No Start After a Long Rest

[101RRS]

I need to move my Station Wagon from the back yard to the front yard and then to the side of the house.

It has a 2 litre siamese engine in it and was driven to its current position in 2007 parked and not started or moved since. At the time the engine would start easily.

I could tow and winch the wagon around with my 101 but would really be a difficult task so I thought I would fire it up and drive it around.

I connected up a battery (cannot remember if it is +ive or -ive earth but doesn't matter), poured some petrol down the carby and hit the stater - turned over OK but no fire. As there is plenty of fuel in the intake I believe there is no spark.

I put a timing light on number 1 lead - no light but when I bypassed the car's electrics and connected the coil to an intermittent 12v source the coil is firing - that really only leaves points or condensor.

As everything was running when parked up and I don't really want to start pulling things apart I am now thinking condensor - unlikely that the points would start have issues just sitting there.

So I want to replace the condensor - so do I need the exact condensor that fits or can anyone old one I can buy from Supercheap work?

If the issue is more serious then I will just have to tow, winch and push the vehicle around the block.

Garry

[bee utey]

Run a bit of fine wet and dry up the points, they've probably developed a nice patina by now. Silver is not 100% corrosion proof. Also make sure the terminal from the points is tight and clean. To test I usually short the points with an insulated screwdriver and flick them rapidly until the dead spot becomes apparent. Check they're not binding on the post either. If the condenser is dead you'll get a very weak spark providing the points are clean. A radio suppressor can be pressed into service instead if needed, just put it on the neg coil terminal instead of the positive.

[muddy]

Is there a stickng valve/valves?

[LoveB]

Gary I tried a super cheap one for mine but it wouldn't fire. That said there was probably other stuff wrong lol. I've got one we can try if you need it. Otherwise glad to give you a hand

[PhilipA]

If the condenser is gone, if you flick the points open there will be a large yellow spark . If the condenser is good there will be a small blue spark.
geez, I am dredging memory now .
Regards Philip A

[back_in]

Hi
one very quick method get 6 strong boys to push while you steer
other way, pull pugs out, squirt of oil down each pug hole, disconnect coil,
using a fully charged battery wind the starter in the gear needed
2 minutes later job finished
cheers
Ian

[wrinklearthur]

Hi
one very quick method get 6 strong boys to push while you steer
other way, pull pugs out, squirt of oil down each pug hole, disconnect coil,
using a fully charged battery wind the starter in the gear needed
2 minutes later job finished


Oh No, not another enema !

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[101RRS]

other way, pull pugs out, squirt of oil down each pug hole, disconnect coil,
using a fully charged battery wind the starter in the gear needed
2 minutes later job finished
cheers
Ian

Thanks Ian but the move is just a bit too far for the that.

Garry

[Lost Landy]

I have a great idea on moving it, I can load it onto a car trailer and tow it up to Brisbane :D

[LR1953]

Gary, in my 1953 siamese bore engine I use a Bosch GL103 condenser and Bosch GL10 pointset. Available from Bursons. Make sure your fuel isn't stale too.

Good Luck! Rob S

[wrinklearthur]

Don't forget to change the cap and rotor with known good ones, sitting as long as that, they may have absorbed some moisture.

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[101RRS]

Hi


Ian

Thanks for your insight.

[Blknight.aus]

dont use wet and dry on points.

use a dead credit card.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Hi
your starter with a good battery will move your car far further than you wish to go
etc etc etc
cheers
Ian

Whats with this??
He thanks you and you go all postal on him? Just because he didnt treat your help as a tablet from god doesnt mean its not good help.
The rest of your post is just crap,
rude crap at that.
Not asked for, warranted, needed or tolerated,,
:mad:

[101RRS]

Thanks for all the suggestions - I haven't had a chance to look into this further and will try this week. I will put in a new condensor and clean up the points and see how I go. If no luck the 101 will come into play and to stop a bit of clowning about, maybe even some cranking on the starter in low range in the tight spots.

I will let you know how things go.

Garry

[Defender Mike]

River actually the Normanby in Far North Queensland out behind Cooktown in the late 70's . Heading back from the Palmer River through the Conglomerate range , I pulled up at Battle Camp station. The ringers told me the Normanby was too deep to cross but if I had a go and got stuck I could borrow a cruiser on the other side keys are in the tray to pull mine out.
I had a go and got stuck well not stuck but engine ceased to propel me forward water was flowing through the side windows . I held the ignition key on start in low range 1st gear and wound myself 100 meters across a flooded river. When I got to the other side still wheel deep in water my wife or girlfriend she was then opened the door, out flowed the water my cassettes and everything else that wasn't bolted down. I thought my engine would take a lot of drying out but amazingly 10 mins later I hit the starter and she fired back to life. Diffs were full of water though . So there you go a starter motor can get you out of trouble and move you quite a distance if you have to and I didn't even take out the plugs
Mike. :)

[101RRS]

Well had a bit more detailed look at the dizzy but I couldn't get the engine to fire up without pulling things to bits which I didn't want to do.

So I did my original plane and winched and towed with the 101. Took 6 hours to get the series 1 from the back yard around the front and to the opposite side of the house. I had forgotten how crap the turning circle is on a series 1, particularly compared to a 101 which is nice and tight.

And Ian - yes I did crank on the starter to get the car into its final position. :)

A bonus, this was that first time I was actually able to back my camper back into its spot in front of the series 1 - I have a tree in the middle of the front yard that normally restricts access but this time I just lucked it in and the ducks were aligned.

So the series 1 station wagon is going to have to live in this new position for a few years until its restoration begins.

Thanks for all the input.

Garry

[back_in]

Hi Mike and Garry
Good to see a OLD One who got told to pull his head in by and shot down by the Moderator.
Has learnt a lot more over many years, than the modern day internet experts.
pleasing to see the key, right gear will and does work.
cheers
Ian

[101RRS]

Ian - I doubt that few people on here fail to appreciate your knowledge and experience on series vehicles and even more people on here would appreciate this knowledge if you were able to be a bit more diplomatic in your posts.

As far as cranking goes I have cranked at one stage or another every manual gearboxed vehicle I have owned and have used it many times to get me out of trouble. In the job I had to do it was never going to work over the entire distance - in the end I had to winch and tow the vehicle to the rough position I wanted it and then cranked it back and forward a couple of times but only over about 5 or 6 feet - even doing that the starter struggled and I now have to replace the battery cables as the insulation melted in a few spots.

Thanks for your thoughts and I look forward to drawing on your knowledge in the future.

Cheers

Garry

[chazza]

I have used cranking twice in an emergency to get a truck, and another time a car, off the road and onto a traffic-island where I could investigate safely, why they had stopped.

Be aware though, that because starter motors do not have a fan to cool themselves, they can overheat very quickly, unlike a dynamo which does have a cooling system.

An alternative - if one has a good a back and fancies a bit of healthy-heart exercise - is to remove the spark plugs; engage low-range 1st or reverse and move the car by winding the starter handle,

Cheers Charlie

[back_in]

Hi
thank you for your thoughts
using a stater motor is a is one of the last ways of getting out of trouble,
got my Mark 1 Cortina off a railway crossing 58 years ago after running out of fuel with a near empty tank.
Mikes 100m. river crossing is one of the best I have heard, water cooled starter motors, now there's a thought.
cheers
Ian