MY14 D4

[phl]

What do you guys think of the shape out front? Saw one in the flesh today at Alto, and not sure I really like the revised shape of the light, especially the fog lights.

The headlights also looks a tad strange, like an insects eye.

[jonesy63]

Paul - still a fat lady with different "Edna Everidge" glasses on! :D:D

[JayBee75]

I like it.

Out of interest obviously an 8 Speed, however have they continued with the rotary dial?

Interesting to see jag are moving away from it, and some D4 owners I have spoken to now prefer the stick in the middle rather than the dial.

[rb30gtr]

I kind of like them! A bit more modern, rounded, somewhat like an overdressed american larger lady in a wallmart isle, with a touch of style none the less. And I want one.

But the price hits you like an iced up roid muncher in Kings Cross.

[Stotty Monster]

Has anyone heard if we get the revised engine at 188 kw's and slightly better fuel economy as the overseas model? My thoughts is that the front end looks good with the Discovery badging!

[DanW]

Has anyone heard if we get the revised engine at 188 kw's and slightly better fuel economy as the overseas model? My thoughts is that the front end looks good with the Discovery badging!

The Aussie MY13 is already 183kw. Looking at the UK site the engine is still 600nm @2000 rpm but does say 256hp which is about 190kw. Not sure if a little extra power (and no change in torque) would help fuel economy would it?

(I am actually asking, not arguing) :)

[DanW]

…and forgot to add. Yes I quite like the new styling

[RHS58]

Not so fussed about the "signature" daytime running lights. Cheapens things trying to keep up with jeep, Audi etc IMO.
I like "Discovery" across the bonnet front edge.
Otherwise not enough new stuff to justify the price difference between MY13 and MY14
Grab a runout model. I did and am very happy with the choice.

[Stotty Monster]

The Aussie MY13 is already 183kw. Looking at the UK site the engine is still 600nm @2000 rpm but does say 256hp which is about 190kw. Not sure if a little extra power (and no change in torque) would help fuel economy would it?

(I am actually asking, not arguing) :)
DanW,


I found a bit of information that I was relating to showing increased kw's and fuel?


Performance: 3.0 litre SDV6 Automatic
Power 188kW / 255.6PS
Torque 600Nm
Maximum speed kph (mph) 210 (130)
Acceleration 0-100 kph in 9.3 seconds
Acceleration 0-60 mph in 8.8 seconds
Fuel Economy: 3.0 litre SDV6 Automatic
Urban L/100km(mpg) 8.7 (32.5)*
Extra urban L/100km (mpg) 7.6 (37.2)*
Combined L/100km (mpg) 8.0 (35.3)*
Combined CO₂ emissions (g/km) 213*
*EU5
Cheers


Stotty

[phl]

Isn't this model a stop/start version as well?

[SBD4]

Isn't this model a stop/start version as well?

I hope not - imagine that while trying to negotiate a tricky section out in the bush.

"Hold it their mate while I stick a couple of rocks under your wheels so you can make it up that last step."....

Mind your Land Rover would probably be clever enough to disable the stop/start if terrain response was in anything other than the standard setting.

I have never driven a car with stop/start and really don't like the idea of it.

[scarry]

The Jags have an overide switch for it,no doubt LR will do the same.

It is really strange as when you stop everything is so quiet.

I didn't like it at all,but suppose it is something we will all have to eventually get used to.

[jonesy63]

I didn't like it at all,but suppose it is something we will all have to eventually get used to.

Yeah - and get used to no transfer case, CVT, 22"+ wheels, etc. I don't like where the industry is heading. :(

[sheerluck]

I hope not - imagine that while trying to negotiate a tricky section out in the bush.

"Hold it their mate while I stick a couple of rocks under your wheels so you can make it up that last step."....

Mind your Land Rover would probably be clever enough to disable the stop/start if terrain response was in anything other than the standard setting.

I have never driven a car with stop/start and really don't like the idea of it.

I've driven a couple of different vehicles with stop/start, and owned a Golf Bluemotion for 2.5 years, and in all of them there has been a button to disable the feature.

It is very clever, though I'm not sure that i would want to own a ten year old example..... :angel:

In the Golf, it is totally seamless. It will restart the engine faster than i can dip the clutch. In real world use, it is not noticeable, or a hinderance. For my daughter, whilst she was still learning it was great for her - if you stall it, just dip the clutch and it restarts. :D

I would like to think that Land Rover would put extra smarts in their take on such a system, I can't imagine that they would expect you to endure stopping and starting whilst off road.

