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tailslide
28th November 2013, 11:57 PM
I have just joined the lofty ranks of all you keg guys.:D Last Sunday I spotted an add on gumtree that was too good to pass up, and it had only been posted for 20min. I have come 2nd (or 200th) on many occasions before in my search.

Anyway, I have a kegerator with six kegs and bottle with some gas in it. The kegerator is still in the back of the landy as it is too big for myself to manage. I should be able to get it out this weekend with a bit of help, then the missus will find out what I have been up to...:angel:

Lots of learning ahead for me... I have a brew ready, would like to keg it this weekend instead of bottling.:)

Cheers
Ron

Ferret
29th November 2013, 01:20 AM
If you don't want the wife to find out you can hide it at my place.

LandyAndy
29th November 2013, 09:24 PM
Its a nice setup Ron.
You can go ahead and keg the brew,it isnt too important if you cant gas it yet.
You now need a second fermenter.Start doing everything in pairs,its the best way to get your beer aged.
2 brews in the fermenters at the same time.
If you need any help/info etc yell out.BEWARE of overgassing the beer(too high flow pressure),if you do,and you will,disconnect the gas and release the stored pressure.The gas will come out of the beer over time.
ENJOY
Andrew

tailslide
30th November 2013, 12:23 AM
The secret is out. A mate from work came over tonight and gave me a hand with the Kegerator. It is now in "my" bar.:D

Missus declares that we don't need another bar fridge. But I think I may have got away with it.:angel:

I then had to share a few bottles, a Little Creatures replica and a Dockside Stout, with Oliver. He enjoyed them so much that he is now keenly interested in home brewing.:p His previous exposure to home brews had been disappointing to be polite...

I have some new clean lines to install on the weekend and will give the fridge a good clean. It is plugged in and getting cold, got to be happy about that.

Once I have kegged my first brew I think that I'll start of with a low pressure and wait a week and see how it goes.

Cheers
Ron

jazzaD1
30th November 2013, 12:27 AM
just try and wait! haha

LandyAndy
30th November 2013, 10:38 PM
Ron,bear in mind the beer in the keg will need to get to 4degC or lower before it will absorb any CO2,it can take close on a week to get a decent gas into the beer.
My flow meter is set at 10 psi,that gives quite a good head on a fully gassed keg,if anything its a tad high.I wouldnt go any higher and perhaps a tad lower(8psi) for starters.Its easy to add gas once gassed,see what others say.
Andrew

tailslide
30th November 2013, 11:04 PM
Thanks Andrew,

I have replaced all of the gas lines today and tested at 10PSI on the reg. I have shut off the main valve and six hours later it is still holding pressure in the lines. I am however stumped with changing the two beer lines. I am having trouble getting the two brass nuts undone in the tower. I even went to SuperCheap for a sacrificial 1" ring spanner. Having cut the ring out in the spanner to go over the line I still could not get it over the nut due to the adjacent nut from the other tap. A visit to the local brew shop on Monday to get the right tool may be in order.

The Kegerator is a no name BF-163, being Beer Fridge and 163 litre... The digital display can only be set to go down to +2C, I believe replacement controller boards are now available that will allow you to set down to -4C if desired.

I have had a look inside the six kegs, they all had pressure from the previous owner, a good clean is required on most of them... As the gas is now ready to go hopefully I will get time tomorrow to fill my first keg and at least fill the head space with CO2.

Cheers
Ron

LandyAndy
3rd December 2013, 08:43 PM
Had a sip yet Ron????
Andrew

tailslide
4th December 2013, 05:41 PM
Technically, yes, but not from a keg.:o

On Sunday when I checked the S.G. it was still a bit high and there was a lot of yeast in suspension. I took a "sip" from the test tube.:D The brew is my second go at a two can ale and is currently 2 1/2 weeks in the fermentor. My first two can was a Little Creatures imitation and I ended up leaving that for four weeks before bottling. These 2 cans seem to start off quickly but have a very long taper. My ale started to bubble the air lock 30mins after pitching the yeast. On the second day it blew out the air lock and filled the top of the lid, first time I have had that happen.:o The brew sits at a constant 24C which is in the mid range for an ale yeast...

Mean while I went to two brew shops on Monday seeking a suitable tower wrench. No such luck... So back home and modified my ring spanner by cutting out approx 1/4 of the ring. I was then able to undo both nuts with the additional helpful cursing... All beer lines are now replaced and ready to go.

I also purchased and installed a replacement controller PCB. In theory I can now select from -4C to +28C instead of +2C to +5C. I'm not too sure about the actual accuracy of the temperature measurement. After I replaced the board the fridge indicated 3C cooler than before I started, and that was with the power off for approx 20mins...:eek: I will obtain a thermometer at some stage to calibrate this but suspect that it is indicating at least 4C cooler than it actually is...

