Nazis in Brazil, 1930's

[bob10]

How many German Nazis ended up there after the War? Besides the mad Doctor. Bob




BBC News - The Brazilian ranch where Nazis kept slaves (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25815796)

[Pickles2]

Interesting.
I think the Auchwitz "Doctor" Mengel (spelling?) ended up down there somewhere?
Thanks, Martin.

[VladTepes]

1930s? Do you mean late 40s?
There was a significant Germann population in Brazil pre war though.

[bob10]

Interesting.
I think the Auchwitz "Doctor" Mengel (spelling?) ended up down there somewhere?
Thanks, Martin.


Martin, read the link, Bob
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[bob10]

1930s? Do you mean late 40s?
There was a significant Germann population in Brazil pre war though.


Vlad, the link , Bob
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[Chucaro]

South of Brasil and the south of Chile was full of that scum bags and I guess that trough the gene pool some of the influence of these evil individuals contaminated some of the politicians and army personnel during the 60's and early 80's in some of the countries over there.

[VladTepes]

Well from the link it doesn't appear to be a tribe of Nazis - just maybe a family / small group of Nazis / Nazi sympathisers. Either way their behaviour was appalling.


No doubt the Swastika on the bricks is, or matches closely, a Nazi Swastika.


The football flag however, unless it has been mounted to the pole the wrong way, is reversed and therefore not the Nazi party symbol.

[Bigbjorn]

There is a substantial ethnic German population in Argentina dating to the late 1800's. Guess who made the beer?

[Pickles2]

Martin, read the link, Bob
:wallbash:
I did mate.
Martin.

[bob10]

I did mate.
Martin.


Thank you, Bob



After WWII several Nazis fled to S America - notorious SS doctor Josef Mengele evaded capture for decades and died in Brazil in 1979

[Pickles2]

Thank you, Bob



After WWII several Nazis fled to S America - notorious SS doctor Josef Mengele evaded capture for decades and died in Brazil in 1979
I read it again, I'd read the main subject of the link, but I hadn't seen the Mengele link on the RHS!!
Thanks, Martin.

[Jojo]

Well, nothing in this article proves a connection with Nazi-Germany at all. The use of swastikas is connected to the German Nazi party as they used it as their symbol, but apart from that, no other connection can be made. The swastika is actually an universal symbol, used in many cultures and sometimes with different meanings (e.g. in Finland during WW I, in India and other parts of SE Asia still today).
The article makes no claim that the owners of the farm were of German ancestry. This makes it unlikely, as this fact would have been exploited and put forward. The fact that workers were treated like slaves was (and in some places probably still is) quite common in those areas (as it was in the Southern states in the US), so no connection to any National Socialistic ideology can be made from this fact.
As Vlad pointed out, the swastika on the flag is pointing the wrong way to be identified as the symbol of the Nazi party.

As for Joseph Mengele, he escaped to Brazil after the war, with knowledge (and probably assistance) of the world powers then. He even managed to return to Germany to visit friends and relatives, before going back into "hiding" in Brazil. So much for this story...

Whilst it is a matter of fact that many Nazis escaped after the war to South America (others made career in Germany, other allied nations and some apparently even in Russia, due to the fact that they had knowledge and information wanted), there is absolutely nothing in the linked article that confirms an ideological involvement of the ranch/farm owners with Nazi ideology. I find it irritating, or even appalling somehow, that after so many years still such a sensationalist attitude prevails and almost any crime against humanity is solely blamed on Nazi ideology. An inhuman attitude has been there before and, obviously, to this day we still have not learned our lesson from history.

[VladTepes]

I'd say as many if not more probably "escaped" to the USA.

Rocket Scientists
Atomic physicists
Specialist in 'obtainingn information from prisoners'
Specialsts in chemical / biological warfare...

You can bet a few of them were of use to the US Government... who with the Cold War were willing to forget, if not forgive.

[bob10]

This link will explain. There was a nazi party element in Brazil from 1930 onwards. Bob [ not complete, but a good read, what is there]


The Nazi Party and the German Foreign Office - Hans-Adolph Jacobsen, Arthur L. Smith Jr. - Google Books (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=lKtufY98NzAC&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=the+nazi+party+in+brazil&source=bl&ots=ud9YKJrNFy&sig=X2LXme_OB7C_aaLwr5X575QDYnY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=C3vfUpPVJZGglQX6sYGICQ&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=the%20nazi%20party%20in%20brazil&f=false)

[wrinklearthur]

Ref; Swastika and Suavastika (http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/swastika.html)


The Swastika and the Suavastika Crosses

Alternative names:
Bent Cross
Buddhist Cross
Crooked Cross
Cross Gurgity
Crux Gammata
Fylfot
Gamma Cross
Gammadion Cross
German Cross
Hakaristi
Hakenkreuz
Hakenkruis
Hooked Cross
Khas
Manji
Nazi Cross
Pērkonkrusts
Rotating Cross
Spinning Cross
Suavastika
Swastika
Tetraskelion
Wheel of the Dharma.
Swastika
Swastika

The Suavastika
Suavastika
This is a religious symbol, also used in a secular context.

Being a cross, one of the religions using this symbol was Christianity in the Middle Ages and referred to as a Gammadion, a group of four Greek letter gamma (Γ), the capitalised third letter of the Greek alphabet. Three in a Christian context is a reminder of the Trinity, and each gamma represents one of the four Evangelists, who radiate from the central Greek Cross, which represents Christ.

Today it is perhaps best recognised as the 1930's emblem of Adolf Hitler's extreme-right Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei, commonly known as Nazi. During the Second World War the Swastika was often derisively called the Bent Cross or Crooked Cross; a slur intended to show that Hitler, an outlaw, was using a Christian cross in a malevolent, non-Christian manner.

The Rotating Cross with light coming off the ends of the arms illuminating the World.

Used by many religions across the globe.

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[Jojo]

This link will explain. There was a nazi party element in Brazil from 1930 onwards. Bob [ not complete, but a good read, what is there]


The Nazi Party and the German Foreign Office - Hans-Adolph Jacobsen, Arthur L. Smith Jr. - Google Books
There were Nazi organisations and/or sympathisers in many countries and regions of the world prior to the war, but this does not prove that the farm owners were associated with either of them. Unless I missed something in the link provided.
Cheers