Loyal or Silly ?

[Ean Austral]

G'day All,

Our youngest daughter( who is currently in Burma working) is a 2nd yr avionics apprentice, the company she is currently working for is going thru financial troubles and plenty of staff have bailed out.
One of the big bosses told her that if she was worried he could arrange a interview with a bigger company who would take her on.

After talking with us she decided to go and have a chat to the bigger company which duely offered her a job. They told her to think it over and let them know by the middle of the next week.

After much talking with us and a few days thinking about it she has decided to stay loyal to the company she works for.

I admire her for her loyalty and stand by her decision, but hope it works and in 12 months she doesnt regret it. Time will tell I guess.

Not knowing nothing about that field I would have thought a bigger company would be a better option.

Cheers Ean

[jonesfam]

If she was offered 1 job she must interview well, that would help if it all goes pear shaped.
Jonesfam

[weeds]

good one her I say........either way would have worked out well as it appears she has a good relationship with her current employer.

I assume she will thank the company that offered her a new job and offer an explanation.......good chance they would still take her on if things didn't pan out

[steveG]

I also admire her loyalty, but not sure I would have made the same decision.
She obviously has a good relationship with the boss that put her forward to the larger company. IMO he's likely to have a better understanding of the financial troubles, and the fact that he put her up to go to another company suggests to me that he wants to look after her.
If the present company was just going through a bad patch I'd think he would be trying to retain her...

Just my 2C.

Steve

[Judo]

I've worked at a company that went under in the GFC. It was obviously happening and those who bailed early were the smart ones IMO. Those who stayed (for various reasons) lost out in many ways including financially. From my own personal experience, I would say silly decision. You can be sure that in this situation the company will put itself first. Your daughter should do the same.

I hope it all works out for her though. :)

[Davo]

In my experience, working is just a mild version of war. While ethics must always be observed you should never cross the line and put yourself in a vulnerable spot. In my last job, I lost about $6,500 due to employer stupidity despite my excellent work record. Nobody cares if you go the extra mile. Tell your daughter that waiting on the Titanic while the lifeboats were lowered just meant you got really wet.

[slug_burner]

I hope you meant that she will not regret it.

Difficult to give an opinion on her decision. Is it better to work for a bigger company? Not always. Working for big companies can result in a very limited range of work as they try to inject efficiencies through specialisation and much work ends up as a process whereof are just a cog. In a smaller company, you are more likely to get a broader range of work as they can't afford to carry a specialist for every area of the field they are servicing. Smaller companies Are more likely to treat you as an individual instead of just one of the many.

Financial security is probably not a major concern for a younger person with a good family support network. Therefore building a good range of experience may well set her up for the future at the expense of taking the financial risk.

[Hay Ewe]

I think I know what she is doing and for who
To me, getting that experience is valuable and will stand in good stead for the future in my opinion.

Having to be out in the field, touring, doing your job as well as the paperwork and organization that goes with a touring position like she is doing will stand in good stead.

If the position and work is working for her, its not silly

Hay Ewe

[101RRS]

I cannot comment on whether the decision is right or wrong but loyalty to employers is rarely reciprocated.

[bob10]

I admire her for her loyalty and stand by her decision, but hope it works and in 12 months she regrets it. Time will tell I guess.



Cheers Ean


Just stand by your daughter, whatever decision she makes. She has to make her own mistakes, as hard as that is for a parent. It's how they grow, ;) Bob

[George130]

I do know a merchant banker who held out when the company he worked for was going under. 3 of them stayed while everyone else bailed. The three eventually got paid out 6 figure sums to leave.
Doubt it would so pleasant in this case if they fold. Financial trouble may not be the end so loyalty might be rewarded later if they recover.

[Ean Austral]

good one her I say........either way would have worked out well as it appears she has a good relationship with her current employer.

I assume she will thank the company that offered her a new job and offer an explanation.......good chance they would still take her on if things didn't pan out


Yep She certainly did , and it was a very well written reply, if it was sent to me I would certainly have understood and admired her for her approach.


