General Chat - Politcal?

[strangy]

Surely I m not the only one to be growing tired of the distinct political slant now a prominent part of the General Chat forum?
Regularly new threads of the same tune with a different drum.

If this is considered a "chat around the campfire"
I would move camps.
If that wasn't possible I'd throw myself in the fire to get away from the constant whining of some regular posters.
I originally typed contributors, but determined there has been no real contribution to a primarily Land Rover forum.

The "Soapbox" was closed because of people who rarely, if at all ,contributed to Land Rover related topics. Then the "Cantina" for the same reason.
Those involved just moved to General Chat and have started pushing the same tripe there too

There's enough sites, forums, programmes and magazines to keep these folk happy.

I would be happy if these folk went( they most likely are) there and let AULRO be primarily about & associated with Land Rovers.

Have a nice weekend.

[bee utey]

What I can't see is why people feel forced to read threads that they don't want to read, then have a whinge about seeing them at all? Isn't it as easy as not clicking on any thread title that doesn't interest them? Until Inc kills all general discussion threads with a hint of drama there will be threads you can ignore, or whinge about, at your leisure.:)

[Roverlord off road spares]

I thought political talk was a no no, didn't INC put a stop to it a while back?
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/165699-aaaaaa-new-users-start-here-conditions-access-etc.html
:rulez: Numbers 5a and 5 b politics and religion

[scarry]

I am all for healthy discussion....


My thoughts are if you don't want to look at a thread,then don't.....

Difficult to ban completely,as the threads evolve different ways.

And Inc does have a bit of input into some of them as well;)

[incisor]

I am all for healthy discussion....


My thoughts are if you don't want to look at a thread,then don't.....

Difficult to ban completely,as the threads evolve different ways.

And Inc does have a bit of input into some of them as well;)

amen ;)

and i'll probably be damned by the lefties and the rightists for saying that...

[Chucaro]

I thought political talk was a no no, didn't INC put a stop to it a while back?
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/165699-aaaaaa-new-users-start-here-conditions-access-etc.html
:rulez: Numbers 5a and 5 b politics and religion

if you are going to leave politics out of debates or threads then perhaps we should not have the general chat at all.
Like or not our life is dictated by political issues, if I remember correct you started a thread related to Mc Donald's in your area, well that like it or not it is a political issue. I think that you have a legitimate right to be concerned with that issue and share it with your friends. I live in Hobart but signed a petition to support your wishes in that case.
The issue of Hinch is another political issue and we can go on and on including traffic laws, loose dogs that upset other people life,etc,etc
I cannot see anything wrong to talk about current affairs who affect our day to day life as long as we keep out our political party preferences and protecting our ideas like a person with counter-phobia protection for his/her ideals.
I started few of these threads, I believe that the immense majority of as are well educated and able to handle and informative debate about adult issues.
Then again, for those that do not like these kind of debates, here in http://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/smilies/wink.gifAULRO we have the freedom of choice and members can refrain to read or participate in these threads. ;)

[Chucaro]

amen ;)

and i'll probably be damned by the lefties and the rightists for saying that...

I am a fence seater :angel:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[87County]

Thanks strangy

[nugge t]

This is a very valid point and one which I have been trying to point out in a couple of threads.

It is very easy to blame the people who respond in a thread butt he real issue in my opinion is the intent of the people who start them. As I have been saying, it is the same people starting the same types of threads over and over.

How the threads end is of no surprise, I wouldn't think, to anyone. Heartburn for the mods.

So why start them unless someone is looking to push a particular agenda.

If these threads were not started, this would not be a discussion. What typically happens is that one of a few start another thread which is a variation of an already debated ad nausea thread. They put out a particular view and surprise, surprise, someone puts up and alternate view. It is all down hill from there.

There have been several issues which I could have started what would inevitably have been a controversial thread. Union corruption would have been a walk up start given recent events. I chose not to.

These other people chose to start these endless threads. WHY? In my opinion, you have to question their motives more than the motives of those of respond as they are the deliberate instigators and continually protected by the same followers.

