Fireworks

[Chops]

I'm a bit over it all really.

We have had kids running around letting off fireworks during the past couple of weeks, very annoying to say the least. Of course they seem to do this at the most inappropriate times,, like two in the morning :mad:. You never get to see it,,, just hear it.
Most dogs seem to hate this, and go off tap like there's no tomorrow. So then of course, the neighbours not only have to put up with the fireworks, they then have to put up with a heap of dogs barking. I lose even more sleep, as I try to calm our dog down,, not much I can do about any of the others though.
Its been a hectic few weeks, sleep wise :(

To top it all off, tonight, somewhere not too far from us, someone must have organised/sanctioned a major fireworks show. They've been going off now for almost a half an hour. Dogs going ballistic yet again :mad:
I cant believe that this has not been advertised (that I know of anyway). Everybody loves to watch them when they're done right. Could have even given me a chance to enlighten the dog as to what its all about.
So once again, we don't get to see it, but the dogs still got to be calmed down,,,, :( At least its early.

[30t of coolness]

Your lucky if it's only children , up our way & apparently in Newcastle , fireworks going off for no reason is supposed to mean that another drug shipment has arrived in town! :mad: Scumbags

[Roverlord off road spares]

aren't fireworks banned from public purchase. China town sells them under the counter and I think you can buy them in Canberra. B ut as fafre as i recall the are banned due to horrific injuries occurring.

[MR LR]

All you blokes must have had boring childhoods if you never blew **** up... :p :wasntme:

Cheers
Will

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I won't be complaining about them going off every Saturday all year and every night at present, lest they declare jihad on the Christians in the street.

[Roverlord off road spares]

All you blokes must have had boring childhoods if you never blew **** up... :p :wasntme:

Cheers
Will
When I was a bit younger, we used to celibrate Guye Fawks night. Cracker and sky rockets, it was teriffic fun. When it got banned it was because of horrific burns kids received. One boy had a packet of penny bungers in his shorts pocket the lit so how or by someone else. Sky rockets hitting people or landing on house roof etc could cause fires.

[CraigE]

Lighten up a bit, too many self centred people about, I miss being able to get fireworks. The only time it really becomes an issue is when used dangerously or letter box bombs or maybe early hours of morning.. If your dog is jumpy just ensure they cannot get out of your yard which is your legal obligation having a do anyway.

[d2dave]

They are also legal in Darwin for one day of the year. The ones that can be purchased there are similar to what the pro's use at big events.

They make the old penny bungers and rockets that were around in my childhood look tame.

[Davie]

used to love Guy Falks, in Zambia (Northern Rhodesia) it was banned because it was banned everywhere else, lots of fun, have a Brai and fireworks in your own backyard mostly a few sky-rockets and something for the ladies to go Ahhh over, but mostly it was for the kids with jumping jacks and bangers galore, Oh well so much for progress, miss the old days though.

[Pinelli]

In the Netherlands, fireworks are legal also for only one night each year, New Year's Eve. In the runup to NYE one year, they ran a fireworks safety ad where they showed a news year's eve fireworks countdown, from ten to zero, using images of kids' hands with the appropriate number of fingers left over after fireworks accidents.

Seemed pretty effective to me.

[Pinelli]

And this is the ad they used this year. Or wanted to, before it was banned :)
Banned Terrorist Fireworks Commercial - YouTube

[Chops]

Lighten up a bit, too many self centred people about, I miss being able to get fireworks. The only time it really becomes an issue is when used dangerously or letter box bombs or maybe early hours of morning.. If your dog is jumpy just ensure they cannot get out of your yard which is your legal obligation having a do anyway.

Why the **** should I??

Like a lot others here, I'm quite happy to see fireworks. I'm old enough to have known Guye Fauks (s?) night, and enjoyed it. Big bon fires, fireworks,, a few drinks, its a good combination.

But at two and three in the morning?? WTF. Why cant parents control their kids, and if its adults, then they should be showing some respect to the rest of us who are trying to sleep, because we have to work.
And don't be worrying about the dog,, if she manages to jump the 6' fence,,, good luck to them,, she'll only lick to death :eek:,, but then at least I'll be able to catch them :twisted:

You mention at the end there,, "My legal obligation",, So, "I" have to do the right thing by all around me,, but the ******* with the fireworks can just do whatever they want,,, gee there's a good thought process.

[Landy Smurf]

I agree with Chops.
It seems for all of December they randomly go off at any time.
I do not think it is a very good idea to be letting them off in built up urban areas.
When overseas they were available to the general public but you could still get in trouble for setting them off. I saw a few go whizzing passed my head and some going into crowds of people on NYE.

[Mick_Marsh]

And this is the ad they used this year. Or wanted to, before it was banned :)
Banned Terrorist Fireworks Commercial - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jvVGa-HXYQ)
Why?
Brilliant add.

[Gillie]

Lighten up a bit, too many self centred people about, I miss being able to get fireworks. The only time it really becomes an issue is when used dangerously or letter box bombs or maybe early hours of morning.. If your dog is jumpy just ensure they cannot get out of your yard which is your legal obligation having a do anyway.



I would suggest that letting off fireworks in a fire danger period is a serious issue and offence.


Perhaps you could let Worksafe know they are self centered and should lighten up?

Victorians risk fines of up to $10,000 if they are caught possessing or using fireworks.

With the New Year fast approaching, WorkSafe is keen to remind everyone that fireworks are illegal as well as dangerous.

So far this year, almost one tonne of illegal fireworks has as been confiscated or handed in to WorkSafe and Victoria Police.

“Fireworks are banned in Victoria for good reason – they can injure or kill,’’ warned WorkSafe’s general manager of health and safety, Lisa Sturzenegger.

“And yet each year, people risk their own safety, that of their children and their neighbours by letting off fireworks,” she said.

“The fines are severe because the injuries they can cause are severe.”

A 34-year-old man from Tarneit died on January 1 after a commercial firework exploded in his face during a New Year’s Eve party. Dozens of Victorians – including children - are injured every year during New Year festivities.

Only licensed pyrotechnicians are allowed to handle fireworks.

Source
- See more at: Fireworks will spoil your party - Worksafe News (http://www.worksafenews.com.au/component/k2/item/295-fireworks-will-spoil-your-party.html#sthash.jKqTLqYz.dpuf)

[VladTepes]

The fireworks where I was on Saturday night were the best !!!!






