taking the plunge

[DiscoTDI]

Today I walked into my land rover dealer and took the plunge and put a deposit on a new V8 disco, I hope the sacrafice in fuel economy is going to be worth the extra power.

[bigbugga]

Well done DiscoTDI, might mean you now have to change your name. :wink:


The V8 is a nice drive, I am still enjoying mine and have gotten used to the extra fuel usage and learnt to drive to save fuel a bit

[KEV0044]

...

[AdamN]

Congrats on your new purchase - and your courage!
I just did the opposite and traded my 97 V8 for an 01 TD5. IMHO the TD5 is only slightly down on power compared to my old V8 (seat of the pants dyno!). The best i could do around town was 400-450 km out of a tank. Every car i've owned has been a V8 so fuel economy hasn't been a concern but the Disco opened my eyes (and wallet - regularly). The only reason i traded it was for the economy, otherwise it was a bloody great vehicle. Congratulations again.

Adam

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Wow,, good stuff DiscoTDI,,,

I just love the look from the front!!!

those headlights and the full black grill is just awesome,,,

ignore the doomsayers,,

Drive it like you stole it!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Moses]

Onya DiscoTdi!! As the saying goes, the best car to drive is the newest one you have! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif From what I hear though, the first few tanks of juice will disappear prety quickly but when you get used to the power bands and torque curves you'll soon be able to drive it economically when you want to or need to.

I hope you get it dirty real soon style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[DiscoTDI]

The lord and master has said i am not allowed to get it dirty for a few thousand km :cry: ,what she doesnt know carlovers will fix :twisted:

[LandyAndy]

Hi Bigbugga
Obviosly from your "Tag" you aint no weed(talking bodysize not the smoky stuff).How do you go for legroom in the pilots seat? I sat in an auto Disco at the motorshow.With the seat all the way back the legroom was only just,with an extra pedal for the clutch,it could be quite tight for me.(think I would like a 5 speed)
Thanks
Andrew

[bigbugga]

Originally posted by LandyAndy
Hi Bigbugga
Obviosly from your "Tag" you aint no weed(talking bodysize not the smoky stuff).How do you go for legroom in the pilots seat? I sat in an auto Disco at the motorshow.With the seat all the way back the legroom was only just,with an extra pedal for the clutch,it could be quite tight for me.(think I would like a 5 speed)
Thanks
Andrew

Gee thanks I think :wink:

I have always had a problem with leg room and mostly head room in any car I have had.

I tested a manual Disco and there wasnt a lot of room left for my feet,(they big 8O ) but the leg room is about the same.

On long trips I will have the pattern off the door handle embedded in the side of my knee, but thats as bad as it gets.

Head room isnt a problem in the Disco either, dont have to use the sun visors as my head is high enough.

Have had my Disco now for 4 years and it is the most comfortable I have been on long trips out of all my past vehicals style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[bigbugga]

oh and so you know, I am about 6 foot 2 inch.

For a comparision :twisted:

[one_iota]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI
The lord and master has said i am not allowed to get it dirty for a few thousand km :cry: ,what she doesnt know carlovers will fix :twisted:

Mine got the carlovers and a polish today... 8O

It looks like a new one!!

I must take a photo and stick it in the gallery before next weekend's outing to Capertee.

2 hrs effort to clean and it will only take 30 seconds to ruin. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[one_iota]

Originally posted by bigbugga
oh and so you know, I am about 6 foot 2 inch.

For a comparision :twisted:

I'm a midget at 6 feet style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

I have found the manual very comfortable. I've done the 8 hr drive from Melbourne to Sydney with only a brief ****top and arrived as fresh as if it was a trip to the local supermarket.

[barney]

i'm jealous as-
you lucky bastard, forget the fuel consumption, if you don't think about it, it wont bother you. i'm just thankful my trip meter doesn't work or i'd be worried as well.
in 2002 we did a simpson trip, my 4.0L V8 had fuel figures of 22l/100k across the desert in high range with close on 1 tonne of gear, vhighway was about 17.1l/100km and city (alice springs) was an incredible 25l/100k.
in a 18yo landy.
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif to tell you the truth, i was pretty happy with that style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

wish i had the cash to buy a newy :cry:

[bigbugga]

Originally posted by one_iota


I'm a midget at 6 feet style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

.

