Monster 6 Turbo Diesel into a 101. [Archive] - Page 2

nrs91

23rd February 2014, 09:15 AM

Not far at all... I have Dan the apprentice pushing to fire it up.... He turned up with batteries today!!... but, I want to finish everything correctly. I'll prob look to getting the transfer box together tomorrow, and the final bits of machining to make the t'fer fit the main box. (Ill b able to wrap the other ZF to LT thread up then!).. Rad hoses, fan boss, vacuum pump bracketry, heater hoses, and air valve to control the compressor (Nick has told me what valve I need) to do. Once the transfer box is on then it'll be muffler system on and stand back!!! :D Can't wait to hear the 6 pot rumble!! :twisted:

im expecting videos mate ;)
and yep D2 Governor Valve if anybody else needs to know
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/209.jpg

Sitec

23rd February 2014, 11:29 AM

Here's a pic taken 5 min ago.. Think its fair to say I couldn't have got it any higher without some serious panel modification!! :D

Sitec

23rd February 2014, 08:49 PM

Bits and bobs day today.. Tank breathers re connected, 12v circuits tested. IGN and start supply's connected to the two relays that will run the 24v circuit...(one for alternator supply, injection pump supply and start relay supply's and the other for starting). Gearbox center bolt manufactured and ready for a small amount of machining so it fits up the center of the LT input gear. Rear support mount plate made, painted and bushed... (Pic included).

spongie

24th February 2014, 02:39 AM

Do the bushes allow much movement?

Sitec

24th February 2014, 06:04 AM

Do the bushes allow much movement?

Hopefully.. Its located in the center, so in theory there shouldn't be too much movement.. Its more for support as the gearbox mounts on the ZF are on the bell housing. With the LT hung off the rear I thought it was asking a bit much of the center mounts.. :)

Sitec

28th February 2014, 11:42 AM

Here's a better shot of the rear bush setup. All being well, It'll be fitted this weekend! :)

Sitec

28th February 2014, 11:45 AM

Here's the pair of new batteries in situ, in their new home behind the LH tank..... Ready for starting at the weekend!!

Sitec

28th February 2014, 11:53 AM

Here's the State Side sourced vacuum pump, along with the Cummins fan pulley which I've modified by adding a vee belt pulley to drive the vacuum pump. I'll be making the mounting plate tonight..

Nick S

28th February 2014, 12:31 PM

Fantastic project Simon, I've loved watching it develop, looking forward to the video of the 101 doing burnouts on the weekend after you fire it up!!
Nick

Steve Td5 130

28th February 2014, 11:19 PM

Hi Bud

Looking good

Thoughts for the week:D:D

Hope you don't forget to register for Melrose in your frantic race to be ready in time for the Show and Mick's unavailing

Cheers

Steve

Sitec

1st March 2014, 01:06 PM

So, last night was spent making the bracket to mount the vacuum pump. Its now in situ, along with the dipstick tube which is accessible via the radiator fill point.

Sitec

1st March 2014, 01:13 PM

This morning has been spent playing with coolant hoses. The heater hoses are in and all but done. Just the joint below the top hose at the engine end to fit. I'm holding off on this until I've made the link hose from engine to rad. Once this is done, I'll secure the heater hose to the top hose clearing the gear linkage. Here's the steel link/conversion pipe which is part of the bottom hose. The 6Bt's bottom outlet is 65 mm, and I now have a pair of 45mm outlets on the rad. :) More to follow tonight if (huge if) Telstra are behaving. Our local tower is overloaded, and they are a bunch of un interested muppets!! Photo of the lower hose.

Sitec

1st March 2014, 05:18 PM

So, after bleeding it, topping up the coolant etc, and triple checking everything, time has come to see if all my mods work! Turn the key and it starts! Compressor is noisy as it is yet to be connected. :)

Mick_Marsh

1st March 2014, 05:50 PM

Far out!
Very, very impressive.
I've been following the thread and it's a very good read.
Well done. I bet you were smiling like the Cheshire Cat when it started.

Homestar

1st March 2014, 06:39 PM

It lives!:). What a milestone. Great job.

Now I want to see a vid of you driving it around.:)

DasLandRoverMan

1st March 2014, 07:06 PM

Excellent stuff!!! Very tidy job mate, it should look/sound awesome charging along the road.