I was at "farm gun" night shoot with plenty of blokes who had BP shotguns.... :banana:

[Barra1]

Geez, Chops you need a Snickers:eek: You know how cranky you get when you are hungry.;)

But I'm with you. I reckon a few people get misty-eyed remembering the "old times' when they were kids and the fun they had on "Cracker Night". Yep it was fun, but as I recall it usually didn't go until 2am and it was only one night of the year (supposedly).

Time to realise the world has changed and for better or worse we have lost but also gained certain aspects of life.


Lighten up a bit, too many self centred people about, I miss being able to get fireworks. The only time it really becomes an issue is when used dangerously or letter box bombs or maybe early hours of morning.. If your dog is jumpy just ensure they cannot get out of your yard which is your legal obligation having a do anyway.


In regard to the above post, I believe the Original Poster referred to the noise at "2am" - so I suppose "it really becomes an issue when used .....or maybe early hours of morning.


Anyway Chops it is good to see you are still a Cranky Old Man. I know the feeling.:eek:

[rangietragic]

Fireworks are supposed to be banned in qld[i miss guy fawkes night] but each easter at inskip point near rainbow beach,someone lets them go.This year[i think]they scared some kids little dog so bad it bolted.Was found next day as road kill:(

[d2dave]

“Fireworks are banned in Victoria for good reason – they can injure or kill,’’

So do cars so we better ban them

“And yet each year, people risk their own safety, that of their children and their neighbours by letting off fireworks,” she said.

If they are safe in Darwin how can they not be safe else where.

the injuries they can cause are severe.”

Only if used irresponsibly.

A 34-year-old man from Tarneit died on January 1 after a commercial firework exploded in his face during a New Year’s Eve party. Dozens of Victorians – including children - are injured every year during New Year festivities.

Only licensed pyrotechnicians are allowed to handle fireworks.

Not in Darwin

Source
- See more at: Fireworks will spoil your party - Worksafe News (http://www.worksafenews.com.au/component/k2/item/295-fireworks-will-spoil-your-party.html#sthash.jKqTLqYz.dpuf)

I have a friend who used to live in Darwin who used to bring me a load of fireworks when ever he drove down. I have no problem with them when used responsibly.

And one of the inclusions of responsible is not at 2.00am. I would never do this. We used most of ours on new years eve and if it was to be legalized(not that it would happen) have it for one day only, like Darwin.

Now I do not have any statistics but my friend who lived there never mentioned about any accidents, apart from the odd fire.

We had them for years as kids, twice a year, and yes there was the odd accident but jeez kids can get worse injuries playing footy. Think wheelchairs.

It's just the wowser fun police at it again.:(

[FFR]

Time to realise the world has changed and for better or worse we have lost but also gained certain aspects of life.

I went to Ikea (Canary Islands) shortly after the 9/11 and they had grinded down the sharp edge of all knifes on display, due to "safety".

On the other hand, all these prohibitions have brought us better health care, a better education system and better and affordable housing.

[sheerluck]

I would suggest that letting off fireworks in a fire danger period is a serious issue and offence.


Perhaps you could let Worksafe know they are self centered and should lighten up?

Victorians risk fines of up to $10,000 if they are caught possessing or using fireworks.

With the New Year fast approaching, WorkSafe is keen to remind everyone that fireworks are illegal as well as dangerous.

So far this year, almost one tonne of illegal fireworks has as been confiscated or handed in to WorkSafe and Victoria Police.

“Fireworks are banned in Victoria for good reason – they can injure or kill,’’ warned WorkSafe’s general manager of health and safety, Lisa Sturzenegger.

“And yet each year, people risk their own safety, that of their children and their neighbours by letting off fireworks,” she said.

“The fines are severe because the injuries they can cause are severe.”

A 34-year-old man from Tarneit died on January 1 after a commercial firework exploded in his face during a New Year’s Eve party. Dozens of Victorians – including children - are injured every year during New Year festivities.

Only licensed pyrotechnicians are allowed to handle fireworks.

Source
- See more at: Fireworks will spoil your party - Worksafe News (http://www.worksafenews.com.au/component/k2/item/295-fireworks-will-spoil-your-party.html#sthash.jKqTLqYz.dpuf)

Of course there are dangers associated with fireworks, after all it is a variety of explosive. It needs careful thought, planning and a healthy dose of respect for what you are dealing with.

Back in the UK, every November 5th and NYE we would buy a hundred quid's worth of fireworks (and generally there was a biggie to end on a big note) and invite friends, neighbours and family for a fun night.

It was all done very responsibly, and there was never any damage or injury in over 15 years of doing that. We had to postpone a couple of times when it was too windy or wet.

Let's face it, tobacco kills or hospitalises thousands and thousands of people each year, and that doesn't get banned.

[d2dave]

On the other hand, all these prohibitions have brought us better health care, a better education system and better and affordable housing.

I can't see how banning fireworks gives us a better education system or cheaper housing.:confused:

[FFR]

I can't see how banning fireworks gives us a better education system or cheaper housing.:confused:

Hi Dave,

That's the point of my post. We are sacrificing lots of our liberties and rights... and, what do we get in exchange ? which areas in our lives are dramatically improving ? more TV channels ? faster cars ? bigger plasma TVs ?

The problem is, I think, not in the fireworks. The problem is that someone decides to wake up the neighbours at 2 AM for fun. A fireworks ban is not the solution for an anti-social behaviour, it is not going to transform an idiot into a normal person.

[FFR]

Hi Dave,

That's the point of my post. We are sacrificing lots of our liberties and rights... and, what do we get in exchange ? which areas in our lives are dramatically improving ? more TV channels ? faster cars ? bigger plasma TVs ?

The problem is, I think, not in the fireworks. The problem is that someone decides to wake up the neighbours at 2 AM for fun. A fireworks ban is not the solution for an anti-social behaviour, it is not going to transform an idiot into a normal person.

BTW, I consider that, being the Australian houses tipically surrounded by so much fuel (trees, weeds, even more trees) playing with sparks around is not a wise idea...

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I went to Ikea (Canary Islands) shortly after the 9/11 and they had grinded down the sharp edge of all knifes on display, due to "safety".

On the other hand, all these prohibitions have brought us better health care, a better education system and better and affordable housing.Well actually, in relation to health care, the almost complete lack of fireworks in NSW has reduced the trauma caused by fireworks incidents, saving the healthcare system thousands if not millions of dollars in the treatment of firework related injury and permanent disibility frequently caused by loss of eyes, hearing, fingers and limbs.

So while it is a loss of a liberty it is also benefit to the community.