Oh yeah real small fry :?

[VladTepes]

Speaking of fuel consumption.... current issue of 4wd monthly has a story of a patrol and jimny crossing the simpson... they reckoned the Patrol's fuel un-economy during the dune crossing parts to be, wait for it....


30 litres / 100 kms. :!: 8O


Be glad you're getting a Landy, methinks.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

maybe I can top that,,
from Birdsville to
Mt Dare, 140 litres,
The 200TDI with us used about 60,,,

[VladTepes]

Well, you will have these V8's..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

V8's belong in street machines, hotrods and such. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by VladTepes
Well, you will have these V8's..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif


Yes Vlad,, I will,, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
and after driving my mates 97TDI the other day,,,,

well everyone expects a Defender to, well,, not go fast,,

but if yours goes ANYTHING like this,,,, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif


*me sits under table waiting,,,,,*

[barney]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift
maybe I can top that,,
from Birdsville to
Mt Dare, 140 litres,
The 200TDI with us used about 60,,,

i used 142litres,in the V8, but you and me may not have gone the same route. same point of origin and destination though.
my mate in his 300tdi 130, with a trayon camper, used 88L

[Timmo]

Well done DiscoTdi.....you will love it.

It is all about the sound. And leaving people at the lights.

The fuel economy doesn't worry me...but the range with a standard fuel tank can be a bit of a pain, will consider a long ranger tank once my other mods have been paid for.

When you are tackling big hills off road make sure you turn down the radio and wind down the windows so you can hear what the V8 is all about.

[bigbugga]

Originally posted by Timmo


When you are tackling big hills off road make sure you turn down the radio and wind down the windows so you can hear what the V8 is all about.

Or fit a nice set of tuned pipes and then turn up the stereo just to hear it :twisted:

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pedro_The_Swift)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-VladTepes
Well, you will have these V8's..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Yes Vlad,, I will,, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
and after driving my mates 97TDI the other day,,,,
well everyone expects a Defender to, well,, not go fast,,
but if yours goes ANYTHING like this,,,, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
*me sits under table waiting,,,,,*[/b][/quote]

No, mines a 93, 200Tdi. It probably goes slower.
That's why I'm always up for a trip with series blokes....

Have a go at driving a TD5 with a mod-chip in it. V8 not required !
(oh when the Lotto numbers come marching in....)

Don't get me wrong, I love V8's but 4WD's - real ones - should be diesel :!:
(Hey that's just my opinion, but it is ipso facto correct style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif )




What the hell are you doing under that table :?: :roll:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Ok,,

give me ---- <span style="color:red">By The Fact...In & Of Itself...Just The Facts</span>... reasons why we should all drive diesels,,,

cant be engine braking,,

cant be very low down grunt,(below 1000)

cant be power( :wink: )

cant be mpg

cant be running costs

can it be fuel vaporisation? naw,,,

must be low max torque and power figures,,

I do wonder why people think you need an engine to be just off idle to go off road,,,





and what I'm doing under the table is my business 8O :wink: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[drivesafe]

Why not drive a diesel?
I have a heavy foot and don’t mind having a run at traffic lights, specially when there are few 4WDs ( or cars ) that can catch the rangie off the mark and up to 60 to 70 KPH mind you, you need a packed lunch to hold you over while you get the rest of the way up to 100 KPH.
On my last trip from Sydney to Brisbane towing a partly loaded trailer it took just under 11 hours and would have been quicker only for all the road works in NSW.
Fuel averaged out at 13L / 100 KM, that's better than a V8 gets solo.
On a normal trip, solo the Rangie averages just under 10L / 100 KM and with or without the trailer, very few vehicles pass me, it’s usually the other way round.
Being and old rev-head I do agree wholeheartedly with one point raised. NOTHING SOUNDS BETTER THAN A V8 DISCO.
And that is not only while your in one but the great sound they make as they go by!

