110 axle load limits

[weeds]

what are they for a 95 defender

front 1200kg ?
rear 1750kg ?

[Bush65]

From a Land Rover document.

Standard 110:
1200 kg front
1850 kg rear

Heavy Duty option 110 (and 130):
1580 kg front
2200 kg rear

[weeds]

From a Land Rover document.

Standard 110:
1200 kg front
1850 kg rear

Heavy Duty option 110 (and 130):
1580 kg front
2200 kg rear

Thanks........soooo I'm 1240 on the front when I'm in touring trim with camper trailer connected, do you think they will catch me

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thats interesting my axles are a mixture of HD and standard?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/611.jpg

(and still the total of the axle loadings exceeds the GVM??? :confused: )

[uninformed]

Thanks........soooo I'm 1240 on the front when I'm in touring trim with camper trailer connected, do you think they will catch me

id say only if you post it on the internet...:p

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If you have changed the springs you may have already changed the axle limits, but would have had to have a blue plate affixed in Qld.

[uninformed]

If you have changed the springs you may have already changed the axle limits, but would have had to have a blue plate affixed in Qld.

Please explain...

[weeds]

Umm I have a bonnet mounted spare and a PTO winch

[uninformed]

Umm I have a bonnet mounted spare and a PTO winch

Can you move the spare? not that it will bring you back, but I cant see why you would want it there. Painful to open bonnet, worsens aerodynamics, and cuts front vision some what.

( I use to have one on my SIII)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Please explain...The main difference between the standard duty and the heavy duty is the capacity of the springs, so if you have changed springs to lift the vehicle you may also have fitted springs of a higher capacity. (yes there are also heavy duty diff hemispheres, but AFAIK in later models they they all had the same supposedly HD diff centre, except that the P38 diff have crownwheel problems)

In Qld if you want to change the axle limits or GVM, or lift the vehicle you have to get an engineers certificate and the machinery dept modification plate.

[uninformed]

The main difference between the standard duty and the heavy duty is the capacity of the springs, so if you have changed springs to lift the vehicle you may also have fitted springs of a higher capacity. (yes there are also heavy duty diff hemispheres, but AFAIK in later models they they all had the same supposedly HD diff centre, except that the P38 diff have crownwheel problems)

In Qld if you want to change the axle limits or GVM, or lift the vehicle you have to get an engineers certificate and the machinery dept modification plate.

Dont forget the chassis modifications and different axle housings in the HD/130 models.

Are you saying ANY spring lift needs engineering cert?

[FeatherWeightDriver]

AFAIK in NSW changing components does not vary the GVM or axle load limits, unless they are certified by an engineer.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Dont forget the chassis modifications and different axle housings in the HD/130 models.

Are you saying ANY spring lift needs engineering cert?The chassis front on my Defender is the same as the standard 110 (as is the rear) the difference is the HD springs and HD hemisphere.

If you want the springs to change the axle limit or GVM then it needs an engineers cert and blue plate.

Not completely familiar with Qld but AFAIK a lift over 50mm does require engineering.

[uninformed]

The chassis front on my Defender is the same as the standard 110 (as is the rear) the difference is the HD springs and HD hemisphere.

If you want the springs to change the axle limit or GVM then it needs an engineers cert and blue plate.

Not completely familiar with Qld but AFAIK a lift over 50mm does require engineering.

ok, so we are back to your imported 6x6 :D not quite the OPs vehicle or what was sold here....

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Its a standard 110 that had the rear chassis cut in the centre of the rear spring hanger and 40" of RHS inserted and the back welded back on. The springs IIRC are double orange stripes and the rear axle limits the same as a standard 110. It even has a 110 VIN.

[camel_landy]

To 'legally' change the limits, you're going to need engineer certification.

However...

It's all well & good beefing up the suspension but the heavier you run the greater the chance of something failing. Do what you can to lighten the load, rather than beefing up the suspension.

My 2p.

M

[Bush65]

:wallbash:

Kelvin, I take it that was a rhetorical question in your second post.

I wouldn't be worried about 40kg over on the front axle, unless the springs were loaded/sagged to be running nose down and close to the bump stops.

If it did looked sus, besides how bad it will ride, you might get pulled over and put on the scales. Then I don't know what tolerance might be applied (3.333% over) and could depend on how good a day they are having.

Dianna, I have never yet seen seen Land Rover axle ratings where the GVM is not less than the sum of axle ratings. GVM is not calculated by summing the axle ratings.

