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trayon517
11th November 2013, 07:23 PM
I dont know if there has been any post in relation to this but i am wanting to know more about this so if anyone has any info, do tell....

So the Aussie defense force just bought over 1200 of these and now there is a rumor that merc is gonna release this ute version for Aussie private sales, if so i think i might consider a this extra-cab chassis version in their "professional" or "military" spec

Just look at it ---
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/903.jpg

read some more:

Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon Military Vehicles Delivered To Australian Defence Force | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/49410/mercedes-benz-g-wagon-military-vehicles-delivered-to-adf-w463-g-class-inching-closer)

if anyone knows more, enlighten us please:cool:..... im also curios as to why they didn't by landrovers??

101RRS
11th November 2013, 07:30 PM
The military did not buy Rovers because Landrover did not submit a tender for the contract.

Garry

RR P38
11th November 2013, 07:49 PM
Looks like hybrid land cruiser/Defender cross.

Is there any info on the Merc's that have superseded the army Land Rovers? how are they performing and what did they cost compared to a Landy?

cols110
11th November 2013, 07:54 PM
I just had a look at the South African website where they sell the Professional G's and they only have the wagons listed. If they sold them down there I would imagine getting them in OZ would not be an issue.

It may pay to send a message to Mercedes ZA to enquire.

Mercedes-Benz South Africa - Vehicle Information - G-Class Professional (http://www.mercedes-benz.co.za/content/south_africa/mpc/mpc_south_africa_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/g-class/_w463_crosscountry/facts_/gclassprofessional.html)

digger
11th November 2013, 07:56 PM
I dont know if there has been any post in relation to this but i am wanting to know more about this so if anyone has any info, do tell....

So the Aussie defense force just bought over 1200 of these and now there is a rumor that merc is gonna release this ute version for Aussie private sales, if so i think i might consider a this extra-cab chassis version in their "professional" or "military" spec

Just look at it ---
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/903.jpg

read some more:

Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon Military Vehicles Delivered To Australian Defence Force | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/49410/mercedes-benz-g-wagon-military-vehicles-delivered-to-adf-w463-g-class-inching-closer)

if anyone knows more, enlighten us please:cool:..... im also curios as to why they didn't by landrovers??



Just looking at that shot...

how is it the defender doesnt comply with ADR shape and has to be discontinued but this is OK??? They arent that far different...


AND IS THAT THE AUSCAM FOR THESE?? Looks dark for what we usually have..

voltron
11th November 2013, 07:57 PM
All I know is that it is a variant of the G Wagon SUV. I have seen them around Newcastle quite a few times. They look awesome. But one thing they don't have I imagine, is the simplicity of the Defender or Land Cruiser. Minimal electronics is a must for me and being a G Wagon it would have huge amount of complexity going on under that bonnet. I could be wrong.

Discomark
11th November 2013, 07:58 PM
They had suspension problems with the G350 wagons on the CSR back in 2011.
Mercedes-Benz G-Class broken by the Australian Outback |*CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/131418/mercedes-benz-g-class-broken-by-the-australian-outback/)
$161k a piece! ouch!

goingbush
11th November 2013, 08:10 PM
The G wagen Professional is not being sold in Australia, I looked at this in depth as I would have bought one, the G-Pro is being discontinued worldwide 2013 -2014 , It does not comply with ADR and can not be made to comply with Euro 5 .

Nearest thing you can buy is a G-350 which is $50,000 more expensive and attracts Luxury Car Tax , but at least still has live axles and 3 diff locks.

I bought a new Iveco Daily 4x4 instead.

MBZ460
11th November 2013, 08:19 PM
See the attached document for specs on the ADF models.
We will not ever be able to buy one, new or at end of service life.

It has very different electrics to the W463, encased in a waterproof enclosure.
This is purpose built spec for military.
The 6x6 only exists because the ADF wanted one, which is now also being ordered by other armies like the Swiss.
Lots of Aussie jobs building the bodies (Varley in Newcastle) and trailers (Haulmark, Qld)

SuperMono
11th November 2013, 08:50 PM
There is a pile of the 6 wheelers sitting over the back fence from work (Mulgrave VIC).
Not sure what they are doing there but I guess part of the local fit-out.

cols110
12th November 2013, 01:51 AM
They had suspension problems with the G350 wagons on the CSR back in 2011.
Mercedes-Benz G-Class broken by the Australian Outback |*CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/131418/mercedes-benz-g-class-broken-by-the-australian-outback/)
$161k a piece! ouch!

Nothing wrong with the vehicles themselves, just shock absorber failures, if they had fitted the same shocks as fitted to the Professional series I doubt there would have been any issues at all.

It is bad PR but a storm in a tea cup really when you look at what actually failed.

ugu80
12th November 2013, 06:40 AM
The military did not buy Rovers because Landrover did not submit a tender for the contract.

Garry


Further to that, part of the tender was an undertaking that the selected vehicle would be available for at least (from memory) 10 years and as we are all aware, the Defender is soon to be out of production and a new model was not ready at the time of the tender. I believe this is why Land Rover did not tender for the contract.