[Stotty Monster]

Isn't this model a stop/start version as well?
Phl,


Sounds like we will, doesn't sound to bad?


Intelligent Stop Start


The intelligent stop start system is fitted as standard to Discovery 14MY SDV6 diesel variants. The system often referred to as TSS (Twin Solenoid Starter) is one of a suite of features designed to improve fuel economy and reduce CO2 emissions.
The system is automatically engaged when the ignition is turned on. When the vehicle comes to a halt at traffic lights, or heavy traffic for example the system will check if the engine is required, if not, it will turn it off. On release of the brake the engine will instantaneously restart providing the selected drive mode.


In order to complete an ECO stop the vehicle needs to be brought to a stop from a speed of more than 4kph, when enough brake pressure is applied that the vehicle is stationary the engine will stop. Alternatively when the vehicle is stationary, if either Park or Neutral are selected, the engine will also turn itself off.


From a standstill, the engine will instantaneously restart on release of the brake pedal if in either Drive or Sport mode or the reverse gear is selected or the accelerator pedal pressed.


There are certain conditions under which the ECO system will not automatically stop the engine:


ECO Stop/Start system is deactivated.


The outside temperature is near freezing, or too high.


The engine hasn’t reached operating temperature.


The climate control is in defrost mode.


The drivers’ seatbelt is not engaged.


The bonnet is open.


Battery charge is low.


The climate control is working hard and therefore drawing a heavy load from the battery.


The drivers’ door is open

[bbyer]

Out of interest obviously an 8 Speed, however have they continued with the rotary dial?

Interesting to see jag are moving away from it, and some D4 owners I have spoken to now prefer the stick in the middle rather than the dial.I saw a new 2014 HSE LR4 at my local LR dealer last week, white in colour - that was OK, the changes from 2013, well....

The 4 puzzled me as HSE LR4 was on the rear but the window sticker said V6; also there was no stick in the centre console, just a round knob, Evoque style. The terrain response, (I guess that is what it was), appeared to be a horizontal rocker switch about 3" long located where the TR knob was in 2013 The Land Rover name was still on the bonnet however; the OEM wheels were 19" which also surprised me but in a more positive way - something to do with snow tyres I think. 18" is better but ....

When I questioned one of the sales reps, he said the stick had been deleted to provide a purse shelf and the the engine was a 3 litre supercharged petrol unit, same as the new RR Sport. As to a transfer case or not, I guess I was too depressed to investigate further.

My feeling was these sort of changes might be OK on the RR Sport, but on the Discovery, well I guess that is how you kill demand for a body on frame vehicle.

Myself, I think, (hope), the no stick thing is just a fad so I was pleased by the remark in another post suggesting Jag is perhaps going back to the stick; maybe grocery getter will not be the future.

[SBD4]

I couldn't agree more. A bloody purse shelf for crying out loud!

They deleted the V8 option from the MY14 year - don't like that either.

I'm starting to understand where the Defender boys are coming from.

[SBD4]

I've driven a couple of different vehicles with stop/start, and owned a Golf Bluemotion for 2.5 years, and in all of them there has been a button to disable the feature.

It is very clever, though I'm not sure that i would want to own a ten year old example..... :angel:

In the Golf, it is totally seamless. It will restart the engine faster than i can dip the clutch. In real world use, it is not noticeable, or a hinderance. For my daughter, whilst she was still learning it was great for her - if you stall it, just dip the clutch and it restarts. :D

I would like to think that Land Rover would put extra smarts in their take on such a system, I can't imagine that they would expect you to endure stopping and starting whilst off road.

I can see Tim's (aka drivesafe) sales for DBS going up from here. All those great features that help the starter battery maintain a good state of charge.

I think I would be disabling the "feature" if my car had it. Still, best to wait until I actually experience it before judging I guess.

[sheerluck]

I can see Tim's (aka drivesafe) sales for DBS going up from here. All those great features that help the starter battery maintain a good state of charge.

I think I would be disabling the "feature" if my car had it. Still, best to wait until I actually experience it before judging I guess.

