Lucky8’s Project Discovery 3

[FiveSPDDisco]

Lucky8’s Project Discovery 3


Well, it's time for me to eat some crow.

Eating crow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I’m sure if I looked back at some of my posts from 2005 I would find a slew of things saying why the Disco 3 is not going to be a good off road choice. Unfortunately for me but fortunately for the Land Rover community I may need to retract some of those old post. Watching what people like Nathan Woods, Adam Spiker and Gerald King have accomplished with their trucks has not only proven me wrong but made me want one of my own. Please except this as my apology and lets get started with the project!


Without further ado here is the L8 Disco 3 in all its stock form glory

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Some of you keen eyed observers may recognize the finger in the uper corner. That finger belongs to none other than Bart from RMR or as most people know them Red Mountain Rovers.

R M R 4x4 LLC - Birmingham, Alabama (http://rmr4x4.com)

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Tim and Bart knew I was batting around the Idea of getting into a Disco 3 and when they saw this on the clock they knew were its new home should be.

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I only had one question for them. Does it have

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The answer was A resounding yes and the Disco was immediately shipped off to Lucky8

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Like most Lucky8 Project truck’s the goal is to build a truck that can be a daily driver and still stand up to the abuse of the Easter Expedition. In order to do this with a Disco 3 we will need to push hard on our vendors for new products and work in house on innovative ways to tap the hidden potential Land Rover left for us to find.
A side from the standard bolt on goodies here is a quick list of things I would like to accomplish.

1 expanding the selection of rims available.

2 A different suspension set up that does not overstress the air bags when lifted.

3 A dual battery system that has a built-in solar power charger. These trucks are so dependent on electricity we need every possible backup system to make sure they're ready for the challenge ahead.

4 This may be a pipe dream but aluminum bumpers, rock sliders and air Compressor guard.

5 Finding out the things this truck needs that I don’t even know about.


Start at the start.
Tires are the foundation of any build, and that is were we will begin.

When I’m asked for recommendations about building a truck the first thing I ask back is "What size tires do you want to run"? The answer to that for this project was "stuff a 33 under it". Unfortunately it's not that easy on a Disco 3. Our Disco like most HSE’s came with 19in wheels. To say the 19in tire selection is dismal is an overstatement and now we find ourselves at issue number one on my list. Rim selection. What most people do is go out and find a used set of 18 inch rims. That's not a bad option but I think Lucky8 can do better. Remember when I said we needed to be innovative? Well I don't want to let you down so have a look at this video.


17' on a LR3 / Discoery 3 - YouTube

[the_preacher1973]

Been reading your other thread on the P38 and loving it even though I don't have one.

Can't wait for this one!

[the_preacher1973]

Lucky8’s Project Discovery 3


When I’m asked for recommendations about building a truck the first thing I ask back is "What size tires do you want to run"? The answer to that for this project was "stuff a 33 under it". Unfortunately it's not that easy on a Disco 3. Our Disco like most HSE’s came with 19in wheels. To say the 19in tire selection is dismal is an overstatement and now we find ourselves at issue number one on my list. Rim selection. What most people do is go out and find a used set of 18 inch rims. That's not a bad option but I think Lucky8 can do better. Remember when I said we needed to be innovative? Well I don't want to let you down so have a look at this video.


17' on a LR3 / Discoery 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Qhuj_pVwk&feature=share&list=UUUnCLXtAqip_9qd-T1NenbA)

What engine does your car have?

[~Rich~]

USA LR3 vehicles only came with the V8 Petrol.

[gghaggis]

Lucky8’s Project Discovery 3


A side from the standard bolt on goodies here is a quick list of things I would like to accomplish.

1 expanding the selection of rims available.

2 A different suspension set up that does not overstress the air bags when lifted.

3 A dual battery system that has a built-in solar power charger. These trucks are so dependent on electricity we need every possible backup system to make sure they're ready for the challenge ahead.

4 This may be a pipe dream but aluminum bumpers, rock sliders and air Compressor guard.

5 Finding out the things this truck needs that I don’t even know about.


Have a look at the website in my sig below.

Cheers,

Gordon

[FiveSPDDisco]

Been reading your other thread on the P38 and loving it even though I don't have one.

