Pirelli Scorpion Atr

[DJC]

Hi Guys

Haven't seen any recent posts but are these still flavour of the month and if so will either the 255 or 265 fit - any advantages of one over the other?

Have been quoted 440 each in Perth - is that about on the money?

Cheers
Darren

[gghaggis]

They're a good all-round tyre, but depending on what vehicle you have and what you intend to do with it, there might be better value tyres for your use.

Cheers,

Gordon

[4evershiva]

had them fitted 3 months back....really quite on highways and performs good on sand and rock. perform average on mud, haven't been bogged yet but they do fine. Overall a nice set to combine daily driving and off road at times.

[WhiteD3]

I had them (255/60R18) on the D3 and D4 and found them to be a good all around tyre.

[Ean Austral]

Hi Guys

Haven't seen any recent posts but are these still flavour of the month and if so will either the 255 or 265 fit - any advantages of one over the other?

Have been quoted 440 each in Perth - is that about on the money?

Cheers
Darren

255 60 18 on ebay $265 per tyre with $55 each freight to perth, so $320 a tyre delivered Perth, sure someone will fit them for less than $120 each.

This will be my next tyre, as we dont do much serious off road, so think they will suit us perfect.

$440 each is a bit rich from what I see,

Cheers Ean

[IndusD4]

I paid $290 a tyre fitted in Sydney a couple of months ago, 440 seems steep.

[DJC]

Thanks - will be mainly used for highway and a bit of sand so don't need anything too aggressive, just something fairly quiet and half decent longevity. I had them on my patrol and was pretty happy but that was 5 or 6 years ago.

Tirerack.com have them at a similar price to ebay so just checking their freight costs. Could be well worth importing providing I can get someone to fit them - I doubt the brand tyre places will be too interested - anyone know somewhere NOR in Perth that would do it?

$290 in Sydney is an amazing price - nowhere in Perth can get near that - have managed to get a measly $20 off through shopping around!!

Have also heard good things about the Cooper ATR3 so may look at them as well. Have had the straight ATRs in the past and had 80k out of them, but not great cornering in the wet!

Cheers
Darren

[PeterOZ]

about 18 months max is all I get out of my Scorpions. Just highway work and not flogging it either.

They are good handling tyre though.

[BDB]

I used them over 15,000 the only problem was she I plugged the iPad in instead of the Inawise pressure monitors and got a puncture and marked the side wall so ditched the tyre.

Found a zeon in brromm for 19 inch and itawas awesome but managed to shrewd the read mud flap on the Tanami with rock flicking.

I will get the GEO rims and Cooper LTZ soon.

BDB

[chuck]

Has anyone had the Scorpions fitted in 19".

If so what is the feedback?

They are on ebay for less than $300.00

Anyone got any photos.

[Disco4SE]

Has anyone had the Scorpions fitted in 19".

If so what is the feedback?

They are on ebay for less than $300.00

Anyone got any photos.
Yeah, I did Chuck. Before I purchased Gordons 18" rims.
Found them great on road and quiet. Quite good off road.....better than the tread suggest.
Here's a pic.......
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/disco4se-albums-my+disco+4-picture4754-pc071242.jpg

Cheers, Craig

[Rocket00]

I am now on my third set of Pirelli Scorpion 255/55-19. I had 2 sets on my FFRR TDV8 (got about 60k out of the first set before they started to get quite noisy somewhat like a wheel bearing) due to the tread thinning. I am sure I would have got at least 75k out of them if I could stand the increase in noise. Sold the car with a replacement set. I am now driving a D4 SDV6 and had the dealer fit the Pirelli's to that car they are a very good on-road tyre (far better than Cooper ATR in the wet), I have used them off-road without issue including sand driving on the beach in Robe, they were very good in that environment. Have ordered GOE 18" for the D4 and after lots of research will go with D697's as we plan to do more off-road work. Good luck with your choice, if you are mainly using the car on-road the Pirelli's are the pick in my opinion, if however you are using it more off-road I would suggest the D697's.I have attached a couple of photo's for your information.