Now if we had to pay for our own health care and there was no social security, as in the USA, then you are free to blow your own hands off and pay for the treatment if you choose.

I know which place I would rather live in. And yes as a kid we did have fireworks and one of the kids at the scout group lost an eye when a rocket landed in a box of other fireworks at the same time this kid was getting another one and that was the only reason the lid was off.

[korg20000bc]

I'm a bit over it all really.

We have had kids running around letting off fireworks during the past couple of weeks, very annoying to say the least. Of course they seem to do this at the most inappropriate times,, like two in the morning :mad:. You never get to see it,,, just hear it.
Most dogs seem to hate this, and go off tap like there's no tomorrow. So then of course, the neighbours not only have to put up with the fireworks, they then have to put up with a heap of dogs barking. I lose even more sleep, as I try to calm our dog down,, not much I can do about any of the others though.
Its been a hectic few weeks, sleep wise :(

To top it all off, tonight, somewhere not too far from us, someone must have organised/sanctioned a major fireworks show. They've been going off now for almost a half an hour. Dogs going ballistic yet again :mad:
I cant believe that this has not been advertised (that I know of anyway). Everybody loves to watch them when they're done right. Could have even given me a chance to enlighten the dog as to what its all about.
So once again, we don't get to see it, but the dogs still got to be calmed down,,,, :( At least its early.

Congratulations!
You are now officially OLD.
:)

[FFR]

Well actually, in relation to health care, the almost complete lack of fireworks in NSW has reduced the trauma caused by fireworks incidents, saving the healthcare system thousands if not millions of dollars in the treatment of firework related injury and permanent disibility frequently caused by loss of eyes, hearing, fingers and limbs.

So while it is a loss of a liberty it is also benefit to the community.

Now if we had to pay for our own health care and there was no social security, as in the USA, then you are free to blow your own hands off and pay for the treatment if you choose.

I know which place I would rather live in. And yes as a kid we did have fireworks and one of the kids at the scout group lost an eye when a rocket landed in a box of other fireworks at the same time this kid was getting another one and that was the only reason the lid was off.

I see your point and, in fact, I would say that it is how I have find that a great number of Australians think (I'm a visitor here).

However, I think that trying to eliminate risk after risk creating a certain legislation on that regard, creates a society reluctant to assume any degree of exposure to new ventures, "just in case" or, even worse, to accept as legitimate new rules against practices perceived as "unsafe".

For example: it is very easy to argue against DIY maintenance in your landy. Some people die every year on their sheds, and some other might (and this is where the _fear factor_ is introduced) die because of dodgy repairs on brakes and steering. Remember the guy with the yellow 110 in the UK who had an accident where three of his kids died ? The press said things like "that land rover was like a Frankenstein, made of parts taken from other cars".


As a side note, regarding your comparison between here and the USA in relation to health cover, I have to tell you that we 457 people are not covered by Medicare in any way or form. In fact, in NSW the kids of 457 people don't have the right to receive free education.

cheers, Carlos

[ramblingboy42]

I can see this thread wandering way off from this point......bring back cracker night. Love John Williamsons song.....

John Williamson - Welcome To My Campfire Part 6 of 9 - YouTube

[Pinelli]

Why?
Brilliant add.

Too many muslims in the country :)

[Mick_Marsh]

Too many muslims in the country :)
So? They won't need the subtitles.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I see your point and, in fact, I would say that it is how I have find that a great number of Australians think (I'm a visitor here).

However, I think that trying to eliminate risk after risk creating a certain legislation on that regard, creates a society reluctant to assume any degree ...

... As a side note, regarding your comparison between here and the USA in relation to health cover, I have to tell you that we 457 people are not covered by Medicare in any way or form. In fact, in NSW the kids of 457 people don't have the right to receive free education.

cheers, CarlosHi Carlos

Yes I am well aware of the issue of Medicare Inelligible patients, before my last promotion I used to run an emergency department.

IMHO, anyone/any company who imports workers on 457 visa, should also provide those workers with health insurance for the worker and their family, instead of shirking their responsibilities just for cheap labour. There are also many companies that do provide such insurance so 457 workers do not all share the same health experiences.

You are also very correct about the nanny state, which unfortunately is often the consequence of political lobbying groups with issues of self interest. The anti-gun lobby for example.

[CraigE]

Why the **** should I??

Like a lot others here, I'm quite happy to see fireworks. I'm old enough to have known Guye Fauks (s?) night, and enjoyed it. Big bon fires, fireworks,, a few drinks, its a good combination.

But at two and three in the morning?? WTF. Why cant parents control their kids, and if its adults, then they should be showing some respect to the rest of us who are trying to sleep, because we have to work.
And don't be worrying about the dog,, if she manages to jump the 6' fence,,, good luck to them,, she'll only lick to death :eek:,, but then at least I'll be able to catch them :twisted:

You mention at the end there,, "My legal obligation",, So, "I" have to do the right thing by all around me,, but the ******* with the fireworks can just do whatever they want,,, gee there's a good thought process.

No, look at the dog acts, your dog must not be able to get out of your yard that is law, regardless of fireworks, music, parties, cars back firing etc etc. and not so much about your dog getting out, but about dogs getting out and being lost.
Not condoning the 2am noise, you have a good point there, but at reasonable hours???? Not many places it is legal anymore anyway and if the police can be bothered it can be a significant charge. Even where it is legal you cannot just do whatever you like. As said fireworks are being used now to signal other less savory events, same as shoes on power lines.
The main reason fireworks were banned was due to fires being started and injuries from them.
The main issue I have is there are so many people that forget what we and they did as kids and now want to condemn kids for doing similar. Not for a minute condoning illegal or anti social behavior, but kids need to be let to be allowed to be kids, this is why we have such a problem with depression in our kids at present.

[CraigE]

Well actually, in relation to health care, the almost complete lack of fireworks in NSW has reduced the trauma caused by fireworks incidents, saving the healthcare system thousands if not millions of dollars in the treatment of firework related injury and permanent disibility frequently caused by loss of eyes, hearing, fingers and limbs.

So while it is a loss of a liberty it is also benefit to the community.

Now if we had to pay for our own health care and there was no social security, as in the USA, then you are free to blow your own hands off and pay for the treatment if you choose.

I know which place I would rather live in. And yes as a kid we did have fireworks and one of the kids at the scout group lost an eye when a rocket landed in a box of other fireworks at the same time this kid was getting another one and that was the only reason the lid was off.