Can't wait for this one!

Thank you. I hope you enjoy this one also.

[FiveSPDDisco]

USA LR3 vehicles only came with the V8 Petrol.

In 05 and I think in 06 you could get a Petrol V6. They are very rare for sure.

[FiveSPDDisco]

Have a look at the website in my sig below.

Cheers,

Gordon

Thanks for the link.

[FiveSPDDisco]

Lucky8’s Project Discovery 3 Update : 17’s on my feet.

Why 17s you may ask? When you flip through a tire catalog you can not help but notice the unbelievable selection of 17 inch mud tires. Now consider the additional half-inch cushion provided by the sidewall. Those two factors alone made it a no-brainer to pursue a 17in rim option for the Disco. Putting 17in rims on a V8 is not as easy as bolting the wheels up and driving away. First off there is the rim selection or I should say lack there of it. I could not find any 17in aftermarket rims for the Disco 3. The next logical step was to try and make some.

First we had to find the right combination of parts to allow the rim to clear the break caliber.

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The next hurdle was contending with the off set. We definitely wanted additional offset to help compensate for the narrow stance on a lifted truck. The stock offset is 6 3/8

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The minimum offset we could make the rim without compromising the strength and clear the caliber was 4 3/8.

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The end result was this bit of magic.


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Picking the tire size was the next issue.

With the added offset the truck gained a more powerful stance. Unfortunately there was a downside to the extra offset. The tires wanted to rub the molding in front of the doors when the wheel was turned. Our first try was a 33/12.50/17 Mud Grappler. We could not turn the wheel with out it jamming into the side molding in front of the doors. Just for reference the front bumper had no chance of survival with these wide boys on. Next up was a more reasonable choice, 285/70/17 Trail Grappler. This size rubbed a little in hi mode on the molding in front of the doors and again the bumper had no chance of survival. When it is acceptable to take a sawsall to the fenders this is the tire size I will probably go with. Finally we were able to sneak by with a 255/75/17 Trail Grappler. They clear the molding in front of the doors and just touch the bumper. Knowing that the front bumper is on the way out the 255’s became our new tire. I was hoping for a true 33 but had to settle on the 32s.

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This is the only rubbing we are getting and could easily be avoided with a little smaller tire.

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This is how the truck sits in high mode

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A stock D2 for reference.

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The extra offset is about spot on for a 2 1/2 inch lifted truck in my opinion. Here are some side-by-side pictures of the truck in high mode . As you can see the stock tire is tucked way inside the fender well.

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Here is a picture with the Lucky8 wheel tire combination and it sitting almost flush with the fender flare.

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Let me know what you think about this set up.

And finally the poser pic, Boriana on ice.

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[Redback]

Pretty good mate, but pretty much what guys are doing here as a standard mod when going to 17s, but we are lucky here as we have the diesel, which has smaller brake calipers, so 17s are a common fit.

Dynamic, Gecko and Performance wheels do a steel rim with a better offset than standard in the steel rim, Performance also do an alloy rim for the D3 and early D4, also BMW X5 rims from 2002 to 2006 will fit, with 42(offset/backspace) as apposed to 57 of the standard rim.

Love reading all the stuff you guys do, you should more here:D

Baz.

[rb30gtr]

Looks really good,

The offset is a bit confusing, what offest did that end up as?

Has anyone tried hanging the tyres out of the guards with spacers or extreme offsets to fit, say a 315/60/17? wide but still a 32

[gghaggis]

Changing the offset by too much will start to impact on the CV's - remember it's not a live axle vehicle.

Cheers,

Gordon

[tempestv8]

Hanging the tyres outside the guards is a fail for road worthiness in Australia, and same goes for wheel spacers. :angel:

[ozscott]

Several of your countrymen on Discoweb described it as Redneck ....whilst form should follow function on a 4wd I have to agree. And increasing unsprung weight is not a good idea.

Cheerx

[FiveSPDDisco]

Love reading all the stuff you guys do, you should more here:D

Baz.


Thank you

[FiveSPDDisco]

Looks really good,

The offset is a bit confusing, what offest did that end up as?

Has anyone tried hanging the tyres out of the guards with spacers or extreme offsets to fit, say a 315/60/17? wide but still a 32

They are 4.5 inch back spacing. It is 2in more then stock.