[jammers]

What bullbar do you have on your car. Like the look. Noticed piccy on the scorpion thread.

[Rocket00]

Jammers

It is an Opposite Lock Bar which I had colour coded to the car, I have fitted a Warn 10k Winch and Lightforce 170 Striker Lights. The bar includes the Fog-lamps and has 4 LED running lights standard, my D4 is an HSE and I have no problems with the Park Sensors with the bar fitted.
Regards
Rod

[chuck]

Rocket

Which OL dealer fitted your bar & are you happy with the fit & finish?

[Rocket00]

Chuck

Fitted by OL in Dandenong. The Bar is very good, the fitting was about 80% and I had to take it back, primarily for the passenger side wheel liner. They hadn't finished that very well (essentially problems with the washer reservoir which I suspected would be an issue). Second time around they fashioned a bracket to mount he liner and all is good.

They have done a few D4's and they stated the main issue had been the gap between the bar and the flair, I found it acceptable and they added some additional trim which was good. They stated that previous owners had experienced the bar and flair contacting each other when off road because of body movement as apposed to chassis movement with a small gap (seemed to make sense to me) and the flair had been damaged.

I have a photo of the final finish on my photo library.

Regards

[Celtoid]

Hey Mate,


I've have Scorpions fitted to my car for a few years now.


Overall great and as reported much better off-road than their look would suggest.


However, I had a scary aquaplane incident with them and a few others on this site have had the same. I'm still running them but would be less inclined to let them wear too far.


It may have just been bad circumstances. Worth asking a few more questions.


I had been paying close to $500 for them (lots of dealers) but found a place in Brisbane that sells them for less than $300 fitted.


Cheers,


Kev.

[alpick]

LT 245/70/r17. $305. @. Fitted. Jax. (LT. Is abit more expensive but worth it)

[LGM]

So Pirellis' 255/55/19 ATR's it is!

Now that decision has been made, where to purchase same. Much phoning around and the best I could get in Perth was $500+ per tyre. Given that I wanted 6 (including one for my second spare) I was up for $3k.

Ouch!:( Hold up the local TAB maybe???:twisted:

Let's check out the web instead. So into the ether I dive and find the tyres that I am looking for are on special with a Sydney based 'On Line' firm. What's more they provide freight free transport to Perth or anywhere else in Australia according to their add. That fact along with the price of $200.00 less per tyre certainly got my focus.

There I sat thinking if its too good to be true, then it probably isn't true.

So I ring the local tyre firms that they list as agents and ask a few questions and get all the right response's. Still I am not convinced maybe the tyres are grey imports or Chinese knock offs?

Oh well nothing ventured nothing gained so I order the tyres.

They were fitted yesterday by a reputable tyre retailer in Perth that acts as a local agent for the Sydney based firm.

All up the cost, including fitting, balance and fee for tyre disposal was just on $2k a substantial $1k difference, which, from my perspective is better in my pocket than someone else's.

Call me a skeptical person but I still have a slight nagging feeling. This is despite my checks that show (as far as possible) that I wasn't being had.

I guess the proof of that will be 50,000+ kms down the track.

Anyhow the 400km trip home was a pleasurable drive with good road holding and little to no road noise.

[discotwinturbo]

LGM,

Just WA fleecing and gouging....our fellow west Aussies fleece Aussies at a slightly higher rate than the east in most respects.

My tyres $360 each fitted...next best price was $480, and up from there.

My sister is in the tyre game in the east....and I know their mark up. My tyres cost my guy $250 each.

WA will keep charging higher, if the consumer continues to pay it.

I work with businesses, I am in business, and my uncle is known across Australia and the world with business coaching and marketing....I know how they can do it without fleecing, and make more.