Diana,
I agree with you on the injuries etc, but maybe in controlled circumstances with an accepted risk they may be ok. There should be compulsory training and an age limit. A bit like dirt bike riding, I love it and there is risks, but should we ban it? Far more people hurt in this manner than there ever was from fireworks and that is the quandary when you see a young kid burnt by fireworks.Most things in controlled circumstance are OK. One of our biggest and most dangerous killers is our trusty car, yet we still drive. The problem as with all things is the irresponsible or uncontrolled or unsupervised use. Also you could be doing everything right in any activity and still get hurt.

Any way Merry Christmas to all, lets just have a safe and happy christmas period and show a bit of tolerance.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Yes we used to have great times on "cracker night" the whole issue of Guy Fawkes and the conspiracy to blow up the King and Parliament seemed irrelevant to us. (These days he would be called a terrorist and sent to Guantanimo Bay or be subject to a drone strike or something.)

So maybe we need to step back a little, perhaps a responsible lighting of fireworks certificate before you could purchase fireworks would be a better solution. However getting back to the start of this thread, as a dog owner, the fireworks do set them off and they don't understand what its about. More importantly, in my district, it is likely to be the people setting off the fireworks that will complain about the dogs barking. They have already reported our Pugs for being viscious bulldogs and even chased one escapee out onto the road to be hit by a car. (After all they were protecting themselves, lest a lick from a Pug will prevent them from entering paradise.)

More regulations doesn't make a better society, but with the stupidity and intolerance of many it may be the only solution. It does however seem to be a want of the politicians to be seen to be doing something about a problem at nil cost to themselves, by giving the Police something else to do and the courts more work.

[CraigE]

Yes we used to have great times on "cracker night" the whole issue of Guy Fawkes and the conspiracy to blow up the King and Parliament seemed irrelevant to us. (These days he would be called a terrorist and sent to Guantanimo Bay or be subject to a drone strike or something.)

So maybe we need to step back a little, perhaps a responsible lighting of fireworks certificate before you could purchase fireworks would be a better solution. However getting back to the start of this thread, as a dog owner, the fireworks do set them off and they don't understand what its about. More importantly, in my district, it is likely to be the people setting off the fireworks that will complain about the dogs barking. They have already reported our Pugs for being viscious bulldogs and even chased one escapee out onto the road to be hit by a car. (After all they were protecting themselves, lest a lick from a Pug will prevent them from entering paradise.)

More regulations doesn't make a better society, but with the stupidity and intolerance of many it may be the only solution. It does however seem to be a want of the politicians to be seen to be doing something about a problem at nil cost to themselves, by giving the Police something else to do and the courts more work.

I like your quote about the pugs.:D So many times have seen stupid people call dogs by incorrect breeds and that just breeds irrational and uneducated fear.
And you are probably right regarding dog barking and we are all fairly hypocritical in some of these ways.
I like bikes but loud dirt bikes and extra loud Harley's scare dogs just as much and are as annoying if not more so than fireworks. In WA it is quite rare to see random fireworks but a lot more common to be woken by the sound of some overweight mid life crisis on a Harley pumping out over 100DB in the early hours of the morning and it does annoy, but I dont want to ban bikes. Or worse there is currently a 200 series Toyota with a stupidly loud exhaust that lives in our area and when it goes past you can not hear anything else.

[Mick_Marsh]

They have already reported our Pugs for being viscious bulldogs and even chased one escapee out onto the road to be hit by a car. (After all they were protecting themselves, lest a lick from a Pug will prevent them from entering paradise.)
Yes. Pugs. Savage beasts. I was mauled by one last saturday night.

There should be compulsory training and an age limit. A bit like dirt bike riding, I love it and there is risks, but should we ban it?
I am disappointed when people suggest education solves all.
I live in a semi rural town. We are approaching the season when bored young teens and pre-teens get out on their dirt bikes roaring around the streets at 2am. I'd like to see the training session for these inconsiderate trouble makers.

I'm not sorry to see fireworks banned. As a kid, I used to see pictures in the newspapers of Tiddles, someones beloved family pet, with it's face half blown off. Kiddies used to shove crackers tn the pets orifices and, well, you can imagine the rest.
By all means, allow fireworks. Issue licences. Make the licence holder responsible for ALL fireworks happenings in the area. If some cruel child (and there are lots out there) blows Tiddles' face off, the licence holder in the area is responsible whether he knew about these fireworks or not. And an appropriate punish ment should be given. Crucifixion, first offense. Unfair? Do you think what they did to Tiddles is fair?

Sorry. I got a little carried away there.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

They have already reported our Pugs for being viscious bulldogs and even chased one escapee out onto the road to be hit by a car. (After all they were protecting themselves, lest a lick from a Pug will prevent them from entering paradise.)
Yes. Pugs. Savage beasts. I was mauled by one last saturday night.
The ranger, when he came around about the complaint, wanted the offending puppy muzzled. I asked how was he going to achieve that on a flat faced Pug and when the complainant couldn't identify the correct dog the complaint lapsed. They actually identified the most passive of all the Pugs, and that is saying something.

What is a dog supposed to do when people poke sticks over the fence at them? The only defence they have is to bark and bite the stick.

[CraigE]

Yes. Pugs. Savage beasts. I was mauled by one last saturday night.

I am disappointed when people suggest education solves all.
I live in a semi rural town. We are approaching the season when bored young teens and pre-teens get out on their dirt bikes roaring around the streets at 2am. I'd like to see the training session for these inconsiderate trouble makers.

I'm not sorry to see fireworks banned. As a kid, I used to see pictures in the newspapers of Tiddles, someones beloved family pet, with it's face half blown off. Kiddies used to shove crackers tn the pets orifices and, well, you can imagine the rest.
By all means, allow fireworks. Issue licences. Make the licence holder responsible for ALL fireworks happenings in the area. If some cruel child (and there are lots out there) blows Tiddles' face off, the licence holder in the area is responsible whether he knew about these fireworks or not. And an appropriate punish ment should be given. Crucifixion, first offense. Unfair? Do you think what they did to Tiddles is fair?

Sorry. I got a little carried away there.

Mick,
I for one am not condoning inappropriate use, people will do that with or without fireworks, they will use homemade ones and other devices. There are just idiots everywhere the latest here are some indigenous people throwing kittens into freeway traffic on the Kwinana Fwy. A friend had this happen, avoided running over the kitten, picked it up, de-fleaed it and now has it at home.
Most of us are actually responsible enough to use them in the correct and reasonably safe manner (there are always risks). Kids usually get injured by either handling or getting too close.
People had some on the canal last night and we had no issue with them.