MBZ460
12th November 2013, 07:17 AM
There was a professional ute on the Canning trip and it did not have the problems the W463's had. I believe that the shocks were changed for aus vehicles after that ill fated trip (PR disaster) Also they did the route far too fast.
Anyway I beleive that ute is still here somewhere and there are three other utes being built by enthusiasts using imported cabs or cut down cabs.
From an earlier comment, the W461 Professional is Euro-5 compliant but MB Aus stated they wont sell them without a passenger airbag. I believe there is not enough demand for them to bother, they dont want to "pollute" the luxury status, the W461 would still be way overpriced and they make more money on the W463.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/895.jpg
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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/896.jpg
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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/897.jpg

trayon517
12th November 2013, 08:13 AM
I have to agree that the "failure" they experienced on the Canning was negligible to say the least, they were silly to attempt it at the pace they did and without a spare set of shockers (common knowledge to take a spare set I would have thought) and they did not exactly drive to the conditions.

I am mightily impressed with the engine that they are deploying, the V6 diesel 3L is my ideal diesel engine, a real power house of low down torque. Me wants one!!

It is once again a sad state of affairs that we won’t have the opportunityto purchase the G-pro ute, damn you ADR and Euro5.:mad: Looks like we all might have an underground market opportunity here to bring in the Landcruiser 4.2TD cab-chassis – the Nissan patrol 4.2TD and the Merc G-pro from South Africa. If we all pitch in a grand or so we can have the first containers landed by the end of Jan 2014:twisted:(hehe)

Thanks for the info so far, im sad but optimistic. If anyone knows more, dont be shy...

MBZ460
12th November 2013, 09:31 AM
[QUOTE=trayon517;2026020]I am mightily impressed with the engine that they are deploying, the V6 diesel 3L is my ideal diesel engine, a real power house of low down torque. Me wants one!![QUOTE]

A few of us are going for perhaps an even better engine for our old W460's - the OM606 straight six turbo, fully mechanical.

So the other option to a W461 is an old W460 (a local one or they can be imported if before 1989) and spend some money modernising them a bit. Some believe this will produce a better vehicle than the more complex W461 (mechanical locker activation, less electrics, simpler...)

solmanic
12th November 2013, 09:43 AM
The G wagen Professional is not being sold in Australia, I looked at this in depth as I would have bought one, the G-Pro is being discontinued worldwide 2013 -2014 , It does not comply with ADR and can not be made to comply with Euro 5 .

Nearest thing you can buy is a G-350 which is $50,000 more expensive and attracts Luxury Car Tax , but at least still has live axles and 3 diff locks.

I got a G350 because it was the closest thing to a Defender that could fit into a 2m high car park. It was an ex-demo and a mad bargain believe it or not and I would have paid more to get into a new HSE Disco. I am slowly coming to terms with the guilt being able to drive without water leaking on my foot.

The more of these we can get on the roads here new, the more will become available for sensible people to buy on the secondhand market. Then hopefully we will see more decent locally developed accessories. 2.5yrs since their re-introduction to the Australian market and still no sign of a local bullbar option.

juddy
12th November 2013, 11:09 AM
Is the Genuine MB Bull Bar ADR approved?

rijidij
12th November 2013, 11:44 AM
Give me the 6x6 AMG version....................

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z39jXZfCpf0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZ39jXZfCpf0

trayon517
12th November 2013, 12:18 PM
The more of these we can get on the roads here new, the more will become available for sensible people to buy on the secondhand market. Then hopefully we will see more decent locally developed accessories. 2.5yrs since their re-introduction to the Australian market and still no sign of a local bullbar option.


I would love for this to be the case, as I mentioned, I could make solace with the fact that when it rains I will be dry while driving in my G-pro extra-cab/chassis version. I would love to put my Trayon Camper on the tray and do the Canning again to show them it can do it. They don’t need to develop after market accessories for them or even import a special version for private sales. They are already doing this, over 7500 of them are on their way already (some already here) with all the legit accessories you could dream of already attached.... here is that photo again to prove my point:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/903.jpg
All we need is for a massive amount of people to write to Mercedes Benz Australia asking them to make it a reality (of course in reality we all will be ignored – as all motor manufacturers do) Can anyone muster up a proper email address for the inner sanctum of the Mercedes Benz management to whom we can express our interest to? I’m not talking about the email form on their web site (as I’m sure “Sally” their receptionist is under strict instructions to maliciously delete all such emails) Let’s make this happen!! (Mainly becauseI want to see more of these on the road and in my garage with my Trayon Camper on its back:D)

solmanic
12th November 2013, 12:51 PM
Is the Genuine MB Bull Bar ADR approved?

I guess it has to be since it is available as a factory or dealer option. Only the stupid thing just bolts on to the existing bumper. Even though the standard front bumper is massively thick steel (thicker than a std Defender one), a bolted connection is hardly ideal when skippy jumps out to say hello.