I would let those that quoted you know that they missed out, and for this reason.

Brett...

[Celtoid]

So Pirellis' 255/55/19 ATR's it is!

Now that decision has been made, where to purchase same. Much phoning around and the best I could get in Perth was $500+ per tyre. Given that I wanted 6 (including one for my second spare) I was up for $3k.

Ouch!:( Hold up the local TAB maybe???:twisted:

Let's check out the web instead. So into the ether I dive and find the tyres that I am looking for are on special with a Sydney based 'On Line' firm. What's more they provide freight free transport to Perth or anywhere else in Australia according to their add. That fact along with the price of $200.00 less per tyre certainly got my focus.

There I sat thinking if its too good to be true, then it probably isn't true.

So I ring the local tyre firms that they list as agents and ask a few questions and get all the right response's. Still I am not convinced maybe the tyres are grey imports or Chinese knock offs?

Oh well nothing ventured nothing gained so I order the tyres.

They were fitted yesterday by a reputable tyre retailer in Perth that acts as a local agent for the Sydney based firm.

All up the cost, including fitting, balance and fee for tyre disposal was just on $2k a substantial $1k difference, which, from my perspective is better in my pocket than someone else's.

Call me a skeptical person but I still have a slight nagging feeling. This is despite my checks that show (as far as possible) that I wasn't being had.

I guess the proof of that will be 50,000+ kms down the track.

Anyhow the 400km trip home was a pleasurable drive with good road holding and little to no road noise.


Mate,


As stated earlier, regardless of where I went in Brisbane (Bob Jane, independents, ETC), the tyres were always ~$500.


I stumbled apon a place in Archerfield who quoted me something like $280 fitted. I thought he had the wrong tyre.


After a bit of careful prodding, as I didn't want to tip him off on how cheap he was selling them, I found the reason to be the local Pirelli distributor adding a massive mark-up.


The new guy uses a Sydney importer/distributer for all his tyres and I'm assuming they import direct from Pirelli, thus cutting out another set of hands and 'wraps' (mark-ups).


You'll probably find your scenario was similar to mine and the tyres will be genuine.


Cheers,


Kev.

[LGM]

Thanks Brett and Kev.

I am feeling better about my decision post by post:cool:

[ctgiles84]

Cooper HT - plus 265/60 18 just fitted today to my D3. Will see how they go.

[JPI]

Has anyone had the Scorpions fitted in 19".

If so what is the feedback?

They are on ebay for less than $300.00

Anyone got any photos.

I have the 19" ATR's as Cooper didn't do a 19" when it was time to replace the OEM Wranglers on my D4. They have worn very well and the car handles beautifully. Its much quieter than the Coopers I had on my D3, but they don't have as deep a tread pattern so probably wont last quite as long. I would recommend them if you want a great road tyre with good occasional off-road capability.

[Drizzle]

Hi Guys

Haven't seen any recent posts but are these still flavour of the month and if so will either the 255 or 265 fit - any advantages of one over the other?

Have been quoted 440 each in Perth - is that about on the money?

Cheers
Darren

They're currently on sale for $122ea in the USA.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp'tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=Scorpion+ATR&partnum=66HR8SCORATROWL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

Don't you just love the "Oz Tax"!

[lpj]

Hi Guys

Haven't seen any recent posts but are these still flavour of the month and if so will either the 255 or 265 fit - any advantages of one over the other?

Have been quoted 440 each in Perth - is that about on the money?

Cheers
Darren

Sounds about right. I'm getting a set of 255 55 19's fitted tomorrow in Melbourne for $440. They are including a full alignment. I had another quote for $435 but these guys have more experience with D4's- or so I am lead to believe.

I rang around yesterday and quotes as high as 480 and 520.

Now...Just trying to find that thread that talks about pulling the fuse instead of using TTM.