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI
Today I walked into my land rover dealer and took the plunge and put a deposit on a new V8 disco, I hope the sacrafice in fuel economy is going to be worth the extra power.

A good "bump"

POST PHOTOS!!!!!

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift
Ok,,
give me ---- <span style="color:red">By The Fact...In & Of Itself...Just The Facts</span>... reasons why we should all drive diesels,,,
cant be engine braking,,
cant be very low down grunt,(below 1000)
cant be power( :wink: )
cant be mpg
cant be running costs
can it be fuel vaporisation? naw,,,
must be low max torque and power figures,,
I do wonder why people think you need an engine to be just off idle to go off road,,,
and what I'm doing under the table is my business 8O :wink: :lol:
It CAN be engine braking
It can be low down grunt (although not in LR small capacity diesels !)
OK, can't be power.
Certainly CAN be MPG - what the heck are you thinking :?: :!: :?
Running costs - fair point.
Fuel vaporisation - are you kidding ?
Max torgue is fine, power lower than V8 petrol, sure. But so what !

So there you go..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[one_iota]

Pedro,

We just love the smell of diesel in the morning.(Apologies to Stanley Kubric.)

You can come out now

its safe

trust us.

:twisted:

[DiscoTDI]

I pick it up tomorrow style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif ,I want it now



I will post up some photos when i get it

I do have to say I have always been a diesel fan until I towed a fully loaded camper trailer to the atherton table lands, really deppressing when semi trailers overtake you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif ,plus V8's sound really cool

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Pedro_The_Swift wrote:
Ok,,
give me ---- By The Fact...In & Of Itself...Just The Facts... reasons why we should all drive diesels,,,
cant be engine braking,,
cant be very low down grunt,(below 1000)
cant be power( )
cant be mpg
cant be running costs
can it be fuel vaporisation? naw,,,
must be low max torque and power figures,,
I do wonder why people think you need an engine to be just off idle to go off road,,,
and what I'm doing under the table is my business

It CAN be engine braking
It can be low down grunt (although not in LR small capacity diesels !)
OK, can't be power.
Certainly CAN be MPG - what the heck are you thinking
Running costs - fair point.
Fuel vaporisation - are you kidding ?
Max torgue is fine, power lower than V8 petrol, sure. But so what !

So there you go.....


Ok,,
we were talking OFF ROAD here,,--,,,
,,Does a V8 have better engine braking OFF ROAD than a Diesel,,???
one for an EXPERT,, ( remember EXPERT revs are NOT a factor)

I would imagine a 4litre diesel has wonderful low down grunt,, but so would a 4.6 petrol,,,

MPG,, how on earth can fuel economy make a better Off roader????
we are not talking DISTANCE,,, Diesel Vs V8 up one hill. ANY hill.
we are not concerned with money here,,,

vaporisation of fuel was a concern for LOTS of 4wds,, and IS STILL a selling point for Diesels (buyers :wink: ),,,,

Sorry Vlad,,,

cant think of ONE ULTIMATE reason why a diesel is better than a V8 in a 4wd.

or to put it another way,, something that ONLY a Diesel can do,,


please
be my guest
shoot me down,,,


style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

its always horses for courses,,,,

[one_iota]

Pedro,

Its the smell and the black sooty discharge emitted and the waving of hands over noses when the luckless and hapless pedestrians walk behind you when you start it.

Its the rattle in the pristine wilderness and the mimicry of the lyrebirds who can't get the right note in spite of having captured cleverly the sound of a chainsaw, a motorised camera shutter and the sweet V8.

And knowing that you still have another 400km to go before you have to fill up and the V8's are no further ahead on the same tracks and on empty.

[drivesafe]

Pedro_The_swift, I thought everybody WAS talking about economies of diesels ( money saved ) as compared to a V8 and all I was pointing out was that a 2.5 tonne HSE powered by a 3L diesel had similar power where needed as a V8.
And as the only apparent difference was economy, shouldn’t
your question be SOMETHING THAT ONLY A V8 CAN DO?
By the way, money was not a factor in buying a Rangie, SAFETY was!
Just to get back to the original question, I would truly like to know what the advantage is when considering buying a V8. Nothing other than a straight forward question.