Sitec

2nd March 2014, 12:50 PM

Last night was spent trying to get the large nut that retains one of the center diff bearings removed.. It seems in his wisdom, the PO decided to use Locktite instead of bending in the locking part of the nut. Even heat wouldn't shift it so the grinder will shortly! This morning was spent fitting the nylon boss to the front pulley having drilled it to match the the hub and fan. I've also shortened each fan blade by 40mm so it'll fit!!

Sitec

2nd March 2014, 01:00 PM

Once the fan was fitted, I fitted the muffler, and am now able to give it a good run. To stop the oil running out of the rear of the box I fitted the transfer input gear and 'special' nut. I wanted to run it for half an hour at 1/2 throttle to watch for leaks, test cooling etc. With it running and at working temp, the temp gauge goes up just past the 85 deg mark, (88) then the thermostat opens and it drops back to 85. Half an hour later it was still fine, the fan is shifting plenty of air and the bottom of the rad is remaining cool which is good. What the test run did throw up tho is that the oil from the gearbox is tracking up the splines and out thru the holes in the input gear.. Thought I'd check the breather. Well and truly blocked. This has now been rectified, but Im going to fit some sort of 'O' ring seal to the nut to eliminate oil passage. (At least the LT230 would never b short of oil!!:D)

nrs91

3rd March 2014, 05:50 AM

lookin good bud, keep it up!

Yorkie

6th March 2014, 08:09 PM

Someone's a happy chappy tonight! :D

Well done simon, you have done a great job. :cool:

Sitec

6th March 2014, 08:59 PM

Well, the transfer box is rebuilt and in!!! The handbrake assy is on, along with the props.. Oil is in, the muffler is fitted so its 'stand back' time!!!! :D With a turn of the key and removal of the chock (handbrake linkage tomorrow eve), we're off!!! Momentarily forgetting the welded gear, welded props, etc etc etc, I find the right foot buried to the floor and I'm off up the road at what seems fairly fast!! Gearing is nice and tall (first is needed when taking off), and 5th has things flashing by at a decent rate with engine revs at a high idle.. (Just ask Yorkie!!!! He was daft enough to sit next to me on the second blast! :D) We were both hanging on as we flew down the dirt with no rear body, no roof, no doors, no engine or gearbox covers.... There will be a video soon! Think its time to finish it off now. Jobs still to do.. Fit the D2 Air Governor which controls the compressor (Thanks Nick for the advice.. Ebay came up trumps at $20!! Cheep I thought.) finish the air pipework, investigate why the brakes are not as good as they were.. (Vacuum issue), refit the rear body, doors, etc etc etc, and then we'll do a decent blast! :p

Disco Muppet

6th March 2014, 09:12 PM

Awesome!

I think I'm going to have to make an effort to see this in person some time... :D

Sitec

6th March 2014, 09:16 PM

Awesome!

I think I'm going to have to make an effort to see this in person some time... :D

Well, I'll aim to look you up when Im over! If it was finished a few weeks earlier, we'd have headed over to Corowa!! :)

Homestar

6th March 2014, 09:18 PM

Awesome!

I think I'm going to have to make an effort to see this in person some time... :D

Melrose is not far away. Start packing.:)

puma130tc

6th March 2014, 09:30 PM

Great work Simon!
Look forward to catching up at Melrose, if I don't get to see you before..
Peter.

Brute

6th March 2014, 10:36 PM

Looking great Simon,
Mines still coming together slowly, hopefully it's going to start cooling down a bit over here so might be more inclined to spend more time in the shed.

We were planning to make the pilgrimage to Melrose to meet you guys but have the rangy in a winch comp the week after so might see about next year.

Cheers

Ian

nrs91

7th March 2014, 04:42 AM

Sitec

7th March 2014, 06:00 AM

lookin good mate... video is a must!
that valve was cheap... mine was £45 new.
Im tempted to have a vacuum reserviour and hook it up to compressor intake... mine arent as good as id want either with all that power...

you enjoy it now... get a power pin in and wind the pump up... youl be grinning like you belong in a padded cell...

This the one you're talking about???

Dodge Cummins Diesel Fuel PIN 1989 1993 Gain 40 HP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300456477664'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

I'll tweak the pump first and see how we go! :)

nrs91

7th March 2014, 06:25 AM

thats the one but shop around!

Dougal

7th March 2014, 07:47 AM

This the one you're talking about???

Dodge Cummins Diesel Fuel PIN 1989 1993 Gain 40 HP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300456477664'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

I'll tweak the pump first and see how we go! :)

The guys on 4BTswaps have bench-tested 4BT and 6BT VE pumps to provide ~180cc/1000 shots of diesel without aftermarket fuel pins.

