Another 19" tyre question

[wbowner]

Hi,
Sorry if this is is similar to what has been asked many times before.

I am picking up my new D4 in a few weeks and one of the considerations is to have the tyres changed to something more suitable before I pick the car up or just stay with the standard ones.

I have been considering going to the Cooper LTZ as I do want an all terrain tyre as I tow a van and want to go along various tracks over time.

I am concerned the original tyres would be an issue.

Any way while looking around I came across these below
255-55-19 HANKOOK DYNAPRO ATM RF10 ALL TERRAIN TYRE 255/55R19

I am not sure if they are suitable or not and would be interested if any body has had experience with them.

At this point in time, I can not go GOE 18" rims as to do so would cost a lot ($2500+ for 5 rims and another $1500+ for 5 tyres).

What have other people done? Have you stuck with the originals to they wear out or do as I have suggested above.

Thanks for any help,
Rich

[willem]

After many Rangies and now a D3, I reckon that for all but more extreme off road driving the standard tyres that come with the car are entirely adequate. That includes moderate bush tracks and moderate beach work.


Invest the money in a compressor and pay careful attention to appropriate tyre pressures for the conditions, make good use of the terrain response, and you will go just about anywhere except the really difficult terrain.


One of the few places I'd like higher profile tyres is in very rocky conditions, to protect the rims.


Willem

[disco4now]

Hi Rich,
I am into my 4th year on this dilemma now. Still on the 19" and not had a puncture yet but think about the 18" every time someone tells a story about destroying a couple of 19" tyres.

I kept the original goodyears for about 22,000 , still had much left on them when I put the General Grabbers on for a trip to cape york towing the van, also a 10 day high country trip.

I put the Cooper LTZ on for a trip around oz last year, including the Savannah Way and Gibb River.

So for touring, towing the van I have gotten away with 19". With van you are probably not going that fast on rough stuff which helps, when off roading like victorian high country I don't drop the pressure too much.

The Goodyears are ok on gravel but people have reported punctures once they get to about half worn.

I carry a second spare when touring as 19" are probably bit hard to get some places.

I think Elsey on here is trying the Hancocks in 19".

Regards,
Gerry

[wbowner]

Info in the tyres can be found at

Welcome to Hankook Tyre Australia Website (http://www.hankooktyre.com.au/Psearch/Search.aspx?pageNum=1&subNum=2)

Rich

[discohappy]

We have had the Coopers LTZ and destroyed 3 in the side wall and had 4 punctures. We are now on the General Grubbers and destroyed 2 in the side wall in the High Country last week. Our vehicle is a Disco 4 HSE 3.0 litre and have 19" tyres.

[RoverLander]

I have stuck with the 19s. I dont do any rough rock driving but have done about 20,000 ks of dirt with trips to Inamminka, flinders ranges etc. first trip was with standard wrangler... Not one puncture. Second trip on Pirille ATR, no punctures, third trip still on Pirilli one side wall puncture at Arcarolla.

I always keep pressures high, around 42. My logic is it keeps the side walls upright so reduces the chance of side wall damage.

I have recently fitted the Hankooks DynaPro. Reason was that they have a much thicker sidewall and i had some concern with the Pirillis aquaplaning. So far the Hankooks have only done road work and are good. No extra noise and handle well. Too early to say I would recommend them. Bonus is they are $100 cheaper than the Pirilli per tyre. I would have purchased them at the same price.

Peter

[wbowner]

After many Rangies and now a D3, I reckon that for all but more extreme off road driving the standard tyres that come with the car are entirely adequate. That includes moderate bush tracks and moderate beach work.


Invest the money in a compressor and pay careful attention to appropriate tyre pressures for the conditions, make good use of the terrain response, and you will go just about anywhere except the really difficult terrain.


One of the few places I'd like higher profile tyres is in very rocky conditions, to protect the rims.


Willem
Willem
Thanks to you and all others.

just wandering about how much air you can typically let out on these standard tyres.

