 130 front springs in your 110. For the Td5 - and possibly the Puma - they are the recommended HD springs for the 110.

I've used them in both my Tdi and Td5 with standard rear springs and have no complaints with the results.

^ this is our standard all encompassing upgrade. part numbers are NRC9448 AND NRC9449. there is no need to change shocks as puma run very good quality gas from factory.

jc

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Thanks all - another piece of the jigsaw falls in to place :)

[Samblers]

I am also about to do this using the genuine LR heavy duty 110 (Std 130) springs

[RVR110]

On my last 110 Puma I added an ARB bar and a 12,000lb winch with steel rope. In a line up of 110s on a forum trip I found I had the lowest front end of about 10 cars.

I measured the front bump stops and found that the extra weight (> 100Kg) had caused the front to sag below the factory tolerences so I got my dealer to install heavy duty (genuine) springs. This increased the bump stop gap by 45mm. I was very happy with this setup for the front end and the dealer was happy (ie no warranty issues) because the springs were genuine.

On my new 110 I had the same thing done, although this time I also got the HD springs (helper springs) in the back as well. I did this because the back would ride a bit low when fully loaded for touring. However that has resulted in the back end being great for touring but extremely harsh the rest of the time. Either it was a mistake or I need to do more touring... Hmmm...

[FeatherWeightDriver]

On my new 110 I had the same thing done, although this time I also got the HD springs (helper springs) in the back as well. I did this because the back would ride a bit low when fully loaded for touring. However that has resulted in the back end being great for touring but extremely harsh the rest of the time. Either it was a mistake or I need to do more touring... Hmmm...

Is that even a question? Think of it as a motivator - clearly more touring! ;)

My current plan for rear end support (!) if needed is polyairs (or similar), as my work and non-touring play won't see it heavily enough loaded for enough of the time to warrant the harsher ride.

Until I chuck in my job and go for the long lap :angel:

[defender_i_hardly_know_er]

What if I'm only interested in fitting the bar and no winch, are upgraded springs still required? If so, what do most fit?

I've got a puma 90.

[n plus one]

What if I'm only interested in fitting the bar and no winch, are upgraded springs still required? If so, what do most fit?

I've got a puma 90.

You'll get away with the stock springs (a little low and soft but still acceptable) I'd even suggest that the HD springs will increase height to the extent that a DC front shaft may be needed.