[Tombie]

Good grief...Is this thread for real?!?!?!

What the **** has happened to this place?

What the heck is it with all these forum members getting bitter and fricken twisted?

[ramblingboy42]

you're right on the money there Tombie, I'm not sure if they should take a teaspoon of cement or eat a plate of prunes but I think they must have bad stomach pains.

[MR LR]

Oh for christs sake, legislation is not the answer! You will never stop the bogans and rednecks that engage in stupidly moronic activity!

All legislation does is stop the honest, hard-working, caring people from having controlled fun. It's bloody ridiculous, and the way almost everyone seems to react to it is they relax about breaking rules, hence break more serious ones they otherwise wouldn't have, had it not been a daily reality (think of school zones).

Rant over.

And all this bitter twisted-ness does is make things worse, turn your hearing aids off :p

[Landy Smurf]

Oh for christs sake, legislation is not the answer! You will never stop the bogans and rednecks that engage in stupidly moronic activity!

All legislation does is stop the honest, hard-working, caring people from having controlled fun. It's bloody ridiculous, and the way almost everyone seems to react to it is they relax about breaking rules, hence break more serious ones they otherwise wouldn't have, had it not been a daily reality (think of school zones).

Rant over.

And all this bitter twisted-ness does is make things worse, turn your hearing aids off :p

It is always the minority that ruin it for the majority.
The thing is they need to draw the line at some point.

[MR LR]

My point is, drawing a line really doesn't change the negatives at all, the minority still keep doing the wrong thing!

It only gets the good people, and makes their/our lives more boring!

[Chops]

Wasn't me,,, :D

I started nothing,, all I said, was I was sick of being woken up at two or three in the morning by dick heads with fireworks.

[CraigE]

Oh for christs sake, legislation is not the answer! You will never stop the bogans and rednecks that engage in stupidly moronic activity!

All legislation does is stop the honest, hard-working, caring people from having controlled fun. It's bloody ridiculous, and the way almost everyone seems to react to it is they relax about breaking rules, hence break more serious ones they otherwise wouldn't have, had it not been a daily reality (think of school zones).

Rant over.

And all this bitter twisted-ness does is make things worse, turn your hearing aids off :p

So everyone is a bogan then? It is not just bogans and rarely in our area. The house letting them off here last night belongs to a Mine Manager and hardly a bogan.

[CraigE]

Good grief...Is this thread for real?!?!?!

What the **** has happened to this place?

What the heck is it with all these forum members getting bitter and fricken twisted?

Mike,
Not bitter just twisted but you all knew that already.:cool::angel::twisted::twisted:

[Landy Smurf]

So everyone is a bogan then? It is not just bogans and rarely in our area. The house letting them off here last night belongs to a Mine Manager and hardly a bogan.
I would have to agree with you there Craig.
We live in a pretty good area and they go off all the time.

[Tombie]

More like just teenagers...

Even a 45 yo highly educated mate just did a run up to Alice to grab a pile for NYE

[Gillie]

https://twitter.com/MossieCreekCFA/status/416687856908648448

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/12/88.jpg (http://s476.photobucket.com/user/zx12rzx12r/media/mccfa_zps9c52f7fc.jpg.html)

[Landy Smurf]

1am and I was just starting to fall a sleep and boom off go the fireworks. It seems like they are getting more and more common.

[Tombie]

And it seems we all forget what it was like to be young, make some noise and have a good time...


Besides making the dogs bark, and making you open your eyes - did it hurt you?

No worse than roaring V8s, loud bikes, trucks rumbling by, trains rolling past etc...

We are all getting ****ing soft!

[Landy Smurf]

And it seems we all forget what it was like to be young

But I am young:p

[Chops]

And it seems we all forget what it was like to be young, make some noise and have a good time...


Besides making the dogs bark, and making you open your eyes - did it hurt you?

No worse than roaring V8s, loud bikes, trucks rumbling by, trains rolling past etc...

We are all getting ****ing soft!

I haven't forgotten what it was like to be young at all,,,
It's just I was bought up to have some respect towards others, manners, empathy and general respect for the law.
And yes, it did hurt me waking up at two and three in the morning. Already running on a lack of sleep because of a bad back, I could have done with a better length of sleep. If I had then had an accident due to fatigue,, who's problem is it then??

So, as originally said, I'm over it.
If you think so highly of the *******,, feel free to have them over your way, with my eternal gratitude cause I'll then have a good sleep :D

[Tombie]

All good... We've got them around here too :)

They set them off, dogs go nuts, we wake up...

Settle dogs, go back to sleep...

Few and far between when you think about it most of the time...

And we are a household of shift workers... So sleep is premium.

If you were a quiet, law abiding youngster then you were one of a rare minority.

Perhaps, like us all back then, you thought you were being quiet :)

Never had a loud car?

[disco 3 door]

At least when we were young we new the times of the year it was going to happen & were prepared for it.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just to revisit the reasons for the banning of the sale of fireworks: Scores injured by Philippines fireworks - (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-28/an-scores-injured-by-philippines-fireworks/5177178)

Also for the last 2 weeks, people in the neighbourhood have been randomingly letting off fireworks every night and it continues to between 1am and 2am each night.
....
Besides making the dogs bark, and making you open your eyes - did it hurt you?

No worse than roaring V8s, loud bikes, trucks rumbling by, trains rolling past etc...

We are all getting ****ing soft!I bought a house away from the rail lines, aeroplanes have difficulty coming anywhere near my house (too close to the International terminal) and trucks and loud motorbikes don't make the dogs bark. My V8 Rover however does make the dogs bark, but just because its me coming home, they stop as soon as I open the door and its not at 2am

[Chops]

All good... We've got them around here too :)

Obviously not often enough to annoy you.

They set them off, dogs go nuts, we wake up...

Settle dogs, go back to sleep...

Lucky you,, you can go straight back to sleep obviously.

Few and far between when you think about it most of the time...

And we are a household of shift workers... So sleep is premium.

Been there and done that,, for almost 20 years.

If you were a quiet, law abiding youngster then you were one of a rare minority.

Myself and my mates were pretty much all the same,, it's a respect thing, and not very law abiding some would say.

Perhaps, like us all back then, you thought you were being quiet :)

We were being quiet,, it's still a respect thing.

Never had a loud car?

My cars were always loud,, V8's,, it still remains a respect thing.



Regardless of what we did after hours,, and we were by no means "good boys", we still had respect for those that had to get sleep so they could get their arses out of bed to go to work.