180cc/1000 shots is enough for over 1000Nm and 300kw. But you need to provide around 50psi boost.

What I'm saying is. You've got more than enough fuel on tap already. Tuning it in correctly is the only thing you need to do and you need an EGT gauge and boost gauge for that.

nrs91

7th March 2014, 07:58 AM

The guys on 4BTswaps have bench-tested 4BT and 6BT VE pumps to provide ~180cc/1000 shots of diesel without aftermarket fuel pins.

180cc/1000 shots is enough for over 1000Nm and 300kw. But you need to provide around 50psi boost.

What I'm saying is. You've got more than enough fuel on tap already. Tuning it in correctly is the only thing you need to do and you need an EGT gauge and boost gauge for that.

fuel pin is not just in the extra fuelling but also in the profile... kicks in nicely to kick turbo in...
Ive maxxed pump, bigger injectors and fuel pin n running 45psi so by your reckoning i should be laying plenty of power down... but big intercooler needed to see that potential and better cam

Dougal

7th March 2014, 08:12 AM

fuel pin is not just in the extra fuelling but also in the profile... kicks in nicely to kick turbo in...
Ive maxxed pump, bigger injectors and fuel pin n running 45psi so by your reckoning i should be laying plenty of power down... but big intercooler needed to see that potential and better cam

Most fuel pins are just about making smoke. Effectively disabling the boost compensator.

If you're running 45psi on the stock single turbo, then measuring drive pressure (exhaust manifold) will show you where all your power is going. I suspect it'll be an exhaust brake. Particularly if you have blocked the wastegate.

Forget the cam, but definitely need a huge intercooler. Compound turbos will be needed to eliminate your bottle-neck.
The next problem is feeding enough air in. Air filters which can actually filter big volumes of air get huge fast.

DasLandRoverMan

7th March 2014, 08:34 PM

Top job Simon, nothing beats the first hoon after fitting a new engine!!!

nrs91

8th March 2014, 06:21 AM

Most fuel pins are just about making smoke. Effectively disabling the boost compensator.

If you're running 45psi on the stock single turbo, then measuring drive pressure (exhaust manifold) will show you where all your power is going. I suspect it'll be an exhaust brake. Particularly if you have blocked the wastegate.

Forget the cam, but definitely need a huge intercooler. Compound turbos will be needed to eliminate your bottle-neck.
The next problem is feeding enough air in. Air filters which can actually filter big volumes of air get huge fast.

fuel pin i have still has a profile so will do the job nicely

im on a bigger wastegated turbo, normally dont push to 45psi... keep it around 30-35psi as it goes well enough as is!
no room for an intercooler tbh i want charge cooler though...

no issues with filter here ;)

87County

8th March 2014, 08:55 AM

Thanks for taking the time to document this project Simon, we have all undoubtedly enjoyed following it, and have been impressed with the pace at which you achieve progress - I'm afraid that lot of the projects/ideas of gurus and experts have remained in the clouds for so long that they may never come "down to earth" (or to fruition for that matter :)).

Sitec

8th March 2014, 01:06 PM

No problem! I've enjoyed doing it, and once done, the rest of the vehicles upgrades will be shared in the 'Sitec's 101' thread. Finishing air lines this avo then hopefully get the rear tray back on too! :)

Sitec

8th March 2014, 07:48 PM

So, yesterday arvo was spent battling with Adelaide traffic, driving down to see Pete at PCB Land Rovers. As luck would have it, he had a Ser 3 LWB brake master cylinder on the shelf! Not only that, he has a stunning 101 rolling chassis with an Isuzu, 5 speed and a few other beautifully crafted extras in his workshop.... So, come on Pete... We need a new project thread as this one is all but done! ;)