I can appreciate your concern, Sean. And I reckon that it would very much be down to the individual's driving habits and circumstances as to whether such a system would cause more issues than the fuel saving would be worth. For me, in a semi rural area, with next to no traffic, and a 40+ km drive each way to work with only a handful of sets of traffic lights in between, I decided that there would be minimal extra strain on the driveline, and leave it active.

In the case of my Golf, the starting and charging systems are in perfect health, i asked the dealer to do a special check during it's service during the week before Christmas. The battery is close to 3 years old (car has a build date of April 2010) and it still starts with only a half turn of the key, or by the time the clutch pedal is halfway down.

I'm still convinced the technology is worthwhile and sufficiently robust on everyday cars, however for a 4wd I would need some convincing.

[CraigH]

My dad's Jag has that start stop engine. He doesn't like the sensation of the engine stopping so switches it off each time.
I guess with ever increasing tightening fuel and emission regulations it's the way it's going to go.

Craig

[nat_89]

After seeing a few videos of it off road i think Land Rover may have made them i really liked it and wanted one but couldn't be bothered to wait so i just bought the current one haha

[phl]

I saw a new 2014 HSE LR4 at my local LR dealer last week, white in colour - that was OK, the changes from 2013, well....

The 4 puzzled me as HSE LR4 was on the rear but the window sticker said V6; also there was no stick in the centre console, just a round knob, Evoque style. The terrain response, (I guess that is what it was), appeared to be a horizontal rocker switch about 3" long located where the TR knob was in 2013 The Land Rover name was still on the bonnet however; the OEM wheels were 19" which also surprised me but in a more positive way - something to do with snow tyres I think. 18" is better but ....

When I questioned one of the sales reps, he said the stick had been deleted to provide a purse shelf and the the engine was a 3 litre supercharged petrol unit, same as the new RR Sport. As to a transfer case or not, I guess I was too depressed to investigate further.

The North American LR4 did not receive the updates the EU got in MY12, and Australia got in MY13, from what I saw when I was in NY and SF Oct last year. Yes, there is still low range, and the dial and rocker is how the current MY13 in Australia is set up.

Personally I like the dial as I don't have to engage park, just the handbrake, and turn off.

I also happen to like the way the paddles work, but can see in a purist car such as some of the Jags, a lever would be the traditional way to go.

[phl]

I'm still convinced the technology is worthwhile and sufficiently robust on everyday cars, however for a 4wd I would need some convincing.

I gather LR has been testing their charging setup for this eventuality for a few years, according to DISCO4. They changed how the D4 charged in MY12, but didn't work, hence MY13 didn't have it, but the setup in MY13 was sufficiently robust for MY14 to finally have the stop/start.

If it helps reduce emissions, I'm all foR it rather than having to put up with a less powerful engine to bring emissions down.

[SBD4]

If it helps reduce emissions, I'm all foR it rather than having to put up with a less powerful engine to bring emissions down.

that is a good point.

[tempestv8]

Does the D4 2014MY Diesel engine have a Diesel Particulate Filter?

[Stotty Monster]

Just seen the new TDV6 Discovery at Osborne Park. I am impressed at the new look, even better then in the photos. Especially the mirror looks more wind resistant which should be a plus for reduced wind noise?

[ozscott]

Just get the dealer to remove Discovery and replace with Land Rover and it will look just fine.

Cheers

[SBD4]

Mods, would it be worth merging this and the following threads?

www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/181378-my14-disco.html
www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/185456-my14-discovery-review.html

[Stotty Monster]

Just get the dealer to remove Discovery and replace with Land Rover and it will look just fine.

Cheers


ozscott,


I think that it doesn't look out of place? Subtle upgrade.


Cheers

[rufusking]

Wonder if they sorted out the high beam in-fill lights to aim lower?

[tempestv8]

Why did Australia lose the 5.0 V8? USA LR4 are still selling with the 5.0 only.

[SBD4]

Wonder if they sorted out the high beam in-fill lights to aim lower?
The highbeams look like LED clusters. If they are then there will be no reflectors to deal with. Will be interesting to find out how they perform. I had noticed the recent FL2 had them also.

[SBD4]

Why did Australia lose the 5.0 V8? USA LR4 are still selling with the 5.0 only.

I think it is to further differentiate Disco and RRS - marketing. Want a V8? Sorry, you'll need to move to the RRS.