[sheerluck]

I am a fence seater :angel:

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002281587/5315585453_cartoon_bucket_on_head_sitting_on_the_f ence_undecided_answer_3_xlarge.gif

Chucaro, I don't think you have sat on a fence in your entire life. :Rolling:

[ugu80]

What I can't see is why people feel forced to read threads that they don't want to read, then have a whinge about seeing them at all? Isn't it as easy as not clicking on any thread title that doesn't interest them? Until Inc kills all general discussion threads with a hint of drama there will be threads you can ignore, or whinge about, at your leisure.:)

The problem being that half the Chat threads are started by you lot pushing your political belief system as being the cure for the worlds ills (ignoring a thing called democracy) and forcing your agenda down everyone's throat. Before knowing what the thread is, one has to first read it and then it's too late to ignore it. The danger to survival of the forum is that having hijacked Chat the rest will have a 'oh no, not that same old excreta' mindset and instead of ignoring the thread will ignore the entire forum. Over concentration on politics will kill Chat.

[101RRS]

Bring the soapbox back and have these sort of things there - and as before exclude it from the new threads search so if you want to go there for a bit of a barney you have to want to deliberately go there - after all that is why the posters put the stuff up to get a bity of a bite from someone else or to push their barrows. Maybe even have a special log in process with maybe access only to those who pay a special additional subscription - would help finance the site a bit more.

These type of political/social threads are always started by a handful of people and rarely post elsewhere in the forum - and of course there are a whole lot of others who then jump on the bandwagon and off we go :o.

People are right that you don't have to look at it but when nearly a third of new posts when I search new posts are these sort of things on a 4wd site I wonder.

Also there does seem to be a bit of a policy shift in admin/moderation policy where these political related threads are not supposed to be permitted but seem to now, with some mods etc actively participating. Now thats fine if there is a change but then publish the changes.

Now I am guilty of the above a bit myself but I come here for the 4wd stuff bit often get caught up in the other stuff - guilty - but personally I would prefer to discuss 4wd stuff.

If I want to discuss asylum seekers, the state of the nation, Hinch etc there are plenty of other sites where these issues can be discussed.

Admin - please take note of the issues that have been raised in this thread because clearly some people would prefer to have the main body of the forum and General Chat back to what it was and not what it is now.

Thanks for your indulgence.

Garry

[bee utey]

and forcing your agenda down everyone's throat....

Deary me, where's that "roffle" icon when I need it?

[alittlebitconcerned]

Here's how you deal with this problem

If you begin to read a thread and realize too late that it is on a topic you don't like... stop reading immediately!

Now, if you accidentally start reading yet another thread and the same thing happens... stop reading immediately again! You can once more ignore it and move on.

I absolutely guarantee that if you continue applying my method, before you know it you wont have read any threads you don't want to. This approach works really well with the whole internet. Do it, it is very liberating.

[Ferret]

This thread reads like those threads people are complaining about. That's my opinion. :p

[sheerluck]

This thread reads like those threads people are complaining about. That's my opinion. :p

:D

It's much the same as people who complain about there being too much sex or violence on TV. Well, there can be as much or as little as you like, the "off" button is the most powerful censor around.

[vnx205]

There is one thing that is worse than the threads that have political overtones.

That is the threads in which people complain about the way other people use the forum. :D

If you don't like the content of a thread, don't read it.

If you think that someone has started a thread to push the same old political barrow, then don't respond and the thread will quite quickly disappear down the list, never to be seen again.

Expecting the mods to enforce a policy so that everyone will be happy is unrealistic. It might be easy for them to make you happy by deleting a particular post, but it is almost certain that the deletion will make someone else unhappy.

Enforcing rules in a black and white world may be easy, but in the real world where most things are a shade of grey it is a thankless task. Of course there are some blatantly political or provocative threads, but they are greatly outnumbered by the posts that are borderline. Whatever decision the mods make, there will be someone upset.

Does it really matter that some people want to spend their time around the campfire presenting the same, predictable views? You don't have to listen in on their discussion. There are plenty of other discussions going on around the same campfire.

[ugu80]

:D

It's much the same as people who complain about there being too much sex or violence on TV. Well, there can be as much or as little as you like, the "off" button is the most powerful censor around.