Ok, this morning was spent fitting up the 1"/25mm bore Brake Master Cylinder in place of the original 3/4"/19mm Master Cylinder. Once bled, the clutch now operated correctly... but hell was it heavy! This lead to the next job of fitting up the rest of the air system. Luckily I had two new lengths of ready made heavy duty hydraulic hoses that happened to match the thread on the compressor and tank! Easy. Then the pipework was all connected.... Clutch, Gauge, D2 Govenor, and Nitto Airline connection beside the tank. I've also run the 25mm hose that will be used to shatter the peace at Melrose K5LA style!!! :p. A quick run to check for leaks and we're all gud! Pressure builds up to 130 psi, then there's a little hiss and the compressor bypasses. Pressure drops to 90 and the compressor cuts back in. Continuous air, so Im happy! Not only that, the clutch is nice and lite again!! Next was the refit of the rear tray, along with running the battery leads and air tank feed. With the tray on, and most of it back together, it was time for a decent run. On with the doors, lower sides and a spare and off we go. I figured that I need to see if the gear is going to survive, so off we go at a pace.. A bloody good pace at that. Gearing is spot on, 4 th is the 'driving' gear for really throwing it around and 5 th is perfect for cruising and/or really going for it as 140kph is achievable! With one turn to increase the fuel on the high pressure pump, the difference is huge. It really picks its feet up, and can hold 100kph and 5th gear up over the local hill headed to Williamstown..(something that was a 3rd gear flat out at 85 in the 130!!).

Jobs left to do are mount the hi/lo cable, diff lock warning light wires, make something to operate the CDL, and manufacture a new gearbox cover as there's about 200mm of engine in the load area that was not there before!! :twisted:. I also need to check the vacuum pump as the servo does not seem to be working as well as it was.... More to follow when it happens!! :)

DasLandRoverMan

8th March 2014, 07:53 PM

Quality job!!! When do we get to see some video of it out of the road?

Sitec

8th March 2014, 08:13 PM

Quality job!!! When do we get to see some video of it out of the road?

Hopefully over the next few days. Have got a mate coming ova with his GoPro, so will try and get a vid happening soon! Wanna wrap the job up properly before I get tempted to start tanking around the place! Tho, if the 30kms this arvo are anything to go by Im not doing too well!!! :D

nrs91

9th March 2014, 12:06 AM

sounds awesome!
cant wait for vids!
any indication on fuel consumption yet?

Sitec

9th March 2014, 10:00 AM

sounds awesome!
cant wait for vids!
any indication on fuel consumption yet?

Not done enough distance to get an MPG figure yet, but, having had an avo of blasting around locally, the fuel gauge didn't move! It would have gone with the V8!! :D

DasLandRoverMan

9th March 2014, 07:41 PM

So you could say in terms of consumption it's gone from 'Irish Squaddie' to 'Home Counties wine taster'?

Let's see some more photos of the near finished job out in the sun at least!!!

Sitec

10th March 2014, 04:52 PM

So you could say in terms of consumption it's gone from 'Irish Squaddie' to 'Home Counties wine taster'?

Let's see some more photos of the near finished job out in the sun at least!!!

Wine taster! Like that! Mick the wine taster!! He fits in really... More efficient than SWMBO when it comes to wine!!! :D Anyway, as requested, pics.. The sunny ones will come this week with the GoPro trip! Here's the gearbox cover in the process of being built.. I would have had to ruin the old one to make it work so deemed the start from scratch option was better. Floor cut out of 3mm alli..

Sitec

10th March 2014, 04:55 PM

And one of the cover framework tacked up and in position. (Now welded, painted, and the sheets are cut.. Just waiting on tomorrow morn, where I'll use the works folder to make them fit!) :)
I could have spent hours following the rear of the engine and giving me a different shape to gain 200mm, but this was easy, and Im never going to have two Euro Pallets of ammo in there... Just logs, dogs etc!! :D

Sitec

10th March 2014, 04:59 PM

And here's a shot as 'Mick' stands (3 front leaves) with the ROPS back on, rear tray on etc etc. A good stance, not sagging at the nose with the weight of the Cummins. Peter Brown came for a look yesterday, and we went for a blast up the road. He approved and thought it was 'just right', so Im very pleased. Have to say, his Td5 90 sounds and goes fantastic!! :)

Homestar

10th March 2014, 05:43 PM

Looks spot on Simon. Are the 2 spares in the back to make the back suspension do some work? I would think the front is sorted weight wise now - does it buck a bit from the back on bumps?

DasLandRoverMan

10th March 2014, 06:16 PM

Very inspiring, and with a full DIY guide to the job included...

Engine and box available from £500...

Homestar

10th March 2014, 06:36 PM

Sooooo tempting..... :D

Mick_Marsh

10th March 2014, 06:45 PM

Sooooo tempting..... :D
Want me to look for a 101 you could do this to? I think I could find one.