[FiveSPDDisco]

Changing the offset by too much will start to impact on the CV's - remember it's not a live axle vehicle.

Cheers,

Gordon

I don't know how that would effect the CVs. It will put more stress on the wheel bearing but this is also true for a solid axel truck.

[FiveSPDDisco]

Several of your countrymen on Discoweb described it as Redneck ....whilst form should follow function on a 4wd I have to agree.

I don't understand? Do you mean function should follow form?

We are making the wheel fit and the design is what came from that task. This would be form following function.



And increasing unsprung weight is not a good idea.

Cheerx

Are you saying not to add bigger heavier tires? Or do you think the steel 17in rim weighs more then the 18in alloy?

[FiveSPDDisco]

Lucky8’s Project Discovery 3 Update : Ugly shoes

Ok so everyone and their stepmother hated the silver rims. I get it! Please stop with the hate mail.
Really
Please stop.

I was hoping the silver and green would look good. Unfortunately for me this was wrong but I have made amends. Here is the rim in black.

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Full of chest pounding confidents in my new black rims we headed off to the winter romp.

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The best way to describe the conditions at this years winter romp is sugar. This powder sugar type snow made movement almost impossible and if you got off the beaten path , well as they say in the big city forget about it.

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After battling most of the nigh through mounds of sugar snow I had no love left for the LR3. I’ll throw this question out there. Why the hell did the engineer responsible for traction control turn off power to the motor when it is needed most?

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I had enough of traction control, terrain response and kinetic straps for one night. It was time for bed.

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Early the next morning I went out to scowl at the Lr3. Believe me when I tell you this, I wanted it to be good. But every time I need it the truck it would let me down. I finished my tiny breakfast at Big Gs and went back out to give it another go.

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The trail conditions changed a little over night for the better giving the Nittos some solid ground to bite. If you listen closely to this video clip you will hear how hard I had to work the truck to get it through what seems like an easy snow-covered trail.

Short LR3 Winter Romp clip - YouTube

I was able to enjoy the truck a little more the second day, and to be honest everything was getting stuck out there.

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There is no poser pic today but I do have two videos and a question.

Video one is a well equipped Disco3 on a 2in lift running snow chains. This truck was in rock mode as it tried to cross a sugar patch. Although both lockers were engaged the computer would not let the truck pick up the speed needed to get across.

Short LR3 Winter Romp clip 2 - YouTube

Video two is the L8 Disco 3 in sand mode. I had to flog it all the way through the sugar patch. By keeping the REV’s up and all the wheels spinning about the same speed my new nemesis, the computer did not shut down the engine.

Short LR3 Winter Romp clip 3 - YouTube

Now the question.
What setting in terrain response is your favorite and why?

[gghaggis]

Now the question.
What setting in terrain response is your favorite and why?

This question has no answer - the "best" setting will depend on the terrain. It sounds like you haven't learnt how to drive the TR without triggering the DSC.

Cheers,

Gordon

[gghaggis]

Lucky8’s Project Discovery 3 Update : Ugly shoes


Video one is a well equipped Disco3 on a 2in lift running snow chains. This truck was in rock mode as it tried to cross a sugar patch. Although both lockers were engaged the computer would not let the truck pick up the speed needed to get across.

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Well no, you can't use Rock-crawl when you require momentum - hence the "crawl" part of the name!!

Cheers,

Gordon

[Geedublya]

I would have thought that in snow DSC off and TR set to GGS or even sand would have been best. You could also try Mud Ruts in deep snow.

Trial and error with the TR settings and throttle positioning and use would probably find the optimum for the conditions.

[bbyer]

I agree, there was virtually no snow on the trail.

About all I can think of is that the rubber on the tyres is a warm weather desert sand or mud rubber, not a winter snow rubber.

I drive in that sort of snow about five months a year here with not a lot of problems. I do have winter rubber however, (the narrow 235 65 R18 XL stock sized Pirelli Ice and Snow), and am careful not to spin my tyres as the tread gets wet and then for certain there is no traction. Also narrow rubber is better in both snow and mud; wide works best for sand so one can float on top. One might air down for sand or rock, but not for snow or mud.

