Merc Sprinter Jack

[juliatea]

Hi everyone first posting here for me.
Had a D3 now have D4.
I have found a distributor in melbourne for these jacks made by Weber and fitted to sprinters.
In order to make it easier for the distributor I have posted on Disco3couk to get the precise details shown on the label of the jacks.
They are hydraulic bottle jacks bought by many owners in the UK by the look of things. The distributor here is preparing an order for shipping and is prepared to add mine to the order, and is happy to receive orders from anyone else.
His details are:
Email paulstephens@pthydraulics.com.au
Website www.pthydraulics.com.au (http://www.pthydraulics.com.au/)
Julia

[brd]

Saw the previious post re these jacks, seem a better option than the OEM

Are allowed to ask the cost?

Brent

[juliatea]

Sorry don't know until we find out exactly which jack it is, I only discovered the distributorship this morning and am awaiting replies from disco3couk members, who I hope will be able to supply the information on the jack label, so that Paul from pt hydraulics in Melbourne can check with Weber, presumably in Germany.
Tried turning a few photos around but still could not work out the code on the jack. If you look at the Weber website they seem to produce a lot of bottle jacks as well as other types of jacks.
I did not fancy the idea of buying one in the UK and bringing it back in my luggage. I will provide the ID information to Paul and he can then work out a cost.
Once we sort out a cost I can post again. He did point out that the more he ordered the cheaper it would be.
Julia

[Lotz-A-Landies]

So which model jack are we referring to? 9005A?
9006X?Do they need a fitting to locate correctly into the jacking points on the vehicle?

[oldsalt]

Keep us informed... I'm sure lots of members on this forum would be interested in a "better" jack ... a child's party balloon would do a better job than the OEM bit of crap...

[juliatea]

I have a photo of the jack on the Disco3couk forum posted in the last hour or so which I have emailed to the distributor.
I am not sure if I can see on the photo which of the two jacks it is, but hopefully the people at PT hydraulics will be able to identify it and ask Weber in Europe, I will post as soon as I have any further info.
As I have just received a set of 18" wheels from Gordon at Green Oval Experience in Perth we have a vested interest in a better jack, although I have to say that regular changing of the 17" and 18" wheels when we had the Disco3 did not cause a problem, but then perhaps we were lucky. I view the scissor jack with considerable caution.
Julia

[Meccles]

I have a kingchrome 6 ton hydraulic jack that works great. Got a local machinist to turn up an adaptor to fit on top of jack and into chassis locating hole. Total cost (jack and adaptor) less than $100. Have fitted it into the existing space in RRS where there was a cut out for a better jack (which JLR don't provide)
Will post some photo's tomorrow. You can buy kingchrome from Autopro stores, I think Bursons, and also Trade Tools used to stock them.

[101RRS]

Have fitted it into the existing space in RRS where there was a cut out for a better jack (which JLR don't provide)


But being on its side does it leak oil?

[Meccles]

Seems to have been ok. I tend to normally keep it in a plastic bag (removed for photo) just in case. If it does leak a bit I will consider that a traditionally British approach to rust proofing:) I have also stored them in engine bay vertically in front of main battery as another option. Fits well there also.

[Redback]

D2 jack works a treat;)

Baz.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I like the idea of a squat telescopic jack, but they are difficult to find, the D1/Defender/RRc ones made in Italy seem good but the cradle at the top not ideal for the D4. (The one from my Defender has recently started leaking so I can see a service coming up to see if I can repair it.)

[juliatea]

Latest from Paul at PThydraulics is that he did not get a reply overnight from Weber so he is going to try again tonight. I have provided him with a photo of the jack kindly provided by Robbie on Disco3couk last night. Also I have garnered the links to how to adapt the top of the jack to a Disco jacking point. If this comes off will check with the Disco3 moderator and put them up for everyone who is interested, if it is ok with them.
According to the email this morning from Paul if it can be identified correctly, then adding it to their order that they are about to make will significantly decrease the cost.
Certainly won't be as cheap as they are in the UK, but then the postage cost would probably be outrageous.
Julia

[juliatea]

Sorry folks, bad news I am afraid. Paul has received an email from Weber which states their position.

