Akebono Brake pads- Anyone tried them?

[BSM]

I was in Pedders a while back and the operater was telling me about a new line of brake pads that they now had called Akebono EURO. (http://www.pedders.com.au/new-product-releases/3/0/new-product-release-akebono-euro-brake-pads)

The main selling point (or the one that I took most notice of), was that they don't create that black dust on the alloy wheels.

Just wondering if anybody had tried them on a Disco.

[90 Rangie]

I have them on the front of mine.
Have only done about 3000km but so far seem very good, do seem better after you use them once or twice but still O.K. cold.
have not changed the back yet and the difference in brake dust is unreal.
Front rims clean and rear ones black betwwen washes.
Will fit rear ones in the new year.

[bbyer]

I put Akebono Ultra Premium ceramic pads and solid discs on my petrol V8 LR3 at 147,000 km.

I now have about 178,000 km and no sign of any appreciable wear, and better yet, no black dust. My prior set at about 75,000 km was Land Rover original parts and hence black dust which I got tired of.

The link below is to an xls file I made up re brake parts and alternatives.
Note that the parts numbers are for a petrol V8 LR3, not a diesel engined D3. EUR1098 for the fronts and EUR1099 for the rear pads.

The pedal feel is a bit different, (seems less grabby/softer). As such I tend to think that maybe installing all four corners at the same time may be a consideration.

I regarded the stock solid, not dimpled, slotted or holed rotor style as the least worst of the available alternatives. I do not use my 3 as a race truck but is my every day transport, and yes, a grocery getter.

I note that todays temperature is about -30C and there is a couple of feet of snow around so just getting the groceries can near be an expedition at times.

http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/15405/LR3_Brake_Parts_Pricing_a.xls

Re the jpg, note my 18 inch ten spoke winter wheels with the narrower Pirelli 235 65 R18 XL Ice & Snow tyres installed.

[BSM]

Thanks for that. I'll definitely give them a look when the next brake pad change is due. No more black dust is a definite plus.

[Graeme]

I note that todays temperature is about -30C...
Re the jpg, note my 18 inch ten spoke winter wheels with the narrower Pirelli 235 65 R18 XL Ice & Snow tyres installed.
+40C here today and forecast for the next 4 days too so no need for winter tyres ATM.

[bbyer]

For whatever reason, broadcast on CBC radio this morning was your +40C temperatures. My wife commented on this because of our near -40C temperature early this morning. The weekend is supposed to be a balmy -20C so we are looking forward to the warm up. While not tropical, it is supposed to be sunny as well.

One thing about snow and cold: no bugs, crawlies, or even germs. You are either healthy or frozen.

[PerthDisco]

Changed over to Pedders Discs and Akebono pads. They feel fine and the absolute lack of black dust is incredible.

Not as grabby as the stock pads for sure. I suspect they need a bit of heat in them before working well.

The Pedders stock discs however appear to be more rusty looking very quickly than the previous stock discs. I am regretting this decision potentially.

[rufusking]

You got my interest up but it appears they only do rear pads for the 3.0 diesel!

[BMKal]

Have had them on all four wheels of mine for more than two years now. Had four new genuine Land Rover discs fitted at the same time. So far, virtually no sign of wear on the discs and less than 10% wear on the pads. No black dust, and no issue with braking. If and when I do ever have to replace them, it will be with another set of Akebono's. ;)

[LRD414]

You got my interest up but it appears they only do rear pads for the 3.0 diesel!
Which is very disappointing based on the feedback here.

Scott

[LandyAndy]

Which is very disappointing based on the feedback here.

Scott

That V8 D3 BBYer mentions should have the same fronts shouldnt it????
Andrew

[BMKal]

That V8 D3 BBYer mentions should have the same fronts shouldnt it????
Andrew

According to Akebono website, D3 4.0 litre V6 and 4.4 litre V8 have the same brakes front & rear as the D3 2.7 litre diesel.

