My troubles with the law continues

[Mick_Marsh]

Got home to find a police card lodged in the wire door.
I rang the number given. Apparently I have been involved in an accident.
"Not me." I said. "I'm sure I would have noticed."
"What were you doing on such and such date?"
"I don't remember. It was quite some time ago."
I was tempted to say "Having an accident, apparently." but realising most police don't seem to understand sarcasm, I thought better of it.
I went out and checked the cars. No new damage to the Landy.except what I did to the bull bar when I pulled the hibiscus root out. And the panel damage to the Commodore from the roo strike back in May. Or was it June.
Oh, well. I guess I'll find out all about it when I pop into the station tomorrow.

[SPROVER]

Maybe someone put in a complaint about you hitting the roo! :D:D Animal cruelty and all that.:lol2:

[Ausfree]

Sounds like you are about to have a "fun" day, Mick!!;)

[Mick_Marsh]

Sounds like you are about to have a "fun" day, Mick!!;)
And I thought the fun day was boxing day when the police woman who pulled me over for having "a bent number plate" said she was about to shoot me. She did say I may have had a concealed weapon. I was going to say "I have in my pants." but experience has shown very few police have a sense of humour.

[amtravic1]

A few years ago I had two police officers at the door saying I left the scene of an accident in Werribbee. I have not been to Werribbee for 12 months or so says I. My car (Range Rover) is out in the drive, go and inspect it if you like I said. They go out and find no damage then go away saying something like a wrong number plate must have been written down.
A little while later I start getting letters from the other persons insurance company demanding money. I ignored them for a while then rang my insurance company for advice as to what to do. They said they would sort it out and I did not hear another thing.

[V8Ian]

When are visiting times at Bluestone College Mick? I'll get a "Help Mick Do His Time" visiting roster happening.

[drifter]

When are visiting times at Bluestone College Mick? I'll get a "Help Mick Do His Time" visiting roster happening.

Good thinking.

I'll offer to look after the 101's

Who is keen on the Mercs?

[Mick_Marsh]

I've had an insurance company hassle me for when I reversed my white Commodore into their clients car at Chadstone shopping centre.
"I've never been to Chadstone." I said.
"You may have forgotten." they said.
"My Commodore is blue and I haven't forgotten that." I replied.
They didn't call me again.

Speaking to the policeman on the phone, he wanted to confirm I was who I was. He couldn't quite grasp that I have two phone numbers (three including the mobile). They'd been ringing the fax machine for two weeks.
From the confusion on the phone numbers, I thought they were investigating drugs. I keep getting calls from a fellow who wants to buy cocaine.

I think it might be time to move.

[Mick_Marsh]

When are visiting times at Bluestone College Mick? I'll get a "Help Mick Do His Time" visiting roster happening.
Hey! A friend is a screw at a prison. I'll see if I can get in there.
They pay you in prison, don't they? Give you an allowance? It'd be better money than what I'm getting now.

[Graeme]

Our house is 2km from the road and our property is the only one on the road that has a house, not that one can tell from the front gate but there is a property name on the gate. 2 police vehicles arrived outside the house late one night with lights flashing and eventually 2 police came to the front door. Almost no-one comes to our house and no-one comes to the front door - except the police it seems. Anyway they start talking serious stuff then wonder why I'm not worried until they ask my name then the road name. Our road until a couple of years ago had for 50 years the same name as one 15 kms further along the main road...

[sheerluck]

.....the police woman who pulled me over for having "a bent number plate" said she was about to shoot me.......

Wow! I'd heard they were going to increase the penalties for selected motoring offences, but that takes the biscuit! :eek:

[bob10]

Perhaps you should go to ground for a while, you have upset someone, Bob

[Mick_Marsh]

Think I'll go to Brighton in Brisbane. Seems quiet there, except for the bad beer.
Got a room, Bob?

[d@rk51d3]

Has Digger aquired a taste for 101's now? :D

[scarry]

Hey! A friend is a screw at a prison. I'll see if I can get in there.
They pay you in prison, don't they? Give you an allowance? It'd be better money than what I'm getting now.

Not bad food either they say.

But just be careful in the shower....:p

[bob10]

Think I'll go to Brighton in Brisbane. Seems quiet there, except for the bad beer.
Got a room, Bob?


Newman would get ya., It is quiet, & a good place to live. You would like it. Some rough diamonds here, but it's, ok, I know most of them. As for the room? there is room for only one Alpha male in my home, Bob
:D

[Any]

I had a white mazda ute i bought from a dealer, then isold it to my mate and bought it back a year later. I get a fine through the post from a town i' ve never been to and then another and another. So I' m drinking with my mate and ask him if he 's ever had a fine for that ute, he calls his wife who comes out with a file of 18 fines all from this town! Then he gets a call to say the cops have issued a warrant for his arrest, we demand to see the speed photos - all of white chev ute with our numberplate on it, whivh we point out to the cops. Next fine ( including photo of chev ) states- white mazda! We had to take photos and make statutary declarations and get witnesses to say we worked in the town we live in!

[Mick_Marsh]

I had a white mazda ute i bought from a dealer, then isold it to my mate and bought it back a year later. I get a fine through the post from a town i' ve never been to and then another and another. So I' m drinking with my mate and ask him if he 's ever had a fine for that ute, he calls his wife who comes out with a file of 18 fines all from this town! Then he gets a call to say the cops have issued a warrant for his arrest, we demand to see the speed photos - all of white chev ute with our numberplate on it, whivh we point out to the cops. Next fine ( including photo of chev ) states- white mazda! We had to take photos and make statutary declarations and get witnesses to say we worked in the town we live in!
That's not the police, that's the Traffic Infringements Office. Key punching bureaucrats.
If you ever get an infringement from them, look at the photo. It's surprising how often, if they can't read the plate, they fine the best guess.

[Bigbjorn]

Perhaps you should arrange for some KY jelly to be smuggled in to you.

[uninformed]

Dont come up here, they are going zero tolerance on us now. I got pulled over during a RBT for non compliant mud flaps on new years day. My 110 tray back did not have any. It has a rear guard but no mud flaps. That is how it came when I bought it second hand from the LR dealer 14 years ago. Never been told otherwise during other stops etc. No warning, infact he had the ticket book out and turned to the next page before he even said a word to me.

oh and had a big go at me about my bent licence plate. Thats a big one as the cameras cant see them...

[The ho har's]

Mick I am not sure if we should be friends with you any more:o:wasntme:

Mrs hh:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

Dont come up here, they are going zero tolerance on us now. I got pulled over during a RBT for non compliant mud flaps on new years day. My 110 tray back did not have any. It has a rear guard but no mud flaps. That is how it came when I bought it second hand from the LR dealer 14 years ago. Never been told otherwise during other stops etc. No warning, infact he had the ticket book out and turned to the next page before he even said a word to me.

oh and had a big go at me about my bent licence plate. Thats a big one as the cameras cant see them...
So, I'm not the only one then. Mud flaps is a good point. Mine fell off years ago. I must consult the ADR's.
The Commodore doesn't have mud flaps. Never did. Neither of the Mercs have mud flaps.

[Mick_Marsh]

Mick I am not sure if we should be friends with you any more:o:wasntme:

Mrs hh:angel:
I am seriously considering selling the Commodore. It's a magnet to the police.
It's a shame really. It's been such a good car and still is. I've just traveled hundreds of km to pick up Gav's gearbox, Wayne's wheels and a whole lot of other things and it has performed faultlessly bringing them back to Vic. with me in comfort. Not bad for a 20yo car that's done almost 440,000 on the original engine.
The only reason I am considering selling is to stop this harassment. I never get pulled over in the Merc.
When I move it on we can be friends again.

[uninformed]

So, I'm not the only one then. Mud flaps is a good point. Mine fell off years ago. I must consult the ADR's.
The Commodore doesn't have mud flaps. Never did. Neither of the Mercs have mud flaps.

Mine should have had them from the dealer ( as they sold it with saftey cert, oh and I got a full RACQ independant pre perchase check done, nothing mentioned there either...) Yes it was non compliant, But I had never been previously warned and was unaware that it was not compliant.

meh, thats what Australia has come to...

[isuzurover]

I bought a saab 900 turbo a while back from a mate. Shortly after, I was pulled up by the police (number plate recognition).

"Our records show the owner of this vehicle is unlicenced"

I asked my mate, he got pulled over by a cop who took issue with the fact that he (legitimately) had a UK licence. Must have put the note on the system to get back at him.