“The jack AT 2,6-250 ID. 2162644 is only sold to industrial clients as Mercedes.
We regret having to inform you that we cannot offer this jack to you.
Your client has to contact a spare part service of Mercedes.”


Looks like I will be bringing one back from the UK next year. Good job Emirates has a reasonable weight allowance!


Julia

[juliatea]

Further news of Weber Jacks; have contacted the seller of these jacks on ebay UK at the following

2.5 TON HYDRAULIK BOTTLE JACKS,BRAND NEW OFF MERC SPRINTER VANS,100 IN STOCK. | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-5-TON-HYDRAULIK-BOTTLE-JACKS-BRAND-NEW-OFF-MERC-SPRINTER-VANS-100-IN-STOCK-/261281033753?pt=UK_Lifting_Moving_Equipment&hash=item3cd5902e19)

his response is as follows, and I quote with his permission:

I have just shipped two to new south wales,The postage is £120 as they weigh when packaged about 7 kilos.
So the deal for me to ship one is £150.I can ship two for £120 so why don't you buy two and sell one there as i get a lot
of requests from ozz for these and i have suggested this before but the shipping puts people off i guess.
They are genuine webber items pulled from leased sprinter vans as you are not allowed in the uk to change a puncture on a leased or hired
vehicle (health and safety!!).We get them off the lease companys which must **** merc off and webber no end!!

Wondered if anyone else is interested.
Will hold off ordering until tomorrow.
Julia

[~Rich~]

That would be Vaughn,

I tried getting a group buy happening, it failed.
Read the thread here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/177810-replacement-jack-possible-group-buy.html

I ended up buying a second hand jack off a Merc Wrecker:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/181291-bottle-jack-any-good-2.html#post1982981

Good luck whatever you decide.

[SBD4]

Have a look at this thread too. there are other cheaper options:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/180334-d3-jack-replacement-solution-sorts.html

[giskard]

Does the top of the sprinter/weber units fit the jack points of the Disco 4 without modification? Cheers, G

[bob2s]

I purchased a Sprinter jack from FIRST AUTO PARTS PLUS $185 for jack and tool kit $20 .50 freight from Vic to NSW Total 205 Found them on the tinternet
Bob

[juliatea]

I understand from the disco3 website that a minor modification which includes removing the crosspiece on the top allows it to fit in the normal jacking point. A large washer and spring clip can be fitted to the top to prevent the ram disappearing inadvertently. Helpful pictures on disco3.
Think I will probably pick one up in February when I go to the Uk.
Regards Julia

[giskard]

Can you pick up two Julia? :D

[juliatea]

Sorry giscard I think the customs people might think twice about 2 jacks in one suitcase, whatever the price!
I actually only take a small suitcase as I am a regular visitor, and have winter and summer clothes there. I will only be there for a short while this time, I am going over for my Dads' 95th birthday.
Julia

[Fred Nerk]

I have recently bought the Mercedes Sprinter Jack from Vaughan. He can be found on eBay (UK) but the purchase will not proceed on eBay as he does not sell outside the UK unless you email him. He then gets a quote for shipping to your address and if you agree you pay with PayPal.

I found him very prompt with his responses. I received two jacks as my brother wanted one too. The shipping cost for two jacks is not much more that for one. The jacks were very well packed and arrived within a week of payment. It worked out at $145 each.

They have an excellent range (two stage) and easily raise the D4 wheel well clear when lifting at the usual jacking position.

Vaughan explained he gets these jacks in batches of 100 from a dealer. In the EC it is not allowed for people who lease or hire vehicles to change a tyre/wheel. The jacks are taken out of the vehicles and sold off cheaply.

Search eBay for item 261281033753. The jacks are £40.

[dukemasterpro]

I have recently bought the Mercedes Sprinter Jack from Vaughan. He can be found on eBay (UK) but the purchase will not proceed on eBay as he does not sell outside the UK unless you email him. He then gets a quote for shipping to your address and if you agree you pay with PayPal.