All use part #PEUR 1098 pads on front wheels, and #PEUR 1099 pads on rear wheels.

2.7 litre TDV6 diesel D4 (such as mine) uses same pads as above.

3.0 litre TDV6 and SDV6 D4 uses #PEUR 1099 pads on rear wheels, but no pads listed for front wheels.

3.0 litre Supercharged V6 (I assume petrol engine) and 5.0 litre V8 D4's - no pads listed for either front or rear wheels.

[LRD414]

3.0 litre TDV6 and SDV6 D4 uses #PEUR 1099 pads on rear wheels, but no pads listed for front wheels.
Just spoke to the Australian distributor. He would love to sell them but the market is just too small.
The parent company insists on large number of units in USA market before triggering a manufacturing run and that hurdle has not been reached. Same issue with VW Toureg apparently.

Scott

[BMKal]

Bendix advertises a disc pad using Ceramic Technology, and lists parts for 3.0 litre Disco 4's (well at least up to 2012 - don't know if they will fit latest models or not). Haven't heard any feedback on how these perform / compare with Akebono.

But - many years ago in a past life - I was a brake mechanic and workshop supervisor of a brake specialist in Adelaide. We dealt exclusively in Bendix brake lining products at the time, and they were recognized universally as being one of the best on the market. I would probably give them a go myself if I could not get the Akebono products for my vehicle. In fact, we're looking at Bendix pads for my young bloke's Amarok as there are no Akebono pads listed for his model at the moment.

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[~Rich~]

Had mine in for years now, it's like once you put them in forget about the brakes! (Apart from the silly handbrake adjustment)

Don't wear out either the pads or discs! ;)

[ADMIRAL]

Had mine in for years now, it's like once you put them in forget about the brakes! (Apart from the silly handbrake adjustment)

Don't wear out either the pads or discs! ;)
That's because Akebono use adhesion technology, and the others use abrasion. There are a few that advertise they have ceramic pads, but don't tell you how much. ( ceramic ) The basic Akebono compounds are Kevlar, Ceramic, and Copper. ( and they don't give away how much is ceramic either )

[PerthDisco]

Sounds amazing a modern day manufacturer would make something that does not wear out! Rule 1 of manufacturing.

5 weeks now since I washed the car after changing the discs and pads and wheels still look just washed! The slightest bit of dust can be seen if you wipe your finger on the wheel.

Seems too good to be true as I truly dreaded the wheel clean component of washing the car. Wheels would be black again within a week.

[BMKal]

Sounds amazing a modern day manufacturer would make something that does not wear out! Rule 1 of manufacturing.

5 weeks now since I washed the car after changing the discs and pads and wheels still look just washed! The slightest bit of dust can be seen if you wipe your finger on the wheel.

Seems too good to be true as I truly dreaded the wheel clean component of washing the car. Wheels would be black again within a week.

Yep - I had forgotten how bad my wheels used to get - until my young bloke pulls up in the back yard in his Amarok. If anything, I think his wheels get even dirtier than the Disco did. :D

[Ferret]

Bendix advertises a disc pad using Ceramic Technology, and lists parts for 3.0 litre Disco 4's (well at least up to 2012 - don't know if they will fit latest models or not). Haven't heard any feedback on how these perform / compare with Akebono.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/639.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

A warning for anybody considering these. Just bought a set of front pads, part no. DB2073. They don't fit my MY11 SDV6 D4 fitted with TRW callipers. Fitted pads are shown in the photo on the left, Bendix DB2073 pads are on the right.

The box the Bendix DB2073 pads are supplied in is actually stamped as suitable for Range Rover 2007 sport but no idea if they fit a RR sport.

Rear bendix pads, part No DB1781 fit OK.

[Ferret]

Correct front brake Bendix part No. for my vehicle is DB2203.