Luke

[lpj]

They're currently on sale for $122ea in the USA.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp'tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=Scorpion+ATR&partnum=66HR8SCORATROWL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

Don't you just love the "Oz Tax"!

Damn! You had me excited- but alas, they are 18's.
Size: P265/60R18

[LGM]

I have had and lived with the Pirelli ATR tyres for a smidgen over 9 months and travelled just over 30,000km in this time and this is my view of these tyres and their performance.

Most of if not nearly all my km's are country travelling with the odd trip to the big smoke to confirm my reasons for not living there. ;) I have also punted these tyres around the inland Murchison area of WA towing my 1.5t camper trailer over some very ordinary tracks.:)

I rotated my tyres yesterday and took the opportunity to take stock, carrying out measurements and looking over the tyres in detail. As things have turned out I am glad I did as it looks to me like I am up for a wheel alignment due to some uneven wear on the Left Front tyre. It seems to be wearing at a faster rate overall but especially towards the outer edge. This will be the vehicles first wheel alignment since its purchase in September 2011.

The Pirelli tyres from new had a tread depth of 10mm and given that the condemn limit is 2mm you have 8mm of useful tread. The measurements taken yesterday show that I have the following remaining tread depth:

2 x tyres at 7mm
1 x tyre at 6mm
1 x tyre at 5mm
1 x tyre at 4.5mm

:confused:

The tyres have been rotated, 5 way, at around the 10,000km. So this was their third rotation. I check the tyre pressures once a week (O.K. I might have missed out on pressure check). I have been running these the tyres at the 'placard' pressure and have not noticed any real loss of pressure between checks.

This wear rate when averaged is 4.1mm overall which equals roughly 7350km per mm of wear. Given an even wear rate I would expect approximately another 28,000km before reaching the condemn limit. This would mean a total of 58,000km from these tyres!

However as you can see the tyres are not wearing evenly. It has also been my experience that tyres seem to wear faster towards the end of their life. Given these two comments I am estimating around half the calculated km's remaining as somewhat more realistic life.

This will mean that another 14,000km should be achievable. So say 44,000 km for these tyres overall. Not as much as I expected i.e. 50,000 would have been nice!

Tyre performance is the other subject I want to comment on. Remembering that we all drive our vehicles differently and have met with many different circumstances that will colour our view on how the tyres stand up to the rigours we subject them too.

Road noise is great in that there is very little! In the dry weather these tyres they are great and inspire confidence. In the wet it is another story!

Where I live we don't see many wet days per year and when we do get rain we tend to get a reasonable drop, that is, we don't tend to get drizzle that leads to very slippery conditions. That said and remembering that most of my km's are highway km's at 110km/h or around that mark, I have had a couple of 'Oh Crap' events where I felt the vehicle was not sticking to the road as it should.

I reckon I have been close to a couple of wet weather 'let go's' as I ever want to get. I have only experienced this issue with these particular tyres on this vehicle. That is not to say it is all the fault of the tyres as the road conditions do vary and heaven forbid I am not as good as The Stig!

None the less I am certainly cautious with these tyres in wet weather.

On looking at the tread of the tyres the outer or edge elements or blocks of the tyres are substantially less in depth of their groves (from new) than that of the main or centre tread area. These groves would, in my view, be those that allow water to escape via the edge of the tyre. At this point in the tyre wear they are almost non existent. I am no tyre design expert but I sure am an expert tyre user and I think this must have some bearing on their wet weather performance.

So there you have it, my personal view of the Pirelli ATR thus far.

It is fair to say I am not unhappy with these tyres but I won't being looking for another set this time around.:angel:

Please note my comparisons of the Pirelli tyres on this vehicle are made against the original Continental Cross Contact 4x4's that were on the vehicle from new and then the Cooper LTZ's that were my second set of tyres.

Anyhow these search for some new rubber will commence shortly! Maybe I will try the Hankooks next.

[shorty]

I have the Pirelli Scorpions on my D3 (18 inch) and have about 25,000kms on them.