I found him very prompt with his responses. I received two jacks as my brother wanted one too. The shipping cost for two jacks is not much more that for one. The jacks were very well packed and arrived within a week of payment. It worked out at $145 each.

They have an excellent range (two stage) and easily raise the D4 wheel well clear when lifting at the usual jacking position.

Vaughan explained he gets these jacks in batches of 100 from a dealer. In the EC it is not allowed for people who lease or hire vehicles to change a tyre/wheel. The jacks are taken out of the vehicles and sold off cheaply.

Search eBay for item 261281033753. The jacks are £40.

Nice - what modification does the jack need to fit the hole in the chassis? I'm after 1 jack if that part is as easy as the order!

[Fred Nerk]

While the jack does not fit into the chassis holes in the Land Rover it can lift at the correct places as supplied. I have read of people who have machined a new top fitting for the jack, but it works fine as it comes. As should always apply, never put anything under the car that you don't want crushed when it is on any type of jack.

[dukemasterpro]

Just had one of these jacks delivered from Melbourne.
75584
75585
Bit disappointed as I think it's the wrong one - well looks different to the eBay ones bought by disco3 members.
75586
Had been expecting to just replace the saddle with a disco3.co.uk shop washer and R pin but now that does not seem to work. 75583

Thoughts anyone on how to modify it or if not where it can go under the chassis to jack or do I need to return it ( not sure if that's possible either )

Thanks!

[BSM]

Just had one of these jacks delivered from Melbourne.
75584
Bit disappointed as I think it's the wrong one - well looks different to the eBay ones bought by disco3 members.
Thoughts anyone on how to modify it or if not where it can go under the chassis to jack or do I need to return it ( not sure if that's possible either )

Thanks!

It looks to me that your jack (if yours is the top photo) is not a two stage jack. I can only see one stage on that photo. If that is so, them the total stroke is probably not enough.

I did some measurements a while back on what the min/ max jack heights should be. Have a look here (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/180334-d3-jack-replacement-solution-sorts.html).

[amazing]

There has been a report of the sprinter jack failing on another forum.
DISCO4.COM - View topic - WARNING: Merc Sprinter Jack Failure (http://www.disco4.com/forum/topic109255.html?highlight=sprinter)


out of the frying pan....

[~Rich~]

I have a different one again:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/797.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/3ab49f4a-c4d8-456f-9b35-37b0ee1add2b_zpsec418267.jpg.html)

Same head though, I havn't been able to figure out how to take it off either.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/798.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/7B523173-AEDE-4958-9C02-B437407054B9-13878-00000811239D8BBF_zps5a5622d6.jpg.html)

I am happy with the jack though, extends to a great height 550mm. Plenty of pumping required ;)

[Redback]

I bought a Discovery 2 jack, 2 stage, works fine and heaps cheaper;)

Baz.

[Redback]

I like the idea of a squat telescopic jack, but they are difficult to find, the D1/Defender/RRc ones made in Italy seem good but the cradle at the top not ideal for the D4. (The one from my Defender has recently started leaking so I can see a service coming up to see if I can repair it.)

Works fine on the D4 Diana.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/IMG_0326_zpsdeaea41e.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/IMG_0325_zpsb953dbf5.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/IMG_0325_zpsb953dbf5.jpg.html)

Baz.

[~Rich~]

Tyres are getting down now Baz. ;)

[Redback]

Tyres are getting down now Baz. ;)

Yeah and why they are gone, new Bridgestone D697s on now:D

Baz.

[Bigbjorn]

Will someone tell me what is special about a Sprinter jack. Looks like a normal two stage hydraulic bottle jack to me. Plenty of these available from industrial and engineering suppliers.

[sheerluck]

Will someone tell me what is special about a Sprinter jack. Looks like a normal two stage hydraulic bottle jack to me. Plenty of these available from industrial and engineering suppliers.

Nothing special, Brian. It's just that they were a convenient height, load capacity and price on eBay UK.