We as parents have and did made it quite clear that she had our full support which ever way she went, and I can only hope for all the employees that the company sorts itself out.


Personally I thought she would go to the bigger airline, but her reasons for staying I fully support and understand.


If the company does fold, our daughter is one of the most motivated and determined people I know, she wont be out of work long even if she has to travel interstate she will.


Cheers Ean

[Blknight.aus]

I would strongly suggest that she politely decline stating her reason as being employer loyalty. (assuming she stays on to tough it out)

If the bigger companies HR mogouls are worth a pinch its an automatic value ad for them because they know that so long as you are (she is) treated remotely well you(she) will stay on and they will leach maximum value from any training they invest in you(her).

I'm still getting the occasional head hunt message from a couple of companies from when I was looking at getting out and posted my resume around (mostly of the "we havent forgotten about you and we would openly consider your application for employment if there were any suitable positions available at the time you applied. We respect your dedication to your current employer and value this ourselves" variety)

she may also find that if the company struggles on well enough she may just find herself getting into a "permanantly employable" condition because of the exposure she'll get to all the "contributing" fields whose work she will also have to start to dabble in to get her core job done.

Believe it or not, the "can do" attitude is making a come back as a desirable trait especially if

[bushrover]

Integrity from a Business owner and integrity from an employee............rare in this day and age where it's usually all about employer greed and what's in it for me from employees. I was involved in a situation like this where my employer had to mortgage his house to pay wages. Four years later he sold to a multi-national with loyal employees getting bonuses ranging from $20000.00 to a new 200 Series.

She can be proud and hold her head high whatever the outcome.

Rick

[Kev the Fridgy]

I went through a similar experience in the mid nineties, I declined the offer to stay with the company I was with mainly based on the clientele base, I would rather work on trawlers than the normal run of the mill commercial refrigeration (I'm different ok, get used to it).... although it did not work out in my favour in the short to medium term, the personal pride and my industry reputation has stood me well over the years as I have always based decisions on integrity and loyalty not chasing the dollar.


I always believe that a persons reputation based on integrity and loyalty will be hold them in good stead and the right work will come there way.

[DT-P38]

Just stand by your daughter, whatever decision she makes. She has to make her own mistakes, as hard as that is for a parent. It's how they grow, ;) Bob

Don't think I have ever agreed with bob10... before now.

I will add that I reckon the bigger the business the less human it actually is. Even though they tend to pay more people to portray how honest and caring they are it's generally just lies and the decision makers become more detached from the real humanity of their business - the coal face employee's.

If she is a listener... keep talking to her about it all and maybe even show her the combined wisdom put up by a bunch of crazy landy owners!

And a late thought... you may just have come to the right place. If landy owners don't know about loyalty, who does?

[justinc]

Ean she has done the right thing as a young person with a career/ lots of time ahead of her. however if she was in her 40's etc i would most likely suggest she take the offer.

loyalty is very important but it has to be a 2 way street.

sounds like her current employer has been pretty upfront, hard to find nowadays.

best wishes to her for whatever happens, it may well work out for the best and in any case it is all a good life experience:)

jc

[GregTD5]

Ean, You can't be guaranteed of stability, due to an Employers size unfortunately.
For the last few years, I have worked for one of the worlds largest (onshore) Helicopter operators. Due to a loss of contracts, that no one saw happening, all Pilots and Engineers were immediately redundant.
Hopefully, things will turn around for the company she is doing her Apprenticeship with, if not, I'm sure with her attitude, some one will take her on.

Greg

[bob10]

[QUOTE=DT-P38;2078075]Don't think I have ever agreed with bob10... before now.
Thanks, I agree to disagree with you, and I do, but our children are our future . Thank you Ean, for raising a child with a mind of her own. She will do well [ just ignore DT. he still thinks Menzies is in charge ]
;) Bob