I dont know that I like my boat anymore!!!!

[LandyAndy]

Hi Guys
What should have been a great spell away in Albany wasnt to be:(:(:(:(:(
Got down here last saturday and wasnt able to put the boat in the water until tuesday.We caught no fish and had to battle a heavy chop to get back to the ramp.
Next day was perfect boating weather.Graz and I were at the ramp by 6am,a very quick blast across King George sound and we were at our first drop,out past Bald head(past Whale World etc).After half an hour of drifting only a few small flathead plus a dirty big Nor West Blowie.
Decided to head across to Breaksea Island,spent an hour there,only raising rubbish fish and undersize reef fish.Then over the Michealmus Island,then Michealmus Reef for the same result.
It was a good time had,the wind was rising so time to head for home before the chop gets up too high.Happly heading in at WOT and the dreaded starving for fuel raised its head once again.The boat has done this almost every time Ive used it,normally its a matter of priming the bulb and away you go.This time it didnt go far and it stopped again,and again and again.We suspected the new prime bulb was faulty at first,so I re-fitted the old one.Got another 4 mins at WOT and it stopped again.The buld was sucked in which indicates the lift pump on the motor was OK.Graz had to keep helping keep the fuel up to the motor by pumping the primer bulb,anything over 2000rpm and he couldnt keep up.
We ruled out blocked breathers by opening the fuel filler several times.Eventually we got back to the ramp.
Last easter this issue didnt rear its ugly head,I had fitted new fuel lines,breather lines,fuel filter with water seperator,new primer bulb.I thought I had finally fixed the problem.Before coming down here I had a full service done,including getting kits put thru the lift pump and carbys.The mechanic said there were traces of water in the carbys so I drained the tank.
Once I get home the plan is to remove the fuel guge sender and see whats in there,then drain it again and remove it to clean it if need be.

The new Lowrance gear has a glitch,it freezes up showing no depth,then only 0.8m deep,despite being in 50m of water.It was showing on both the Sonar and side scan transducers so I suspect its in the head unit.After several re-starts it did work.

Any thoughts on the fuel issue that I may have overlooked,please yell out.Just missed out on a couple of days of perfect fishing conditions because I was over the boat:(:(:(:(:(:(
Andrew

[beefy]

andy

I am happy to fix your problem by taking the boat away and stopping you having to fix it.

kb

[LandyAndy]

Was ready to give the thing away the other day Keith :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Hey,there is a Beefy down here.White toyota carolla or similar with Beefy 1 on the plates;);););););)
Andrew

[Tombie]

Andy, what size filter are you running? You may be drawing more fuel than the filter can flow...

[Mick_Marsh]

Hey Andy, I'll swap you the boat for the Commodore.

[LandyAndy]

Andy, what size filter are you running? You may be drawing more fuel than the filter can flow...

Its only a 75hp motor,the filter is about 3" deep and dia with the water catcher underneath.I will double check part numbers to make sure its OK.
Andrew

[Tombie]

Just working on your observations that fuel primer is sucking in...

Would suggest lack of fuel:
So these are where I would be looking.

Fuel line from filter to bulb too small
Fuel filter too small or too low a flow rating.
Fuel line from tank too small or delaminating / collapsing
Fuel tap (if there is one fitted) is not opening fully
Fuel pick up in tank may have a filter (gauze) on it in the tank and may be blocked or restricted.
Fuel pick up has moved and is sucking to bottom of tank.

[Tombie]

Do you run external tanks or in hull?
Can you borrow an external tank for a test? Plug straight to motor and bypass your fuel system to the engine...

[Ean Austral]

Andrew are you able to use all the fuel. ? You said you removed the filler cap and that's why you don't believe it's a breather problem.

The pump on the hose getting sucked in is a fuel issue either not venting or not enough fuel flow.y point is , is the filler in the same part of the tank the fuel draws from? Otherwise try bypassing the fuel filter for a short fang and see if it happens then, you may have the wrong flow filter.