[ozscott]

I would like to see how they will fill the bonnet with LR4 in the US...:D

Cheers

PS. i think its a bad move to lose the LR on the bonnet. LR is the essence of what makes the Disco a great vehicle. Land Rover is synonymous with adventure and safari etc - Discovery does not have the same connotation. Anyway the LR gurus must have done their research, so who am I to second guess it.

[bbyer]

I would like to see how they will fill the bonnet with LR4 in the US...:D

Cheers

PS. i think its a bad move to lose the LR on the bonnet. Anyway the LR gurus must have done their research, so who am I to second guess it.I am not so impressed with the idea of getting rid of the Land Rover letters on the bonnet. The attached suggests the idea is Ford's, and not very imaginative on the part of Land Rover. The white Flex is a 2011 model and the other, 2014.

The Flex is a nice vehicle on a Taurus chassis; the interior of the early models were exact duplicates of the 2005 - 2008 D3's/LR3.

My feeling is that the Range Rover letters seem to be going on every bonnet in the dealership over here. If there is a plan, (and I doubt it), I am wondering if the Land Rover lettering is going to first disappear and then later show up on a truly new very expensive luxobarge, Maybach style.

[SBD4]

I am not so impressed with the idea of getting rid of the Land Rover letters on the bonnet. The attached suggests the idea is Ford's, and not very imaginative on the part of Land Rover. The white Flex is a 2011 model and the other, 2014.

The Flex is a nice vehicle on a Taurus chassis; the interior of the early models were exact duplicates of the 2005 - 2008 D3's/LR3.

My feeling is that the Range Rover letters seem to be going on every bonnet in the dealership over here. If there is a plan, (and I doubt it), I am wondering if the Land Rover lettering is going to first disappear and then later show up on a truly new very expensive luxobarge, Maybach style.


I would like to see how they will fill the bonnet with LR4 in the US...:D

Cheers

PS. i think its a bad move to lose the LR on the bonnet. LR is the essence of what makes the Disco a great vehicle. Land Rover is synonymous with adventure and safari etc - Discovery does not have the same connotation. Anyway the LR gurus must have done their research, so who am I to second guess it.

I agree, it's a Land Rover 1st and a Discovery 2nd.

[RHS58]

I agree, it's a Land Rover 1st and a Discovery 2nd.

Hmmm.
So is a RRS a Land Rover first, a Discovery second, and a Range Rover third?
Me thinks there's some rebranding and rebadging in the wind across the LR range?

[phl]

Don't forget there will also be a Jaguar version of probably the Range Rover. Makes economic sense for JLR to do so, with tweaks for each market segment.

Perhaps the MY14 is a test for some styling cues that will appear perhaps in D5 in just over 18 months.

[eddomak]

Hi All,

I finally got around to test driving the MY14 Disco 4 this morning, but only the TDV6.

My quick thoughts (in comparison to my MY10 3.0 SE - ie the higher power and torque engine)...

- That 8 speed ZF gearbox is fantabulous and amazeballs. I had heard so much about it in every car it has been put into, but until I drove something with it I hadn't experienced such an amazing transmission. Super smooth gearchanges, fast response time to the paddles, can't feel any clunks whatsover as speed is perfectly matched to the revs. I tried doing the same speed and shifting between 3 gears up and down and the only thing is the changed revs and engine tone. Same thing with putting it under load and shifting up and down and around corners and roundabouts - super smooth.

- Associated with the 8 speed is that the around-town acceleration is improved has more get up and go than my 3.0, but on the freeway you can feel less torque when cruising at 100km/hr and then gassing it to overtake - it doesn't have as much shove in either "D" or "S" mode. Changing gears is the solution.

- At the time I forgot to check out the stop/start, but then realised that only the upspec SDV6 has it, so can't comment.

- It seems to corner a little flatter than mine with less body roll - perhaps some suspension tuning over the years?

- the driveaway price of the TDV6 optioned up to 7 seats with leather, power mirrors (ie the same as an SDV6 minus electric seats) is around $11K less, which is seriously tempting if it is an around town vehicle with no regular towing. BUT once you've had more power, can you ever turn back? :cool:

Anyway, I guess the MY13 people have known this all year round, but still it was a bit of a revelation for me...

Now, let's wait for the SDV6 demonstrator to arrive...

[sniegy]

Hi All, Hope everyone has been good!