Homestar

10th March 2014, 07:00 PM

You know what the result would be if I bought another one home. Yes, I won't be doing it to mine - It will always stay the way it is, but boy it is tempting....:D

DasLandRoverMan

10th March 2014, 07:40 PM

My truck leaves me with no such qualms...

amazing

10th March 2014, 08:00 PM

great job.

fuel cap should be painted yellow now...;)

Sitec

10th March 2014, 08:26 PM

great job.

fuel cap should be painted yellow now...;)

Hadn't thought of that! Might just have to happen! :)

Gav. Spares are there to put a bit of weight at the back. Wanted to see where the rear prop runs with both wheels at the back. Now the tray is on, I needn't have worried. Prop angles are good, no rumbles on overrun, but, the spares do help. Once they're mounted on rear swingaways it'll help even more! No bucking tho. Surprisingly stable on the dirt too.. A lot more so than the 130 was! :)

roobar_and_custard

10th March 2014, 08:31 PM

Well possibly one of the most impressive conversions in a long time, and so fast too!
The quality of the fabrication is second to none. "Well done" somehow sounds lame when compared to the effort put in.
Ian.

Sitec

10th March 2014, 08:53 PM

I think half the enjoyment is the challenge of making it work, and each thing that comes up gets dealt with. I knew I had a good chance of making it fit, but am glad I stuck with this engine combo not an Isuzu... A 6Bdt would have been hard work, as everything seems back to front... With the Cummins, the exhaust manifold and turbo etc are on the 'right' side... the prop side, which is the wider side. Any Land Rover conversion always has the engine biased to the left of the vehicle as the drive is on the right.. and this worked with the Cummins 6Bt. The issues with the left were the compressor and the fuel injection pump. The compressor is tight but I got away with it by moving the engine further back. The fuel injection pump is the closest thing to the bodywork (10mm from LH seat base, but torque movement pulls it away from the seat so this is good!!:p). Had the engine had the larger in line pump, it would have been a very different story! With the Isuzu the turbo, manifold etc is on the left which means it has to be all moved to fit. I'm glad its had a good following, and think we'll all be needing another project to follow!! I'll shortly be reviving the "Sitec's 101" thread with a new bumper, rear wheel carriers, power steering, twin snorkels, and a few other things so that'll keep me busy for a bit! :D

buffaroo

10th March 2014, 10:43 PM

Out standing work, cant wait to see something on you tube of it pulling up a hill

spongie

11th March 2014, 12:42 AM

So so so cool! I want this truck

Sitec

12th March 2014, 06:22 PM

great job.

fuel cap should be painted yellow now...;)

Now sporting a yellow filler cap, here's a pic with the new tilt/canvas.. Not the best of fits, but it'll have to do until the hardtop gets built! The distance from screen front to sides is a little short (25mm), and the rear flap is about 50mm too long.. Luckily/hopefully my rego plate will hold it up on the hooks!! We also had fun with the GoPro tonight, so once a video is assembled you'll see it here soon after!! :D

DasLandRoverMan

12th March 2014, 07:04 PM

Envy.

That is all.

spongie

13th March 2014, 01:14 AM

Envy.

That is all.
DOUBLE envy

that is also all

amazing

13th March 2014, 06:06 PM

nice yellow....:D
now where is the locking strap....

tilt is a left hand drive one I see.

Sitec

13th March 2014, 06:23 PM

nice yellow....:D
now where is the locking strap....

tilt is a left hand drive one I see.

I'll get round to doing the locking strap one day... though they'd have fun getting diesel out of my tanks, as a little drive and most of the right tanks contents gets forced into the left!
As for the canvas.. Neither... No hole for the spare, just a small window either side which suits my application fine as both spares will be going on the rear soon. :)

101RRS

13th March 2014, 06:26 PM

You should have got a tilt with the flap just behind the driver - in summer you can open it and it really helps with ventilation and cooling of the cabin area.

Garry

amazing

13th March 2014, 06:31 PM

cool.:cool:

makes me miss mine..a lot.

Sitec

13th March 2014, 07:51 PM

You should have got a tilt with the flap just behind the driver - in summer you can open it and it really helps with ventilation and cooling of the cabin area.

