wonder if its an illusion

[Ean Austral]

Gday All,


On our recent travels sat behind plenty of the new model land cruiser utes 79 series?... anyway it seems that the front wheels track wider than the rear.


I can only assume its some sort of illusion ?


If not, its no wonder they have a turbo V8, to help get it thru soft sand.


Anyone else noticed it.


Cheers Ean

[landiematt]

Yeah I thought all cars where wider track at the front. But the l/c utes seem to be a bit more.
Matt

[Ean Austral]

Yeah I thought all cars where wider track at the front. But the l/c utes seem to be a bit more.
Matt


Well there you go, I didn't think any of my Disco's had a wider front track but never really looked , but the cruiser seems to be like 1/2 a wheel out.


Cheers Ean

[Graeme]

I recently heard about someone fitting spacers behind the Toyo's rear wheels to improve tracking.

[Tombie]

Yes, the track is substantially different... Seems they had a pile of stock rear diffs but the V8 wouldn't fit up front without changing the track.

But they left the back!

[Don 130]

From exploroz:
"According to the toyota published spec sheets, the new 70 series is actually different to the old 78/79 series in that respect.

Using the std cab chassis as an example:
79 series. Front track 1435mm, Rear track 1420mm
70 series. Front track 1515mm, Rear track 1420mm

The 70 series blurb actually mentions the 'new wider front track'.

Now 15mm difference in the 78/79 series isn't too bad, but 95mm (nearly 4inches) seems like a big difference to me, making placing the wheels where you want, driving in ruts, and sand driving, etc pretty awkward".
Don.

[101RRS]

The rear track of the 101 is 1" wider than the front.

There is a lot of talk on other forums about issues related to different tracks on the LC but those who actually have them find it is not an issue. My brother has one and has not found it an issue.

Garry

[MR LR]

The rear track of the 101 is 1" wider than the front.

There is a lot of talk on other forums about issues related to different tracks on the LC but those who actually have them find it is not an issue. My brother has one and has not found it an issue.

Garry
That's a broad statement, I sold an 80 series I 'invested in' to a bloke that had had a 76 series ute, he said he thought it was downright dangerous and drove very spookily because of the track difference, he sold it for that reason, I am inclined to believe him after seeing how many morons seem to roll them over.

It's all just for cost cutting, and it does look terrible when you are following them!

Cheers
Will

[LandyAndy]

They dont like curves at speed on bitumen,gravel is shocking!!!!
The just want to plough on ahead.
Andrew

[Basil135]

It's all just for cost cutting, and it does look terrible when you are following them!

Cheers
Will

Easy fixed. Just go around and then you can point & laugh... :D



:wasntme:

[MR LR]

Easy fixed. Just go around and then you can point & laugh... :D



:wasntme:
If only a Td5 pulled up hills like the TDV8 in the cruiser...

[rijidij]

.........................The 70 series blurb actually mentions the 'new wider front track'....................


'The new wider front track'...........typical Toyota spin, they are good at brainwashing their customers into believing they have the best..........and Toyota can afford to spin bull dust....

A few years ago our club was told, by the president of Land Rover Australia, that his total advertising budget for the whole range of Land Rover vehicles was equivilent to what Toyota spent advertising just the Kluger (a boring family SUV).

Cheers, Murray

[LandyAndy]

If only a Td5 pulled up hills like the TDV8 in the cruiser...

Mine kills them;););););)
The only Tojo TDV8 that pulls is the twin turbo in the 500 or whatever Series they are up too;););););) They only run a single turbo on the commercial ones because the gearbox is almost as strong as a series box:D:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew

[Zute]

I think some one is fitting the 100 rear axle along with coil suspension. But it makes for an expensive truck.

[BigJon]

The massive track difference makes them very unpleasant to drive on any sort of rutted or uneven surface, even bitumen that is regularly travelled by trucks. The higher spec ones with wider tyres are marginally better than the base spec with narrow tyres.

[Tombie]

If only a Td5 pulled up hills like the TDV8 in the cruiser...


By all measures seen, and in many instances it will...

The shockingly mismatched gearing of the LC and tall gearing, they really are a disappointing vehicle.

At the Hummocks on the way to Adelaide I can easily out accelerate them up the hills in the TD5.

[Tombie]

They are fun to watch, very twitchy!!

[Slunnie]

I think some one is fitting the 100 rear axle along with coil suspension. But it makes for an expensive truck.
This is what I'd do too, if not retaining the leaf setup.

[LandyAndy]

By all measures seen, and in many instances it will...

The shockingly mismatched gearing of the LC and tall gearing, they really are a disappointing vehicle.

At the Hummocks on the way to Adelaide I can easily out accelerate them up the hills in the TD5.

On an early morning trip to the city I had one on my back bumper just itching for an overtake manouver,I was following 2 roadtrains and had no interest in passing them until the next uphill overtaking lane,back to 3rd unleashed everything she had.I was back in my lane after the second train when the tojo was leveling with the cab of the first;);););) The truckies even called me a bat out of hell over the 40ch,told them she goes ok for a 2.5lt diesel,hows that V8 cruiser going back there.They were laughing thier guts out,strugling was the reply!!!
Andrew

[CraigE]

The older models had a wider front track. This was made wider to accommodate the V8 but they did not widen the rear. We had one of the earlier ones and on the dirt the back kept trying to overtake the front. Also caused some issues in rutted tracks. The new ones have similar track.