I will be towing a van and do go on some dirt roads and hope to do a lot more.

Rich

[wbowner]

I have stuck with the 19s. I dont do any rough rock driving but have done about 20,000 ks of dirt with trips to Inamminka, flinders ranges etc. first trip was with standard wrangler... Not one puncture. Second trip on Pirille ATR, no punctures, third trip still on Pirilli one side wall puncture at Arcarolla.

I always keep pressures high, around 42. My logic is it keeps the side walls upright so reduces the chance of side wall damage.

I have recently fitted the Hankooks DynaPro. Reason was that they have a much thicker sidewall and i had some concern with the Pirillis aquaplaning. So far the Hankooks have only done road work and are good. No extra noise and handle well. Too early to say I would recommend them. Bonus is they are $100 cheaper than the Pirilli per tyre. I would have purchased them at the same price.

Peter
I will be interested to see how they are going.

Did you tow anything on the standard tyres during these trips?

Thanks for the info.

Richard

[wbowner]

After hunting around the Hankooks seem to be a good alternative.

I have had trouble with tyres in my last two cars.
At the time I bought my last car, a Pajero, most of the models came with 18" rims. Mine had 17" as I bought the lower spec version. At that time it was hard to source a A/T tyre for a 18" rim and there were no LT constructions for the 17". .

Now they are fairly common and it seems like a lot of people are opting for 18" rims instead of these new 19" ones. May be in the future 19" may be a bit more common and they will produce some better tyres.

Till then I guess we suffer a bit :)

Richard

[RoverLander]

I will be interested to see how they are going.

Did you tow anything on the standard tyres during these trips?

Thanks for the info.

Richard

No towing on these trips but we have just purchased a 21 foot van and are about to start doing the lap for the next 9 months. I'm hoping that the tyres will be good for towing. The stronger side walls should help.

Peter

[dunmyway]

Have had them on for 6 months. Great!

[discohappy]

Have you done go off road with these tyres, as we do some 4wding

[dunmyway]

Have you done go off road with these tyres, as we do some 4wding
Yeah mate! Have used them in the sand on Teewah beach and on a freshly constructed road on a mates banana farm in very steep country. Had GG before but they were too soft on the sidewalls and rolled on the corners, Bad on roundabouts and wore out quickly

[DI5CO]

I'm thinking a 200 series might be easier with all these tyre questions going around the forum lol
It's all too hard :o(

[sheerluck]

I'm thinking a 200 series might be easier with all these tyre questions going around the forum lol
It's all too hard :o(

Yeah, true, because Toyotas don't need tyres do they.

[DI5CO]

Not 19's!!

[sheerluck]

Not 19's!!

If 19" wheels bothers you, you can buy a set of the GOE Compomotive 18" wheels. Problem solved.

[DI5CO]

And that's the problem, having to shell out thousands on rims and getting jack back on the factory rims😪
And that's on top of bullbars, and accessories etc

[Gribbsmy13]

Have to agree about the frustration of only having one option for 18" wheels that will fit, surely we can convince another manufacturer to make something similar at a cheaper price, preferable in black powder coat, and an extra 1/2 inch wider..... Yes I'm dreaming, but with the high volumes they sell in the US, surely American racing wheels or the like could come up with something

[jon3950]

Have to agree about the frustration of only having one option for 18" wheels that will fit, surely we can convince another manufacturer to make something similar at a cheaper price, preferable in black powder coat, and an extra 1/2 inch wider..... Yes I'm dreaming, but with the high volumes they sell in the US, surely American racing wheels or the like could come up with something

There may only be one option, but its a bloody good one.

I really like Compomotives. They may not be the cheapest wheels around, but they are worth every cent. These are not some fancy-pants, show pony street wheel designed to make you car look like its doing 100mph when your cruising Hickson Rd on Saturday night. They are proper, motorsport grade wheels. These particular ones were designed for rally-raid competition to sit under things like Bowler Wildcats. They don't break.