[101RRS]

Mine should have had them from the dealer ( as they sold it with saftey cert, oh and I got a full RACQ independant pre perchase check done, nothing mentioned there either...) Yes it was non compliant, But I had never been previously warned and was unaware that it was not compliant.

Mud flaps are not "law" in themselves - mudflaps are only required where the mudguard does not come down low enough to the required height above the ground. My box trailer does not need mudflaps as the rear of the mudguard is extended.

[UncleHo]

From memory rear mudguards or mudflaps must extend to a horizontal line with the axle,fronts to below the axle line but to not interfere with wheel movement.

That was the ruling for the first of the ADR's in 72, pre ADR built vehicles were exempt,that is why Holden HQ's had front and rear flaps when new.

[Blknight.aus]

I bought a saab 900 turbo a while back from a mate. Shortly after, I was pulled up by the police (number plate recognition).

"Our records show the owner of this vehicle is unlicenced"

I asked my mate, he got pulled over by a cop who took issue with the fact that he (legitimately) had a UK licence. Must have put the note on the system to get back at him.


I've had that one. But I've never had a suspended license.

In my case the person I had bought a car off of had lost their license but the dept of motor vehicles had not completed the transfer.

A friend has had similar (Done for DUI) and the advise he was given was to reply "true, now prove I was driving it." He Wasnt I was and apart from the extra 30 odd kilos, lack of hair, tats, and beard he had at the time you could mistake us for identical twins excepting that I have different coloured eyes and all my teeth..

[Zute]

I've had some lucky escapes with the cops, that I've been amazed that I got away with.
Riding an old trail bike,I was pulled over for not using my blinker to make a right hand turn. I had used it, but the switch hadn't worked.
I pointed out that the lane I was in "must turn right". Just at this time some ruff looking locals, across the road, piped in that I should "get a Harley".
He must have felt sorry for me and sent me on my way.
What he didn't notice was the lack of current rego label or keys in damaged ignition. I was expecting to be cuffed.

[3toes]

About 20 years ago in Brisbane I was on my way home from work at about 11pm when was pulled over by the Police.

Claimed I had not indicated when turned left at the lights in a turn left only lane. (QC who is a friend later advised me that you do not have to indicate if there is no alternative so this would not stand) Then they wanted to do a breath test. Passed this so they decided to do a roadside inspection of the Holden. Now it had mud flaps as they were on it when I bought it. After about 5 minutes of looking and checking found nothing wrong and told me to go straight home. This being where I was on my way to before they stopped me! Being the cleaner of the local shopping centre and working after hours I used to dress down for work. So not likely I was going anywhere else.

While at work used to have regular visits from the local Police in their unmarked patrol cars. They knew I worked on my own and if my car was in the car park and I was not in sight they would come looking for me to make sure was OK. Told them about the adventure on my way home. Interesting that their reply was that this was the difference between real police who have to use their brains to outsmart criminals and traffic cops.

Did not tell either of them that while the rego was paid I had not remembered to put the sticker on the windscreen.

[oldyella 76]

Few years ago mate got a parking ticket sent to him for an overparked vehicle in Prahran. Only trouble was that it was a 300 hp John Deere 4 wheel tractor that would battle to get through a 12 ft gate, registered in Northern Vic.

[carjunkieanon]

I know a few cops and they all have a good sense of humour. (At least) one of them is convinced that deep down and heart all people are naturally good and decent (this after decades in the force).

That said, I'm sure they've heard every 'joke' in response to their job and they may simply not be in a laughing mood when they pull you over.

Stay safe lads.

R

[Hay Ewe]

After reading some of these events, I am tempted to quit the moto bike and either walk or cycle to work.
Its getting rediculus out there on the roads.

I read on another forum about a guy on a moto bike on Gold Coast area who got $40 fine for streatching his legs whilst riding his moto.
Turns out the top traffic cop in the area also rides moto's and waded in to the discussion and says that he does it as well!

Hay Ewe

[rover-56]

I know there are many reasonable and decent police officers, but the traffic branch seems to attract a particular thug personality.

Most recent experience was told to stop at a roadside check north of Alice at the Tanami turnoff. 6 "police officers" (thugs) descended on me, crawled all over my V8 110, just searching for something to fault. Found nothing, demanded to know what I had in the back (camping gear, all fully visible thru the windows) no politeness, demanded licence, breath test. 2 of them firing questions 'where are you from, where are you going' not letting me finish an answer before the next question. Very aggressive, would have been easy to respond aggressively. Wanted to know why I had a laptop open and running on the passenger seat etc. etc.

Clearly they were waiting for local indigenous people heading home (6:00pm local).

Welcome to NT I thought, although I have encountered similar types in Vic.

Complete opposite, local bloke here would help out anyone, any time. What a difference.

Terry

[bob10]

I know there are many reasonable and decent police officers, but the traffic branch seems to attract a particular thug personality.

Most recent experience was told to stop at a roadside check north of Alice at the Tanami turnoff. 6 "police officers" (thugs) descended on me, crawled all over my V8 110, just searching for something to fault. Found nothing, demanded to know what I had in the back (camping gear, all fully visible thru the windows) no politeness, demanded licence, breath test. 2 of them firing questions 'where are you from, where are you going' not letting me finish an answer before the next question. Very aggressive, would have been easy to respond aggressively. Wanted to know why I had a laptop open and running on the passenger seat etc. etc.

Clearly they were waiting for local indigenous people heading home (6:00pm local).

Welcome to NT I thought, although I have encountered similar types in Vic.

Complete opposite, local bloke here would help out anyone, any time. What a difference.

Terry


There would have been an "incident", it would not have been a normal check. Something would have gone down, something serious, possibly. Most times the NT Police are polite, [from my years living there] but when it hits the fan, expect a professional approach. If you have done no wrong, you have nothing to worry about. From my experience, NT Police do a very good job in difficult situations, quite often, Bob

[bob10]

Where we go wrong in Qld is, it should be law to put every vehicle over the pits every 2 years, for a roadworthy check. All defects fixed, or off the road. That might make sure most comply with the traffic laws, & may reduce the road toll. There are a lot of suss vehicles out there, Bob

[rover-56]

"expect a professional approach"

These guys were acting like bullies, not professionals, I had the distinct feeling that the two questioning me were trying to provoke a reaction.

Terry

[bob10]

"expect a professional approach"

These guys were acting like bullies, not professionals, I had the distinct feeling that the two questioning me were trying to provoke a reaction.

Terry


They were, but not the reaction you are thinking about. It's a tough country, mate, it aint Kansas, Toto. Bob

[superquag]

Hmm, so having a mandatory 'roadworthy' every year or two "may" reduce the road toll.

No, won't.


WA does'nt have yearly RWCs, and our road toll is supposedly higher than other states. Naturally, this is all due to us not biting the bullet and joining the rest of the herd. :angel:

Might I suggest that MVAs are more governed by driver attitudes and competance than by a crack in the windscreen's bottom corner...
Before you start frothing at the mouth, any driver who drives an obviously defective car has a huge 'attiitude' and/or competance problem.

An interstate visitor driving in WA and trying to change lanes or merge will quickly grasp a big part of our problem...

[V8Ian]

Neither do Queensland nor Victoria (BIDSTBC) and neither of them stand out as having stand out MVA statistics due to mechanical defects.

[d2dave]

Hmm, so having a mandatory 'roadworthy' every year or two "may" reduce the road toll.

No, won't.



Agree. The reason that Vic does not have yearly RWC is that police reckon that from their research, very few accidents are actually caused by unroadworthy cars.

[superquag]

Neither do Queensland nor Victoria (BIDSTBC) and neither of them stand out as having stand out MVA statistics due to mechanical defects.

My apologies for the implied slander ! :D - So it's only NSW that has them? - the yearly RWC that can also be done at local, designated mechanical workshops etc. Or is it only on change of ownership?


Certain States in the USA used to use (still?) a broad-ranging "Steering Failure" as a euphemism for 'passenger holding the wheel' which also allowed for the possibility of a mechanical defect, if ever...:angel:
Too many folk think it's the latter.:p

[Graeme]

the yearly RWC that can also be done at local, designated mechanical workshops Annual inspections for most vehicles over a couple of years old by mechanics certified by the RTA for one of more classes of inspection. Regular checks are done by RTA inspectors of vehicles passed by the mechanic to ensure compliance.

[JDNSW]

Agree. The reason that Vic does not have yearly RWC is that police reckon that from their research, very few accidents are actually caused by unroadworthy cars.

This is one possibility, but the other is that the roadworthy checks do not remove unroadworthy cars from the road, either because the checks don't work (for about $33, exactly how good a check do you expect!) or because the checks do nothing to ensure cars remain roadworthy until the next check.