Depending on how the load is distributed, you can reach an axle rating before reaching GVM, or you can reach GVM before reaching either axle rating.

I agree the springs ratings are increased to increase the axle rating, but it doesn't mean that there are no structural changes to the axle or other areas.

IMHO it is irrefutable that the Heavy Duty Salisbury is strengthened for use in the HD option for 110's, as for the 130.

However I am yet to find that the rover front axle had any structural changes for the increased rating. Since the increase in rating for the front axle is much less than for the rear, you statement is probably correct, but it does read as though you think the rear axle housing is also unchanged.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi John

No I was only speaking about the front axle, the topic of the thread. Also relating it back to my chassis front. (the comments about the rear of mine was surprise that the front would have the HD specs and the rear standard*)

My thoughts on the matter were/are that if Weeds were to have the 130/110 HD equivalent springs and the HD diff hemisphere (or maxidrive/air locker etc), there is no reason that he couldn't have the front end specs uprated plus blue mod plate and therefore avoid any problems with the mermaids.

Diana :)

* glad it only has the lower rear specs, because I'm trying to have the GVM down rated to avoid the National Heavy Vehicle charges on the rego.

[weeds]

:wallbash:

Kelvin, I take it that was a rhetorical question in your second post.

I wouldn't be worried about 40kg over on the front axle, unless the springs were loaded/sagged to be running nose down and close to the bump stops.

If it did looked sus, besides how bad it will ride, you might get pulled over and put on the scales. Then I don't know what tolerance might be applied (3.333% over) and could depend on how good a day they are having.


nope serious question as I have a weigh bridge at work.........did axle weights and thought wonder what the max. is for each axle

a lot of people across the internet state they know the weights of their rigs/trailer etc but I really wonder how many actually take their rigs across weigh bridges

[bcj]

I think the HD 110 also has heavier rated rims (130 type) to achieve it's higher axle loads & gvm

Brett

110 300tdi

[Lotz-A-Landies]

nope serious question as I have a weigh bridge at work.........did axle weights and thought wonder what the max. is for each axle

a lot of people across the internet state they know the weights of their rigs/trailer etc but I really wonder how many actually take their rigs across weigh bridgesDigger mentioned some time ago that SA Police were weighing 4WD and issuing defect notices for overweight vehicles. Not the sort of thing you want to have happen when you are away on holidays.

[weeds]

Digger mentioned some time ago that SA Police were weighing 4WD and issuing defect notices for overweight vehicles. Not the sort of thing you want to have happen when you are away on holidays.

understand....but at lease I know where I am at unlike thousands of other touring rigs

maybe I should increase the tow ball weight, would this decrease the front axle weight??

[n plus one]

nope serious question as I have a weigh bridge at work.........did axle weights and thought wonder what the max. is for each axle

a lot of people across the internet state they know the weights of their rigs/trailer etc but I really wonder how many actually take their rigs across weigh bridges

Well I do - I run at GVM with 'perfect' front/rear axle weight distribution (based on the ratio of front/rear max axle loads).

A couple of quick trips to the dump sorted that out :D

PS I've seen the RTA weighing and fining passenger cars on the way to the ski fields to - they just waved the Deefer through though (probably cos ws were the only vehicle not dragging our arse!).

[Lotz-A-Landies]

understand....but at least I know where I am at unlike thousands of other touring rigs

maybe I should increase the tow ball weight, would this decrease the front axle weight??I'm agreeing with you, I just wish the cost of the engineers report was cheaper so you could upgrade the rating and travel without worry or fuss. (or worrying about the fuzz!) ;)

[inside]

Perentie front axle limit is 1300kg and it's just a stock rover diff.

Just use the she'll be right approach and if it breaks just weld it up.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Perentie front axle limit is 1300kg and it's just a stock rover diff.

Just use the she'll be right approach and if it breaks just weld it up.What hemisphere is inside inside? ;)

The standard duty 2 planetary bevel gear hemisphere or the HD 4 planetary bevel gear hemisphere?

[Bush65]

understand....but at lease I know where I am at unlike thousands of other touring rigs

maybe I should increase the tow ball weight, would this decrease the front axle weight??
Yes, increasing the load on the towball will reduce the load on the front axle.

Remember your total weight doesn't change, so the extra weight from the trailer plus whatever was reduced from the front axle get added to the rear axle, i.e. there was no free weight reduction, just a load shift. Just saying ......