Will check the S.G. on the weekend again. Fortunately I still have a generous supply of full king browns. ;)

Cheers
Ron

LandyAndy
4th December 2013, 08:57 PM
I havent done SG's for years.
Once you get in front with 2 fermenters it doesnt matter if you are a tad premature kegging,the brew can finish in the kegs before they hit the fridge.;););););)
Andrew

LandyAndy
9th December 2013, 09:41 PM
Surely you have cracked and had a taste by now Ron!!!!!
ENJOY
Andrew

tailslide
10th December 2013, 10:03 AM
Surely you have cracked and had a taste by now Ron!!!!!
ENJOY
Andrew
... don't call me Shirley.:D

Surely not, believe it or not, the brew is still bubbling away.:o This is week 3-4 and still bubbling approx 3 times per minute. This is the same pattern as my previous two can. After the initial rush in the first week things quieten down to a stop and then at about two weeks they kick off again till approx four weeks. Mind you, after four weeks the beer is very clear.;)

So at this stage the plan is to keg it on the weekend if it has finally stopped fermenting. At this rate I will not get a second brew in a keg before Christmas. So I will be experimenting with the family dinner, nothing like a bit of pressure. :p(pun intended.)

On the good side I have the fridge stabilised at +1C. Currently keeping soft drink and homebrew bottles cool.

I will have to post a photo of my fist pour when I finally happens...

Cheers
Ron

LandyAndy
10th December 2013, 09:10 PM
Could explain why I have had the squirts since converting to twocan mixes:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Beer tastes good,farts are good,no strain on the dunny.WIN WIN WIN:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

tailslide
16th December 2013, 05:35 PM
Today was time to fill the keg, finally.:) It will be kept out of the fridge for another week to give the yeast a chance to clean up the beer.

I have had my first pour, of H2O... I have filled one keg with water and put it on tap. At least the missus can see some value in my latest acquisition.:wasntme:

I decided that it would be a shame to run out of CO2 in the middle of a party or family gathering. So stumped up for a second bottle and reg, it has the added benefit of being free from the fridge and has already been used to fill the head space of my first beer keg.;) I'm the type that runs two LPG cylinders for the BBQ.:angel:

Counting down to refrigeration and pouring...

Cheers
Ron

isuzurover
16th December 2013, 05:54 PM
Ron,bear in mind the beer in the keg will need to get to 4degC or lower before it will absorb any CO2,it can take close on a week to get a decent gas into the beer....

I figured a co2 solubility graph may help here:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/12/369.jpg
http://tapintohach.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/untitled2.png

This is for a pressure of 1 bar (15 psi). Higher/lower pressures will of course shift the curves up/down.

tailslide
16th December 2013, 10:23 PM
To rush or not to rush, that is the question... :unsure:

Mission, have a beer on tap for Christmas, would mean cooling the keg on Wednesday for a weeks worth of gassing. I'm thinking it may be best to not rush it, I do have plenty of bottled beer ready for drinking.

Or if I do rush it and upon tasting decide that the yeast needs a few more weeks to clean up do you think there will be enough viable yeast cells left to do the job after it has been chilled?

The brew has been fermenting for 4 and a bit weeks now, having been kegged today.

Cheers
Ron

isuzurover
16th December 2013, 11:44 PM
...

The brew has been fermenting for 4 and a bit weeks now, having been kegged today.

Cheers
Ron

4 weeks ferment is more then enough. Gas it up!

LandyAndy
18th December 2013, 10:02 PM
Gas it up!!!
Get another couple of brews going,seeing you admit to being a double up man;););););)
ENJOY
Andrew

tailslide
18th December 2013, 11:33 PM
It is in the fridge and on the gas. :BigThumb:

Meanwhile, the H2O stopped flowing today, it appears that ice forms in the line below 0C.:p

And yes, another brew is on the go. This time a Coopers Dark Ale.

I did pour half a glass today, tastes a bit young but I can live with it. By the time I fill the other four kegs they will be aged nicely.

Cheers
Ron

LandyAndy
19th December 2013, 09:21 PM
Ron.
I have been making some Muntons and Woodfordes 2 can brews from Bootleg in Maddington.
Great beers,the Admaril and Wherry in the Woodforde are really good.So to are the Muntons dark ales,several choices there.
ENJOY
Andrew

tailslide
21st December 2013, 03:43 PM
Gas it up!!!
Get another couple of brews going,seeing you admit to being a double up man;););););)
ENJOY
Andrew

Hi Andrew,

I just reread your post, my two cans are in one 23L brew.;) One "normal" can and one Liquid Malt Extract of a style to suit the brew. The LME replaces the 1kg of sugar or DME, and does not have any hop oil added to it. Hence the brew is not too bitter.