Once you've used them in anger you will understand. I don't have them on my Disco (yet), but I honestly believe they are one of the best value for money wheels on the market.

Cheers,
Jon

[Gribbsmy13]

I have no doubt they are, but I bought my disco to look good and go far, surely there is a nicer looking option? No offence, but an 18" version of the 20" black pack wheels would be perfect 19" whilst ok most of the time, just struggle on the pinch points

[gghaggis]

:mad:
If you think it is that easy to get 18" rims to fit AND are legal in Australia, you need to look back over my posts starting from 4-odd years ago (and the rules for rims in the States are very different to here). There is a reason LR don't offer 18" versions of their style rims - you can't do it and remain with a legal offset and load rating.

We _are_ toying with a fancier version (PD1882), but it won't be cheaper. And if the Aussie dollar falls much further, the PD1881's will probably go up too.

Cheers,

Gordon

[jon3950]

We _are_ toying with a fancier version (PD1882), but it won't be cheaper. And if the Aussie dollar falls much further, the PD1881's will probably go up too.

Cheers,

Gordon

Look forward to seeing them.

Cheers,
Jon

[jon3950]

I have no doubt they are, but I bought my disco to look good and go far, surely there is a nicer looking option? No offence, but an 18" version of the 20" black pack wheels would be perfect 19" whilst ok most of the time, just struggle on the pinch points

Fair enough - please don't think I was having a go at you. Just trying to explain why the Compo's are such a good alternative. Personally I think they look good, a simple, classic design.

Cheers,
Jon

[Graeme]

Personally I think they look good, a simple, classic design.
X2 and mine would be silver if I had them.

[chuck]

Any chance of a sneak peak at the new design?

Cheers

[gghaggis]

Any chance of a sneak peak at the new design?

Cheers

I'll ask - I had a prototype over here, but it still needs some work ....

Cheers,

Gordon

[NTB]

I just like to add my support to the GOE's 18" Rims.

It would had been difficult to have these modified and certified for legal use in Australia. They are a good option and when comparing price the approx. $570 per Rim delivered to the nearest TNT depot compared to some other options (which may or may not fit) are $500 per Rim plus delivery but know the GOE Rim will fit and be legal to me it is good value.

Everyone has their own budget and everyones budget and needs will be different. I looked at purchasing a set of the GOE Rims earlier this year. I have chosen at this stage not to purchase a set as the driving I am currently doing, I found it hard to justify the cost at this present time.

NTB

[Gribbsmy13]

I'm not having a go at the 18" from Gordon either. They Judy aren't quite my taste, neither are the standard rims though, and I'm not complaining about how they look. I'm just of the mindset that if there is a possibility of finding one I really like, it makes justifying the $3400 + change over a little easier. I would be very interested in prototype photos too. I'm up to 17000 Ks on original tyres, so have about 6-8 months to make a decision, toying with going to 20" rims, as I get more sidewall height in them than the available 19" rims, and 20" rims are heaps cheaper. I don't do a great deal of serious off roading so to speak, mainly beach and gravel roads , but traction in wet has already been an issue , particularly when pulling the camper trailer.

I truly am sorry if anyone took offence, it wasn't intended, as I applaud companies like goe who go the extra mile to source these difficult items.

[Plane Fixer]

The debate with regards sidewall height/profile comes back to the point of what you use the D3/4 for.
I have 255/55/19 Cooper Zeons and have been on some very rough tracks such as Chambers Pillar and the Bungles and did not have a problem.
I simply drove knowing I did not have a huge amount of rubber between the road and rim, simply by keeping my speed down and being extra vigilant regarding possible potholes. Previously on a Patrol I had 265/75/16 and the aforementioned factors did not come into play in such a big way.
These days I chose slightly less gnarly tracks but still have fun with less danger of damaging the car and still use the 19" as I cannot justify the additional cost of the excellent 18'' wheels sold by Gordon.