If I am on a real road in six inches to a foot of snow, my max speed might be 40/50 miles an hour; off road, maybe 10/20 mph as I do not want to be jerking my steering wheel around as I will for certain go off the trail. When it is for real deep snow, I will stop and look for some time before I proceed and then it will be slowly - about the only time I have used low range was thru snow - perhaps push forward, reverse, push forward again, that sort of thing. Also stop on level or high places so you are pointing down; you do not want to have to start by going uphill if you can avoid it; you do not want to spin your wheels.

I also might have the truck sitting at max height just to make certain the belly is not dragging when at low speed and in deep snow.

On paved or gravelled government roads, probably I am using the snow setting as I think the anti skid works there quite well and the gas pedal sensitivity is tamed down; for slow speed off road, probably in the mud and ruts instead. In all cases, the goal is to remain between the ditches; where you are on the road does not matter as long as you are on the road.

As to oncoming traffic, slow right down but keep moving and memorize the road ahead. They may maintain speed and you will be in a whiteout for maybe 30 very long seconds. That also means you let other guys pass you and you keep a real distance behind traffic as there is a tendency to follow them into the ditch if following too close or just run into the back of them as from the rear, with their tail light covered in snow, they tend to look just like a heavy snow storm - in fact that is the clue - if the snow suddenly gets real thick in front of you, slack off.

My general feeling is that in snow, speed is not desirable as you will bounce in the ruts and loose control; yes, keeping momentum up is important, but do not spin the wheels as the rubber gets wet.

Looking at the pictures, it looks to me like it was fairly warm out and the thread was very clean - usually snow is packed in the grooves and I did not see any.

Those are my thoughts - others may disagree.

[lpj]

I agree, there was virtually no snow on the trail. About all I can think of is that the rubber on the tyres is a warm weather desert sand or mud rubber, not a winter snow rubber. I drive in that sort of snow about five months a year here with not a lot of problems. I do have winter rubber however, (the narrow 235 65 R18 XL stock sized Pirelli Ice and Snow), and am careful not to spin my tyres as the tread gets wet and then for certain there is no traction. Also narrow rubber is better in both snow and mud; wide works best for sand so one can float on top. One might air down for sand or rock, but not for snow or mud. If I am on a real road in six inches to a foot of snow, my max speed might be 40/50 miles an hour; off road, maybe 10/20 mph as I do not want to be jerking my steering wheel around as I will for certain go off the trail. When it is for real deep snow, I will stop and look for some time before I proceed and then it will be slowly - about the only time I have used low range was thru snow - perhaps push forward, reverse, push forward again, that sort of thing. Also stop on level or high places so you are pointing down; you do not want to have to start by going uphill if you can avoid it; you do not want to spin your wheels. I also might have the truck sitting at max height just to make certain the belly is not dragging when at low speed and in deep snow. On paved or gravelled government roads, probably I am using the snow setting as I think the anti skid works there quite well and the gas pedal sensitivity is tamed down; for slow speed off road, probably in the mud and ruts instead. In all cases, the goal is to remain between the ditches; where you are on the road does not matter as long as you are on the road. As to oncoming traffic, slow right down but keep moving and memorize the road ahead. They may maintain speed and you will be in a whiteout for maybe 30 very long seconds. That also means you let other guys pass you and you keep a real distance behind traffic as there is a tendency to follow them into the ditch if following too close or just run into the back of them as from the rear, with their tail light covered in snow, they tend to look just like a heavy snow storm - in fact that is the clue - if the snow suddenly gets real thick in front of you, slack off. My general feeling is that in snow, speed is not desirable as you will bounce in the ruts and loose control; yes, keeping momentum up is important, but do not spin the wheels as the rubber gets wet. Looking at the pictures, it looks to me like it was fairly warm out and the thread was very clean - usually snow is packed in the grooves and I did not see any. Those are my thoughts - others may disagree.

Interesting post.

This just goes to show that you need to know your vehicle and it's capabilities well- and then choose the right settings for the conditions.

Most of us over here (In AUS) may be competent on steep rocky climbs, sand and even mud- but most of us wouldn't get the chance to drive in snow for months on end!