Garry

I found with the old tilt (for the few months with the 101 on the road) that I ran with the door tops removed, the top side board removed and the tilts three sides rolled up. :)

Sitec

16th March 2014, 03:54 PM

Ok, managed to do a few jobs today. Refitted the speedo cable. It is long enough... Just!! I've also made up some linkage etc to connect the handbrake. Using the original 101 steel rod, I welded an eye on the gearbox end, and drilled two supporting holes in the RH gearbox chassis mount to allow the rod to pass thru. This fell short of the LT handbrake drum actuation rod by about 350mm, and sat 120mm higher than the eye on the drum, so using a shaped steel tube that's bolted to the LT 230, I've run some flexible trailer brake high tensile wire thru the tube and thru each eye, clamping it up in a loop. Seems to work well! :)

amazing

16th March 2014, 05:51 PM

never saddle a dead horse.:p

spongie

16th March 2014, 07:03 PM

Tut tut. Need to sort that chap :(

Sitec

16th March 2014, 07:16 PM

Saddle a dead horse? Sort what? Ya both have lost me!

spongie

16th March 2014, 08:05 PM

The clips are not as secure that way round the saddle should be on the working end not the dead end.

Sitec

16th March 2014, 08:15 PM

The clips are not as secure that way round the saddle should be on the working end not the dead end.

Well there ya go! Learn something every day, and I didn't know there was a right way and a wrong way for these things.. Makes sense when you think about it! Cheers! Will rectify it tomorrow! :)

DasLandRoverMan

17th March 2014, 06:25 AM

So when's the video coming up? Or must we content ourselves with the Aussie GP as the only high speed motoring action to come out of the country this weekend?

spongie

19th March 2014, 05:24 PM

Right come on! SI, you've had plenty long enough anyone would think you've got a day job or something stopping you from playing with the 101 and videoing the drive!

Hurry along now fella ;-)

Sitec

19th March 2014, 06:27 PM

Working on it... The friend with the GO Pro has been away training for a few days so not been about. He's not happy with the footage he's got as there's a lot of static/vibration noise so we will be getting to it this weekend.. Patience team! There's a lot of crap videos on YouTube, and Im planning not to add to it!! Will do a dodgy phone one for you as a stop gap! :)

nrs91

20th March 2014, 04:12 AM

There's a lot of crap videos on YouTube, and Im planning not to add to it!! Will do a dodgy phone one for you as a stop gap! :)

How rude ;)

Sitec

22nd March 2014, 12:59 PM

Here's a little vid of the first run out. It happened to be the night Yorkie and his family were here. Thanks guys for the vid and hope we find you well in your travels! :)

The other bid is still in the making, and as I have the vehicle in bits, it will be a few weeks now. Have other stuff to do ready for the Melrose and beyond trip.:)

87County

22nd March 2014, 03:46 PM

it's a bit asian I think (sideways?)

Mick_Marsh

22nd March 2014, 04:03 PM

Well, he does live in "The Hills" and some are rather steep.

DasLandRoverMan

22nd March 2014, 06:00 PM

And to think we were always told everything in Australia is upside down?
Looking good though, and plenty of plagiarising to be done, along with a little learning as to which decisions were right first time.

Yorkie

22nd March 2014, 08:27 PM

It was a honour to see its first run, you could sense Simons excitement, we have a longer a vid but it has kids saying stuff like 'it runs' and wife saying 'what's that burning smell' haha :)

nrs91

23rd March 2014, 02:12 AM

spot on Si... looks mean... will deffo come find ya next time im in Aussie!

Sitec

23rd March 2014, 09:39 AM

spot on Si... looks mean... will deffo come find ya next time im in Aussie!

You'd be welcome too! Plan to time my first visit back to the UK with a Brunch and Banter meet if that's ok too!! :)

nrs91

23rd March 2014, 09:41 AM

You'd be welcome too! Plan to time my first visit back to the UK with a Brunch and Banter meet if that's ok too!! :)

sure buddy ya can jump in the wagon with me and tag along :)

rene101

29th March 2014, 05:38 PM

nrs91

29th March 2014, 07:48 PM

Hi Sitec,
If a may ask do you have some information for me about the nissan 6 cil diesel, what type of engine, gearbox, transferbox did you use? A few years ago I put a 300tdi in my 101FCGS, but is lacking the power that I expected from it, so I 'm looking for something else.

Nissan? wash your mouth out with soap! CUMMINS :D
N the little 2.5l landy lumps are fine for pottering about but trying to move the flat fronted 101s i think they are found lacking but better than 3.5 v8 haha

Sitec

29th March 2014, 10:24 PM

Hi Sitec,
Came across this story via facebook. Couldn't believe that this would fit into a 101 :D . If a may ask do you have some information for me about the nissan 6 cil diesel, what type of engine, gearbox, transferbox did you use? A few years ago I put a 300tdi in my 101FCGS, but is lacking the power that I expected from it, so I 'm looking for something else.