[Lukeis]

How do you know if you have TRW or Lucas callipers?
I have a 2011 2.7l discovery 4

[Catmatt]

Fitted a set on the front of my 2010 2.7 D4 along with new discs just before a trip to Cape York. They need a firm foot and a lot of temp to work as well as OEM pads and I found that after approx 12,000K's, the discs had turned blue and the pads were totally glazed.

I admit to being hard on the brakes and tow a Kimberley Camper but was disappointed at the performance of the pads particularly off-road in a lot of dust and numerous creek crossings. Minimal brake dust yes but overall - not my 'cup-of-tea'.

I went back to OEM pads with vented discs and don't regret the decision.

[Lukeis]

Are you referring to the akebono ceramic or the bendix ceramic from the last page?

I don't have vented disc's in any case but happy with the brake force of the oem set up

I'm second day on holidays and my car has flashed up to say "brake pads worn" and I'll be away for two weeks, would I be correct in assuming they will still run for a while? Visually it seems there is a bit to go

[discorevy]

could be broken/bad sensor or connection , if theres still meat on the pads you'll be fine , if it is a dodgy sensor , and it becomes annoying , you can cut the wires down stream of the connector and join them together. just make sure the remainder of the sensor wire wont get in the way of anything. new sensor can be got when you get home

[scarry]

Fitted a set on the front of my 2010 2.7 D4 along with new discs just before a trip to Cape York. They need a firm foot and a lot of temp to work as well as OEM pads and I found that after approx 12,000K's, the discs had turned blue and the pads were totally glazed.

I admit to being hard on the brakes and tow a Kimberley Camper but was disappointed at the performance of the pads particularly off-road in a lot of dust and numerous creek crossings. Minimal brake dust yes but overall - not my 'cup-of-tea'.

I went back to OEM pads with vented discs and don't regret the decision.

What type and brand of discs?

[Catmatt]

What type and brand of discs?

Direct import from Ashcroft Engineering in the UK. I wanted to try a set of quality ventilated and drilled discs and am pretty chuffed so far as I have no overheating or blueing and the pedal pressure with OEM pads is much better - even if the wear rate is a lot higher due to the softer compound OEM pads.

I have no issues with Australian made discs but can only find solid discs for the D4. Had a set of Aussie made discs all round on my D2 and they worked fine!

[Lukeis]

could be broken/bad sensor or connection , if theres still meat on the pads you'll be fine , if it is a dodgy sensor , and it becomes annoying , you can cut the wires down stream of the connector and join them together. just make sure the remainder of the sensor wire wont get in the way of anything. new sensor can be got when you get home

Nah some meat but not a lot so I think the sensor is ok, perhaps it's just a little cautious as you'd expect.

[Lukeis]

I've fitted a set of front and rear akybono pads to the car today, after atarting the car the "brake pads worn" message and light still comes on.

Does anyone know how to fix this? How do I know if the sensor is broken or just not fitted properly? If I knew how it worked this might help me trouble shoot

Or, does it need to be reset somewhere like the service required message I recently had.

Thanks

[BMKal]

My understanding is that once a brake pad has worn enough to activate the "worn brakes" message, the sensor that has detected this is stuffed and must be replaced. Basically, you wear the end off the sensor and create an "open circuit" - the only way to properly get rid of the message is to replace the sensor. I believe that you can "bridge" the wires to the sensor to get rid of the message, but this should be a temporary fix only, as you will then have no warning should you wear through another pad or have other problems with that wheel.

Sensors are not expensive - there's only two of them (not fitted to all four wheels I've been told). You can get them through any dealer, or after-market ones through Pedders and others.

[boardrider]

hi. i have had these pads on front and rear for quite a while now.I feel they work as good as oem pads and with a lot less dust,almost none.I need something with good stopping power as i tow a 1 tonne tool trailer all the time and a caravan that weighs in at 3440kg.If there was going to be any issues that would have highlighted themselves by now.I will be fitting them again when required:)

[Lukeis]

Like all new pads they were terrible for the first 30minutes after installing but 48 hours later I don't notice any difference at all..