One particular vendor was selling a load off from a Mercedes van rental fleet.

[~Rich~]

Size is also one of the pluses. The height range is
also exceptional when comparing it to locally available jacks.

[dukemasterpro]

I have a different one again:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/797.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/3ab49f4a-c4d8-456f-9b35-37b0ee1add2b_zpsec418267.jpg.html)

Same head though, I havn't been able to figure out how to take it off either.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/798.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/7B523173-AEDE-4958-9C02-B437407054B9-13878-00000811239D8BBF_zps5a5622d6.jpg.html)

I am happy with the jack though, extends to a great height 550mm. Plenty of pumping required ;)


Hi Rich with yours what's your favoured part if the chassis to locate the jack? How did it go without a locating pin as you'd get on the factory scissor jack?
I was expecting to be able to remove the saddle and have smooth extension bit like yours. Had even sent a photo with an eBay example to the place I bought off as comparison.

[~Rich~]

I actually prefer to remove the Air suspension fuses and jack under the suspension arms like Redback has shown in his earlier photo. Either the spot shown or the dimple also shown in the photo. If you jack under the chassis you have a lot more lifting to do before the wheel is off the ground.
But I have used it also under the chassis with the saddle across it.

[discotwinturbo]

I actually prefer to remove the Air suspension fuses and jack under the suspension arms like Redback has shown in his earlier photo. Either the spot shown or the dimple also shown in the photo. If you jack under the chassis you have a lot more lifting to do before the wheel is off the ground. But I have used it also under the chassis with the saddle across it.

I constantly swap wheels for off-roading and touring. Trolley jack under suspension arm with fuse removed.

Great trick for one wheel change only. Either LR jack or other under the arm for the wheel you want to change. Wind up a couple of turns and heh presto wheel lifts up by itself. No sweat.

Brett....

[dukemasterpro]

I actually prefer to remove the Air suspension fuses and jack under the suspension arms like Redback has shown in his earlier photo. Either the spot shown or the dimple also shown in the photo. If you jack under the chassis you have a lot more lifting to do before the wheel is off the ground.
But I have used it also under the chassis with the saddle across it.


Had a chance to test the jack outside Arkaroola with a completely deflated tyre that was bagged out on the inside. A station workers trolley jack under the left suspension bit and the bottle jack under the chassis rail worked alright. Glad I decided to buy one, the LR scissor jack would have been quite unstable in that situation. Didn't get any pictures as it was dark, had been a long day and getting an image for posterity was not on my mind at the time.

[101RRS]

But would it have worked OK without the use of a trolly jack to start the lift process??

[jon3950]

Had a chance to test the jack outside Arkaroola with a completely deflated tyre that was bagged out on the inside. A station workers trolley jack under the left suspension bit and the bottle jack under the chassis rail worked alright. Glad I decided to buy one, the LR scissor jack would have been quite unstable in that situation. Didn't get any pictures as it was dark, had been a long day and getting an image for posterity was not on my mind at the time.

Have been thinking about this a bit lately as a result of getting a flat up near Black Springs over Easter. Is the sprinter jack stable enough on rough ground?

I have a 12t bottle jack from Gasweld, after someone recommended it on this forum (of course):
535050 - Buy Hydraulic Bottle Jack 12 Tonne 2 Stage | Gasweld (http://www.gasweld.com.au/535050-toolex.html)
Weighs a ton and takes up a lot of space, but having used it in the rough for the first time in 6 years, I was very grateful I had it. Stable, controllable lift from under the chassis, even on soft, uneven ground.

Also, very jealous of the Arkaroola bit.

Cheers,
Jon

[SimmAus]

535050 - Buy Hydraulic Bottle Jack 12 Tonne 2 Stage | Gasweld (http://www.gasweld.com.au/535050-toolex.html) Weighs a ton and takes up a lot of space, but having used it in the rough for the first time in 6 years, I was very grateful I had it. Stable, controllable lift from under the chassis, even on soft, uneven ground. Also, very jealous of the Arkaroola bit. Cheers, Jon
Hi Jon
How big is this unit? There are no sizes I could see on the website (except it's lifting heights)
I guess it can't fit in the original space or toe hitch space with some foam adjustments?