The point being (not being your agenda, you missed it) that there are plenty of other places where you can all feel warm and fuzzy together. You are right that people will push the off button, that button being the entire Chat forum and for many, perhaps, the AULRO website which the majority do not wish to be politicised. A good alternative, I agree, would be a well policed Soapbox area. In the meantime, here is a link to save you looking for another place to post.
Socialist Alliance | For the millions, not billionaires (http://www.socialist-alliance.org/)

[sheerluck]

The point being (not being your agenda, you missed it) that there are plenty of other places where you can all feel warm and fuzzy together. You are right that people will push the off button, that button being the entire Chat forum and for many, perhaps, the AULRO website which the majority do not wish to be politicised. A good alternative, I agree, would be a well policed Soapbox area. In the meantime, here is a link to save you looking for another place to post.
Socialist Alliance | For the millions, not billionaires (http://www.socialist-alliance.org/)

As far as I am concerned, politics is something that happens to other people. I have no love whatsoever of politics, but if other people want to get all hot under the collar about their particular affiliation, and talk about it, I couldn't care less.

For me, the distinction of what I do care about is as simple as a capital G. Government versus government. The act of creating and applying laws, versus the individuals themselves.

The laws and their application very much apply to me, the individuals of whichever side or colour of tie, and how they stab each other in the back whilst scrambling as far up the ladder of politics as they can, most definitely do not.

[ugu80]

:soapbox:Another problem with saying 'Just hit the off button' is there are those long and active on this site (nugget) who cannot bring themselves to just ignore these subject posts and abandon the argument to create a one sided mutual appreciation thread.

[nugge t]

The point being (not being your agenda, you missed it) that there are plenty of other places where you can all feel warm and fuzzy together. You are right that people will push the off button, that button being the entire Chat forum and for many, perhaps, the AULRO website which the majority do not wish to be politicised. A good alternative, I agree, would be a well policed Soapbox area. In the meantime, here is a link to save you looking for another place to post.
Socialist Alliance | For the millions, not billionaires (http://www.socialist-alliance.org/)


I agree although I think there should be a seperate section for those who want to talk about a leftist agenda. That way you dont have to try to avoid threads, you can avoid the sction. I for one would be happy to avoid it rather than have it rammed down my throat in General Chat.

I might just point out that it is called General Chat, not Leftie Love In Corner.

The people starting the threads seem to have plenty to discuss going by the number of threads started so they should be able to keep a seperate section going without any trouble.

That way if someone goes there that doesn't agree with the content, they can not complain about the content.

[sheerluck]

......Expecting the mods to enforce a policy so that everyone will be happy is unrealistic. It might be easy for them to make you happy by deleting a particular post, but it is almost certain that the deletion will make someone else unhappy.

Enforcing rules in a black and white world may be easy, but in the real world where most things are a shade of grey it is a thankless task. Of course there are some blatantly political or provocative threads, but they are greatly outnumbered by the posts that are borderline. Whatever decision the mods make, there will be someone upset......

I have the deepest of sympathy for the mods who attempt to keep the place in order, because there are so many different opinions (and some very strong opinions!) with so many thousands of users, it certainly isn't possible to please everyone all of the time.

That said, there have been a couple of discussions on here that had the main protagonists been my two kids, they would have had a slapped backside and banished to their beds.

[chopper]

This thread reads like those threads people are complaining about. That's my opinion. :p

you noticed that also Ferret,
anyone here got a 4wd , maybe a Land Rover or a Discovery even .

[frantic]

Hmmm let's see what pieces of policy have shorten and his party IMPLEMENTED that have had an effect on us lately? Ohhh that's right their not in power. When they were we talked carb tax, mining tax and border protection. Now we talk Holden-gone, Toyota- wobbling, SPC- threatened , Rio tinto and aluminum etc ohh and border boats. it's called current news.
As to Hinch that has no political attachments, just long term law issues and for some a personality clash.
Previously a post was put forward and people looked, mostly at the facts. Now a post is put forward and because of certain catch cry's the real issues/facts are ignored even when the same political party is arguing against itself ;)

[strangy]

No one forces me to read any thread.
I open the browser and new threads appear.
More commonly now a quick look confirms another Political view point topic, which is generally ignored.
As a contributor and subscriber the regularity of the above is disappointing.

As previously noted by others.... why did some join? other than to post endless ramblings and links to stories and political spin, IRELEVANT to LR and 4wd's.

Funny, if I subscribe to, or switch on Fox Sports, I expect to see Sports and sports related stories, editorials and news.
The subscriptions and audience would fall away quite quickly the moment someone thought the audience should here about political topics.

I subscribe and visit AULRO for all manner if Land Rover related trivia, technical and general information.
But the usual suspects believe I should expect their opinion on world politics and events to be there also despite it having no relevance to the forum and further espouse that any disagreeable comment or objection is due to a lack of education, racism or phobia.