Too early to comment on the brake dust aspect.

FYI I ordered them on eBay from WA.. less than $150 for all four corners

[Disco-tastic]

I've fitted a set of front and rear akybono pads to the car today, after atarting the car the "brake pads worn" message and light still comes on.

Does anyone know how to fix this? How do I know if the sensor is broken or just not fitted properly? If I knew how it worked this might help me trouble shoot

Or, does it need to be reset somewhere like the service required message I recently had.

Thanks
I fitted some recently for a similar price. I havent replaced the sensors yet, and probably wont - they are about $30 each, and when a set of pads is $150 it bumps the total cost up a bit (extra 40%). I will also need new discs at all four corners once these pads are done so if it grinds into the disc i don't care!

I will be shorting the wires when i get a chance to get rid of the alert, just haven't got round to it.

Cheers

Dan

[Lukeis]

Makes a lot of sense, is shorting them just a matter of cutting the two wires and joining them together?

[Disco-tastic]

Makes a lot of sense, is shorting them just a matter of cutting the two wires and joining them together?
As far as i know, its that simple.

When i replace the discs and pads next time i will get new sensors then. [emoji106]

[Lukeis]

As I have them on order already I'm happy to be the guinea pig.. will get them done this afternoon and report back

My plan for the future is to stop somewhere just before the sensors wear!

[Disco-tastic]

Haha yeah there should be a pre-sensor to let us know when the sensor is about to be broken [emoji14]

What dis you end up paying for the sensors?

[Lukeis]

It's about a 60 second job to cut the sensor and connnect the wires together, the warning lamps are now all sorted.

I paid $70 including delivery from a guy on eBay (comes from NSW) but I have seen them on eBay for $12 ish each tho they mentioned the 3.0l D4 not the 2.7 so I wasn't confident they would fit and also they are coming from china and wasn't prepared to wait.

[fisser]

Has anyone recently purchased any DBA Slotted rotors with Akebono Pads? I have a MY11 2.7L that needs new rotors and pads shortly and from the looks of this thread DBA and Akebono are the way to go. I'm in Sydney if anyone can recommend good prices for any suppliers or online stores.

cheers in advance, Fiss

[DiscoJeffster]

Has anyone recently purchased any DBA Slotted rotors with Akebono Pads? I have a MY11 2.7L that needs new rotors and pads shortly and from the looks of this thread DBA and Akebono are the way to go. I'm in Sydney if anyone can recommend good prices for any suppliers or online stores.

cheers in advance, Fiss

Not exactly. I have purchased DBA slotted rotors (substituted as the cheaper Bosch rotor was not in stock) and they were combined with Bendix Euro pads at the rear of the bus (D4).
DBA Brake Rotor Slotted 4x4 T2 Rear Pair DBA2095S | Sparesbox (https://www.sparesbox.com.au/dba-brake-rotor-slotted-4x4-t2-rear-pair-dba2095s-9991-dba2095s)

I have had no problem with them at all. They have bedded well and cause no noise, very little dust and so I couldn't complain. Do I think I need slotted rotors? Hell no. But I can't complain about them either as aside from a likely increase in pad wear, they're not causing me any ill-effect.

[fisser]

Not exactly. I have purchased DBA slotted rotors (substituted as the cheaper Bosch rotor was not in stock) and they were combined with Bendix Euro pads at the rear of the bus (D4).
DBA Brake Rotor Slotted 4x4 T2 Rear Pair DBA2095S | Sparesbox (https://www.sparesbox.com.au/dba-brake-rotor-slotted-4x4-t2-rear-pair-dba2095s-9991-dba2095s)

I have had no problem with them at all. They have bedded well and cause no noise, very little dust and so I couldn't complain. Do I think I need slotted rotors? Hell no. But I can't complain about them either as aside from a likely increase in pad wear, they're not causing me any ill-effect.


Thanks mate, I'll look into it. Lucky for me I still have a few k's left on the pads before I'm forced to update them 👍