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by one_iota
Pedro,

Its the smell and the black sooty discharge emitted and the waving of hands over noses when the luckless and hapless pedestrians walk behind you when you start it.

Its the rattle in the pristine wilderness and the mimicry of the lyrebirds who can't get the right note in spite of having captured cleverly the sound of a chainsaw, a motorised camera shutter and the sweet V8.

And knowing that you still have another 400km to go before you have to fill up and the V8's are no further ahead on the same tracks and on empty.

:cry: sob. Poetry.

It's beautiful style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Nicely put.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by one_iota
Pedro,

And knowing that you still have another 400km to go before you have to fill up and the V8's are no further ahead on the same tracks and on empty.

damn, stabbed in the back,,,


nice lead up though,,,

:wink:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'm sure drivesafe, if I had the dollars to buy one tommorrow The new TD5 would have to perform a LOT better than previous incarnations to get my vote,, maybe it does,, but Im still not sure I want to live in the world that one_iota painted so well.

practical reasons?
most V8's will see 500,000klms with very little problems,, (mostly cams)
just stick fuel in it for 10 years,,

these small high speed diesels dont seem to get there without LOTS of engine work,, a quick look through any LR forum in the world shows that up,,,

A V8 will cruise all day at illegal speeds, and do it for 10 years. just stick fuel in it. Its wonderfull to read of LR diesels on motobahns going from country to country at 90MPH,, just think about the poor sod that will own it in 10 years,,

After all these posts, does it simply come down to having to defend (oops)a decision I made 6 years and 150,000 klms ago?

To finish my part in this saga( :wink: ) I hope to own BUB91 for a further 6 years and ANOTHER 150,000 klms.

Any of you diesel owners thinking along these lines?


8)

[bigbugga]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift


A V8 will cruise all day at illegal speeds,


8)

Now I know why you are always smiling :wink:



Having tested the deisel and v8 before I bought my own disco I will have to agree with you Pedro.
I have yet to try a td5 but so I will always be open to change if it is needed.

It is nice to know you can put your foot down and TAKE OFF when you have to pass a 5 dog road train, instead of waiting untill you can see to the horision so you know you have enough room to get past.

Again these are my opinions from the test drives I did awhile ago, not saying it is the same for everyone.

[landrovermick]

I recon I WILL NEVER sell my disco - shes mine (or at least nearly) and i will never borrow money to buy a car again - so im stuck with her.

Occasionally I think that i would like a V8 but it would have to run gas - but as has been said earlier on 800km to a tank- the fuel savings alone pay for the maintenance - and i like having half a tank to go when others are filling up from jerry cans.......

I love my disco - im glad its a diesel - its not race car, if i wanted a race car i would have bought a XY GT or a HQ monaro or a HJ LS- but it is one of the best 4x4 by far !

mick

[DiscoTDI]

Well to add fuel to the debate, I picked up the V8 on friday night and after the first weekend all I can say is droooooooollllll

[bigbugga]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI
Well to add fuel to the debate, I picked up the V8 on friday night and after the first weekend all I can say is droooooooollllll

Naturally :twisted:

[harry]

8) barrrsted!!!!!!!!!!!
congratulations!!!!
8) harry

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI
Well to add fuel to the debate, I picked up the V8 on friday night and after the first weekend all I can say is droooooooollllll

get used to that adding fuel :wink:

nice to hear you're happy with it,,,

change that TAG!!!

[Timmo]

Nice DiscoV8. Looking forward to seeing the pics....

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by That V8 driving son of a gun Pedro
To finish my part in this saga( ) I hope to own BUB91 for a further 6 years and ANOTHER 150,000 klms.

Any of you diesel owners thinking along these lines?

Yep.

I couldn't afford to buy a newer Landy anyway. And I love mine.
So there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by VladTepes
And I love mine.
So there. :P


8) :wink:

[chantrys]

We just picked up our new TD5 last week and I must say it is very responsive and certainly no slouch. My mate has a '99 V8 and we haven't had any problems following or keeping up with him (yet).