I don't need to guess how the usual posters of political viewpoints would react if anyone visited their Left, Right, Extremist shrine websites and started posting their consistent unsolicited viewpoints on Land Rovers or any other 4wd.
The reaction so far is proof enough.

It's 4wd website people and a very good one without the self appointed keepers of Religion, Politics and thought police constantly pushing political topics.

What happened? Did they get rolled on the political websites, hence the need to have a crack here?

[alittlebitconcerned]

I agree although I think there should be a seperate section for those who want to talk about a leftist agenda. That way you dont have to try to avoid threads, you can avoid the sction. I for one would be happy to avoid it rather than have it rammed down my throat in General Chat.

I might just point out that it is called General Chat, not Leftie Love In Corner.

The people starting the threads seem to have plenty to discuss going by the number of threads started so they should be able to keep a seperate section going without any trouble.

That way if someone goes there that doesn't agree with the content, they can not complain about the content.

Weren't you recently demanding that people avoid any posts you made if they didn't like what you had to say? You can do the same here I think. :p

[d@rk51d3]

Weren't you recently demanding that people avoid any posts you made if they didn't like what you had to say? You can do the same here I think. :p

Single posts incidental to a thread are easily ignored, but new threads that are constantly cluttering up the new posts are another thing.

[alittlebitconcerned]

Weren't you recently demanding that people avoid any posts you made if they didn't like what you had to say? You can do the same here I think. :p

Whoops:eek:
Unreserved apology to Nugge t for that comment.
I got it completely wrong and was thinking of someone else's post.

[nugge t]

Weren't you recently demanding that people avoid any posts you made if they didn't like what you had to say? You can do the same here I think. :p


You are a bit confused between posts and threads. The topic here is the starting of threads which are essentially the same as ones previously started.

I happily invite you or anyone else so inclined to have a wonder through the General Chat and count how many threads I have started in the last month, 3 months, 6 months what ever. I assume you are concerned in fair reporting so whilst having a look, I am sure you will record those politcal posts started by others and report that as well.

My guess will be something along the lines of

nugget 0

usual suspects abacus broke ubnder the strain

:D

[nugge t]

Whoops:eek:
Unreserved apology to Nugge t for that comment.
I got it completely wrong and was thinking of someone else's post.


Mate, more than happy to accept. I have appologised myself more than once but some find it beneath them so I really appreciate your gesture.

I had already penned the reply so no offence meant but I do still invite anyone to do a threads check and report back :D

Cheers

[frantic]

No one forces me to read any thread.
I open the browser and new threads appear.
More commonly now a quick look confirms another Political view point topic, which is generally ignored.
As a contributor and subscriber the regularity of the above is disappointing.
Don't read anything in "general chat" your problem is solved:D

As previously noted by others.... why did some join? other than to post endless ramblings and links to stories and political spin, IRELEVANT to LR and 4wd's.
What may seem irrelevant to you, is relevant to others, its called respecting their views and if it's irrelevant to you and everyone else ,DONT RESPOND and the thread will die!

Funny, if I subscribe to, or switch on Fox Sports, I expect to see Sports and sports related stories, editorials and news.
The subscriptions and audience would fall away quite quickly the moment someone thought the audience should here about political topics.
Hmm sports or news, Footy player/s hanging with bikies. Qld OMC laws and possible effects on others by mere association with certain groups in S.A driving big 4x4's. Holden/ford/Toyota closure nothing to do with sport, or doesn't motorsport count? Large scale unemployment in certain areas that will reduce ownership of all 4x4's not just landies, along with sponsorship $$$$ for numerous sports.

I subscribe and visit AULRO for all manner if Land Rover related trivia, technical and general information.
And there are many, many, dedicated forums with plentiful info on this site for that, maybe general chat should have in the title "not restricted to landies" ;)?
But the usual suspects believe I should expect their opinion on world politics and events to be there also despite it having no relevance to the forum and further espouse that any disagreeable comment or objection is due to a lack of education, racism or phobia.

I don't need to guess how the usual posters of political viewpoints would react if anyone visited their Left, Right, Extremist shrine websites and started posting their consistent unsolicited viewpoints on Land Rovers or any other 4wd.
The reaction so far is proof enough.

It's 4wd website people and a very good one without the self appointed keepers of Religion, Politics and thought police constantly pushing political topics.

What happened? Did they get rolled on the political websites, hence the need to have a crack here?