Assuming they test run the engine at service only difference is your fuel system. Take the hose off the filter and stick it in a jerry can, go for a fang and see what happens.

Cheers Ean

[Tombie]

See ^ :) brilliant minds think alike.

[Ean Austral]

Seen 1 of our hire boats suck a 25ltr tank in to nearly half the size when they closed the vent. The motor just wouldn't run in the end, when we got there the primer hose was dead flat.

Cheers Ean

[isuzurover]

I agree with Ean and Tombie. If you are up thos way you are welcome to borrow my emergency tank/jerry and give it a go on that. My F70 runs fine on it.

[roverrescue]

Other thing to look at it is some tanks have a one way valve incorporated into the pickup.
Especially if they have a setup of underfloor tank and top of tank pick up

The one way ball valve can stick close and cause you problems.

If this be the case, remove the one way valve and just install a standard fuel bulb right down at the tank... at least if the one way valve valve fails in them you just pump them till they prime and then they flow well.

S

[Blknight.aus]

if its got a right angle fitting on the tank (Im assuming its a built in tank) check that thats not become restricted.

there should also be a strainer fitted to the end of the pick up, makes sure thats not overly contaminated and (can be for both internal and removable tanks)

make sure some nufty hasnt done a mechanical fuel check (dip the tank with a rod) and crushed the pick up tube

[LandyAndy]

Back home in Williams.
Will look at the bloody thing when I can find some love for it,dont even feel like washing it at the moment:(:(:(:(:(:(
OK,I have had an issue with it stopping since owning it,a simple prime sorted it,as an attempt to sort it out I have done the following.
All fuel hoses new(same size as factory),upgraded spin on fuel filter from non water trap to water trap type(no water in bowl),new breather hoses and vents fitted,new primer bulb,drained tank out before Albany trip to get rid of water found in carbies at last service.Filters replaced before Albany trip by boat mechanic,lift pump and carbies had an overhall(some water stain in 1 of the 3 carbys),new plugs and impeller done,oil change gearbox.They did test run the engine,but only in a tank(not ocean run).
I used 6 litres(according to the fuel flow meter) on the tuesday without issue,Got 12 litres in at the servo trickle filling.I had used 10 litres(fuel flow meter) when the issue reared its head.We did open the filler several times to check for vacuum,was OK.(Have since smelt petrol fumes venting on both sides of hull).
An interesting point,I have never trusted the fuel gauge,sometimes stays 3/4 full and it takes 10lts,have had it 3/4 full and it take 35lts to fill.
When I drained the tank,it stayed between 3/4 and full,now reading 1/2 full(couldnt have used 50lts of fuel).Im thinking there may be something in the tank.I always fill to full after a trip.
Plan is to lift the floor and remove the sender whilst still holding the current fuel(probably only used 15 to 20lts from full) and see whats in there.Next blow back to see if anything comes out of the lines.If the tank is dirty I will remove it to clean if need be.Will check the pickup and ensure its not blocked or damaged.
It has never been "dipped" or syphoned from the filler in my ownership,so I havent damaged the pick up.
Whilst Im about it I will fit a Lowrance sender to use the cockpit feature on the sounder.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

I agree with Ean and Tombie. If you are up thos way you are welcome to borrow my emergency tank/jerry and give it a go on that. My F70 runs fine on it.
I do have one in the shed if it comes to needing one Ben,cheers.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Hey Andy, I'll swap you the boat for the Commodore.

Want a D2 to go with the boat Mick????
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Was unpacking/cleaning the boat today.
Went to rinse the motor,3 squeezes bulb went hard,started first crank.After a few minutes it sounded like it was running out of fuel,squeezed the bulb,empty,pumping it improved the idle to normal.
A google tells me these bulbs dont necesarily stay hard in use.
Now it dosent want to full prime(hard) boat still starts OK,runs to 2000rpm ok.
I have ordered a 12v electric fuel pump,idea being pump fuel from the tank into the engine fuel line to check for leaks/blockages,then to empty tank if need be.
Wont bother opening the floor/tank until this pump arrives.
Andrew