In my view, all of these apply.

For a start, very few accidents are contributed to by mechanical failures - these do happen, but so do apparently healthy drivers collapsing (probably more frequently); and we don't expect annual medical tests for all drivers.

Inspections cannot occupy a mechanic for long - usually it is a pretty cursory check that will detect any obvious defects. And how often have you heard of people borrowing a set of wheels for the pink slip?

Finally, where vehicle problems do contribute to accidents, the component most commonly at fault is the tyres. These can only be defected if they are illegal. But what is barely legal today will be illegal and dangerous next month, let alone next year, but may well not be replaced until just before the next inspection. I am reminded of an encounter with black ice several years ago on the Barton Hwy one morning - came round a corner (slowly) to find a car next to the road, shiny side down, with the wheels still slowly turning. As I helped the (uninjured) driver out, I was able to clearly see that the three completely bald tyres would have undoubtedly contributed (so, of course did the weather, the road design, and the driver's skills). This was a NSW registered car operating under the annual inspection regime. (For completeness I remember an accident in Bridge road in Melbourne contributed to by rain plus bald tyres and injudicious brake application.)

One of the advantages of having different state jurisdictions is that it allows us to see the usefulness (or otherwise) of this sort of thing. Of course, taking note of the fact that it does nothing useful except keep people employed is another matter!

John

[101RRS]

Haven't heard from Mick on how he went following this up - guess he is in gaol - hope he has not dropped the soap.

[V8Ian]

He'll be going to job interviews with a striped suntan.

[Bigbjorn]

He'll be going to job interviews with a striped suntan.

After he visits a proctologist.:D

[Blknight.aus]

why, he could just ask the guy who does the "in" inspections for the details....

[Mick_Marsh]

Haven't heard from Mick on how he went following this up - guess he is in gaol - hope he has not dropped the soap.

He'll be going to job interviews with a striped suntan.

After he visits a proctologist.:D
Thank you all for your concern.
Went down to the local cop shop. A lovely, smiling, polite police woman dealt with my inquiry. The policeman investigating the matter is on leave. She was unable to help me any further. So, I must wait.

[87County]

no doubt you've all seen this


Queensland Police Harrassment - YouTube

[Blknight.aus]

no doubt you've all seen this


Queensland Police Harrassment - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU)

I like the..

"I dont know who you are you havent identified yourself to me for my safetly please stop filming me...."

Shes holding his drivers lisence....

who caught the cop on the walkie talkie after shes standing in front of the long list of red lined circles that mean dont and one of them is mobile communication devices...?

[V8Ian]

Ironically, Honest Mick has probably been hob knobbing with a highly respected member of the constabulary, this weekend. :nazilock:

[Mick_Marsh]

no doubt you've all seen this
No.
Poor bugger. Three cars and a van. The most I've had turn up was a Commodore and a Territory and that was for the bent number plate (which wasn't really bent).
On that occasion I was asked if the trailer was registered more than three times, if the trailer was registered in my name more than twice, if the car was registered more than twice, if the car was registered in my name more than twice and if the trailer and car were registered in my name more than twice. Oh, she asked my address a few times too.
Gee, I'm lucky.
These traffic police are either very thick, or they try to harass you into a reaction. I think it's the latter.

[Mick_Marsh]

Ironically, Honest Mick has probably been hob knobbing with a highly respected member of the constabulary, this weekend. :nazilock:
No. I'm home now.
The police I most highly respect are either interstate or in the north of the state.
Mind you, I think the local police are a respectable lot. The blow-ins tend to be the ones with attitude. They don't have to live here you see.

[The ho har's]

Good to see you are not in a lock up ;) OH and the car trailer has been sorted:)

Though you can still come up if you wish:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[Homestar]

no doubt you've all seen this


Queensland Police Harrassment - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU)

So what happened? Did they ping him for any mods to the bike? Watched for 10 minutes, and no outcome...

Bloody waste of Police resources having that many cars and personnel there. You would think 1 car and a couple of Cops could have sorted that - he was very helpful, answered all their questions and wasn't threatening, aggressive or anything. Looks like they were struggling to find anything to get him on.

And really, do they expect anyone to believe they don't know who the Misfit SMC are? They've done their homework, they know who they are - just picking on anyone riding a Harley who's wearing a vest of any description.

Dumb, dumb, dumb...

[Kev the Fridgy]

Misfits are no different to clubs like Ulysses or other "SMC" groups, I happen to know one and he is no outlaw, pretty decent fella, builder by trade, family man etc etc.... he also has been "questioned" many times since the VLAD laws came to being...... It's all getting a bit ridiculous IMO.... the QPS already had all the details of his bike on file including his personal details, photos etc etc.... still haven't been able to book him with anything

[sheerluck]

Misfits are no different to clubs like Ulysses or other "SMC" groups, I happen to know one and he is no outlaw, pretty decent fella, builder by trade, family man etc etc.... he also has been "questioned" many times since the VLAD laws came to being...... It's all getting a bit ridiculous IMO.... the QPS already had all the details of his bike on file including his personal details, photos etc etc.... still haven't been able to book him with anything

As old Benjamin Franklin said:
They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

In order to save ourselves from the 'reign of terror' of the bikie gangs, we're at the stage where a guy can't go out for a ride on his bike, wearing a leather vest. :(

[London Boy]

On that occasion I was asked if the trailer was registered more than three times, if the trailer was registered in my name more than twice, if the car was registered more than twice, if the car was registered in my name more than twice and if the trailer and car were registered in my name more than twice. Oh, she asked my address a few times too.
Gee, I'm lucky.
These traffic police are either very thick, or they try to harass you into a reaction. I think it's the latter.
Pretty sure you're right. They try to get you to say something a bit inconsistent, and then try to use that as a wedge. Verbal tricks, then if they get an opening, bullying. You just have to listen for it and don't fall into the trap.

[Blknight.aus]

and they dont like it if you know how to do it back....

its fun watching an MP and a copper go toe to toe...

[Treads]

just picking on anyone riding a Harley who's wearing a vest of any description.


Yep, stuff knows why any copper would pull this winner over....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/725.jpg


:rolleyes:

[rovercare]

Exactly, why? Pigheaded attitude, they teach children not to judge on looks in school these days to prevent bullying...

[olbod]

The bad guys will be targetted and prosecuted and the innocent have nothing to fear, the man said. Fair enough and the way it should be.
But what seperates the good from the bad at first glance ?
The good guys dont have an identifying halo to seperate them from the scum.
So be good and be on yer way.
But we are becoming a police state in every other way also and I hate that.
Example: dont pay the dog registration fee and you can lose your driving licence or car unregistered.

The rules are changing for the worst daily and if I had me druthers I'd druther be somewhere else but there isn't anywhere else.

Watched the movie, The Irishman, the other night and ordered the dvd yesterday.
By cripes I envy those times and freedom and remember they lived in the modern world of the day.

Sigh.

[Mick_Marsh]

Hey Treads, Why would you pull over the fellow on the bike?

More to the point for me, and the topic of this thread, why would you pull over an old Commodore towing a little trailer that is being driven by a grumpy old bastard with his elderly mother as a passenger, tell them you were about to shoot them, then hassle them.

If you really wanted to do damage to organised crime, start investigating people who drive these.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/721.jpg

[rovercare]

He must be new school constable type, they are trained to have no discretion and suspect everyone, it's sad they are trained to be ******

Vicpol used to place people in rural towns that would fit in the community and get along, now the put ****** in with little regard to how they fit in

But hey, while we feel the need to categorize, let's try this

Police hit with 661 criminal charges | theage.com.au (http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/police-hit-with-661-criminal-charges-20130316-2g7u0.html)

[PhilipA]

Maybe this is why the lady cop was nervous about being filmed.

.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/photos-of-cops-found-in-qld-bikie-raids/story-fn3dxiwe-122680329058

Look I know that the number of cops involved in the stop was over the top, but may I ask the question.
Is this bloke just stupid or does he deliberately go out to attract cop attention with the hope he can have his 15 minutes of fame on Facebook/Utube?

He must have been aware that his "colours" would attract police attention the FIRST time he was pulled up.

How difficult is it to wear a coat without patches while the current campaign is on.