Cheers
Mark

[jon3950]

Hi Mark,

No chance of it fitting. The base is about 150 square and its about 230 high. Its also very heavy, so even if it did fit I would worry about damaging panels.

I only carry it when I'm travelling and have my drawers in the back, so rely on the standard jack around town. Hence my interest in the Sprinter jack.

Cheers,
Jon

[Redback]

Have been thinking about this a bit lately as a result of getting a flat up near Black Springs over Easter. Is the sprinter jack stable enough on rough ground?

I have a 12t bottle jack from Gasweld, after someone recommended it on this forum (of course):
535050 - Buy Hydraulic Bottle Jack 12 Tonne 2 Stage | Gasweld (http://www.gasweld.com.au/535050-toolex.html)
Weighs a ton and takes up a lot of space, but having used it in the rough for the first time in 6 years, I was very grateful I had it. Stable, controllable lift from under the chassis, even on soft, uneven ground.

Also, very jealous of the Arkaroola bit.

Cheers,
Jon

Don't be Jon, very underwhelming I thought.

We met Richard and his lovely wife(Dukemasterpro) at Arkaroola, we drove with him to Copely to get his new tyre, just in case he got another flat, his rim was dented also when he got the flat, as far as I could tell, it didn't look that bad, but the tyre guy reckoned it wasn't repairable.

I'd get a second opinion if I was Richard.

Baz.

[Tombie]

Regardless - The Sprinter jack is 30mm too tall if you are attempting to lift the vehicle with a flat tyre...

It wont fit under the vehicle to start the lift...

Bottle Jack, under the Arm will do the job just fine..

And yes, D2 jacks work great!

[jon3950]

And yes, D2 jacks work great!

Think this is my next option. I haven't tried jacking under the suspension (my jack doesn't fit) but it just seems a more sensible option than jacking off the chassis when you have that much wheel travel.

Any idea what the D2 jack is currently worth?

Cheers,
Jon

[jon3950]

Don't be Jon, very underwhelming I thought.

We were there for a couple of days last year and really liked it. Seemed weird at first - like a religious camp or something, but it got under our skin. We didn't camp - stayed up in the cabins, which may have made a difference.

Did you do the Echo Camp Back Track?

Cheers,
Jon

[SBD4]

Think this is my next option. I haven't tried jacking under the suspension (my jack doesn't fit) but it just seems a more sensible option than jacking off the chassis when you have that much wheel travel.

Any idea what the D2 jack is currently worth?

Cheers,
Jon

Jon, try searching for KAJ100571

[Redback]

We were there for a couple of days last year and really liked it. Seemed weird at first - like a religious camp or something, but it got under our skin. We didn't camp - stayed up in the cabins, which may have made a difference.

Did you do the Echo Camp Back Track?

Cheers,
Jon

Yes drove out to the springs(couldn't find the head of the springs though) and then back along the Back Track, not a bad track actually, scenery is amazing although could not see Lake Frome from the lookout, the food in the bar wasn't the best, the amenities were average at best, the campsite was good though and also the staff, but the company of the group made it a very good experience.

Would I go again, no don't think so, we would if going with the group though, Sitec and Alien, Rocmic, plilandliz, Gus107, good bunch of people.

Baz.

[dukemasterpro]

Regardless - The Sprinter jack is 30mm too tall if you are attempting to lift the vehicle with a flat tyre...

It wont fit under the vehicle to start the lift...

Bottle Jack, under the Arm will do the job just fine..

And yes, D2 jacks work great!