[Blknight.aus]

you can get senders with a pick up included..

it might be easier to fit one of them and blank off the existing fuel line.

no the bulbs dont stay hard sometimes they collapse a little (like a figure 8) but if they collapse completely then there is a restriction between the bulb and the fuel supply.

the bulbs are also known to get blockages on the front valve that causes this.. ok when you prime them but not ok when they are just letting fuel flow through them. this is easy to test, remove the bulb and setup a siphon hose and use the bulb to start it, if it blocks and closes up its the bulb.

if its not use the hose to start a siphon from the normal fuel pick up.. if it wont then the problem is in the line or the tank.

[Ean Austral]

Andrew do a simple test, bypass your fuel filter, join the 2 hoses together that go into the filter housing.
Run the engine and see what happens.

Cheers Ean

[roverrescue]

queezed the bulb,empty,pumping it improved the idle to normal.
A google tells me these bulbs dont necesarily stay hard in use.

Im banking on the one way valve within the draw tube of the tank pick up is sticking partially closed.
I dealt with this just a few months ago.

I fixed it by gutting the draw tube of the one way ball valve and installing a primer bulb right down at the tank.

Steve

[Collins]

I suspect that you may be picking up foreign material in the tank which is sucked up onto the fuel suction pipe causing a flow restriction. I had this problem with an earlier boat and resolved the problem when I fitted a new under floor tank. Internal inspection of the original tank revealed pieces of plastic in the tank.
Prior to the tank replacement I went through the same process as you have described, check vents, new filter, new primer bulb etc.
I hope that you resolve your issues promptly.

[LandyAndy]

I have just been doing some fault finding on the boat,nothing obvious except the sender is cactus.Whataver sits on the bottom of the stem is gone,when I removed the sender the float slid off the stem so the bits are in the tank(float slides up and down,not a lever type).Fuel tank is quite full,perhaps 50mm from top,its a 200mm deep tank.
Tank is clean,small amounts of drill swarth visible,cannot see any water beads,only able to see the centre section due to baffles.
There is no backflow valve at the tank,the pickup straw exits from the top side.Can blow air in with ease,no restriction.I doubt there is a gauze on the pickup as there is no acsess to the straw inside the tank and it cant be seen due to the baffle.
I pressurized the fuel line from the tank to the motor,holds 30psi so no air leaks at all.After removing the pressure at the tank the primer bulb was still holding pressure so its OK.
Blew air from bulb fitting into tank,no obstruction it seems,interestingly it primed very easily after,obstruction now cleared???.
Will be ordering new filters,gauge/sender today.Awaiting arrival of 12V pump to circulate fuel thru the system then empty the tank.
Thoughts are to now empty the tank to retrieve float and the bit missing from the stem and ensure there is nothing else hiding in behind the baffles.If I cant find a sender with fuel pickup is it worth making my own pickup adjacent to the sender???? Clearance between tank and floor is limited.
Any more ideas most welcome.
Cheers
Andrew

[Tombie]

On the right path I think!!!

Interesting today I back blew the lines in my Cat, replaced the Racor elements and then fitted new hoses and primer bulbs and lines...

Motors run much nicer now...

[LandyAndy]

Pumped my tank out with a 12v fuel pump this arvo.Put the pump at the bulb,emptied the tank with no issue.
I need to calibrate the Lowrance fuel flow sensor,100lts in only 80lts out.I tried but must be a nuffie as I couldnt get the calibrate screen up,only the info screen on how to do it:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
My boy didnt complain,got a free full tank of PULP in his XR6:):):):)
Trip to the city tommorow,trying to source a pickup or parts to make one.Want to pull the tank and replace sun/mon
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Went to the city today.
First stop was the boat mechanic that fixes my boat.No help at all,not the first time I have had no confidence in what he says.Told me there is no way of fitting a new pickup without welding it.Didnt have any bits to help me,also told me he thinks its electrical/electronics.Last time I ever visit his empourium!!!!
Boat shop 2.Yes it is possible to fit a pickup,unfortunately non in stock,they get them made up.Told me he could post one down tue/wed.He will get my bussines from now on,most helpfull older chap.Whinged about olde mate down the road,he laughed.Heard it all before he said.
Went to Pirtek,most helpful.Told him what I wanted,no problems he said, made one up for $54.00.I got home and Lindsay machined the centre out of the old fuel sender for me on his lathe.All I need to do is trim the straw length and its ready to fit:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
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Andrew