I have to say I personally believe that people who need patches etc are pretty pathetic especially when they MIMIC outlaw gangs without really being an outlaw. Why? To intimidate? What statement are they making? Maybe "I am a mild mannered accountant trying HARD to look tough"

I rode a motorcycle for 40 years without EVER being pulled over by a cop.
Regards Philip A

[worane]

Wow I have just watched that clip about the nine members of the police force that wasted all that tax payer money (time). to give that bike rider a hard time.
The overall feeling I got out of that clip was a feeling of rising anger.
They are not there to help us any more as they once were.
I know where this , in this case is coming from, the fact that the really bad ass bikers need to be controlled.
That fat chick cop had a very poor attitude that hopefully she will grow out of.... but I doubt it.

[PhilipA]

Got home to find a police card lodged in the wire door.
I rang
the number given. Apparently I have been involved in an accident.
"Not me." I said. "I'm sure I would have noticed."
"What
were you doing on such and such date?"

I dunno Mick, you seem to have no luck with cops.

I had exactly the same thing when someone reported my wife for backing into another car at Hardly Normals. The car owner of an old dunger Torana thought he would cash in, as he had some really bad damage on one corner.
The cop came to the door , I showed him NO mark on any corner of the Charade with very brittle plastic bumpers, he accepted that and went away.
My son regularly gets away without fines for what I consider outrageous antics, because he is dressed well and is polite to the cops involved. This is such a shock to them that they let him off. An example was a 100metre wheelie in front of a motorcycle cop on a GSXR1000 from traffic lights.

Most recent was lady cop last week for tinted paint on front number plate cover usually 3 points and $300.

Regards Philip A

[V8Ian]

The bad guys will be targetted and prosecuted and the innocent have nothing to fear, the man said. Fair enough and the way it should be.
But what seperates the good from the bad at first glance ?
The good guys dont have an identifying halo to seperate them from the scum.
So be good and be on yer way.
But we are becoming a police state in every other way also and I hate that.
Example: dont pay the dog registration fee and you can lose your driving licence or car unregistered.

The rules are changing for the worst daily and if I had me druthers I'd druther be somewhere else but there isn't anywhere else.

Watched the movie, The Irishman, the other night and ordered the dvd yesterday.
By cripes I envy those times and freedom and remember they lived in the modern world of the day.

Sigh.
Robert, weren't you paying attention at Saturday morning pictures? Good guys wear white hats, baddies wear black. :p

[Treads]

He must be new school constable type, they are trained to have no discretion and suspect everyone, it's sad they are trained to be ******

Vicpol used to place people in rural towns that would fit in the community and get along, now the put ****** in with little regard to how they fit in


What a load of ****. I assume that's just typical keyboard bravery? 'cos you couldn't be that dumb in real life? :blink:



EDIT: On second thoughts - let's go back to the good ol' days huh?

Break out the phone books lads

[UncleHo]

Oh dear! in regards to Treads pic in post 61,there is no way I would ride a M/cycle let alone a H-D (Highly Dangerous) without a leather jacket,nor would I allow a pillion on wearing what she is, irrespective if she is the "Old Lady", Current Squeeze, or Local Mattress, nobody deserves to get disfigured in a motorcycle accident, I personally seen to many female pillion passengers end up in intensive care, and they were the ones that lived :(

[UncleHo]

Aah! PhilipA :)

The old Phone book! been there and had that done to me,one plod holds the book against your chest while the other takes a running kick :eek: it doesn't leave a bruise that way,funny thing was that I could prove that I wasn't in that city at the alleged time, in other words :wasntme:
but it took an appearance in court to prove it,even got a letter of apology.

[bob10]

Aah! PhilipA :)

The old Phone book! been there and had that done to me,one plod holds the book against your chest while the other takes a running kick :eek: it doesn't leave a bruise that way,funny thing was that I could prove that I wasn't in that city at the alleged time, in other words :wasntme:
but it took an appearance in court to prove it,even got a letter of apology.


Let me guess, Sydney, Kings cross. Not Bumper? Bob

[bob10]

Maybe this is why the lady cop was nervous about being filmed.

.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/photos-of-cops-found-in-qld-bikie-raids/story-fn3dxiwe-122680329058

Look I know that the number of cops involved in the stop was over the top, but may I ask the question.
Is this bloke just stupid or does he deliberately go out to attract cop attention with the hope he can have his 15 minutes of fame on Facebook/Utube?

He must have been aware that his "colours" would attract police attention the FIRST time he was pulled up.

How difficult is it to wear a coat without patches while the current campaign is on.

I have to say I personally believe that people who need patches etc are pretty pathetic especially when they MIMIC outlaw gangs without really being an outlaw. Why? To intimidate? What statement are they making? Maybe "I am a mild mannered accountant trying HARD to look tough"

I rode a motorcycle for 40 years without EVER being pulled over by a cop.
Regards Philip A


I think it was a set up, on the bike riders part. How many do you see with a camera on the helmet? I have heard thru the grapevine [ but can not substantiate it] that that particular social bike club were sick of being pulled over, and decided to make a social media complaint. That is why he was dressed as he was. He seemed to be well briefed on what to say. If it has taken the heat off that social club, well done. There used to be a time here you could nod g'day at a local police car, and get a nod back. Not now. Bob

[d2dave]

to say. There used to be a time here you could nod g'day at a local police car, and get a nod back. Not now. Bob

Still can in my town and a town nearby south of me. I always give the boys in blue a "landy wave" and 80% of the time I get a response.

[Basil135]

While some people seem to think coppers are fair game, and the "response" to the rider was over the top, what we don't see, are the events before the video starts.

That aside, have a look at this post from Digger. Just a normal day for our boys & girls that walk the thin blue line.

So, when that mongrel copper pulls you over, and gives you a hard time for wearing your "SMC" patches, just remember, they may have just finished up a job like this.

That aside, yes, there are good & bad coppers in every police service around the world. Yes, some are on a power trip. Yes, they have to act professionally at all times. Yes, they have sworn to uphold the law. No, they do not make the law. Yes, they can show some discresion in the way they apply those laws. BUT, they also act under orders from their superiors.

And yes, I have been, what I would call unfairly, pulled over by the police for being on my mobile phone. (I wasn't) But, because he couldn't do me for that, he defected the Disco for too dark tint. For the record, it failed by around 10%...



:eek:15/1 05:00pm 44.3 at Renmark Airport..

it did feel warm... especially after spending the morning at a suicide in a shed near our area doing the investigation, sorting the body and then cleaning up so rels didnt have to etc etc...

the old "vacola" thermometer on a wooden post in centre of shed read 62 degs! :eek::eek:

and it felt like it!! :o

and then I took a hose inside to wash the floor out and the humidity there moved the feeling up to "steam swimming pool"!!


But, at 3pm I was driving back into my village and the new you beaut clock gave a reading of 47degrees!! , I though "bollocks" so hit the external temp button on the work car which flashed 48 and settled back at 47...:cool:

then off to a fire to chase the CFS at maggea!! (lots of callouts yesterday and last night re lightening hits starting fires in our area... I finished work at 5 yesterday, then callout at 5.30 and I jumped off the truck at midnight!)

Luckily this one was a false alarm :) (good to get a break go our way!)

tomorrow will be interesting..






PS Mick could stay with us but Im afraid every time I got ready for work he'd bolt out the door!! :)

[UncleHo]

G'day Bob10 :)

Nah! not Sydney, Brisbane early 68 Woolloongabba Cop shop,and a nice friendly officer by the name of Sparrow,very disappointed that I could prove that I wasn't the person he was after, and on parting quietly said "I will get you yet" he had locked up several of my old school friends for various things,the constable that took me back home suggested I return to NSW for my "health" which I did,sold my distinctive vehicle to a friend for $1, and he his for the same $1 :D so I drove his Holden south and he had my Customline ex-Ambo :p said officer chucked a wobbly when he found out. my girlfriend followed about 2 months later, but her mother wasn't happy :mad: we eventualy split and she married one of my motorcycle mates in 71 they are still together, on the job front I requested a transfer back to BMC/Leyland from Annand & Thompson Pty.Ltd.

cheers

[V8Ian]

Seems you have company Mick, I just got the treatment too. It wasn't all bad, one of the fellows asked me if I was backing the 'Roos again this year :confused::confused: , apparently that's what the NMFC stickers are, on the back of my Ford.

[Mick_Marsh]

Seems you have company Mick, I just got the treatment too. It wasn't all bad, one of the fellows asked me if I was backing the 'Roos again this year :confused::confused: , apparently that's what the NMFC stickers are, on the back of my Ford.
You hoon Ian.
Did they cart you off to the lockup?