MBZ460
12th November 2013, 12:52 PM
Nothing is going to work with MB Aus in getting a civilian W461. There might be a small chance with a fleet order (e.g. RFS, big mine companies, tour operators) but that is not likely given the limited support here.
We were hoping that the commercial arm would bring them in, same as the Sprinters, Actros trucks etc, but that has not eventuated. The market is too small and the price would be too high, especially as the trend seems to be for cheaper, more disposable equipment like Chinese utes. And the W461 is likely to stop rolling off the production line next year, although they have said that before and then re-released them. Mercedes cant be bothered selling and supporting a hard-core offroad vehicle when the trend is more to luxury.

What a shame, this is as-delivered from the factory including all accessories, in Europe of course. Only our army are "allowed" them here:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/899.jpg

33chinacars
12th November 2013, 01:17 PM
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/895.jpg
http://www.g4rce.net/bilder/pic-290gd-pickup-big.jpg
http://bbs.cheping.com.cn/bbs/attachments/month_1112/1112031203647bd1f0577d66ec.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/896.jpg
http://www.db-forum.de/galery/data/500/xW461_Pick_up.jpg.pagespeed.ic.-WeJd6-Mqp.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/897.jpg

Dual cab looks fantastic . :BigThumb::BigThumb:Even the style side ute looks good.:D:D

Gary

isuzurover
12th November 2013, 01:22 PM
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Even though the standard front bumper is massively thick steel (thicker than a std Defender one), a bolted connection is hardly ideal when skippy jumps out to say hello.

I wouldn't be concerned about a bolted connection. Especially if you also have those side bars fitted.

NT5224
12th November 2013, 05:24 PM
Hello folks

About ten years ago I drove a G Wagen across the Sahara -1200km pushing through country which hadn't previously been opened up to motor vehicles. For much of the distance (four days) we saw no other wheel tracks and had to be completely self reliant. We drove regular heavy-duty Wagens, I guess the equivalent of the current Pro or military versions.

Coming to the diesel G Wagen from the V8 110, I found them incredibly torquey. You could point a G up a dune, slam it in low and it would just walk slowly to the top. First time I tried the anti-stall in my Puma I was reminded of the G. But the Gs are very heavy. Despite excellent torque delivery, there were times when we bogged every few hundred metres. And because of the weight, they were a bitch to recover when they did.

I'd have to say that in that sand country I'd choose a Land Rover over a G if lightly loaded, although up at GVM the advantage of the Rover is lost and you'd be better off with the G Wagen. But that was before the new Rover diesel engines. I'd probably rate my Puma over the G Wagen of ten years ago, but thats perhaps not a fair comparison ;)

Great vehicle -would have considered a Pro ute if they were sold in Aussie
Cheers

Alan

juddy
13th November 2013, 09:57 AM
Tom. Shepard drives one so must be good

UncleHo
13th November 2013, 11:06 AM
Can anyone tell me if those Aust Defence Force Mercs have an ADR plate? as if not they can not be sold on post military use for road registration to private buyers, without an ADR plate no vehicle built post 1972 can be registered in Australia, UNLESS it is a private import and has the relative compliance plate fitted here in Australia.

The Australian Design Rules (ADR) plate is/was designed soley to protect the Australian Motor Vehicle Building Industry, from those vehicles built overseas whether they were up to or exceded those Australian specs,it costs a motor manufacture many hundreds of thousands of $ to get a vehicle approved and that does not include those used in destruction tests,that is the reason why many model of vehicles built by world manufacturers are not on the Australian market,too few sales and to to costly to get approval :(

I can remember a Landrover product being delayed it's ADR plate as the exhaust tailpipe exited on the wrong side (right and not left) :eek:

That is why there are so few exotics on Australian roads,but you can still import one and get a personal import plate(at your own costs) and modifications to suit ADR's if you want one,modifications include headlights(left dip,tailight brightness and reflectivity,must have Aust ADR seatbelts,etc,sweep of windscreen wipers and spray of washers) just ask any hotrodder as to what hoops he has to jump through.

There are probably a lot of those grey imports ex Japan=ex NZ that if they had to go over the pits would fail ,all at the discression of the testing officer, and his interepitation of the ADR's.


cheers

101RRS
13th November 2013, 11:39 AM
without an ADR plate no vehicle built post 1972 can be registered in Australia, UNLESS it is a private import and has the relative compliance plate fitted here in Australia.



Not quite the case - Aust Army 101s do not have compliance plates and are on the roads in Aust without any compliance plates or mod certificates.

Garry

MBZ460
13th November 2013, 06:22 PM
I am pretty sure part of the contract was that at end of service life the ADF G's go back to Mercedes and would not be made available to the public.
There are plenty of ex-army G's on the road around the world but they are almost all LHD, many from Canada, Holland, Denmark and Germany. Even the British army have some for sale.

juddy
14th November 2013, 06:26 AM
The UK MOD will be getting rid of all theres soon, with the gradually pull out of Germany..

MBZ460
14th November 2013, 12:20 PM
Speaking of MOD G's in Germany, here is one which had an interesting mission, with an attached article.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Pc3B6WGnwoY/UoQssyKqDkI/AAAAAAAAG_k/YWSWUC6gAUc/s600-no/BRIXMIS.jpg