Kind regards,
Rene
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Hi Rene! And welcome to the forum and this section. I've read about a few Tdi powered 101s, and one of the 3 I looked at was a Tdi, and yes, having got used to 5.9 litres of Cummins, I think I'd struggle with a Tdi powered 101. Ok, the Nissan engine I used in my old 101 was a Nissan/UD 5.7 6 cylinder truck/bus engine. They are found in older Nissan and International trucks over here in Oz. they came in non turbo form (FD6), and the Turbo Version was the FD6t. They were a very different engine from the Cummins Im running now as they were much more free revving.. I ran my engine in front of the original 101 gearbox (LT95) but moved it back 150mm and altered the props to suit. (This also got rid of the dreaded 101 prop rumble too). I raised the Salisbury Diff ratio from 5.7:1 to 4.7:1 (rear Salisbury diffs out of Ser 3 LWB, and use your original centers and bearings). I also ran an overdrive, but this didn't like the big diesel, so I'd suggest higher ratio transfer gears in the original transfer box. BUT..... You will struggle to find one of these engines in the UK/Europe as they were only fitted to a very few busses, are old now and probably all long gone.. In my view, you have a few options... Option 1:- Td5 and R380 5 speed gearbox. Tune the Td5 correctly and it will go very well in a 101. (It has been done here in Oz and we are still eagerly awaiting the owner to to come say hi and start a thread about it!!! ;)..). Option 2:- If you are set on a Nissan Engine, then find a crash damaged Nissan Patrol GQ with the 4.2 litre 6 cylinder Turbo Diesel engine. Utilise the gearbox and transfer box, and just mod the props and diff ratios.... (If you wish to retain the full time four wheel drive as std on a 101, use an LT 230 Land Rover transfer case with the 1.222:1 ratio and Defender Salisbury diff centers (3.54:1 ratio.. You will need the center as well, and then fit your center gears to the new diff center). Option 3:- Cummins 6Bt and ZF5-42 gearbox out of a Leyland Daf 45 truck from the UK.. (Cheep at around £1000.... Ok, this is the daft option, and by far the most work, but it'll sound awesome, go like a cut snake, and become a talking point!! Just ask Nick (nrs91) and I!!

Realistically, Option 1 and or 2 are the best, and most refined. You'd get nice power, smooth usable engines and reasonable fuel economy. The Td5 would be a lot better on fuel than the Nissan, as the TD42 is indirect injection, so they tend to consume more fuel. Both sound nice, and can be made to sound awesome! I would steer clear of larger 4 cylinder diesels as they have plenty of power, but their torque is very course (distructive)... There are many this side of the water who swear by the Isuzu 4Bd1 engine, and a friend locally is fitting one to a 101 as we speak. They are a good engine, just not my choice. Hope this little lot helps, and get a thread going about your 101 as we'd love to know more! Cheers for now! :)

nrs91

30th March 2014, 08:06 AM

Hi Rene! And welcome to the forum and this section. I've read about a few Tdi powered 101s, and one of the 3 I looked at was a Tdi, and yes, having got used to 5.9 litres of Cummins, I think I'd struggle with a Tdi powered 101. Ok, the Nissan engine I used in my old 101 was a Nissan/UD 5.7 6 cylinder truck/bus engine. They are found in older Nissan and International trucks over here in Oz. they came in non turbo form (FD6), and the Turbo Version was the FD6t. They were a very different engine from the Cummins Im running now as they were much more free revving.. I ran my engine in front of the original 101 gearbox (LT95) but moved it back 150mm and altered the props to suit. (This also got rid of the dreaded 101 prop rumble too). I raised the Salisbury Diff ratio from 5.7:1 to 4.7:1 (rear Salisbury diffs out of Ser 3 LWB, and use your original centers and bearings). I also ran an overdrive, but this didn't like the big diesel, so I'd suggest higher ratio transfer gears in the original transfer box. BUT..... You will struggle to find one of these engines in the UK/Europe as they were only fitted to a very few busses, are old now and probably all long gone.. In my view, you have a few options... Option 1:- Td5 and R380 5 speed gearbox. Tune the Td5 correctly and it will go very well in a 101. (It has been done here in Oz and we are still eagerly awaiting the owner to to come say hi and start a thread about it!!! ;)..). Option 2:- If you are set on a Nissan Engine, then find a crash damaged Nissan Patrol GQ with the 4.2 litre 6 cylinder Turbo Diesel engine. Utilise the gearbox and transfer box, and just mod the props and diff ratios.... (If you wish to retain the full time four wheel drive as std on a 101, use an LT 230 Land Rover transfer case with the 1.222:1 ratio and Defender Salisbury diff centers (3.54:1 ratio.. You will need the center as well, and then fit your center gears to the new diff center). Option 3:- Cummins 6Bt and ZF5-42 gearbox out of a Leyland Daf 45 truck from the UK.. (Cheep at around £1000.... Ok, this is the daft option, and by far the most work, but it'll sound awesome, go like a cut snake, and become a talking point!! Just ask Nick (nrs91) and I!!