For myself this is one of my main websites, I visit and I like to discuss the current news and what is happening with other LR owners. Sometimes we agree and other times we don't. Where people get going is if their belief is challenged by facts or don't want to see the full effects of their ideas. Another reason threads go in circles is people not bothering to read the posts or subject and just "cut n pasting" their spiel, which has already been answered earlier or is irrelevant in that at best would solve 3-10% of the issue and not the other 90%.:wasntme: Or make a statement and not answer a question about that statement :twisted:

[ramblingboy42]

please Inc...oh please mods.....please exhonorate me from sounding like I'm stirring the pot.

It wasn't me....I just made made an innocent reply.

It was all the others here to blame.

thats what it sounds like now.....week as ****.

[nugge t]

If the repetetive, provocative threads were not started there would be no answers.

End of story.

If they are started in a Leftie loving corner only those interested would go there.

If people were not wanting a reaction, one way or the other, they wouldn't start the thread. the fact that they do gives a fair indication that they are on a hobby horse.

Have made my suggestion. Let the mods take it from here.

[superquag]

amen ;)

and i'll probably be damned by the lefties and the rightists for saying that...

Or the Worshipful Order of Agnostics..... :angel:

:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[ugu80]

Perhaps a moderator could start a poll thread. BAN POLITICS FROM 'CHAT'. Yes. No.

[DiscoMick]

Well, I didn't start any of the threads I assume some people don't like, but I have contributed a bit, and I don't apologise for doing that. If some people disagree, well that's fine, just as I'm entitled to disagree with them sometimes. I don't believe people should be bullied into silence for daring to disagree.
As for asylum seekers, I don't see it as a party political issue. I believe the present LNP government, the previous Labor Government, the LNP Government before that and the Labor Government before that were all wrong in the ways they handled this issue.
For me, the asylum seeker threads are not about party politics, they're about human rights. And, as far as I know, discussion of human rights is not banned on AULRO. Please say if that's wrong.
Incidentally, most of my posts on this forum are not even in General Chat.

[DT-P38]

AULRO is more than landy's and chat about them. Just as landy's are more than 4WD's. Just have a look at the list of forums (err fora?) sub fora and sub, sub fora. We have an amazing spread of people and passions on here. I can find a space for getting info and feedback on ALL my cars one day, ask for comments on what types of dog the next, and then drop in for a bit of cerebral stimulation and discussion (err **** slanging!) another day. And that's what's great about AULRO for me. It is (very nearly!) all I need from the WWW.

If we compare general chat to the campfire chats on AULRO trips then I think politics should be dropped. Our regular VIC trip attendees tend to let people know pretty quickly that sex, politics and religion are off topic by either saying "don't want to talk about it" or just walking off! And if that's general chats definition then we (we know who we are) are being pretty rude around our campfire.

In saying that, for me it really is nice to share opinions (on all sorts of subjects) and try to understand others and their perspectives. And honestly, I think a heap of us find AULRO a little like a virtual trip to the pub to blow of steam or vent at times. So I guess for me having an area where I can do this with out people getting upset by it would be best. I probably would be happy to pay a few extra dollars to AULRO for this, and can pick a few mod's who would probably be happy to look after it all (no doubt Inc included!).

As with the rest of our wonderful country, as long as no one is getting hurt, we should all enjoy the discussion and get involved. If we don't, the big mouth bullies and squeaky wheels will be the ones driving the overall dialogue and agenda for us all. And like pie shops charging for sauce, that just isn't Australian!

All IMHO if course. Inc is God here, so whatever he wants is 100% fine by me.

[chuck]

I think some of the political threads should be allowed.

Quite often they expand what has been reported in the media & give you greater insight into the issue or you research the topic more if it interests you.

To go the way of sticking our heads in the sand and not reporting or commenting is not good either.

One of my new years resolutions was to attend some council meetings because I am sick of laws being introduced by minority groups that have more say than they should purely because the are better at lobbying.

I recently challenged our council about the ratepayers money being spent on opposing the proposed East West Link in Melbourne when most people I know are in favour of it. Their answer was the motion was raised & passed in a council meeting.

The other political bug bear is those that say we are paid to much in this country. Compare our wages to those in comparable 1st world .countries

[beagleONE]

AULRO is more than landy's and chat about them. Just as landy's are more than 4WD's. Just have a look at the list of forums (err fora?) sub fora and sub, sub fora. We have an amazing spread of people and passions on here.