[bob10]

G'day Bob10 :)

Nah! not Sydney, Brisbane early 68 Woolloongabba Cop shop,and a nice friendly officer by the name of Sparrow,very disappointed that I could prove that I wasn't the person he was after, and on parting quietly said "I will get you yet" he had locked up several of my old school friends for various things,the constable that took me back home suggested I return to NSW for my "health" which I did,sold my distinctive vehicle to a friend for $1, and he his for the same $1 :D so I drove his Holden south and he had my Customline ex-Ambo :p said officer chucked a wobbly when he found out. my girlfriend followed about 2 months later, but her mother wasn't happy :mad: we eventualy split and she married one of my motorcycle mates in 71 they are still together, on the job front I requested a transfer back to BMC/Leyland from Annand & Thompson Pty.Ltd.

cheers


I think the name" sparrow " or similar is in Condons book. please read the book. Bob

[V8Ian]

You hoon Ian.
Did they cart you off to the lockup?

No mate, is this something I have to strive for to keep up with you? :D

[rovercare]

What a load of ****. I assume that's just typical keyboard bravery? 'cos you couldn't be that dumb in real life? :blink:



EDIT: On second thoughts - let's go back to the good ol' days huh?

Break out the phone books lads

No keyboard bravery here shagger, I'm happy to speak the words I type

I have no objections to "phone book" policing, everyone to there own merit and each situation to it's own, randomly pulling someone up on grounds of the appearance on the other hand...

[V8Ian]

Talking parrot dobs on drunk-driving owner (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/01/16/10/30/parrot-tells-police-owner-is-drunk-in-mexico-city)

[newhue]

The bad guys will be targetted and prosecuted and the innocent have nothing to fear, the man said. Fair enough and the way it should be.
But what seperates the good from the bad at first glance ?
The good guys dont have an identifying halo to seperate them from the scum.
So be good and be on yer way.
But we are becoming a police state in every other way also and I hate that.
Example: dont pay the dog registration fee and you can lose your driving licence or car unregistered.

The rules are changing for the worst daily and if I had me druthers I'd druther be somewhere else but there isn't anywhere else.

Watched the movie, The Irishman, the other night and ordered the dvd yesterday.
By cripes I envy those times and freedom and remember they lived in the modern world of the day.

Sigh.

You know, I'm sure that why our diggers went to war. Freedom, liberty, that kind of stuff. Seems it's becoming all for nothing unfortunately.

[bmw535guy]

Where we go wrong in Qld is, it should be law to put every vehicle over the pits every 2 years, for a roadworthy check. All defects fixed, or off the road. That might make sure most comply with the traffic laws, & may reduce the road toll. There are a lot of suss vehicles out there, Bob

i agree with you and disagree with you!
I agree, because too many dangerous vehicles on the roads with bad bushes and shonky brakes and bad tyres etc which 100% cause accidents
I disagree because our Road worthy laws are insane at best i.e. slight weeping from engine = unroadworthy, slight chip in windscreen = unroadworthy etc etc

[Homestar]

i agree with you and disagree with you!
I agree, because too many dangerous vehicles on the roads with bad bushes and shonky brakes and bad tyres etc which 100% cause accidents
I disagree because our Road worthy laws are insane at best i.e. slight weeping from engine = unroadworthy, slight chip in windscreen = unroadworthy etc etc

Not so - you can have a cracked windscreen and chips up to 16mm as long as they are not in the area cleared by the wipers. Oil leaks are acceptable as long as nothing is dripping onto the road - the underside of the car can be covered in crud from an oil weep and still be roadworthy.

If you ever get one done, take a copy of the guidelines in with you - Vicroads - Roadworthy Requirements (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/1EDB44D4-0729-457B-BC74-4AAD84A6F8EC/0/VSI26_1212_WEB.pdf) and ask the tester to point out exactly where an item fails. You would be surprised at how often they can't and they will remove it from the list. If they argue the point, tell the, you will seek a resolution through Vicroads - most of them will cave in when told this.

Too many people just take the testers word for gospel, even though it may not be a legitimate item they are failing. If it isn't on that list I've attached a link to, then they can't pick on it.:)

[bmw535guy]

Not so - you can have a cracked windscreen and chips up to 16mm as long as they are not in the area cleared by the wipers. Oil leaks are acceptable as long as nothing is dripping onto the road - the underside of the car can be covered in crud from an oil weep and still be roadworthy.

If you ever get one done, take a copy of the guidelines in with you - Vicroads - Roadworthy Requirements (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/1EDB44D4-0729-457B-BC74-4AAD84A6F8EC/0/VSI26_1212_WEB.pdf) and ask the tester to point out exactly where an item fails. You would be surprised at how often they can't and they will remove it from the list. If they argue the point, tell the, you will seek a resolution through Vicroads - most of them will cave in when told this.

Too many people just take the testers word for gospel, even though it may not be a legitimate item they are failing. If it isn't on that list I've attached a link to, then they can't pick on it.:)
Yes i 100% agree with you but due to the extensive regulation of RWC its hard for RW testers to be on the ball.............ive read most of the regulations and some are very very confusing. Also the oil thing is kinda up in the air due to the fact that RW testers get massive fines for letting things pass so they err on the side of caution...... and even if its not dripping (which my car isnt), i have a weap in the power steering box and effectively would fail!!! also your wrong regarding scratches chips on windscreens!!!........ effectively it cant be in the direct line of sight of the driver regardless of wipers.......but then again this is kinda up in the air due to height of a person etc.....stupid law

[Homestar]

Yeah, fair points, but it comes down to how much of a battle you want to have with your tester. Mine shudders when I walk through the door, but he is reasonable now after many animated discussions over many vehicles. He knows I'll ask him to prove every fail down to the letter - it's surprising what you can get away with if you do this.

[VladTepes]

I got a speeding camera fine last year, and I knew it wasn't me - so I rang them.

That's not me I don't have an ornage jacket !
- We don't know that sir, that's not a basis to withdraw an infringement notice.

That's not me I wasn't anywhere near the Logan motorway that day.
- Can you prove that?
Can I prove I wasn't somewhere? Umm, no.
- Well we can't withdraw it on that basis.

The number plate is obscured - its impossible to read the last digit so it could be any number of plates not just mine.
- Our investigations indicate that it matches your bike.

Ah well, you see, the bike in the photo isn't mine.
- What?
Yep, it's someone else's bike. Definitely not mine.
- How can you tell?
(What the? ) Well I have a single exhaust that bike has twin exhausts, (and a few other points)
- We'll need you to send us evidence of that...

So then I had to waste my time scanning the infringemetn notice, taking photos of my bike and pointing to the diffferences between the two and email them.

Took 3 more weeks and the notice was withdrawn. Guilty until proven innocent.

[101RRS]

Took 3 more weeks and the notice was withdrawn. Guilty until proven innocent.

Well no - you could have taken it to court and then it is up to them to prove you guilty. I would have been tempted to take that to court and advise that you would also be seeking costs and compensation for your time.

[VladTepes]

Yes but there is no chance you'd actually get costs and absolutely no chance (not provided for in law) to get "paid" for your own time.

Who can afford the time off work to contest a traffic fine? That's what they rely on.

I presume they sent a notice to everyone with a variation of that number plate - a few probably paid so for them it was a WIN !

[V8Ian]

A list of trouble makers needs to be compiled. I'll start, in descending order.

Mick Marsh
Vled Tepes


:p:p:p:p:p:p

[BigJon]

Who can afford the time off work to contest a traffic fine? That's what they rely on.



I am in the process of doing exactly that at the moment.

I was wrongly issued with a fine for failing to stop at a stop sign. Less than $500 for the fine. I estimate that I am now up to about $2000 in expenses (no lawyers involved) and I still have to attend a pre trial conference and possibly a trial as well.

I refuse to cave on the issue as I am 100% right.

[VladTepes]

which is lucky for you that you can afford to do it - many people can't.

[BigJon]

which is lucky for you that you can afford to do it - many people can't.

I don't feel lucky.
I feel royally ****ed off that I have had to spend so much time, effort and money to take it this far and at the moment there isn't an end in sight.
Thus far I have dealt with moron Police, moron expiation department officials, moron prosecution department officials and an uninterested magistrate.
I still have prosecution and Police to deal with, then possibly Police, prosecution and magistrate.
It is a bloody disgrace that a 100% innocent person should have to jump through hoop after hoop with no hope of compensation all because the original Copper was too lazy to do his job correctly, then too bloody minded to admit his mistake.

[Bigbjorn]

Not so - you can have a cracked windscreen and chips up to 16mm as long as they are not in the area cleared by the wipers. Oil leaks are acceptable as long as nothing is dripping onto the road - the underside of the car can be covered in crud from an oil weep and still be roadworthy.