It's a bit like going camping with a largish group of people, I have a habit, as a few on here will testify, of staying up late, but when we do, we have respect for those that need to hit the sack early, and keep the noise down, so they can sleep.
How hard is it??

[CraigE]

Regardless of what we did after hours,, and we were by no means "good boys", we still had respect for those that had to get sleep so they could get their arses out of bed to go to work.

It's a bit like going camping with a largish group of people, I have a habit, as a few on here will testify, of staying up late, but when we do, we have respect for those that need to hit the sack early, and keep the noise down, so they can sleep.
How hard is it??

I agree with you for 2am and if happening every night, but fireworks are only 1 source of disturbance and as illegal in most areas easily picked on. We see them occasionally here but usually latest is around 2200pm so ok most times. But there are many more things that cause annoyance and lack of sleep around here including loud cars (not just V8s which usually are not too bad, the pop pop of subarus is most annoying, loud diesesls), noisy bikes, dogs barking, loud parties (way more prevelant than fireworks), sirens, car alarms, loud voices, loud car stereos etc etc, should we not be treating these the same???

[Disco Muppet]

Yes. Pugs. Savage beasts. I was mauled by one last saturday night.

Demand compensation from the owner. Perhaps in the form of his 101, not that you need another :p


Crucifixion, first offense.

Crucifixion? One cross each, line on the left.

There's validity in both sides of the argument here.
Yes, we're all young once (in the case of you old buggers, I still am :p ) and we do silly things. Inconsiderate things, at times.
But going mental at 2am with fireworks is just being a ****, plain and simple.
Even in my slightly more aggressive younger days, at the height of my don't give a **** attitude (Still getting over that :angel: I wouldn't have done that.

[Chops]

I agree with you for 2am and if happening every night, but fireworks are only 1 source of disturbance and as illegal in most areas easily picked on. We see them occasionally here but usually latest is around 2200pm so ok most times. But there are many more things that cause annoyance and lack of sleep around here including loud cars (not just V8s which usually are not too bad, the pop pop of subarus is most annoying, loud diesesls), noisy bikes, dogs barking, loud parties (way more prevelant than fireworks), sirens, car alarms, loud voices, loud car stereos etc etc, should we not be treating these the same???

Yep, we get some of that stuff too, and basically it boils down to the same thing,,, respect of others,, empathy for those around you.
It doesn't really matter what the actual affliction is, it all comes down to the same thing.
I for one love seeing fireworks in action,, I'm looking forward to NY, standing down on the beach front seeing it all play out around the bay. And that'll be at midnight,, then there will be the 45min trip home. But it's a major event, that's well advertised, and accepted by the general public, and me even :D

You know, the really stupid thing about what these fools do, when they do it,, they're too busy running away after lighting them, that they don't even get the pleasure of seeing them go off, so therefore, it's just all about annoying people around them.

[Landy Smurf]

But it's a major event, that's well advertised, and accepted by the general public, and me even :D

.

:BigThumb:

At least 2 separate times they let them off last night, what the hell is there to celebrate on the 28th of december

[Gillie]

:BigThumb:

At least 2 separate times they let them off last night, what the hell is there to celebrate on the 28th of december

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[Mick_Marsh]

Yes. Pugs. Savage beasts. I was mauled by one last saturday night.
Demand compensation from the owner. Perhaps in the form of his 101, not that you need another :p
Great idea, unfortunately a little late. The lick rash from the mauling has healed.

[Mick_Marsh]

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What are you telling us Gillie? Are they the troublemakers?

Some of those whistling skyrockets were let off here on the night of the 27th.

[Gillie]

What are you telling us Gillie? Are they the troublemakers?

Some of those whistling skyrockets were let off here on the night of the 27th.

The 27th? Then these are the trouble makers! :D

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[Landy Smurf]

so it is the older generations that are setting the fireworks off.
I guess a candle for every year on a cake has been replaced with a firework for every year :p

[sheerluck]

so it is the older generations that are setting the fireworks off.
I guess a candle for every year on a cake has been replaced with a firework for every year :p

There's a few on here that the fireworks display would go on for some hours! :Rolling:

[V8Ian]

There's a few on here that the fireworks display would go on for some hours! :Rolling:
OI!! :mad:

On a more serious note, I'm in total agreeance with you Marcus. :angrylock:

[digger]

SA Legislation re: fireworks..

South Australian Legislation (http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/R/EXPLOSIVES%20(FIREWORKS)%20REGULATIONS%202001.aspx )

In SA to use fireworks the following is some of what is required by law:

*- Licensed Pyrotechnician to set and operate the fireworks
*- Permit and approval to hold a fireworks 'display"
*- Possess and produce current/completed to date pyrotechnician log book
*- CFS or similar/suitable fire service to provide standby coverage
*- Explosives permit to hold, transport or handle said explosives
*- Explosives bunker or store , duly inspected approvoved and authorised
*- Council approval
*- Approval from the Director


expiation (smaller more common fireworks)
*-Possession of fireworks $315 + $60
*-Unlicensed fireworks display $315 + $60
*- Fireworks display w/o pyrotechnician $315 + $60
*- Light fire/firework/exp during fire danger season -Court
*- Light fire/flame/cigarette within 200m of scrub/bush or crop in country area - Court or can be expiated (cannot recall amount sorry)

so putting it in perspective.
If you light fireworks outside a town boundary during Fire Danger season (nov 14 - @ april 24 in SA) you can be given an expiation with all three above AND be sent to court for the others

In reality, if done 'reasonably" (eg some safety measures introduced by the 'operator" it can be dealt with by top listed offence, usually this is what happens if the person is honest and hands over what is left,

But something to be aware of in SA if you have or are suspected to have had fireworks then it is covered under the firearms and explosives act, therefore any Police officer with as many assistants as he deems necessary can break and enter any home/shed/structure and enter/open/break or force open any object or thing for the purpose of searching for explosives and or firearms.

If this is conducted using a reasonable suspicion then there is no avenue for compensation or recompense for any damage or inconvienience.


Lastly contrary to popular belief, we dont have a great big fireworks show at the end of the year and set these all off, they are all placed in a 44 gall drum of water until it is 'destroyed' and that drum is disposed of as hazardous waste.

After seeing what fireworks (and in one case a detonator) will do to someones hands I reckon we can do without them out in the community, now that they are banned there are no safety with fireworks stuff taught and as a result, drunk, slow or just plain stupid people will be terribly and permanently injured.

:eek::pand as to the "Im a wowser" calls that will soon flourish Im sure, I think I should point out the following to make it easier....