This is what has made AULRO a favorite forum of mine.
Its like no other forum I am a member on.
AULRO is a place where you can talk about more than the vehicle of interest.


I know Im probably considered as a 'lefty', due to my shark rant.
But healthy and supported discussion is a part of life.
There will always be differing points of view, and friendly banter is always a good way of getting the grey matter ticking over.


Like others have said, if a thread is causing you such distress.
1) Leave the thread.
2) Do not be baited into a reply.
3) Do not return to the thread...

All future butthurt can be avoided by these simple steps :D

[frantic]

please Inc...oh please mods.....please exhonorate me from sounding like I'm stirring the pot.

It wasn't me....I just made made an innocent reply.

It was all the others here to blame.

thats what it sounds like now.....week as ****.

This thread is about politics, not identifying the spiel, the 3% solutions or the catch cry statements unanswered. If we go down that path the thread will have suffered amassive derailment and gone back over ground already covered elsewhere.

[incisor]

well

the feedback has been read and welcomed as usual

later tonight if my phone lets me

people that have an interest in social and political issues will be able to participate in that sort of chat without worrying the sensibilities of others with no interest.

you will have to pm me for access as it will not show up if you do not have access.

i hope you find this a satisfactory response to the issues raised.

[vnx205]

Some people seem not to have noticed that the administrator of this forum has described General Chat in this way:
https://www.cx.com/api/v1/files/preview/2GksFw1REeO4whIBOQ75wQ:MRn0G4vbEeOILyIFCiuDbg'size =xlarge&version=1

Can I assume that those who keep harping on about this being a Land Rover forum have been lobbying to get rid of all the sub forums that I have drawn attention to in the following image?
https://www.cx.com/api/v1/files/preview/2GksFw1REeO4whIBOQ75wQ:MpFR34vbEeOILyIFCiuDbg'size =xlarge&version=1

Most of them have nothing to do with Land Rovers, but they seem to be fairly popular.

If someone starts a thread you don't think should be on the forum, then just ignore it. Don't respond. If you feel strongly enough, then report it. (The mods should be made to earn the exhorbitant salary they are paid to do their job. :p) If others respond, then presumably they think the issue is worth debating or arguing over. Let those who feel that way have their fun while you just ignore them and concentrate on the issues that matter to you.

[ugu80]

Bravo, Incisor, bravo.:spudnikboogie::arms:[thumbsupbig]

[incisor]

Conditions of access modified accordingly


5a) NO RELIGIOUS DEBATE / DISCUSSION IN THE MAIN FORUM AREAS PLEASE

If you intend to post something you consider may breech these guidelines please ask one of the Admin or Moderating team to clarify it before you post it.
We do have a special area where adults can discuss these topics without disturbing the general populace. Please ask an admin for access.

5b) NO POLITICAL DEBATE / DISCUSSION IN THE MAIN FORUM AREAS PLEASE

If you intend to post something you consider may breech these guidelines please ask one of the Admin or Moderating team to clarify it before you post it.
We do have a special area where adults can discuss social and political topics without disturbing the general populace. Please ask an admin for access.

[beagleONE]

Conditions of access modified accordingly

adults :D

[sheerluck]

adults :D

Hey! They are some on here you know! I can name both of them too!

[beagleONE]

Hey! They are some on here you know! I can name both of them too!

hahahaha, well played sir:clap2:

[bob10]

Every one got it out of their system? here is a definition of general chat.


Almost anything goes, have a look and drop in a few lines. Think of it as a campfire chat with the kids around.


Here's my chat. Bob


The Monty python's Galaxy Song. - YouTube (http://youtu.be/dvwH8Qij0JY)


And for those who think you can post a political or neo political thread, without some come back, think again. And for those who say they haven't posted said threads, but just responded, are you kidding? And for those who don't like my pastes & posts, which in the main part are harmless fun, .......Luv youse all. AND I am guilty of being caught up in the moment of some political threads, but there is something we all should consider. If we don't allow some variation in this part of the forum, if we insist it must be all land rover related, this part of the forum will become as irrelevant as land rover is starting to become in this country. This is not England, gentlemen. Bob

[dullbird]

Christ can we have a monty python sub forum too to put those posts with quotes in so anyone born after the 80s doesnt have to read them too unless they really want too :p

[DT-P38]

Christ can we have a monty python sub forum too to put those posts with quotes in so anyone born after the 80s doesnt have to read them too unless they really want too :p

Christ... He's not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy! Oops that was Brian!!!