Eventually all Models will have their family name across the bonnet.
IE: RANGEROVER(Premium), DISCOVERY(AllRounder-cant remember the exact name) & DEFENDER(Adventurous). Starting this MY.
This is to fall in line with all models & a vast change/deletion etc of models.
This new 3 tier model line up with all the inclinations will interesting.
Cant say too much, but in the press in the UK they are now releasing more & more info.(Hint go to all the UK publications & have a read) But has been in JLR's pipeline for a long while.

Take care all.:p

[bbyer]

I wonder how this badging concept is going to fit with the badge deselect option?

I guess these are just phases marketing has to go thru - kind of like portholes on the wings.

LR started out with a single real one for the snorkel and marketing decides if one is good, two is better.

Here in North American, for a while, all the manufacturers, (except Buick), decided if portholes looked good on vintage Buick's, then they would look good on new product, including pickups. About the time that fad died off, Buick finally started to put the portholes back on their new production.

In one of my posts above, I show two pictures of the Ford Flex; the early models with a plain bonnet and the newer ones with FLEX spelled out - the future according to Ford styling who I think are still running LR.

I guess for 2015, I should look foreword to GM putting CHEVROLET across the front of the pickup bonnets - true progress and there is lots of space. Current production is almost debadged. A Chev bow tie in the grill, a small SILVERADO name tag on the lower portion of each front door and the bow tie emblem on the tailgate and sometimes Chevrolet in small letters and an LE or LTZ tag.

My guess for North America is that if the LR4 as we know it continues in production, they will remain with LAND ROVER on the bonnet.

[Graeme]

ISTR that LR has already announced that the name LR4 will be dropped in favour of DISCOVERY in all markets.

[bbyer]

I guess memories are short and the North American market is ready for the Discovery name again. As to if the Discovery name is going on the front or rear over here, that will be interesting.

Myself, I like the sound of Discovery; this currently fashionable alphabet soup vehicle naming system that Mercedes so excels at is also I think coming to an end. Re half ton pickups, Ford will stick with F-150, GM remains with Silverado and Sierra; and Chrysler, well Sergio is replacing the Dodge name with RAM and I presume that will eventually display as IVECO on the bonnet.

The two links below suggest how convoluted vehicle sourcing is getting. The first link is an indication of what can happen when a Defender gets lost in Spain and then gets confused between Italy and France.

The second link is what happens when a Dodge drives the Via Veneto.

Servir & Défendre • Afficher le sujet - Iveco Massif : un sérieux concurrent pour le Defender ! (http://servir-et-defendre.com/viewtopic.php?f=502&t=2363)

Fiat Vans to be Ram vans: Ducato, Doblo, Iveco Daily (http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/fiat/vans.html)

Come to think of it, TATA is best known for its three wheelers - no, that could not be the next small RR.

[rufusking]

The highbeams look like LED clusters. If they are then there will be no reflectors to deal with. Will be interesting to find out how they perform. I had noticed the recent FL2 had them also.

Just had a look at a MY14 in the flesh. The high beams aren't! The lense cover has the appearance of a LED cluster but behind it is a plain old incandescent globe. What the .... ?

[SBD4]

Just had a look at a MY14 in the flesh. The high beams aren't! The lense cover has the appearance of a LED cluster but behind it is a plain old incandescent globe. What the .... ?

"What the...?" indeed! What is that all about? I wonder what the optical qualities are like.

[sniegy]

Its the indicator......God i was disappointed, but love the look. Will have to get used to the DISCOVERY badge tho':o

[SBD4]

might just have to have a look at one when the next service is due - that'll sort out all the answers...

[bbyer]

Just had a look at a MY14 in the flesh. The high beams aren't! The lens cover has the appearance of a LED cluster but behind it is a plain old incandescent globe. What the .... ?

How does the Flash to Pass feature work? It must still be there but ...

My feeling was the two inner halogen high beams were there in previous years existed more to facilitate the Flash to Pass feature than to provide additional lighting at night - which they did very well to my mind.

In countries where the HID projectors are not on all the time per Daytime Running Light mode, there is a slight warm up time that tends to preclude their use as Flashers. If always on as here in Canada as DRL, then perhaps the internal shutter mechanism could be deemed a solution but the most effective was as LR did do, the two inner high beams.

I am starting to worry as to what the new LR4 here in North America will feature - apparently no V8, only the petrol V6; no shift lever, no transfer case - it will be a boxy RR Sport at best.