If you ever get one done, take a copy of the guidelines in with you - Vicroads - Roadworthy Requirements (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/1EDB44D4-0729-457B-BC74-4AAD84A6F8EC/0/VSI26_1212_WEB.pdf) and ask the tester to point out exactly where an item fails. You would be surprised at how often they can't and they will remove it from the list. If they argue the point, tell the, you will seek a resolution through Vicroads - most of them will cave in when told this.

Too many people just take the testers word for gospel, even though it may not be a legitimate item they are failing. If it isn't on that list I've attached a link to, then they can't pick on it.:)

Qld. Transport laid down the law on oil leaks a few years ago. An oil leak is an oil leak and the vehicle with one is not roadworthy. This came about as a result of representations from motor cycle groups. They were getting a bit fed up with being picked on and said to the authorities to have a good look at problems caused for motor cyclists by other road users.

[BigJon]

I don't feel lucky.
I feel royally ****ed off that I have had to spend so much time, effort and money to take it this far and at the moment there isn't an end in sight.
Thus far I have dealt with moron Police, moron expiation department officials, moron prosecution department officials and an uninterested magistrate.
I still have prosecution and Police to deal with, then possibly Police, prosecution and magistrate.
It is a bloody disgrace that a 100% innocent person should have to jump through hoop after hoop with no hope of compensation all because the original Copper was too lazy to do his job correctly, then too bloody minded to admit his mistake.

Today I have rung the department of prosecutions at least 6 times to try to talk to somebody about my case. Last year I was told I would receive the "evidence" that the police have against me prior to my "pre trial conference" which is scheduled for next week.

I left messages for a return phone call and was told to ring back in 15 minutes, etc every time. I just got off the phone from my last attempt and the person with my file has gone home.

I am definitely in the wrong industry. I need a cushy government job where I can work in A/C comfort, knock off early and not even make a pretense of doing my job.

[VladTepes]

I need a cushy government job where I can work in A/C comfort, knock off early and not even make a pretense of doing my job.

You can have mine !

A/C yep.
Knock off early? Hmm not today, or yesteray or day before, or....
Oh and I have to make a pretense... :lol:
:p

[jimr1]

Yes but there is no chance you'd actually get costs and absolutely no chance (not provided for in law) to get "paid" for your own time.

Who can afford the time off work to contest a traffic fine? That's what they rely on.

I presume they sent a notice to everyone with a variation of that number plate - a few probably paid so for them it was a WIN !
I just read in our local paper Jan 14 2014 and I QUOTE ..Knox council racked up thousands of dollars in city lawyer's fees to prosecute a father of two over a $141 parking fine -and lost . A magistrate dismissed the case and awarded costs to the dad , who conducted his own defense against the high -powered legal eagles

[Mick_Marsh]

I got a speeding camera fine last year, and I knew it wasn't me - so I rang them.

That's not me I don't have an ornage jacket !
- We don't know that sir, that's not a basis to withdraw an infringement notice.

That's not me I wasn't anywhere near the Logan motorway that day.
- Can you prove that?
Can I prove I wasn't somewhere? Umm, no.
- Well we can't withdraw it on that basis.

The number plate is obscured - its impossible to read the last digit so it could be any number of plates not just mine.
- Our investigations indicate that it matches your bike.

Ah well, you see, the bike in the photo isn't mine.
- What?
Yep, it's someone else's bike. Definitely not mine.
- How can you tell?
(What the? ) Well I have a single exhaust that bike has twin exhausts, (and a few other points)
- We'll need you to send us evidence of that...

So then I had to waste my time scanning the infringemetn notice, taking photos of my bike and pointing to the diffferences between the two and email them.

Took 3 more weeks and the notice was withdrawn. Guilty until proven innocent.
I had a similar experience.
Whilst at a RBT stop, I was taken aside.
"Do you have a reason for diving an unregistered vehicle?"
"It is registered."
"No it isn't"
"It has a current label on the windscreen."
"My computer says it is unregistered."
"Ever thought your computer might not be up to date?"
"Computers don't get it wrong."
At this point in time I knew I was dealing with a fool. I work with computers and know just how wrong they can get it. "Just give me the fine. I'll see you in court."
After the coppers had left, I drove the car home. I ended up sending a copy of the receipt and infringement notice to Snr Sgt Richie at the traffic infringements office with a note "I'll see you in court." I got a letter back "We will not be pursuing this matter any further." No apology. I'm still as guilty as sin and will not get my day in court.

[Mick_Marsh]

A list of trouble makers needs to be compiled. I'll start, in descending order.

Mick Marsh
Vled Tepes


:p:p:p:p:p:p
I am proud to be on that list.

[101RRS]

A friend had a Audi Quattro - one of those lame ones with the little normally aspirated 2.4 V6. He received a letter in the mail saying that his vehicle had been spotted doing burnouts by a member of the public and as a result a formal warning had been placed on his driving record and would be taken into account in any future traffic infringements.

Now this guy drives like a pensioner, the car being awd and with its low power cannot even do burnouts and it was in an area of town he does not frequent.

The description was "was a white car with rego number zyz 123. The guy formally responded that it was not his car and the complainant must have written down the rego number incorrectly. No luck the warning would remain.

The guy then requested that the matter be heard by a court where he could make his case. Response - as no formal charges had been laid going to court was not available to him but the warning would remain on his record and be taken into account in any future actions. His only recourse to have the warning removed from his record was to initiate civil action against the police - of course he then decided it just was not worth the effort.

Garry

[joel0407]

I am in the process of doing exactly that at the moment.

I was wrongly issued with a fine for failing to stop at a stop sign. Less than $500 for the fine. I estimate that I am now up to about $2000 in expenses (no lawyers involved) and I still have to attend a pre trial conference and possibly a trial as well.

I refuse to cave on the issue as I am 100% right.


I'm interested to hear more mate. I wouldn't do too much. Certainly not $2000 worth. Just sit back, relax, rock up to court for the mention and see what they have. Plead not guilty and if it's not you then it will be thin enough the prosecutor will pull it and not proceed.

Someone else posted they had an infringement and the bike in the photo not only had the number plate partially covered, the bike had different exhausts.

I cant say I blame you guys as there was a time I'd have been just as concerned. These days I say bring it on.

Happy Days.

[BigJon]

I'm interested to hear more mate. I wouldn't do too much. Certainly not $2000 worth. Just sit back, relax, rock up to court for the mention and see what they have. Plead not guilty and if it's not you then it will be thin enough the prosecutor will pull it and not proceed.



Initially I wrote a letter stating the facts, which was discounted by the expiations branch.

I then had to appear in court. In preparation for that I expended quite a considerable amount of time taking and printing photos to prove my case, searching, downloading and printing supporting evidence, etc. When I went to court and said I was not guilty the magistrate then gave me a date for a pre trial conference. I wasn't even given the opportunity to state my case, he wasn't interested.

To get to court the first time I had to employ someone to be in my workshop (I am a self employed mechanic) otherwise the doors would have been shut. My time plus my expenses employing someone else would be getting up towards the $2000 mark.

I will have to do the same next week for the pre trial conference (or shut the doors) and possibly again for a trial.

It is beyond my comprehension that the system is such that I have to do all of this at my expense when I didn't commit an offence. Not being able to contact the relevant police prosecutor today is just a bit of icing on the cake.

I have no intention of playing nicely at the pre trial conference or in court if it comes to that. I will also appeal any decision that may go against me if needs be.

I am absolutely appalled that the legal system can be tied up for such a frivolous matter. The ticket should never have been issued. The expiations branch should have quashed it on the basis of my explanatory letter and when it was forwarded to the prosecutions branch it should have been binned.

[Treads]

I got a letter back "We will not be pursuing this matter any further." No apology. I'm still as guilty as sin and will not get my day in court.

How are you guilty if they didn't pursue the matter???? :eek:

[Treads]

When I went to court and said I was not guilty the magistrate then gave me a date for a pre trial conference. I wasn't even given the opportunity to state my case, he wasn't interested.


You obviously have no idea how the court system works then.....

:angel:

[joel0407]

You obviously have no idea how the court system works then.....

:angel:

It sounds like that but what average Joe would?

Happy Days.

[rovercare]

The barrister I hired recently to keep my backside out of prison, told me he wins cases by the inability of vicpol to correctly do their job, not for any other reason.

