P38 and disco 2 rear bar [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

Pete38

13th January 2014, 07:29 AM

Bit of a long shot but I'm assuming a rear bar for a disco 2 wouldn't fit on a p38 with minor mods? The front of the chassis rails are the same width and just requires minor mods to the brackets to mount and align with wheel arches, but not sure about the rear. I'd be looking at a bar with tubes for the wings so alignment with the rear wheel arch isn't so critical.... I think.

After removing my rear bar on the weekend I think fabrication wouldn't be too hard, but saves a lot of effort if a disco 2 bar would almost fit.

rc42

13th January 2014, 07:53 AM

I've been trying to get a rear bar with wheel carrier fabricated by Ben from APT since June last year but he's always too busy with other work, I'm at the stage now where I just don't think it's going to happen so I need to find another option.

Moving to 265/75R16 BFG KM2's has been great for off road driving but there's no way the spare will fit in the the space from the original so we have to carry it in the back and it's even too big to go at one side as it stops the upper tailgate from shutting.

Anyway, I'd also be interested to know what options are available for fitting parts that are made for other vehicles.

Pete38

13th January 2014, 08:03 AM

Outback Accessories in WA (company who make the Xrox front bar on my p38) plan to make a rear bar.... Eventually. Intheozone was meant to go see them to be the prototype but he hasn't reported back. Thinking that's a long waiting game there as well.

My rear bar at the moment is just the metal skeleton with the plastic and side wings removed. Modified it a little on some rock steps and then caught it on a tree. So the plastic bits and side wings never went back on when I put the tow bar on a week or so ago.

benji

13th January 2014, 08:11 AM

I'm pretty sure the d2 chassis is narrower at the rear. It would be great if they could be made to fit though.

davidsonsm

13th January 2014, 08:11 AM

benji

13th January 2014, 08:41 AM

I wonder if sean's arm could be twisted a little?

He come to the party on the front bar.

davidsonsm

13th January 2014, 09:20 AM

[
In what way? Happy to help in any way I can.

QUOTE=benji;2064077]I wonder if sean's arm could be twisted a little?

He come to the party on the front bar.[/QUOTE]

TheTree

13th January 2014, 10:00 AM

Pete38

13th January 2014, 10:35 AM

Guess you each saw this post from last year?

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/p38a-range-rover/170215-p38-rear-bar-tyre-carrier-snafu.html

I was wondering if the MCC rear bar for the D2 with twin pivot arms, could be made to fit. Its a nice looking bar.

No I didn't see that one. Not sure how I missed it as it's quite long.

I know there was also another thread that had talk about a rear bar as well but couldn't easily find it... I used the search tool in this forum before posting... honestly ;)

Pete38

13th January 2014, 10:38 AM

Hi

I saw a P38 with a D2 rear bar and carrier, when I asked the guy he said someone in VIC put it on, buy he couldn't remember who :(

He said all they had to modify were the side pieces.

I emailed those guys near Bendigo, but they knew nothing about it.

I will definitely be getting one fabricated in Feb!

Steve

Keep me posted Steve. On the design thoughts, cost and also time frames. Might be interested, although I was likely to go down the C-section design between chassis rails and tube round the sides to match the xrox bar. But I'm not convinced. I'd like a rear swing away arm for the spare quite likely. Was also considering putting it on the roof but not convinced.

Edit: After all Gosford is a shortish drive for me

TheTree

13th January 2014, 07:41 PM

Keep me posted Steve. On the design thoughts, cost and also time frames. Might be interested, although I was likely to go down the C-section design between chassis rails and tube round the sides to match the xrox bar. But I'm not convinced. I'd like a rear swing away arm for the spare quite likely. Was also considering putting it on the roof but not convinced.