I think we should ban loud music (except country music or ac/dc), loud cars (incl V8s (neither my defer or my series have them :) ), Harleys (seriously its all noise and no go...like a series without an exhaust :) ), loud dogs, loud and quiet cats, loud people,

... you all need to realise that when I was young I used to get up at 6am , 3 hrs before I went to bed lick road clean with tongue......:twisted:


That should liven things up!:angel:

[BMKal]

Never picked you for an AC/DC fan Digger .............. :angel:

And Harleys - I like Harley engines. They make a fantastic workshop compressor when powered by something with a bit of grunt. :wasntme:

[V8Ian]

Digger for PM
That's a better platform than the mob we've got and the lot before them.

[digger]

Digger for PM
That's a better platform than the mob we've got and the lot before them.

Ian????

I thought we were friends, how could you wish that upon me....

I reckon the country would run best if run by a red headed clown....:angel:


(Ronald Mcdonald for PM)

anyway after that brief interlude, back to our main topic...

[Landy Smurf]

I reckon the country would run best if run by a red headed clown....:angel:


.

:( I thought you meant me

and now back to the topic

[V8Ian]

:( I thought you meant me

and now back to the topic

Are you red headed Tony? :p

[Landy Smurf]

yes it is true. I am part of a dying breed...

...But I still have plenty of time to change that :p

[vnx205]

yes it is true. I am part of a dying breed...

...But I still have plenty of time to change that :p

You could become part of the dyeing breed to make it less obvious that you belong to a dying breed. :p

[digger]

yes it is true. I am part of a dying breed...

...But I still have plenty of time to change that :p

part of a dying breed??

I didnt know you dyed your hair Smurf! :twisted:

[sheerluck]

yes it is true. I am part of a dying breed...

...But I still have plenty of time to change that :p

It's funny, but I'm sure I've seen more redheads around recently! Back in the UK, my brother-in-law is a bus driver, and one of the villages he goes through on his school bus route he estimates as having 50% red headed kids (the village of the damned, as he calls it).

But back to the main topic, I think that the use of fireworks is very over regulated here. I know the main difference between here and the UK is the fire threat - let's face it, it is very difficult to get anything to burn in permanent conditions of 7 degrees and drizzle. :D
In all seriousness, in the statistics I found, there were 25 people injured by fireworks in 2012. Surely there are greater fish to fry in terms of safety legislation?

[Mick_Marsh]

In all seriousness, in the statistics I found, there were 25 people injured by fireworks in 2012. Surely there are greater fish to fry in terms of safety legislation?Where? Worldwide?
A little more detail please. A link would be good.
The survey I just heard, 100% of those surveyed have been injured by fireworks.

[Landy Smurf]

The survey I just heard, 100% of those surveyed have been injured by fireworks.

:Rolling:

[sheerluck]

Where? Worldwide?
A little more detail please. A link would be good.
The survey I just heard, 100% of those surveyed have been injured by fireworks.

It was Australia wide. A couple of studies from the NT and NSW:

http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=view_file&file_id=NB03032.pdf

http://www.health.nt.gov.au/library/scripts/objectifyMedia.aspx?file=pdf/63/71.pdf&siteID=1&str_title=Firework-Related%20Injury%20Community%20Survey%20Report%202 009.pdf

The NSW study shows 114 injuries over a 10 year period, and the NT 177 (where fireworks are legal) over an 8 year period.

More people are hurt falling down the stairs than by fireworks. Perhaps we should outlaw stairs? :angel:

[Landy Smurf]

It would be interesting to know how many people let off fireworks each year and how many of those get hurt.

[Mick_Marsh]

It was Australia wide. A couple of studies from the NT and NSW:

http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=view_file&file_id=NB03032.pdf

http://www.health.nt.gov.au/library/scripts/objectifyMedia.aspx?file=pdf/63/71.pdf&siteID=1&str_title=Firework-Related%20Injury%20Community%20Survey%20Report%202 009.pdf

The NSW study shows 114 injuries over a 10 year period, and the NT 177 (where fireworks are legal) over an 8 year period.

More people are hurt falling down the stairs than by fireworks. Perhaps we should outlaw stairs? :angel:
I agree. Stairs are very dangerous.

NT has a very small population. Very small urban area.
It's also clear banning fireworks in NSW hasn't stopped irresponsible use of fireworks. Imagine how many more injuries there would be if they were legalised.

The thing about the fireworks displays we do have is they are licensed. I'm sure they have insurance cover as well. The license holder (licensee) is the person responsible if something went wrong.
If kiddies buy crackers across the counter, who is responsible when they blow my cats face off? If you think our kiddies are responsible enough to not do that? Think again.

[sheerluck]

I agree. Stairs are very dangerous.

NT has a very small population. Very small urban area.
It's also clear banning fireworks in NSW hasn't stopped irresponsible use of fireworks. Imagine how many more injuries there would be if they were legalised.

That's a 'what if' that's impossible to quantify. However, as a comparison, the most recent stats I could find from the UK were from 2005, and 990 people were injured by fireworks, with 94 requiring a hospital stay. This is with triple the population, and 75 times greater population density.


The thing about the fireworks displays we do have is they are licensed. I'm sure they have insurance cover as well. The license holder (licensee) is the person responsible if something went wrong.
If kiddies buy crackers across the counter, who is responsible when they blow my cats face off? If you think our kiddies are responsible enough to not do that? Think again.

To be clear, I am not in favour of unregulated fireworks sales. That would be sheer lunacy. However, I think it is nuts that the NT thinks it is safe to sell fireworks, but the rest of the commonwealth does not. There must be a happy medium somewhere between the various states and territories, and the UK/US models.

[Mick_Marsh]

I'm sitting here listening to illegal fireworks being set off. It's disturbing the cockeys which are making a hell of a racket.
Last night there was a fire in One Tree Hill just out of Adelaide. It was caused by illegal fireworks. If fireworks were made legal, there would be many more fires. Who will be responsible? Who will restore my Landrovers should they be burnt in a fire started by fireworks?

[Chops]

We were up at I think Black Rock last night to watch the fireworks in Melb city, and around the bay.
Awesome sight it all was.
As soon as the main event was finished, someone was letting off fireworks in the park where we were.
We had a 45 min drive home after that, and most of the way you could smell smoke in various areas. At first it was the destinct smell of the FW's, but through it you could also smell what was definately fire smoke, as in bush/grass.

[Landy Smurf]

For the last 2 weeks there have been fireworks set off near our house.
This year is by far the most fireworks I have seen set off illegally here.
I am actually surprised I haven't heard anything in the news about them.