As always tyre opinions are highly subjective but my views on the tyre are very positive for general highway and city driving. Quiet and wearing well. I have driven a few other D3's on other brand tyres and they were all noisier to my ears.

If highway was all I was doing I wouldn't hesitate to get another set. Throw in some off-roading and touring though and I would lean toward the Bridgestone D697's or Mickey Thompson STZ's.

Cheers,

Matt

[NavyDiver]

Thanks - will be mainly used for highway and a bit of sand so don't need anything too aggressive, just something fairly quiet and half decent longevity. I had them on my patrol and was pretty happy but that was 5 or 6 years ago.

Tirerack.com have them at a similar price to ebay so just checking their freight costs. Could be well worth importing providing I can get someone to fit them - I doubt the brand tyre places will be too interested - anyone know somewhere NOR in Perth that would do it?

$290 in Sydney is an amazing price - nowhere in Perth can get near that - have managed to get a measly $20 off through shopping around!!

Have also heard good things about the Cooper ATR3 so may look at them as well. Have had the straight ATRs in the past and had 80k out of them, but not great cornering in the wet!

Cheers
Darren

Hi Darren. I blew a General Grabber and had another almost roadworthy due to a nice long drive and wheel alignment in QLD over Xmas. Could not find an GGs within several hundred km so put 4 new Pirelli Scorpions on my D3 (18 inch). Much quieter than the General Grabbers. Cost was more than the Sydney or tyre rack price - DOH
I think the Pirelli are fine on road and on Sand they should be fine with pressures down. I put 17inch MTs on for the mud or mountains here. Only about 3000km on them so cannot comment about tyre life

[games1]

Hi LGM. Totally agree with your assessment. We have done approx. 30,000 km on our current set being a mixture of town, country and dirt roads. Have found them satisfactory in these conditions however like yourself have had a number of 'frights' in wet conditions on tarmac. On each occasion saved by the electronics, actually the only time I have heard or felt them on tarmac. Agree I will also be doing some more research before fitting new boots.

[VCarr]

Well into my second set of Scorpions 255/55/R19 and am very happy with them on my D4 towing a 3t off-road van. They are good on sealed and equally so on gravel and so on, including sharp stones & rocks. I have become very confident in them on unmade or rough roads with suitable pressures and speed. Changed over my last set at 50,000k. would have been OK for sealed but I wanted more tread for an extended trip on unsealed.
Vincent

[90 Rangie]

ATR's have great dry grip and very quiet but have also just had a very scary moment in the wet with 3 ton van on back at 100km/h. So will look to replace them soon. Also have never been happy with ride of car after fitting them.

[LGM]

In my last 'little' ramble I talked about my experience with the Pirelli ATR (255/55/19) tyres and indicated that I could potentially get another 14000km's off them prior to replacement. Well the 'R' day has come and I am going to shed the ATR's for some Hankook ATM's and give them a go. I measured the tyre tread depths on the Pirelli's this morning and the following is the outcome:

RR 3.5mm
LR 4.0mm
RF 3.5mm
LF 4.0mm

Given the condemn limit of 2mm I am as close as I want to get.

The total km achieved on these tyres at replacement today will be approx. 43,400 which is a bit less than I had hoped for. My comments in my previous post re performance of these tyres still stands true and in fact in the wet (we have had a bit of rain) if anything they have gotten a little worse as the tread depth faded. I guess that is only to be expected.

Of interest in my casting around for tyre prices I have managed to arrange the Hankooks to be supplied and fitted in my local regional centre for less than that quoted by two other tyre dealers in Perth!:D

Note: My regional centre of Geraldton is roughly 400km from Perth and the locals don't miss you on the freight costs.

Go figure that one out!:confused:

[Learner]

Now I'm really going to show my age. :(

IIRC, the minimum tread depth for tyres was 1.6mm (1/16"). Has this changed? If not, you have a min. of 1.9 tread left.