But in our short trip on Sunday with only moderate hill climbs involved, he guzzled almost twice as much juice as my shiny new TD5.

Time will tell, but we're very very happy with the TD5 so far.

Cheers,
Chantry's

[drivesafe]

Pedro, I don’t know where you got your info from but it is common knowledge that a diesel engine has an operating life of around 3 times that of a comparable petrol engine, V8 or otherwise and coming from someone who seems to have a fetish about MONEY, the point is that a diesel can do every thing that a petrol engine can do and do it longer and do it cheaper.
From what I can find out, two reasons petrol engines were used in earlier 4WDs seems to be that at the time petrol engines were cheaper to manufacture and were smaller than diesels for the same power output.
These reasons are no longer valid and when you look at companies like BMW who now racing diesel engined cars, it must start to become obvious that diesels are now equal to and in many cases, superior to petrol engines.
My original question is still, does anybody have a legitimate requirement for using a V8 over a diesel.
Regards all. 8)

[bigbugga]

Would not personal choice be a legitimate reason?

I ansewered once before with my reasons but it still comes down to a personal choice of each and every driver.

[drivesafe]

Yes BB I agree wholeheartedly with that reason and I must admit I was more intent on returning a shot at the comments about having MONEY.
I’ve busted my buns to get to where I am now in a position to be able to sit back and enjoy the fruits of my labour.
I have a diesel but if it was down to choice and choice alone I would be driving a V8 powered Rangie.
Not To Be ( NOT YET ).
I’m only new to this site and with an exception, the site is very helpful and I’d like to return the assistance by helping where I can.
I started my working life shovelling coal on steam engines around NSW and got into automotive electronics while doing that.
I’ve designed and manufactured electronics for everything from motor bikes to Winnebagos, to 18 wheeler on up to heavy mining equipment and I don’t normally sling off at anybody else but I’ve paid for my Rangie the hard way.
Now for every one else with a V8, I'M JEALOUS! 8)

[Moses]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI
The lord and master has said i am not allowed to get it dirty for a few thousand km :cry: ,what she doesnt know carlovers will fix :twisted:

I HAD to wait a whole 2 weeks before I was allowed to take mine off road so all that underbody deadening and rust proofing could dry. On the 15th day I discovered mud..... :twisted:

[one_iota]

Originally posted by Moses
On the 15th day I discovered mud..... :twisted:

We are now restricted to three days a week using a watering can.. dust proofing is the issue.

At least diesel is cheaper than petrol....still sub $1.00/litre

And I go twice as far!

[harry]

8) ok in the left corner we have a v8 lover and in the right a distillate sucking contender
now the round is nearing the service station
its all go as the pumps are out
their hoses are vibrating with fuel
the meter is going 'ching ching'
and the v8 wins
he doesn't have any kero spilt on him, not a drop!
its off to pay the lady [we gotta allow for them now- its politically correct
someone should **** off the teachers union]
and who wins

DUNNO DO WE [ oops i don't do caps - this is 'sposed to be fun for me]



are we going to be forced to use distillate?

my merc won't run on that
[ok hers!]

8) harry

[one_iota]

And I'll just be sneaking up to the "fish and chips" to siphon some fat from their fryers.

I can run on biodiesel all day and leave the distiller for "moon shine"

[Pedro_The_Swift]

*me bites tongue*

[DiscoTDI]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pedro_The_Swift)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-DiscoTDI
Well to add fuel to the debate, I picked up the V8 on friday night and after the first weekend all I can say is droooooooollllll

get used to that adding fuel :wink:

nice to hear you're happy with it,,,

change that TAG!!![/b][/quote]

but its who i am style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

I have pics in the gallery now too

[Pedro_The_Swift]

And a bloody nice looking LR it is too 8O

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by drivesafe

I’m only new to this site and with an exception, the site is very helpful

8O with an exception :?: (Looks over shoulder...)

Hope it's not me.

[drivesafe]

No Vlad, it was not you, I don't concider my self thinskined but a number of comments were made that I took offence to by someone but others also had there say about those same comments and I see the comments have stopped.
End of Story.
Regards