[Chops]

Good stuff. I guess trying to find a good boat mech is like finding a good LR mech.
Hope this works for you. Is your son able to work the electronics for you. Most of the "young guns" seem to be a wizz with electric gadgetries :eek:

[Pilbara130]

Glad to see it's coming together.

[Tombie]

Great job Andy...
When you trim the pick up cut it at an angle to reduce blockage potential...

You'll be back in action in no time!

[LandyAndy]

I think I have had a win:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool :
Only 2 items in the tank.The float that fell off when I first removed the sender,so not an issue in the problem.However the missing bit of the sender I believe was the issue,it was stuck under the pickup!!!!!
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Now the tank is out and I can see inside a bit better,it turns out the exsisting pickup is routed to the bottom rear of the tank,the lowest point,hence that plastic disc making its way to the pickup what I believe on each occasion the motor has played up.Now,if I fit the new pickup my fuel line is too short and will require a joiner.Im thinking use a T piece and use both pickups.
Thoughts?????
Andrew

[Bearman]

Good to see you have found the problem Andrew, nothing worse than fuel starvation especially when you need a bit of revs to get you over a wave etc. With the pickup I would be trying to get the end of it in the same place as the original one as you need to be sucking from the lowest point. If you can retrieve the original pickup from the tank cut a small V into the end of the line, that will stop anything from being sucked onto the end and causing the starvation issue then join your new pickup to the old old. If you can't do this try to direct the new one to the same position (with a V in the end). I would be wary of having 2 pickups connected together in the same tank unless they both suck from the same spot.

[tailslide]

... Im thinking use a T piece and use both pickups.
Thoughts?????
Andrew

Hi Andrew,

I would do this if you have a means of selecting each pickup individually with an isolating tap. If they are both connected together to the one line as soon as the highest pickup un-ports you will not have any fuel, just air. Effectively increasing the amount of unusable fuel, but it would have got you home if one of the pickups are blocked.:)

Cheers
Ron

[LandyAndy]

Just marked the tank,should be within an inch or 2 of the exsisting.
Cheers
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Hi Andrew,

I would do this if you have a means of selecting each pickup individually with an isolating tap. If they are both connected together to the one line as soon as the highest pickup un-ports you will not have any fuel, just air. Effectively increasing the amount of unusable fuel, but it would have got you home if one of the pickups are blocked.:)

Cheers
Ron

Will be close to the other Ron,IF they get that low to draw air Im in trouble;););););)
Andrew

[Chops]

G'day Andy,
You could attatch a little gause filter to the botton of it if you wanted. This would serve the purpose of both filtering large particles, and /or, unwanted plastic bits and such.
You could even place a long spring on the end, which when it hits the bottom of the tank, would bend/curl over, thus creatinga sort of filter. The spring would just need to be a light long one, like whats in some door handles, or a return spring from a mower. Just something light but fairly long.

[LandyAndy]

Another reason not to like my boat:(:(:(:(:(.At least this time it appears to be my fault.
Re-fitted the tank,wired up the new sender and gauge,fired up the ignition and find the fuel tank is now full:eek::eek::eek::eek:
I know the wiring is correct,a quick check reveals I have a USA spec sender(240-33 ohms) and a Euro spec gauge(0-180 ohms).I do have the correct part numbers written down,when ordering online I have obviously clicked on the wrong sender as it appears Whitworths only stock the Euro gauge and both types of sender.Sent them an email to see if there are any US spec Wema gauges in stock.May have to buy the correct sender :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:.
BUDGET ON ANOTHER THOUSAND!!!!!
Andrew

[Chops]

Bugger.
I know stuff all about electrics, but is there any way of adjusting anything to compensate and give you a more accurate reading?