When you spend time in court, you'll see the ones with no teeth, domestic violence, drugs etc, it's well worth sitting in on a few:D

[frantic]

Bob , I wouldn't say the cop harassment video was a set up , more like he knew what would happen. If you where pulled over continuously and asked repetitive questions for 20-45 min each time, how many times would it take before you film it? 10, 15 in this blokes case he claims 20, the vid being number 21. For me it would be in the single digits:D.
Here's a question, at what point does those sort of actions become an issue for compensation if you where a business? E.g Harley ride local area tours, owner going from one customer to next loses 10- 20 hrs worth of work or an owner/ trader/consultant going from one job or customer site to the other being pulled over losing 1 hr pay or a customer each time!

[BigJon]

You obviously have no idea how the court system works then.....

:angel:


Correct. At nearly 40 years old this is my first foray into the seedy world of overpaid public servants filling in their day with trifling bull**** and self importance.

By any sane and reasonable measure, when I got a letter requiring court attendance regarding the allegation of a minor traffic offence there is no reason it couldn't have been dealt with on the spot. Having to attend just to plead not guilty is time wasting of the highest order. I had already effectively plead not guilty by refusing to pay and electing to take it to court. I shouldn't have to make umpteen unreturned phonecalls and attend court two or three times.

[scarry]

SWMBO got a ticket for picking someone up in a clearway in the D2.They got her on a camera.

I say just pay it and be done with it.

No she says i will fight it,it says range rover on it.

So she sends a letter in to the council and they write back saying they are withdrawing the ticket as it says Range Rover on it...

So i suppose why not complain as you actually have nothing to lose.

[jsp]

Thank you all for your concern.
Went down to the local cop shop. A lovely, smiling, polite police woman dealt with my inquiry. The policeman investigating the matter is on leave. She was unable to help me any further. So, I must wait.


Is all ok? I find it quite amazing, I am one of those air conditioned public servants that never goes home early and always is running around for the overpaid ones, and I work in a department where I come across public infringements described in this thread on a regular basis and I am amazed you have to wait for someone on leave, it couldn't be too important, everything is usually in some system logged as a job that can be searched via name/number/rego etc...I would be questioning that and asking what's going on.......

[101RRS]

No she says i will fight it,it says range rover on it.

So she sends a letter in to the council and they write back saying they are withdrawing the ticket as it says Range Rover on it...



That is because every little detail on the ticket has to be correct. It always pays to check them - sometimes the street can be wrong and even the offence itself.

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

Is all ok? I find it quite amazing, I am one of those air conditioned public servants that never goes home early and always is running around for the overpaid ones, and I work in a department where I come across public infringements described in this thread on a regular basis and I am amazed you have to wait for someone on leave, it couldn't be too important, everything is usually in some system logged as a job that can be searched via name/number/rego etc...I would be questioning that and asking what's going on.......
Nup. Nothing yet. Still waiting.

[Mr Rover]

So she sends a letter in to the council and they write back saying they are withdrawing the ticket as it says Range Rover on it...


:D That is awesome! After all these stories on this thread about AULROians getting screwed by Govt incompetence, it is good to hear at least one person here has got one up on them for a change...

[Treads]

Having to attend just to plead not guilty is time wasting of the highest order. I had already effectively plead not guilty by refusing to pay and electing to take it to court. I shouldn't have to make umpteen unreturned phonecalls and attend court two or three times.
Unfortunately mate, that is how Australia's court system works.

That is why your attendance on that day was called a 'Mention'. Next will be a 'case conference' and if it proceeds from there will be a 'contest mention' followed by a full 'contest'. The idea being that witnesses and certain types of evidence need not be brought to court unless necessary.

[Treads]

That is because every little detail on the ticket has to be correct. It always pays to check them - sometimes the street can be wrong and even the offence itself.

Garry

Yep, absolutely. Not hard to make a small mistake on a ticket and have to re-issue :angel:

[101RRS]

Yep, absolutely. Not hard to make a small mistake on a ticket and have to re-issue :angel:

Once it is issued it cannot be re-issued with correct information.

[V8Ian]

Once it is issued it cannot be re-issued with correct information.
Can in Queensland.

[101RRS]

Can in Queensland.

Now why doesn't that surprise me - civil liberties have always been at risk up there.:)

[goingbush]

I was driving the Telstra vehicle one evening in Morrabbin about 20 years ago, got pulled up in combined Vicroads / Police / Sherrifs Office road block, got the obligatory breath test then licence check , got told to wait , then some Asshole Sherrifs Officer issued me a warrant for about $1500 worth of unpaid parking and speeding fines on a car registered LR-090 that I had sold about 5 years prior. (the one in my avatar)

Apparantly that car was still in my name but the guy that bought it simply changed the 'garaged address' so that he could keep paying rego, but not any fines - as they were in my name !!

Well It pays to have family in the Justice Dept, first up I got a stat dec and vehicle transferred fully at Vic Roads, The warrants withdrawn then re issued in the new Owners name, he was then obliged to provide RWC within 28 days. He would not pay fines Then the vehicle was Seized and bought to the Sherrifs Auction compound.

I thought what a stroke of luck & Karma, I could buy my old V8 twin Maxi Drive Hybrid Ninety back, I realised this ***** never transfered the car because no-one would RWC or engineer it , I hoped to get it back at auction at bargain basement price

but alas the morning of the auction he paid the fines & costs, and I was ****ed about that for years.


So if you ever sell a car it really does pay to check with VicRoads that it is in the new owners name. Same thing happened a few years ago with a BJ40 I sold, not the fines, but I checked with vicroads a few weeks later and it was still in my name. Moral is , eventho its the purchasers responsibility take a duplicate of notice of disposal and send it to vicroads yourself.

[V8Ian]

A list of trouble makers needs to be compiled. I'll start, in descending order.

Mick Marsh
Vled Tepes


:p:p:p:p:p:p


Now why doesn't that surprise me - civil liberties have always been at risk up there.:)

Keep it up Garry, you'll be next on the list. :p

[101RRS]

Keep it up Garry, you'll be next on the list. :p

Yep I had heard that Queenslanders keep such lists. :)

[UncleHo]

Oh! Yes.

[Mick_Marsh]

We got a list like that down here.
We've got 152 names in alphabetical order. It starts and finishes like this:

V8Ian
V8Ian
V8Ian........

......V8Ian
V8Ian
V8Ian
V8Ian
V8Ian

[V8Ian]

We got a list like that down here.
We've got 152 names in Alphabetical order. It starts and finishes like this:

V8Ian
V8Ian
V8Ian........

......V8Ian
V8Ian
V8Ian
V8Ian
V8IanOnly 152, there must be a statute of limitation there.

[joel0407]

Once it is issued it cannot be re-issued with correct information.

Can in ACT. Can in NT.

Once the first ticket is cancelled, it effectively doesn't exist so no problem in issuing a ticket with the correct details.



Happy Days.

[bob10]

Now why doesn't that surprise me - civil liberties have always been at risk up there.:)


And that is why Queenslanders have a good record of fighting for them. ;) Bob

[rb30gtr]

FYI, they monitor this website.

I posted about a crash I saw (here was the only place I wrote about it as I was really shaken up), few days later police on my door step asking for a report on what I saw. No big deal, just letting you know.

[Treads]

Once it is issued it cannot be re-issued with correct information.

Ahh, yes it can. The original PIN is withdrawn, then an explanation letter and a new correct ticket is sent out in the mail.

[THE BOOGER]

FYI, they monitor this website.

I posted about a crash I saw (here was the only place I wrote about it as I was really shaken up), few days later police on my door step asking for a report on what I saw. No big deal, just letting you know.

If that was the one at the meccano set then they also have you on camera they monitor all directions there and would have looked at the video of the accident:)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I was driving the Telstra vehicle one evening in Morrabbin about 20 years ago, got pulled up in combined Vicroads / Police / Sherrifs Office road block, got the obligatory breath test then licence check , got told to wait , then some Asshole Sherrifs Officer issued me a warrant for about $1500 worth of unpaid parking and speeding fines on a car registered LR-090 that I had sold about 5 years prior. (the one in my avatar)

<snip>

So if you ever sell a car it really does pay to check with VicRoads that it is in the new owners name. Same thing happened a few years ago with a BJ40 I sold, not the fines, but I checked with vicroads a few weeks later and it was still in my name. Moral is , eventho its the purchasers responsibility take a duplicate of notice of disposal and send it to vicroads yourself.In NSW you can notify the disposal/transfer of a vehicle online from the RMS website.

It pays you to do it just for this reason. I used to know a bouncer in a Kings Cross nightclub, he would regularly go out and buy a really cheap car with a couple of months rego but never transferred the rego to his name.

Each night he went to work he would park it anywhere and not be bothered about the fines. He would drive the car until it ran out of rego or until it broke down. When either of those things happened he would just leave the car where it was. The previous owner would be responsible for everything.