I do realise, however, that a no. of people say that the performance of ATRs deteriorates with wear.

[RoverLander]

I have posted this before somewhere but after 2 sets of Pirelli ATRs and the worst wet weather experience in 35 years of motoring I now wont use them. Driving on a highway at 90Kh with no steering is not what I want to experience again.


I am now onto my 3rd set of Hankook DynaPro ATM. I specified them as the only tyre I would have on the car when I recently purchased a new My15 Discovery. They wear well, are quite, are cheaper (I would buy them if they were more expensive than the Pirelli) and they hang on better in the wet.


We towed a 3.5 tone caravan around Australia with them without one puncture.


Peter

[LGM]

Hi Learner,

Wot is this 1/16" thing you talk off?

The official minimum tyre depth in WA is 1.5mm.

That said measuring 0.5 increments of a mm when you are roadside, in the rain and at night discussing the fitness or otherwise of your tyres with the local constabulary is not something I want to contemplate hence I choose to use 2mm as the minimum.:p i.e. I have some margin for error.

Anyhow the new tyres are on the D4 and all is good again!

[shanegtr]

That said measuring 0.5 increments of a mm when you are roadside, in the rain and at night discussing the fitness or otherwise of your tyres with the local constabulary is not something I want to contemplate hence I choose to use 2mm as the minimum.
That's what the wear indicators moulded into the tread are for :p

[BMKal]

Of interest in my casting around for tyre prices I have managed to arrange the Hankooks to be supplied and fitted in my local regional centre for less than that quoted by two other tyre dealers in Perth!:D

Note: My regional centre of Geraldton is roughly 400km from Perth and the locals don't miss you on the freight costs.

Go figure that one out!:confused:

I found much the same when I bought the Mickey T's and had them fitted in Kalgoorlie. They were considerably cheaper up here than I was quoted by a couple of places in Perth - and they don't miss you on freight in Kalgoorlie either. ;)

Have done well over 40,000km on four of them now (the spare has never been on the ground), and there's plenty of life in them yet. Just got back from trip over to SA for Land Rover gathering at Melrose, and very happy with these tyres both on and off road.

[Learner]

Hi Learner,

Wot is this 1/16" thing you talk off?

SNIP

There's no explaining to the uneducated. :p

[catch-22]

The ATR's are rated at 111H but the original are 111V.

From an insurance perspective, does that matter?

[Slunnie]

The ATR's are rated at 111H but the original are 111V.

From an insurance perspective, does that matter?
As I read the NSW guideline (which I did about 3 days ago), the load rating must be as on the placard as a minimum. The speed rating must be at least 140kmh but they recommend whats on the placard as a minimum also. So as I read it, H is fine. Mud tyres are in the same boat with their lower speed ratings.

Here is the document as published by the NSW RTA (or whatever Road & Maritime are now called) for the correct info.

(http://www.aulro.com/afvb/www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-09-rev4.pdf)http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-09-rev4.pdf

Edit: OK, I don't know wtf is going on with links as it keeps directing back to AULRO. I've disabled the hyperlink, you will need to copy it into your browser and the VS! will hopefully download.

[robertgodino]

Hi Craig (Disco4SE), how do you find GEO's 18" rims. Are they worth the extra money. I plan a trip to Cape York, many trips to the high country and eventually Simpson Desert, so need a wheel to replace my factory 19" rims. Cheers Robert

[Disco4SE]

Hi Craig (Disco4SE), how do you find GEO's 18" rims. Are they worth the extra money. I plan a trip to Cape York, many trips to the high country and eventually Simpson Desert, so need a wheel to replace my factory 19" rims. Cheers Robert
Hi Robert, Long term, the 18" rims are worth it.
The availability of tyres are a lot greater.......especially in the outback.
The rims themselves are rally bred tried & tested.


Cheers, Craig