Even with the LR jack and a very flat rear ended up digging about 30-40mm to fit the spare. Front wheel on the same side as the spare was off the ground by a similar amount!
The bottle jack would still be useful for the camper trailer :-)

[simmo]

I'm carrying a Jack similar to Meccles in my car 4000 kg, ( under the seat) for years on its side, no plastic bag, just wrapped in old towel to stop it banging too much. It doesn't leak only a few drops once in awhile. The old one leaked a bit but it was 20 years old. You can easily top them up with ATF if need be. cheers Simmo. 12,000 kg is a big jack maybe a bit too big. Sissor jack is OK as long as the vehicle is secure. Versatile as well because it's so compact.

1995 def 110

[Redback]

I forgot to mention that we did get a flat on one of the tracks at Mitta Mitta, we used the D2 jack in combination with a trolley jack(carried in the Amarok) D2 jack under the lower control arm, trolley jack under the chassis(mainly for stability)

Seemed to work well, definately need two jacks though, one jack would be a pain, especially on a hill or uneven ground, Land Rover where definately not thinking about getting a flat off road when the jack was put in the car, have already twisted the scissor jack to the point where it's useless.

Our second jack for when we are not travelling with Ness in the Rok, is the D3 bottle jack(wind up type) bit of a pain to use but it will do till we find a small enough trolley jack as a second jack.

Baz.

[BSM]

I forgot to mention that we did get a flat on one of the tracks at Mitta Mitta, we used the D2 jack in combination with a trolley jack(carried in the Amarok) D2 jack under the lower control arm, trolley jack under the chassis(

Baz, I've read your posts before on using a jack under the lower control arms. If I recall correctly, you can only put them under the front arms, and you possibly need to pull the fuse for the EAS is that right? Where exactly do you place the jack under the control arm? What shape should the jack head be if you use this approach? I presume you wouldn't want to use an OEM scissor jack at that location because of the locator pin in the jack head would damage the control arm. Thoughts?

[Redback]

Baz, I've read your posts before on using a jack under the lower control arms. If I recall correctly, you can only put them under the front arms, and you possibly need to pull the fuse for the EAS is that right? Where exactly do you place the jack under the control arm? What shape should the jack head be if you use this approach? I presume you wouldn't want to use an OEM scissor jack at that location because of the locator pin in the jack head would damage the control arm. Thoughts?

Have never pulled any fuse and the D2 jack has a curved end, similar to the sprinter jack, it goes where the is a hole in the control arm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/IMG_0326_zpsdeaea41e.jpg

[BSM]

Have never pulled any fuse and the D2 jack has a curved end, similar to the sprinter jack, it goes where the is a hole in the control arm.


And can you do this also on the rear control arm?

[Redback]

And can you do this also on the rear control arm?

I would assume so, I have no problem jacking from the control arm, it is actually easier on the air suspension models I think.

Test it out, best way to know for sure, also I'm pretty sure the jacking point for the coil D3 is the control arm, someone with a coil D3 may confirm this, I'm going on memory from when we changed a flat on his coil D3 and one of the reasons we bought a D3 bottle jack, which is now our second jack.

Baz.

[murray073]

The D3 Coil suspension has a lug/hook type arrangement that is welded to the front & rear control arms. The lug aligns with the top edge of the control arm, therefore you have the thickness of the control arm extra in height to fit the jack under.

Cheers, Murray

[discotwinturbo]

And can you do this also on the rear control arm?

I do.....when I change from road rubber to my off-road/touring rubber.

Brett....

[bbyer]

And can you do this also on the rear control arm? I am referring here to the air suspension LR3, but for the front, I have a bottle jack similar to the jpg above but without the curved top bit - just a half inch diameter post so to speak. I set it in that dimple that is visible in the jpg behind the jack. It sits nicely there.

I do however have a trolley jack under the frame to the rear of the wheel to carry the main load so the bottle jack is just lifting the A arm.

Regarding the rear, pretty much the same; trolley jack lifting on the frame and the bottle jack under the A arm. The problem however is that there is not the nice dimple on the underside of the rear A arm so I just pick a jacking point but it is not as elegant as with the front.

The advantage of lifting under the A arm is that the vehicle does not have to be elevated very high, and yes, I usually set my 3 at off road height to provide increased tyre removal clearance due to the reduced amount of jacking needed.