[mikehzz]

Can we keep the references to any Christs or Messiahs to a minimum please because I am offended by any religious talk. It should be moved to a separate and secret sub forum.

[JamesH]

Good outcome, Inc. Thank you.

I've been very guilty and while I accept that I could choosenot to read certain types of posts I cannot for the life of me resist a bait. Somebody says something and I cannot let it past.

Eg. Somebody said something above about stating "the facts". There is only one fact, and it is get ten people to look at it and there will be multiple interpretations often more than ten. We all see things through different eyes; always have, always will. Why do I take these baits? I don't know. I'm sure I never changed a single opinion.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Christ can we have a monty python sub forum too to put those posts with quotes in so anyone born after the 80s doesnt have to read them too unless they really want too :p

Yes Yes A Monty Python Forum. :)

[sheerluck]

Yes Yes A Monty Python Forum. :)

I agree. We could call it "And now for something completely different."

[Ferret]

We could call it "And now for something completely different."

Except it would have the same old topics posted by the same bunch of usual suspects. However, if it has anything to do with the Inquisition then I'm for it too.

[sheerluck]

Except it would have the same old topics posted by the same bunch of usual suspects. However, if it has anything to do with the Inquisition then I'm for it too.

Ah, but that's part of the joke. A limited pool of material, drawn from 5 years worth of the TV series and the 4 films, couldn't ever be 'completely different'.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I agree. We could call it "And now for something completely different."At least the meaning of life will be in the other forum with the naughty boy/s (not the messiah) ;)

Except it would have the same old topics posted by the same bunch of usual suspects. However, if it has anything to do with the Inquisition then I'm for it too.That's good because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[incisor]

okay

the die is cast

the door to The Cantina is open

no more social issues that engender political debate to be posted in the open forum areas.

habitual posting of those sorts of threads will get you points and eventually a door out of the place.

if you have any doubts about a subject i suggest you ask a moderator first.

if you see posts that you think are not where they should be, please report the post.

bit sad really....

[Epic_Dragon]

im confused? are people not allowed to talk about what they wish in the general topic threads? we are all adults and should be able to have friendly debates/conversations about what ever subjects, political or not. there are heaps of threads/sections in this forum for all things landrover, the around the campfire chat one is great for anything else.
i hve not read through this whole thread as my internet is super slow and not loading pages, but i honestly am confused, are some subjects actually banned? what on earth for? i relaly like this forum but am a bit saddened if now subjects in the general areas are going to be monitored/not allowed, im one that if you dont like whats talked about in a particular thread, do not open it, or dont read it. no one is obligated to read stuff they do not like, nor should other be forced to not be able to talk about things they like or dislike. there is a heap of people on here, we are not all going to share the same likes and dislikes.

i may be completely missing the point here, if so please politely steer me in the right direction :)

[incisor]

seems not

the vast majority don't want to see it judging by my inbox.

there has always been a pretty solid debate about whether it should be allowed here.

it was segregated for years until recent years when it seems that you couldn't have a dissenting view with out it being a personal attack and it was shut down, twice.

it started to infiltrate general chat again to the point that the majority had once again had enough.

so it is segregated again so that only those that wish to see it and can stay within the bounds of the guidelines can see it.

hopefully that will work..

pm me if you want access to the area

[vnx205]

I don't know if this is a commonly held belief, but I have some recollection of hearing years ago that there are two topics of conversation that you should never raise at a dinner party. You can probably guess that those two topics are politics and religion.

I realise that there is a difference between a campfire and a dinner party, but I think there is some evidence that those two topics produce more grey hairs for the moderators than any other topics.

I think it is disappointing that it has become necessary to take the steps that Inc has taken, but I guess he and the other mods have reached the end of their tether.