[BMKal]

If only a Td5 pulled up hills like the TDV8 in the cruiser...

Can only assume you're joking - either that or you don't know much about the Td5. The Td5 will kill a V8 cruiser (single turbo version) up hills any day of the week.

When I was working down in Kambalda, one of the things that regularly brought a smile to my face was rounding up all the Toyota work utes in the overtaking lane up the hill just north of the townsite. I was in a stock standard Td5 D2.

Once we got over the top of the hill, it was amazing the number of these Toyotas that would eventually catch me up and find a spot to go round me at stupid speeds and often in stupid locations - it seems that they just couldn't handle the embarrassment of being overtaken by a 2.5 litre Landrover - there used to be some quite amusing comments made on Ch 40. :o

[Keithy P38]

200 series twin turbo diesels don't like being passed uphill by petrol V8 P38's either! They wait til flat ground to take their position back. Can't hold speed uphill though!

[MR LR]

Can only assume you're joking - either that or you don't know much about the Td5. The Td5 will kill a V8 cruiser (single turbo version) up hills any day of the week.

When I was working down in Kambalda, one of the things that regularly brought a smile to my face was rounding up all the Toyota work utes in the overtaking lane up the hill just north of the townsite. I was in a stock standard Td5 D2.

Once we got over the top of the hill, it was amazing the number of these Toyotas that would eventually catch me up and find a spot to go round me at stupid speeds and often in stupid locations - it seems that they just couldn't handle the embarrassment of being overtaken by a 2.5 litre Landrover - there used to be some quite amusing comments made on Ch 40. :o
You could say the opposite actually, I know too much about Td5's, I have one and mum has one (both manual D2's), I do a lot of highway k's in both. We also have a 2006 4.2TD Cruiser ute on the farm and it leaves the Disco's in its dust up and over anything, I just assumed the V8 would go even better, but obviously others haven't experienced that :) I'm quite shocked as they seem torquey at the boat ramp, whereas a td5 has no bottom end.

Cheers
Will

[BMKal]

You must have two pretty clapped out Td5's then Will. ;)

The 4.2 turbo 6 cruiser is even easier to blow away on an uphill run than the V8. I have never yet had one better the Disco on a hill - and many have tried. :D

[DiscoMick]

Our son has just had his work Hilux replaced by one of the new LC utes and he's not happy. Reckons its cramped, uncomfortable and slow by comparison.

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[benji]

It the adrs that require the wheel hub to be a certain distance from where the leaf pack is bolted onto the axle. To widen the leaf pack attachments on the chassis would require a while chassis design change. It is legal though to widen the rear track which a lot so.

I do have trouble imagining a td5 drag of a new troopy, aren't they 500ish nm?

Put 3tonne behing both though and it may be a different story.

[Tombie]

Gearing plays a huge part....
The cruisers are so poorly geared...

[scarry]

Gearing plays a huge part....
The cruisers are so poorly geared...

Thats it they can't get the power/torque to the road.

This is where the LR's are way ahead,the D3/4 is also an excellent example of this.

[Ean Austral]

It never really bothered me whether they were in front or not, it was just a thing I noticed when we were behind some, and they looked 1/2 a wheel out from where we sat.


Our D3 did 110 with the camper on the back, up hill, down hill and on the flat easily in 25 degrees or 45 degrees , and wasn't worried about who went past .


Looking at our D3 I cant see any difference in the track from front to back.


Cheers Ean

[MR LR]

The one I drive is absolutely ****ed, mum's one would give any other stock one a run for it's money, it was the best performing car of all the D2's that went through our dealership, that's why it's red and why we still have it, only got 190kkm in 13 years of ownership too, the thing is brand new!

Speaking of gearing, is the general concensus that the cruisers need a higher top gear or what? I'm just thinking that maybe it's the tyres we have on the 4.2?

I'd love to actually see a td5 blow off a tdv8 or a 4.2 (that's trying aswell), I've got green blood, but I still find it hard to believe...

Cheers
Will

[MR LR]

**** it i think I need to go and test drive one of these new cruisers... see what all the fuss is about, hope the salesman doesn't come!

[Ean Austral]

**** it i think I need to go and test drive one of these new cruisers... see what all the fuss is about, hope the salesman doesn't come!

Meet your mum around the corner at the nearest long hill and see if it's true or not. I drove a v8 cruiser ute but had the D3 for a while so can't remember how it compares to the TD5.

Cheers Ean

[cjc_td5]

The older models had a wider front track. This was made wider to accommodate the V8 but they did not widen the rear. We had one of the earlier ones and on the dirt the back kept trying to overtake the front. Also caused some issues in rutted tracks. The new ones have similar track.

I was looking at a 70 series wagon new a week ago. The rear wheel track is still 93mm narrower than the front.

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[BigJon]

I'd love to actually see a td5 blow off a tdv8 or a 4.2 (that's trying aswell), I've got green blood, but I still find it hard to believe...

Cheers
Will

My pretty tired 3.9 V8 Rangie classic will see off my mates 30 000km old Cruiser ute. I reckon a well sorted TD5 should be quicker than a tired 3.9 Rover engine.

[Blknight.aus]

why the hell do you need something as exotic as a TD5 to do it?

the tdi200/300 has got more than enough in the pump...