[LandyAndy]

I dont think so,as even the polarity at the sender doesnt matter on these senders.
Cant exchange the sender as it got a good dose of Stag jointing compound to ensure no leaks,would never get it clean:(:(:(:(:(
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Boat is all back together and ready to fuel up and start:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[Tombie]

Good luck... :)
Mine is sooo close now, but I'm not going to sit in the cabin to finish the wiring on a 42°c day.

[LandyAndy]

Good luck... :)
Mine is sooo close now, but I'm not going to sit in the cabin to finish the wiring on a 42°c day.

TOUGHEN UP PRINCESS,I thought 42 was only a mild day in your parts:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

[Tombie]

Hahahaha... It is... But I'm having a kick back day!!!

[shining]

Just a thought....You could use two pickups. If you had a change over switch/cock. The original at the lowest point and the new one higher up at, say, 80% empty. That way you could run on the new one and switch over to the original as a reserve if the gauge/flow meter are inaccurate/break.

[Chops]

Hope it all works well for you dude,,
Like Tombie, I'm indoors from the hot weather today. Although I hav'nt exactly sat idle in front of the TV :angel:. Went and priced some gear to install a centre console in mine,,, :D

[LandyAndy]

Bloody hot here too.Watched a fishing show.Then been pricing D4s;););););).The new ones dont even have a gear stick:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: rotary selector on console,8 speed box and paddle shifts on the steering wheel:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
Now off to pray to the Lotto Godz:):):):):):)
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Well.
It primed up from empty pretty easily:cool::cool::cool::cool:
It started 2nd or 3rd turn of the key:cool::cool::cool::cool:
It ran without stopping for 10mins:cool::cool::cool::cool:

I may have a problem,its pretty smokey.It has been getting worse when launched for the first time in a trip,smokes until Im almost out of the marina(300m or so) then wont do it for sucssesive launches.
The smoke today could be the same situation,its still smoking excessively(in my books) at idle and fast idle.

Direct oil injection.In the past I suspected the smoke is oil thats leaked into the engine whilst not in use.Any thing I should be looking for????(75hp 3cyl Merc).

Will post a pic shortly.
Andrew

[Chops]

Well, its a good result as far as the fuel pick up goes by the sound of it Andy :D

As for the oil problem, I cant help you there, except to say, as with heads on a car, maybe lifter seals or something (if they are even in a boat motor :confused:, I'm not too sure on the internals of a 2 stroke) could be suspect. So when on idle, or low revs, oils escaping, building up, then being blown out at revs.

[LandyAndy]

Ok just went and run it again for some pics.

Start up.
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Fast idle.
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Idle after about 1 min of fast idle.
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The motor has done this on the last 2 trips away,only does it on the first launch.It was worse when I first started it up this morning.

Off to the tip to see if I can find a deeper drum,still requite the muffs with this one.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Well, its a good result as far as the fuel pick up goes by the sound of it Andy :D

As for the oil problem, I cant help you there, except to say, as with heads on a car, maybe lifter seals or something (if they are even in a boat motor :confused:, I'm not too sure on the internals of a 2 stroke) could be suspect. So when on idle, or low revs, oils escaping, building up, then being blown out at revs.

Seeing it only occurs after a period of non use Im hoping its simply oil from the oil tank somehow leaking into the engine when not running.There is no smoke once its warmed up in the ocean.
Andrew

[Chops]

Idle after about 1 min of fast idle.
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The motor has done this on the last 2 trips away,only does it on the first launch.It was worse when I first started it up this morning.

Off to the tip to see if I can find a deeper drum,still requite the muffs with this one.
Andrew

I like your drum set-up Andy, thats an awesome idea. I never thought about laying it down on its side. Makes the length good, and then of course, emptying it out would be easy,,, just roll it over ;)

Mines doing a similar thing to yours, as in smoking, but for me with mine,, I'm thinking its just a low idle thing. I've possibly had extra oil in the tank after I roughly cleaned it out. So maybe as I fill it up a couple of times, it might get better.