Edit: After all Gosford is a shortish drive for me

Hi
I will keep you informed

I saw this on the AULRO FB page as well
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=395203600612816&set=a.210977029035475.54162.100003695398667&type=1&theater

Done by Rampt Customs at Warners Bay

https://www.facebook.com/RamptCustoms4x4

I will be giving them a call once I get back from the states

Steve

Pete38

13th January 2014, 07:57 PM

Hi
I will keep you informed

I saw this on the AULRO FB page as well
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=395203600612816&set=a.210977029035475.54162.100003695398667&type=1&theater

Done by Rampt Customs at Warners Bay

https://www.facebook.com/RamptCustoms4x4

I will be giving them a call once I get back from the states

Steve
Nice find Steve. I like the look from that single photo. Might give them a call tomorrow and report back.

Thanks, Peter.

Keithy P38

13th January 2014, 08:35 PM

FYI it was Steve (intheozone) who lent his P38 to outback accessories for the Xrox bar.

Pete38

13th January 2014, 09:00 PM

FYI it was Steve (intheozone) who lent his P38 to outback accessories for the Xrox bar.

Thanks Keith. Yeh I realised that but he said he was going to contact them and never reported back.

Outback Accessories were pretty vague, and said there was no P38's booked in so there was no immediate hope....

So am slowly giving up hope on Outback Accessories unless someone from WA gives them a donor car shortly... And then even that might mean a a long time until production.

Was also hoping for the rock sliders but they are even further down the track I believe.

Was hoping for a rear to match my front bar but the hopes are dwindling. The front bar was well made and a good price...

Keithy P38

13th January 2014, 11:49 PM

Yeah I would like Outback Accessories to make one too. Sadly I think my mate will end up doing it!

Pete38

14th January 2014, 12:26 PM

Hmmm this looks promising... From an ebay seller from Oz.

Have left a message and hope to speak with him soon.

______________________________________

Hi Peter

We do Winch Bumpers, Rear Bumpers, Rock Sliders, Alloy Steering Guards, Diff guards TA/GUARD and fuel tank guard all for the P38.

If you want to to have a chat give me a call on ########.

Cheers

Justin

__________________________________________________ ______

Scouse

14th January 2014, 05:16 PM

There's always the Bearmach rear bar.
I've not seen one in the flesh & the pictures available on the 'net aren't too good but Karcraft are the local distributors here & can supply them with an order.

Range Rover P38 Rear Bumper Heavy Duty Range Rover P38 1995-2001 BA 4140 (http://www.4x4parts.co.uk/protection/bearmach/range-rover-p38-rear-bumper-heavy-duty-range-rover-p38-1995-2001-ba-4140-p-10809.html)

Pete38

14th January 2014, 06:35 PM

Thanks for posting that Scott.

I've always just ignored the limited overseas protection mostly because I expected the shipping to be loads... But that bar is supposedly only 41 pounds to ship from the UK... If it's right.

But yeh, without better photos and multiple angles I'd be reluctant to spend 680 dollars (640 odd if they remove the VAT).

Will still keep that in mind. Also puts a perspective on prices of a rear bar with no carriers.

Peter

Pete38

26th January 2014, 07:57 AM

Hey Steve.

Have you spoken to Rampt yet? I've tried a number of times but can't get a hold of him. He did try calling back mind you and explained in a voicemail why it is hard to get a hold of him so I'll keep trying. He also said there would be no problem making a rear bar or sill protectors/rock sliders. The guy is looking promising apart from being very hard to get a hold of at the moment.

His prices seem quite reasonable, his designs look quite good. The only thing that I can see as a negative for me is that he is about 3 hours drive for me each way. Not a huge problem if it's a one day service but as he hasn't done a P38 before he will obviously need time to look under it and feel it won't be a drop off and pick up the same day until he has done at least one P38.

So basically I am still going to see if we can arrange a way to minimise my driving back and forwards, leaving the car there, or having to have more than a single over nighter.... Hint hint, hopefully he can measure both the sliders and rear bar off yours if you are still interested in going to him :)

Peter.

TheTree

26th January 2014, 08:49 AM

Hi Peter

I still intend to contact him and get the bar and sliders :cool:

Currently I am flat out like a lizard drinking preparing for my annual company meeting in San Francisco.

Once I get back around mid Feb, I will be chasing that guy for sure!

Regards
Steve

TheTree

14th February 2014, 09:26 PM

Hi

I spoke to Benji at Rampt Customs today and emailed him a link to the forum thread and design by sean.