[rb30gtr]

If that was the one at the meccano set then they also have you on camera they monitor all directions there and would have looked at the video of the accident:)

That would also make sense, however there was no mention of footage, and it was close to 1 km from the Meccano set. I was messaged via inbox from here to call. But didn't see the message in time and they appeared at my door step.

[Mick_Marsh]

That would also make sense, however there was no mention of footage, and it was close to 1 km from the Meccano set. I was messaged via inbox from here to call. But didn't see the message in time and they appeared at my door step.
Maybe the policeman investigating the incident was a member on this forum.
We have people from all walks of life on here.

[THE BOOGER]

That would also make sense, however there was no mention of footage, and it was close to 1 km from the Meccano set. I was messaged via inbox from here to call. But didn't see the message in time and they appeared at my door step.

Did the message in the in box have a name or forum name attached don't put that up in public but may give you an idea:)

[Treads]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

:twisted:

[Mick_Marsh]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1604930_649817781731834_507736425_n.jpg

:twisted:
Ha! Excellent.
I wonder, would the Qld police pull over a member of the "Blue Knights"?

[Bigbjorn]

In NSW you can notify the disposal/transfer of a vehicle online from the RMS website.

It pays you to do it just for this reason. I used to know a bouncer in a Kings Cross nightclub, he would regularly go out and buy a really cheap car with a couple of months rego but never transferred the rego to his name.

Each night he went to work he would park it anywhere and not be bothered about the fines. He would drive the car until it ran out of rego or until it broke down. When either of those things happened he would just leave the car where it was. The previous owner would be responsible for everything.

When I lived in Sydney long ago, I had a mate who did something similar. He would also buy a cheap car with some rego and fill out the transfer form with a false name and address and post it in to the Transport Department without the required payment, and keep a photocopy of the completed form to show if called upon. "The owner has sent it in, officer, can't understand why the reg. hasn't been transferred." This guy was a kiwi with a good bit of form and liked to fly under the radar.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If that was the one at the meccano set then they also have you on camera they monitor all directions there and would have looked at the video of the accident:)
That would also make sense, however there was no mention of footage, and it was close to 1 km from the Meccano set. I was messaged via inbox from here to call. But didn't see the message in time and they appeared at my door step.Unless its changed recently, while they monitor the Sydney roads system so they can adjust traffic light timing and identify problems, they don't record the vision.

There have been a number of incidents where cameras were present but no recording. One was when rubble fell off a dump truck hitting a pedestrian in Darlinghurst and the other my house mate's cousin driving of my my uncle's semis. A driver apparently had a stroke at the wheel while crossing the Taren Point Bridge, hit the side of the truck, then two other cars and was dead when the car stopped. They tried to pin it on the semi driver.

[THE BOOGER]

Traffic cameras may not record but safety (red light and speed) both record to a hard drive which is swapped out each week by contractors :)

[BigJon]

My case went to the Pre Trial Conference today. The charge was withdrawn in the face of my mountain of evidence and nothing forthcoming from the officer who wrote the original ticket. I am calling that a win.

[joel0407]

My case went to the Pre Trial Conference today. The charge was withdrawn in the face of my mountain of evidence and nothing forthcoming from the officer who wrote the original ticket. I am calling that a win.

I wouldn't.

It's cost you money and he/she has whimpered out without a fight. They have accused you of something, picked a fight legally, you have spent time and money preparing for this legal fight and then they have gone limp.

I'd be making a proper complaint about that person who initially issued the ticket. In the ACT you could mount a civil case against the police. Make sure that person knows what it's cost you, make sure he isn't laughing about it and make sure he doesn't just hand out the next ticket willy nilly and he puts some thought into the consequences.

Happy Days is my usual sign off but I'm not happy.

[Homestar]

My case went to the Pre Trial Conference today. The charge was withdrawn in the face of my mountain of evidence and nothing forthcoming from the officer who wrote the original ticket. I am calling that a win.

So, is there any way of claiming any costs back due to them wimping out?

[BigJon]

I very much doubt it.

Maybe I will take the time to write a formal letter of complaint.

[joel0407]

I very much doubt it.

Maybe I will take the time to write a formal letter of complaint.



I think you're right there mate. To claim cost you'd have to be heard and then found not guilty. As it stands charges have been dropped so you haven't actually been charged.


Civil case against the police is a different matter. Maybe if the officer had acted on a whim with little evidence and it's cost you, then you have a case. But it could cost you with the chance you won't win.

[joel0407]

A mate who is a barrister is coming over home for dinner tomorrow night. He's always up to talk shop so I'll fire the question at him about going police civilly.

[Treads]

nothing forthcoming from the officer who wrote the original ticket.

Can you just clarify? No further evidence from the police, or they didn't show up?

[BigJon]

Can you just clarify? No further evidence from the police, or they didn't show up?

Both. The prosecutor was pretty peeved with the issuing officer, I suspect that there will be a reaming handed down when he catches up. But he was also impressed with my evidence that supported the truth.

[Davo]

Definitely make a formal complaint, and definitely follow it up, no matter how many letters you have to write or how long it takes. These kinds of people depend on you getting tired and giving up.

[Bigbjorn]

Ombudsman?

[bob10]

I hope this helps, Bob


To lodge or not to lodge? (http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/handbook/ch21s07s06.php)

[PTC]

October last year i received my first ever speeding fine and then half an hour later i locked up the car on the wet road and had my first ever accident. It all has to come at once doesn't it. Oh to make it 3 in a row. One of my scouts was driving past at the time to see the crash.

Well i received 2 fines in the mail. The first i was able to pay online and did as soon as it arrived. The second i had to go into the city and i paid it in person. Then the next day i headed away with work and i have only just gotten home again.

Sitting at home is 2 letter. One is the Penalty reminder notice to say the fine is overdue and the second is the Enforcement order. Argh, not a nice thing to find when i get back.

So i've called Cival Compliance and they informed me that the first fine has been paid off and is all good. The one i did online. The second find which i have the Enforcement order for is still unpaid. Though checking my receipt and bank account i have it listed as being paid in person and on time.

The guy on the phone said i need to print out all these forms and send it in with my details to prove it has already been paid. Though that might take a few months. In which time the fine still needs to be paid by the due date. Which is a month away. And even though it is marked on my file that i have contacted them i still need to call every month and beg for an extension on the due dates.

Argh he even said to me that the system is messed up. This sucks

[cewilson]

Argh he even said to me that the system is messed up. This sucks



That's the part I get upset about with government agencies. One of the biggest reasons I walked away from Defence not long ago. And I loved my job :(

[d2dave]

Sitting at home is 2 letter. One is the Penalty reminder notice to say the fine is overdue and the second is the Enforcement order. Argh, not a nice thing to find when i get back.

So i've called Cival Compliance and they informed me that the first fine has been paid off and is all good. The one i did online. The second find which i have the Enforcement order for is still unpaid. Though checking my receipt and bank account i have it listed as being paid in person and on time.

The guy on the phone said i need to print out all these forms and send it in with my details to prove it has already been paid. Though that might take a few months. In which time the fine still needs to be paid by the due date. Which is a month away. And even though it is marked on my file that i have contacted them i still need to call every month and beg for an extension on the due dates.

Argh he even said to me that the system is messed up. This sucks

If it was me and as you say it has been paid and you have all the paper work to prove it, I would make one phone call, document the call and then that would be it.

I would then ignore any further demands and let it go to court. The magistrate would instantly have to throw it out.

[joel0407]

If it was me and as you say it has been paid and you have all the paper work to prove it, I would make one phone call, document the call and then that would be it.

I would then ignore any further demands and let it go to court. The magistrate would instantly have to throw it out.

That's exactly what I would do too. As long as you have the time to duck into court a couple of times. It's fun to watch Magistrates get dirty with prosecutors.

You'll probably have to plead guilty at mention and then show that you have paid the fine at Case Management Hearing (CMH). They call CMH different things in different states.

Good luck. Rip it to'em I say.

Happy Days.

[THE BOOGER]

If you plead guilty at first hearing the beak will impose penalty straight away nothing for him to decide you plead not guilty then present your evidence at the second hearing, it all just drags out unfortunately:(

[BigJon]

If you plead guilty at first hearing the beak will impose penalty straight away nothing for him to decide you plead not guilty then present your evidence at the second hearing, it all just drags out unfortunately:(


I agree with this.

If you are not guilty, then NEVER plead guilty.

[joel0407]

It's a bit hard becasue you would actually be guilty but you cant be charged for the same offence twice.

Happy Days.