As there do not yet seem to be any 2014 LR4's in stock, I am going to look at the headlights on the new RR Sports next time I am at the dealer - this is getting frightening.

Maybe the HID's are not there at all - the projectors may just have halogen bulbs behind, (which is very common with other vehicles), and hence there is no warm up time and no need for the secondary halogens. LR has seemed headlight challenged with the 4's - maybe it continues.

[chuck]

There was some talk of a supercharged V8 Discovery 4 in 2014.

[jonesy63]

The 3L supercharged V6 sounds really nice - in the F-type Jaguar. I wonder how much the exhaust noise will be "turned down" in the D4 version?

[Mungus]

I'm a little confused! The details of the new MY14D4 are now up on LRA website. Looking at the overview it states the SDV6 as 183kW, yet when you go to 'build' it states 188kW? Other than the badging and headlights, I can't see any other difference to the MY13. I thought that a HSE would come standard with the 'blind spot', car park 'reversing radar' and two front cameras; but it seems everything is an option (although a few additional as above) and five cameras as before not two (+rear). Drive away price has not changed either? Been looking (dreaming) for a few years now and was really hoping for a few more standard features on the MY14. I like the look of the MY13 headlights better and of nothing else has changed it looks like a low mileage MY13 is hopefully on the cars later this year.

[bbyer]

Over here, for 2014, and maybe also 2013, but I have not paid any attention, there is now a 2014 LR4 HSE LUX and to me, the spec reads like my 2005 LR3 HSE.

Maybe there is now a LUX in Australia as well.

As to engines, there is talk of a a supercharged petrol V6 but of that, I am vague as it seems to me to be going backwards. The link below suggests the 5.0 Litre normally aspirated petrol V8 is still the standard engine with the six speed tranny.

The suggested retail price of $71,000 is just a computer generated number for your amusement. On the showroom floor here in Western Canada the price you pay exceeds 90 thousand Canadian dollars.

Maybe TATA is becoming too involved - their NANO has not quite lived up to expectations so maybe the team has moved on to something bigger and better.... First they blow the new Defender so badly they want to get rid of it, now it is the Discovery they seem to be targeting.

LR4 Build & Price 4x4 SUV | Custom SUV | Land Rover Canada (http://www.landrover.com/ca/en/lr/lr4/build/)

[Jimlr]

Oz doesn't get the hse lux here.

Referring back to an earlier question in the thread, no diesel particulate filter nor intelligent stop/start for MY14 oz spec either - that's why LRA site still shows 230g emissions not 213g as in uk MY14.

Corris MY14 on the way...:)

[JamesH]

Referring back to an earlier question in the thread, no diesel particulate filter nor intelligent stop/start for MY14 oz spec either - that's why LRA site still shows 230g emissions not 213g as in uk MY14.


Well that's two pieces of good news, I'd pay extra to get.

[baldivistribe]

I hope the possum spotting headlights have been improved.

[nat_89]

I'm a little confused! The details of the new MY14D4 are now up on LRA website. Looking at the overview it states the SDV6 as 183kW, yet when you go to 'build' it states 188kW? Other than the badging and headlights, I can't see any other difference to the MY13. I thought that a HSE would come standard with the 'blind spot', car park 'reversing radar' and two front cameras; but it seems everything is an option (although a few additional as above) and five cameras as before not two (+rear). Drive away price has not changed either? Been looking (dreaming) for a few years now and was really hoping for a few more standard features on the MY14. I like the look of the MY13 headlights better and of nothing else has changed it looks like a low mileage MY13 is hopefully on the cars later this year.

Yeah its a damn shame that not much changed thats why i didn't bother waiting for the MY14 and just got a MY13 with a few options!! But i was hoping with the HSE they would load a few more in the car i hate having such a big options list its a pain, especially if you hate waiting for cars and want one now haha

[oldsalt]

Well that's two pieces of good news, I'd pay extra to get.

Couldn't agree more :)

[nat_89]

Ohh now there is a limited edition XXV model coming in August can't wait to see the details on it!!

[bbyer]

Maybe not so with Land Rover as they have a history of Limited Editions with the Range Rover and Defender, but whenever American manufacturers start to come out with Limited Editions of a vehicle, that seems to be code word for shutting the production line down in the near future.

As such, I tend to be apprehensive - those marketing guys again.

[Jimlr]

Yes exactly, with an all new platform due on a couple of years (my16/17?) they have to keep the interest up somehow!