I am going to call him back and go up and see him early next week.

I also found a place at Wyong called "Barred Up" :wasntme: the guy seemed pretty positive he could do a bar as well. Will see him early next week as well.

I will let everyone know how it all goes.

Steve

Pete38

15th February 2014, 08:14 AM

Hi Steve,

I finally spoke with Benji just this week. We've had a few dramas with getting a hold of each other.

Basically we're at a stage where I should find some designs I like and then will need to drop the car off an leave it there while he fits a rear bar and the sliders... Now that's the main deterrent for me seeing it's a fair way to drive up and back twice while leaving the car there. Sounds promising otherwise.

But keen to hear any feedback you have as I'm still contemplating the idea. Sounds like he takes a lot of pride in his work.

Peter.

TheTree

15th February 2014, 11:13 AM

Pete38

15th February 2014, 06:59 PM

Peter

I am looking at basing my design on the one Sean made with any ideas Benji has for improvements.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/p38a-range-rover/175330-diy-rear-bar-swing-away-carrier.html

I am looking for Rock Sliders as well, so it may be easier for my beast to be the template vehicle since I live a fair bit closer, just an hour up the M1 for me.

Benji also rather proudly said "Being a Rover Man myself ..." which made me :D

Regards
Steve

Sounds good to me. Well that'll be great to be honest. Hopefully it works out to be just an overnighter for me. I'd do that because he does sound quite passionate about his work.

Yeh I hear ya about the rover and part, coming from someone who normally ain't brand biased :-) They're all good blokes ha ha. Good thing is our p38 chassis are far better suited for sliders over the classic he drives.

Peter.

Scouse

15th February 2014, 07:30 PM

Good thing is our p38 chassis are far better suited for sliders over the classic he drives.

The rock sliders on my Classic are body mounted, 50x50x5mm, & have copped an absolute beating over the years without any movement.

Do P38s need to be chassis mounted or is there a way to body mount them?

Pete38

16th February 2014, 10:27 AM

The rock sliders on my Classic are body mounted, 50x50x5mm, & have copped an absolute beating over the years without any movement.

Do P38s need to be chassis mounted or is there a way to body mount them?

I don't think they would have to be but it's likely the easiest I think from my inexperienced look underneath. I guess you get the benefit of them not flexing much at all, but need to allow some clearance for body movement.

Benji said he mounted his classic ones on the body as well because the chassis was too difficult. I don't doubt you can't mount them to the body with minimal felx though.

TheTree

24th February 2014, 04:23 PM

Hi,

I spoke to Benji at Rampt Customs today, after giving him a little nudge via voicemail :angel:.

I have the beast booked in for next Monday and he will need the car for two weeks :(

He is doing a rear bar with dual carriers, one wheel and one Jerry can, plus rocksliders.

All up it will be around 3K, about 650 for the sliders and the rest for the bar.

Hopefully he will come up with a good design which can be replicated.

At the moment we are going for lights in the bar and a detachable number plate carrier with light.

Will keep the forum up to date

Steve

Pete38

24th February 2014, 04:41 PM

Sounds good Steve. I'm sure Benji will do a great job. Sounds like he has passion for his work. I'll be sure to follow your bar and sliders.

Keithy P38

24th February 2014, 06:21 PM

3k! Ouch...

TheTree

24th February 2014, 07:27 PM

3k! Ouch...

Keith

That's what I thought when 3.5K was mentioned for a bar several months ago :eek:, but from looking around at pricing it does not seem so steep now.

It includes about 650 for the sliders as well

Still not cheap but it should be a great setup once done

Steve

davidsonsm

24th February 2014, 08:17 PM

2350 for custom made and fitted rear bar, with double pivots and lights etc. The MCC bar for the D2 was about 1800 before modding and fitting. So the price quoted sounds reasonable assuming it turns out alright.