[Geedublya]

The info about not spinning and melting the snow is gold. Makes perfect sense when you think about, I'm guessing that the melted snow quickly forms ice.

[bbyer]

Tire spinning seems to work in mud but not in snow; you either go sideways or are just stuck; and yes, spinning rubber makes water and ice, good in a glass on a hot day, but not the best under your wheels in the winter.

The comment I made in the previous post re the Terrain Response Snow setting about the gas pedal getting softer, (sensitivity tamed down), is Land Rovers way of reducing the tendency for a wheel to spin upon startup or even when rolling.

On startup in snow on a nice winter day, (warmer than -15C or +5F), particularily when the sun is out, any degree of tyre spin will ice up the snow under plus the heat generated by prolonged tyre spin melts the snow to lubricate the newly formed ice. Greased ball bearings is what you have and the odds are you lurch sideways rather than tracking forward.


You can guess what happens if as the vehicle starts to edge sideways, you goose it. If you have lockers, it is instant spin out and the ditch; that is why I made the comment that success is remaining between the ditches.

Interestingly, real cold snow is easier to drive on. When it gets tending towards -40 C, (-40F), most drivers wisely stay home so for the most part, the only guys left on the highways out of town are people paid to drive. As such, traffic tends to be reduced so you only have to drive for yourself. The posers are already in the ditch.

The jpg I took in May of last year was almost a typical snow removal day out on the jobsite. A D6 widepad will get stuck if the operator allows a track to spin as well - ice it up under a track and the Cat is stopped or start spinning in a circle.

[SBD4]

bbyer, your advice on snow driving is invaluable & greatly appreciated - unlike it was in the General Chat section recently ;)

[bbyer]

Until you mentioned it, I had never looked in the General Chat - yes, it is different.

I found the jpg below on a US Forum of a 3 handling a bit of snow with true spirit. My guess is the 3 is going about 40 mph in the snow setting, high range, normal height, and near stock wheels.

The brush bar makes a good looking driving light mount. I presume someone on the forum will know this 3.

[crash]

BBYER has made an important point about traction in snow. Snow grips snow, you actually want your treads full of snow (not ice). Specific snow tyres are designed to do this. Unlike mud where spinning the tyres is to clear the treads to gain traction. Aggressive tyres in snow is the same as aggressive tyres in sand - they are designed to dig, where an all terrain is better in these situations.
An narrow agressive tyre can be an advantage in snow if you have a good base under the snow where the tyres can dig down too to get grip on the surface below the snow.

[ozscott]

I don't understand? Do you mean function should follow form?

We are making the wheel fit and the design is what came from that task. This would be form following function.




Are you saying not to add bigger heavier tires? Or do you think the steel 17in rim weighs more then the 18in alloy?

Mate you answered your question by fitting a much better looking combo that retains good function. My point was you could have the best of both worlds...and now you have!

Cheers

[patsaunders]

This question has no answer - the "best" setting will depend on the terrain. It sounds like you haven't learnt how to drive the TR without triggering the DSC.

Hi Gordon, Can I just clarify the quote above? I thought you could switch the DSC off, Is it possible to "trigger" the DSC even if its off?

thanks

[gghaggis]

The DSC can be de-sensitised, but not actually switched off, so yes you can still trigger it.

Cheers,

Gordon

[patsaunders]

Thanks @gghaggis ,

Thats really good to know, I get my D3 on saturday and was planning to take it for a test run off road. I do most of my off road work on the sand and all the threads I've read about Discos in sand say that DSC is a big cause of getting stuck and to "make sure DSC is OFF." Handy to know I can still trigger it.

Hopefully get to meet you at a training day soon.

Thanks!

[letherm]

Thanks @gghaggis ,

Thats really good to know, I get my D3 on saturday and was planning to take it for a test run off road. I do most of my off road work on the sand and all the threads I've read about Discos in sand say that DSC is a big cause of getting stuck and to "make sure DSC is OFF." Handy to know I can still trigger it.

Hopefully get to meet you at a training day soon.

Thanks!

Hi Patsaunders.

Don't forget that the DSC resets back to on when you turn the engine off :)

[patsaunders]

Thanks letherm,

I've read that a few times in the forums, cant wait to get out and have a crack next weekend. It's going to be a long week.