[Gillie]

Bloody Police and CFA being wowsers. It was only a serious injury to an 11 year old boy.

Pfft should be legal. I wonder if they could turn the clock back.............

From Loch CFA
https://twitter.com/LochCFA/status/419057239509307392

Men charged with illegally using fireworks - Victoria Police News (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/2325-men-charged-with-illegally-using-fireworks.html)

Two men have been charged after an 11-year-old boy was seriously injured following the alleged illegal use of fireworks last year.

The incident occurred at a Langwarrin residential premises early on New Year’s Day.

A 50-year-old Langwarrin man has been charged with conduct endangering serious injury, recklessly cause serious injury, recklessly cause injury and posses and use explosives (namely fireworks).

[goingbush]

All you blokes must have had boring childhoods if you never blew **** up... :p :wasntme:

Cheers
Will


I must be bored today, first time I read this thread.

When I was a kid you could buy fireworks down the corner shop.

I remember sticking a penny bunger in a nice big fresh pile of cow **** . if failed to go off , I waited a little incase it had a slow wick , went to relight it and got within a foot and BAAANG , I got absolutely covered in cow ****, My mum was not impressed.

I wonder if thats why I now have tinnitus ???


Also whatever happened to bolt bombs, we used to make them and let them off at school, was as big a craze as yo-yos and click -clacks . Its a wonder no one was maimed or killed.

[Sitec]

Bloody Police and CFA being wowsers. It was only a serious injury to an 11 year old boy.

Pfft should be legal. I wonder if they could turn the clock back.............

From Loch CFA
https://twitter.com/LochCFA/status/419057239509307392

Men charged with illegally using fireworks - Victoria Police News (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/2325-men-charged-with-illegally-using-fireworks.html)

Two men have been charged after an 11-year-old boy was seriously injured following the alleged illegal use of fireworks last year.

The incident occurred at a Langwarrin residential premises early on New Year’s Day.

A 50-year-old Langwarrin man has been charged with conduct endangering serious injury, recklessly cause serious injury, recklessly cause injury and posses and use explosives (namely fireworks).


I live in one of the driest states in Australia.... The fuel load here is massive due to the wet winter we had. I was also sober on New Years Eve, because I was conscious that some selected muppets would be playing with fireworks!!!! 18 min into the New Year and I am at the wheel of one of our two appliances going to a grass fire in Gawler which is out of our area... The reason we were going... Gawler MFS were trying to protect houses from a fire started by fireworks, and Concordia were at the fire Mick mentioned earlier in One Tree Hill!!!!!! Within the first 20min of 2014 there were over 60 calls and most of them due to fireworks!!! All of us on all of those fire trucks have not been able to 100% relax, drink and enjoy the evening.... So, yes...anyone caught mucking around with them needs locking up in my opinion! :mad:

[Gillie]

We had a quiet one here, Got called out at 0220 for a 5 metre tree fully involved. someone had set fire to a paperbark outside the Leisure centre. :mad:

We got called out to a firepit fire at one of the caravan parks on a TFB day last week. 240 penalty units at $140.84 per unit adds up to a hefty fine (almost $34,000) or two years jail or both.

[SuperMono]

I'm over the whole fireworks bit.
A few bangers and little rockets once per year is one thing, but the big NYE (and seemingly everything else) pyrotechnics is too much.
A complete waste of money, resources, environmental damage, 'disturbance of the peace' and impact on animals for really no good reason.

'We can put on the biggest show' they say, until someone blows more stuff up in the next city.

Bah, humbug.....

[d2dave]

I live in one of the driest states in Australia.... The fuel load here is massive due to the wet winter we had. I was also sober on New Years Eve, because I was conscious that some selected muppets would be playing with fireworks!!!! 18 min into the New Year and I am at the wheel of one of our two appliances going to a grass fire in Gawler which is out of our area... The reason we were going... Gawler MFS were trying to protect houses from a fire started by fireworks, and Concordia were at the fire Mick mentioned earlier in One Tree Hill!!!!!! Within the first 20min of 2014 there were over 60 calls and most of them due to fireworks!!! All of us on all of those fire trucks have not been able to 100% relax, drink and enjoy the evening.... So, yes...anyone caught mucking around with them needs locking up in my opinion! :mad:

The problem I see here is that these are all illegal fire works. If they made them legal like Darwin and set some rules and regulations about their use, maybe we would not have so many problems.

Being illegal people are going to set them off in places where being caught is slim, which there fore often means places that might start fires.

Then make the penalties very harsh for illegal use. As I stated in an earlier post, my mate who until recently lived in Darwin had them every year without issue.

[d2dave]

I'm over the whole fireworks bit.
A few bangers and little rockets once per year is one thing, but the big NYE (and seemingly everything else) pyrotechnics is too much.
A complete waste of money, resources, environmental damage, 'disturbance of the peace' and impact on animals for really no good reason.

'We can put on the biggest show' they say, until someone blows more stuff up in the next city.

Bah, humbug.....

I do have to agree here. The money that is spent on these things is huge.

Governments don't have enough money for important thing like more police or hospital beds, to name a few, but seem to be able to fund things like this.

[Jeff]

So if fireworks are so evil, why do our governments waste so much money on NYE displays. Maybe the politicians are evil. Oops, I just linked back to Guy Fawkes.

Jeff

:rocket:

[Mick_Marsh]

So if fireworks are so evil, why do our governments waste so much money on NYE displays. Maybe the politicians are evil. Oops, I just linked back to Guy Fawkes.

Jeff

:rocket:
It's not the fireworks that are evil, it's the irresponsible cretins that get hold of them that are.
Sadly, should a cretin burn down someones house, memories and Landrovers, the laws favour those irresponsible people and not the victim.
If a victim, I would want my pound of flesh.

[Pickles2]

I grew up in England, & Guy Fawks night/Bonfire night was an occasion that we as a family, and the whole street / neighbourhood looked forward to.
My last Bonfire nights were in Manchester, in an inner working class suburb. We would make a "guy", put him in a pram, then we would walk around our neighbourhood asking "a penny for the guy".
There would be a large bonfire at the end of the street, got started when it got dark, and it was a lovely social event for everyone. Lots of fireworks, some bought cakes (parkin), & everyone had a fun night.
There were NO restrictions on who could buy fireworks, and I cannot remember any "accidents", but I can remember "Bonfire Night" being a very special time for everyone, some of whom weren't too well off, in those days.
Pickles.