[LandyAndy]

Shame you arent close by,you could have this tub,its not deep enough for mine.I need something 700mm deep.Hoping to find a 200lt plastic drum,none there today.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Just removed/cleaned the 2psi oil feed check valve,its ok.Started it up,plenty of smoke again.
2 stroke oil coming out of exhaust opening behind annodes.Noticed oil there earlier in the week,put it down to giving the powerhead a good dose of Inox.Fresh oil there since running it.
There are many reports of oil spilling from the oil reservior when full,mine is full,I dont understand if thats the case how it gets into the combustion chamber unless it goes in the airbox.Off for another google.
Andrew

[Tombie]

Mine smoke a bit on start - and it goes shortly there after.

I had a theory, so replaced the oil in the feed tanks with fresh oil and it is better now.

[LandyAndy]

I think there is an issue.Its never smoked like this before.Just got some video footage,its missing every nown again and blowing a cloud of smoke,very noticable.
Will try and post it up.Im going to send it to a boat mechanic I think.
Andrew

[Tombie]

Pull the plugs and check...

[LandyAndy]

Finished playing with it for today.Used an infra red heat sensor whilst running,temps across all 3 cylinders were prety uniform.
Will pull the plugs tommorow.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Finally sorted the video.
High idle,cant say how many revs,tacho isnt working,I think I disconnected its power wire whilst wiring the fuel gage(which works a treat).Watch for the increasing smoke then backfire and clouds of smoke.The glass filter which I put next to the primer bulb always seems to stay half full.

08022014012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AIqD1xQN6A&feature=youtu.be)

Andrew

[cjc_td5]

Shame you arent close by,you could have this tub,its not deep enough for mine.I need something 700mm deep.Hoping to find a 200lt plastic drum,none there today.
Andrew

I use a 200l plastic drum cut like yours landyandy. I can't get it deep enough for the leg on my 150hp yami so I have to find something deeper! You're welcome to it if you are over this way.

[LandyAndy]

I use a 200l plastic drum cut like yours landyandy. I can't get it deep enough for the leg on my 150hp yami so I have to find something deeper! You're welcome to it if you are over this way.

Thanks Chris.
Unfortunately I dont get over that way that often.
They normally turn up at our drum muster point,only got 20lts and 100lts at the moment.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Anybody watched the u tube clip yet????
Will be phoning the boat mechanic in the morning to book it in.Started it this morning,smoke billowing out,something definately gone astray.
08022014012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AIqD1xQN6A&feature=youtu.be)
Andrew

[Bearman]

It does look like the oil pump/regulator is putting too much oil into the pots. Oil injected outboards normally do not smoke that much at idle. Are you still running the same brand of oil. If no changes there I would also get it checked, it won't harm the motor but you are going to use more oil than necessary with the resultant extra smoke and pollution.

[LandyAndy]

Nothing changed with the oil.
Andrew

[Tombie]

Sorry Andy, apart from the above regarding too much oil being injected I can't think of a reason for the excess smoke.

[LandyAndy]

Too much oil Tombie,its running out of the exhaust:(:(:(:(:(
Ringing a new boat shop tommorow,they are Merc dealers.I told the other bloke the last few launches produced a fog of smoke on startup which cured,told me my carbs needed a service,was still the same after he worked on it.
Spoke to this fellow a few weeks ago telling him Im over the bloke who has serviced my boat from new and will try his shop next time I need work done.He is an older gent,told me he doesnt get into slaging his opposition,but Im telling a story he has heard many times before.
Andrew

[Tombie]

Got to ask mate, what's it say on the port side of your transom?

[LandyAndy]

It was there when I bought it,bad luck to remove it;);););););)

Wanted.Good woman with bigger boat and trailer,send photo of boat.
Andrew

[Blknight.aus]

too much oil,...

it could also be just running cold....

ID be checking the relief system on the oil injector pump, if its sticking closed you'll be over injecting it might be as simple as some old oil gumming up in the return/feed bypass.