Realistically, Option 1 and or 2 are the best, and most refined. You'd get nice power, smooth usable engines and reasonable fuel economy. The Td5 would be a lot better on fuel than the Nissan, as the TD42 is indirect injection, so they tend to consume more fuel. Both sound nice, and can be made to sound awesome! I would steer clear of larger 4 cylinder diesels as they have plenty of power, but their torque is very course (distructive)... There are many this side of the water who swear by the Isuzu 4Bd1 engine, and a friend locally is fitting one to a 101 as we speak. They are a good engine, just not my choice. Hope this little lot helps, and get a thread going about your 101 as we'd love to know more! Cheers for now! :)

Spot on Si! once youve finished playing around and enjoying the power im certain youl be pleasantly surprised by the increased economy... its the easiest and most quantifyable thing to share over the internet... the pure power is hard to get across :P

Sitec

31st March 2014, 06:23 PM

Ok, so after a few kms now and a lot of pestering from diesel heads at work and next door, the muffler fell off today.. Well, it had a little help with the thin disk.. Now, it sounds awesome, but poss a bit too loud.... Not sure. Going to try it for a bit and see. Here's a phone vid so the sound is not great, but you'll get the idea! :D

nrs91

1st April 2014, 07:32 AM

Sitec

1st April 2014, 07:02 PM

good boy! your learning well! now leave it... sounds perfect!

Actually its driving me nuts, and would prob be a cop magnet even tho its quieter than all the trucks rumbling around here! I must be getting old! Does sound nice tho, but I just need to take that edge off it.. Mods to the silencer me thinks... Just want that "oh, what's in that" look not the "WTF" look! :D

DasLandRoverMan

2nd April 2014, 04:43 AM

Gotta agree with you there chap.

I think I'm getting old too...

nrs91

2nd April 2014, 06:20 AM

Actually its driving me nuts, and would prob be a cop magnet even tho its quieter than all the trucks rumbling around here! I must be getting old! Does sound nice tho, but I just need to take that edge off it.. Mods to the silencer me thinks... Just want that "oh, what's in that" look not the "WTF" look! :D

haha i know what you mean, my stacks are right behind the seats.... abit deafening! lol might put a tiny silencer in... nothing too sound deadening though ;)

Sitec

5th April 2014, 11:20 AM

Well, there's good news and there's bad... The good news is that now the front prop is balanced, the vibration has gone, and the 101 motors well... Very well! I did 200km yesterday, and most of that was at the freeway limit of 110kph. Fuel economy is good at 12lt/100km. I'm happy with that, but power steering will be happening soon after the Melrose trip... If we get there! The bad bit... I now have a diesel leak coming from the top of the Bosch VE pump... Right where the throttle control arm goes in thru the body. One drip every 4 seconds.... Anyone had the top off these pumps, or am I pushing **** up hill thinking I can fix it myself.. It wouldn't be soooo bad if the engine was in a truck or a Defender, but its the closest part of the engine to the body in a 101!!!! :(

Homestar

5th April 2014, 01:25 PM

Well, congratulations and commiserations...:D

Sounds like the whole package works well.

I don't know much about these pumps myself, but a phone call to a specialist could have the answers you need. Over here in Vic, there is a crowd called BSP Diesel - the guys that run it are both ex Cummins mechanics, and know this **** inside out. May pay to ring them - they're very helpful chaps. Call them on 03 9308 7188. Adam and Steve are the guys. They are always full of useful advice - they're the guys that lent me an adaptor to pull the stuck injector out of the L322 recently.

They should be able to tell you if it is a DIY job, or if you're opening a can of worms.

Sitec

5th April 2014, 04:18 PM