I'm not sure if i could get away with having two brews on the go...:angel:

The keg is showing signs of getting gassed up.:D

Cheers
Ron

p.s. This is my 500th post.

LandyAndy
21st December 2013, 09:42 PM
Well done on the 500th.
Best pour a beer to celebrate;););););)
Enjoying my first homebrew in a few days.
Work Xmas do thu nite and Debs Xmas do last nite.
Andrew

tailslide
8th January 2014, 11:34 PM
Well I have finished my first keg.:D Of water.:p Cold bubbly water has been a treat over the Christmas break.

Now a question in regard to the other, more important keg, in the system.:angel: I'm getting a glass of froth on the first pour of the day, subsequent glasses, even with 30minute intervals, are good with a little satisfying head that quickly resolves.

Temp of the keg is approx 2C and running 12psi. I'm wondering if the length of "warm" beer line inside the tower is an issue or is there something else that I should be looking at tweaking? i.e. temp or pressure.

At this stage I just sip a bit of froth off the first glass, wait a minute, and fill.:angel:

Cheers
Ron

simonmelb
9th January 2014, 02:16 PM
Hi Ron,

Your temp and pressure is fine - this equates to ~2.7 Volumes of CO2 dissolved.

You can either chill your lines/tower to the tap or enjoy froth in the first glass! Your subsequent well poured glasses indicate your line diameter and length is OK.

Cheers
Simon

LandyAndy
11th January 2014, 07:40 PM
Ron
I havent had any experience with those kegarators,suggest sending a PM to Beefy to see how his goes.Warm beer will froth so I guess cooloing the tower somehow will help.
I freeze my pint glasses,nothing like the icecream headache you get from the first slurp,just had a ripper;););););) First homebrew in over a week as we were in Albany,bloody nice too!!!!
Was drinking Boags Premium Lager down there,love it,would like to brew it.
Couldnt get the two can mixes Ive been buying(Muntons/Woodfordes) so Ive bought 4 cans of Thomas Coopers to try as a 2 can with no sugar,2xAustralian Bitter,2xIndia Pale Ale.
Works out pretty similar in cost,see how the quality is.
Andrew

Ovadahill
14th January 2014, 12:33 AM
Was bought a keg set up for Christmas, now just have to set up and get brewing again. But while down at the local home brew shop I came across a complete kegerator system brand new fridge and all for no more than the cost of a setup with a 2nd hand fridge. The interesting thing about it is it had a line running from inside the fridge to the tower to keep it chilled as well, probably a similar set up to how the pubs run.

tailslide
14th January 2014, 12:51 AM
I have been doing a bit of research on the net at it appears that I am not alone...:p The two options, that are not exclusive, are; use a length of 1/2" copper water pipe to sleeve each beer line, and air cool the font with a fan inside a jiffy box and flexible conduit placed up the centre of the tower.

Another common "issue" that I have is that the displayed temp on the kegerator is not close (approx reading 5 degrees too cool) to the actual temp of the contents of the keg... I need to relocate the temp sensor. (And I was doubting my thermocouple and Fluke meter for its higher temp reading...:angel:)

Commercial fonts can be flooded with glycol and/or the snake has a glycol line to keep the run cool.

Cheers
Ron

LandyAndy
15th January 2014, 10:44 PM
Needing an invite to an AA meeting yet Ronald??????
:wasntme::wasntme::wasntme::wasntme::wasntme::wasn tme::wasntme::wasntme:
Andrew

tailslide
16th January 2014, 12:39 AM
There was a meeting last week at work...:angel::wasntme::angel: They meet in the next block.:D
Although as of this week I am now working at the new Fiona Stanley Hospital, no patients till October. Strange being in a big hospital campus with not many people around.

I'm a brewer, I haven't brewed since the 16/12/13. But I did keg it tonight.:BigThumb:
It was a Coopers Dark Ale, tomorrow night I will be starting another Little Creature Pale Ale replica, two cans and added hops.

I haven't finished my first keg yet but when I do I will look into some cooling mods for the font.

Cheers
Ron

Aussie Drifters
24th January 2014, 08:25 PM
Gday Ron, I have been home brewing for 15 years or so and I run 3 50lt brewery kegs in my system.
When I first started out I was carbonating my kegs using a CO2 cylinder. It can be very hit and miss, either too gassy (foamy beer) or flat. It is hard to find the perfect balance.
What I do now is to naturally carbonate the beer in the keg, just like a big 50 liter stubby! The formula for keg carbonation is to add 4 grams of sugar per liter, so for me I just drop 200 g of sugar into the keg and then fill, seal and then shake it a bit to stir things up.
This method requires the temperature to be in the range to allow a secondary fermentation (16+)
I am sold on this method now, perfect carbonation levels every time and saving the hassle and cost of force carbonation.
I hope this helps