Keithy P38

24th February 2014, 08:24 PM

Old mate up here who will be doing mine, will do 2 1/2 bars with swing-aways for that price! He's got a shop in his back yard and won't be making moulds, but could probably replicate.

benji

25th February 2014, 06:02 AM

If he is willing to build more sliders in the future I would be up for a set around jan/feb next year. Maybe earlier if I get some teaching work.

3k sounds a lot, but in 5 years time you'll be glad you spent it.

Keithy P38

25th February 2014, 07:24 AM

Definitely. I think even in standard form, a 4wd should never have a spare wheel in a location that:
A) Damages or has the potential to damage the tyre/rim - including caking it in whatever slop you've driven through, or
B) Is inaccessible without having to empty the cargo area.

As with everything, my bar has been pushed down the list until probably May now. I will ask old mate if he could do sliders as well. Although the price you've listed is a good price for sliders.

Rear bar wise, I was going to run a tube style bar, but have since decided I want plate. So it'll have twin tyre carrier and LED lighting as well.

Cheers
Keithy

rangerdanger

25th February 2014, 01:07 PM

I'm assuming you are all aware of the cad files available for the rear bar, carriers and sliders I designed last year?

DIY Rear bar and swing away carrier (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php't=175330)

TheTree

25th February 2014, 02:58 PM

TheTree

27th February 2014, 09:02 PM

3k! Ouch...

Keithy

Funnily enough the thing which gave me the "ouch" was when he said he needed the rangie for two weeks!

I immediately thought :eek:

Steve

Keithy P38

27th February 2014, 10:34 PM

Yeah! Two weeks is an awful long time! Especially if it's your daily driver!

Pete38

28th February 2014, 06:17 AM

Yep. Thats a thing that's making me hesitate as well. The length of time he needs it, which means I would need to go up and back twice. 10 hours of driving!!!

Keithy P38

28th February 2014, 06:37 PM

If I lived closer he could have mine! But the world ain't flat...

TheTree

10th March 2014, 04:24 PM

Hi

There has been a delay, as week from Benji at first, now a week from me.

So it's currently planned that I drop it there on the 17th!

Steve

wayneg

10th March 2014, 05:42 PM

Any one seen the car on ebay? ends tomorrow. Has a Hard Range Front bar and a rear Bar with swing away spare carrier. Was Just over A$2.2k when I last looked, to far for me.

Keithy P38

10th March 2014, 05:54 PM

I'll jump on now! Where is it located?

Keithy P38

10th March 2014, 05:58 PM

Anyone keen? I can't fork out that much right now (I am paying twice that in half-yearly rates at the moment).

Brian??

TheTree

10th March 2014, 07:50 PM

Hi

It's in VIc at Kinglake West.

Steve

mtb_gary

10th March 2014, 10:50 PM

I've been watching with interest, although at $4,000 it has just lost my interest :(. Too much when you add shipping to Perth.

Gary

Keithy P38

10th March 2014, 11:01 PM

Yep, I just got out-bid... Too $$$ when you factor in no RWC and other sight-unseen issues...

Pete38

18th March 2014, 04:41 PM

Hey Steve. Rumours have it that your in process of your sliders and rear bar! It's a small world in the fourby, and especially P38 world ha ha.

Benji from Rampt gave me call this arvo and likely to use your car as a template for my sliders yippee! Minor changes for mine using round tube to under the sills due to my front bar deisgn but otherwise similar... He will send some pics of the progress so I can give the go ahead or any changes so I can drive up and fit rather than a camp over or drop off and leave. Sliders very likely to go ahead with.

Still gotta work out whether I can get some rear bar design based off yours or another I have in mind, but use your mount dimensions so preps before I get there so it's an over nighter for the bar. But this is more hope and it sure for the rear bar yet.

So cheers :D

Hope you're excited. Have a great feeling with Benji and his work.

p38arover

18th March 2014, 07:29 PM

Still gotta work out whether I can get some rear bar design based off yours or another I have in mind, but use your mount dimensions so preps before I get there so it's an over nighter for the bar. But this is more hope and it sure for the rear bar yet.

I can see that I'll have to invite all and sundry around to measure mine when I take it off to sell it.

Pete38

18th March 2014, 08:17 PM

I can see that I'll have to invite all and sundry around to measure mine when I take it off to sell it.