It might respond to a some new oil with just a little ATF mixed into it then taken out and worked like a dog.

I've always maintained that 2 strokes should always be stored sans fuel and oil

[LandyAndy]

I spoke to my NEW boat mechanic today,went thru my list of woes.He believes the work I had done at the last shop was not done correctly.
He thinks the carbys wernt balanced and its running lean.All problems are inter related,especially the breakdown and having to hand pump the fuel,he says they botched the job and the fuel pump has failed:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:.At least this bloke has a tank which allows them to load test the motor.I know the other bloke only uses muffs as I saw them doing it to another boat last time I visited.
I tell you Im NOT HAPPY.
Also will miss out fishing with my Bro on the upcoming long weekend as planed,they are fully booked until the 6th March,tells me the waiting time is usually longer.:(:(:(:(:(:(
Andrew

[tailslide]

I feel for you Andrew. Not nice having to do the job twice.

I will be down that way for the long weekend with a rod and reel.:D:D:D

Cheers
Ron

[LandyAndy]

Do call in.
Welcome to grab some tomatoes/chillis/capsicums etc whilst your missus supports the Williams economy:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Finally the new boat mechanic has time for me.
Dropping the boat off tommorow for a good look over.Bloodyhell Only Another Thousand!!!!,I hope not:):):):):)
Andrew

[Tombie]

Im NOT HAPPY.


This begs the question?

Which Dwarf are you?

[LandyAndy]

Went to visit my boat in hospital today.Boat mechanic believes its good to go but wouldnt let me take it home.He strongly advised me to let him sea trial it on the weekend before I can take it home.
He found several faults the wheelbarrow mechanic had caused/overlooked.
Rough Idle.Centre carby way out of adjustment.
Exsessive Smoke.Oil pump delivering double the required dose.
Thermostat.Stuck open,corroded.Never been checked as the plate has never been off the water jacket.Causing motor to run too cold,especially at idle.Its ticked as serviced in the book over many visits:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Broken clip on throttle.The wheelbarrow mechanic broke a plastic clip that holds the accelerator rod to the accelerator cable.He says at WOT the clip would fall off and the motor returns to idle.I didnt use WOT on the last outing so wouldnt have known.
He ran it for 3 hours at WOT in his tank,running sweet.Wants the sea trial to ensure there is nothing else out of place.Compression and spark etc all very good.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

This begs the question?

Which Dwarf are you?

The big fat Ranga **** if there is one;););););)
Andrew

[Tombie]

Mate that's great news on the motor and sounds like you've got a bloke who is switched on.

Being so busy might pay to book your next service for June :)

[LandyAndy]

Mate that's great news on the motor and sounds like you've got a bloke who is switched on.

Being so busy might pay to book your next service for June :)

Tells me he runs a 6 week waiting list all year,plenty of blokes in the workshop too.
Wheelbarrow mechanic runs 1 boat not fixer and has a very short waiting time.
Andrew

[Chops]

Tells me he runs a 6 week waiting list all year,plenty of blokes in the workshop too.
Wheelbarrow mechanic runs 1 boat not fixer and has a very short waiting time.
Andrew

Now you know why,,

Good to hear your new mech seems to know what he's up to. He may have a fiar sized waiting list, but he sounds worth it.

[Tombie]

Gday Andy

Hope things are going well with regards to the Boat..

Mate, after a long journey of frustration myself - we launched the SharkCat yesterday for the first time in over 12 months and it was brilliant.

Since we purchased it we have always had some issue on a trip out.

Well this time everything went as planned. :cool:

Too many ****ties about to haul in any good fish, but got a feed of Blue Swimmers and had a good time..

Definitely worth the frustration... And the sunburn...:p

[LandyAndy]

Mate,I dragged it home and left it hitched to the D2 in the drive.Stole the Turbo Territory and bolted back to Perth,see the general forum:(:(:(:(:(:(
Andrew

[Tombie]

Aww Andy... That's horrible news...
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