I'll bring a 6 pack of beer round then ha ha.

Scouse

18th March 2014, 08:50 PM

when I take it off to sell it.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/631.jpg

p38arover

18th March 2014, 09:01 PM

I'll bring a 6 pack of beer round then ha ha.

Red wine, please! :D

Keithy P38

19th March 2014, 05:13 AM

It'd be good if there was a fabricator close to everyone!

I got a quote on that Kaymar bar on eBay, $145 from Melbourne up to me in Townsville. Not bad considering the weight.

I still want to know who beat me to it...

Pete38

19th March 2014, 05:59 AM

Yeh the shipping doesn't appear to be as high as I thought it would be. Small in comparison to the cost of the bar. It'll cost me half that to drive to Newcastle for the sliders... But Benji was pretty fanatical in fitting them to the car to make sure they fit 100%. But an existing bar or bar thats been made many times doesn't really need to be checked..

RoverHse

1st April 2014, 01:08 PM

There is a guy Burnco (http://www.burnco.co.za) in Cape Town that makes front bars, rear bars with wheel carriers and rock sliders for the P38 and other LR models.

I'm assuming that once shipping, tax, etc are added that the cost will blow out. I'll be e-mailing him to get some costs and will update when I know.

RoverHse

2nd April 2014, 06:21 PM

I got some prices:
Front bar $912 (based on ZAR10/$ exchange rate)
Rear bar $912
Wheel carrier for rear bar $460

They will package, but we need to arrange own couriers.

RoverHse

2nd April 2014, 06:25 PM

And a picture of the front bar

I got some prices:
Front bar $912 (based on ZAR10/$ exchange rate)
Rear bar $912
Wheel carrier for rear bar $460

They will package, but we need to arrange own couriers.

Pete38

2nd April 2014, 06:38 PM

Quite tidy looking front bar. What about the rear? I think this is the one I looked at months ago but they never replied about postage cost so I let it slip.... But still curious

Edit: I have now scrolled up and saw the rear bar. Oops

TheTree

2nd April 2014, 06:49 PM

Hi

That could work out OK depending upon shipping and fitting of course

Steve

Keithy P38

2nd April 2014, 08:04 PM

Shipping will kill both... Could ship just the bars and have wheel carriers made locally, still wouldn't be cheap!

TheTree

17th April 2014, 07:08 AM

Hi

Well today is the day, I hope :eek:

The bars and sliders are supposed to be back from the powder coating.

Pretty tight since I am heading off to the BluesFest at Byron for Easter.

So it's pick up the beast, wire up the new taillights etc and tweak a couple of other things, then load her up and set off !

I will post pics as soon as I get a chance :D

Steve

Pete38

17th April 2014, 07:11 AM

Tight alright. Hope the bar and sliders have turned out well.

You seen any work in progress in person or just photos?

Hope to see some poser shots when you get a chance.

TheTree

17th April 2014, 08:21 AM

Pete

I have only seen photos so far, it looks good but it's hard to tell from the limited pics I have seen

Poser shots for sure!

Steve

TheTree

17th April 2014, 09:39 PM

HI

Well a monster day later and I am back home with a very good looking rear carrier bar and sliders.

Need to wire up the taillights etc and it is finished!

Pics soon

Steve

benji

18th April 2014, 07:13 AM

Good on you Steve! Bet your going to enjoy it too.

Can wait for the pics.

TheTree

29th April 2014, 09:25 AM

Hi

I have finally found the time to take a few pics, complete with dust and crap:p

Will take some better shots once wash the beast!

Very happy with the bar and sliders :D Note the high lift jack attachment points Benji added as well

But what is that big bloody box on the right rear ? It will be gone soon :p

Steve

Pete38

29th April 2014, 09:32 AM

davidsonsm

29th April 2014, 10:06 AM

That does look bloody good. I'd be interested to also see it without the pivot/swing arms attached.

The other thing I was pondering the other day, is how to get a rear right mudguard/flap the same width as the left one. It does look stupid having a 2/3's width mud flap on one side.