[SBD4]

im confused? are people not allowed to talk about what they wish in the general topic threads? we are all adults and should be able to have friendly debates/conversations about what ever subjects, political or not. there are heaps of threads/sections in this forum for all things landrover, the around the campfire chat one is great for anything else.
i hve not read through this whole thread as my internet is super slow and not loading pages, but i honestly am confused, are some subjects actually banned? what on earth for? i relaly like this forum but am a bit saddened if now subjects in the general areas are going to be monitored/not allowed, im one that if you dont like whats talked about in a particular thread, do not open it, or dont read it. no one is obligated to read stuff they do not like, nor should other be forced to not be able to talk about things they like or dislike. there is a heap of people on here, we are not all going to share the same likes and dislikes.

i may be completely missing the point here, if so please politely steer me in the right direction :)

ED, looks like you may have joined the site after the closure of certain sections of the forum that allowed political and religious discussions. Due to the nature of the topics threads often descended into a barrage of personal attacks and slurs that brought down the tone of the site and were against the "no personal attacks" rule. Despite continual warnings, protagonists continued to make inappropriate post which lead to the closure of these areas.

Politics, religion and sex are topics that have never been allowed in General Chat. It's just that the boundaries have been pushed a bit recently. Inc. has just re-opened one of these areas (la Cantina) to allow those who feel compelled to discuss political/religious topics to do so with stricter conditions of access and participation with out impacting the general populace of the site.

[Epic_Dragon]

i dont envy your job incisor. not at all. its sad when grown adults cannot politely accept and respect one anothers differences, and the small portion ruin it for the majority. i dont understand how people take stuff so seriously. friendly debate and discussion is healthy.

[Epic_Dragon]

thanks sbd4, that explains everything a lot better! i was thinking the whole general chat thread was going to be removed! your post just popped up now! after i posted my last one LOL! i still however do not understand why people get so offended and personally attack one another. sounds like everyone needs to chill out a little in there!!

[DiscoMick]

Well, being a mod. is a tough job and I respect that of course, but I think its sad when some people just can't cope with other people disagreeing with them. Talk or walk, I say.
Please put me on the list for The Cantina.

[bob10]

Thank you Inc, That's got the nay sayers & haters, & general sad sacks in an area of their own. Let's hope they stay there. Sad, Sad people. Bob

[sheerluck]

I have to say that it seems much calmer and quieter now.

Maybe Chucaro has halved his coffee and red wine intake. :D

[incisor]

Thank you Inc, That's got the nay sayers & haters, & general sad sacks in an area of their own. Let's hope they stay there. Sad, Sad people. Bob

really, yet to hear most of them run other people down like that....

but to each his own i suppose ...

[Chucaro]

Thank you Inc, That's got the nay sayers & haters, & general sad sacks in an area of their own. Let's hope they stay there. Sad, Sad people. Bob
I think that your comments are offensive and by the way Inc is active posting in The Cantina.
If you like to keep out of current affairs it is your right and I do not have any problem with it and further more I do not call you names. I respect your right to choose.

[Chucaro]

I have to say that it seems much calmer and quieter now.

Maybe Chucaro has halved his coffee and red wine intake. :D

Dave, remember that political issues affect our day to day life.
It is what political issues you like to discuss and your choices to be aware of them or not.
I just wonder if someone if going to post problems with traffic laws, laws that affect us the access to NP, etc etc.
I guess that not, after all are political issues introduced by politicians :)
The thread about private health cover is a political issue but people are prepared to complain and comment about it.....extrange....

[bob10]

Christ can we have a monty python sub forum too to put those posts with quotes in so anyone born after the 80s doesnt have to read them too unless they really want too :p


I find this puzzling, if you don't really want to read the content, why do you bother? I think it proves you have no idea of subtle humour, or it's intent. I can only suggest that is a product of modern living, or education. Bob

[bob10]

I think that your comments are offensive and by the way Inc is active posting in The Cantina.
If you like to keep out of current affairs it is your right and I do not have any problem with it and further more I do not call you names. I respect your right to choose.


I did not mention names, and if you wish to call the generally offensive rubbish in what you call the discussion on " current affairs" as normal discussion, that is your mistake . Bob

[blitz]

I read the first 2 comments and have jumped straight to here, I'm very politically motivated and will possibly end up trying to get into politics formally; but I have chosen to shut my gob and keep out of the politically focused posts as best I can because this is one of the very very few places where I'm free to escape and dream about some of the finer things in life and which are stress free.

So of my own volution I will do my best to not talk about politics or religion as I don't want to polarise opinions in the one place I can escape reality

[sheerluck]

As far as I am concerned, politics is something that happens to other people. I have no love whatsoever of politics, but if other people want to get all hot under the collar about their particular affiliation, and talk about it, I couldn't care less.

For me, the distinction of what I do care about is as simple as a capital G. Government versus government. The act of creating and applying laws, versus the individuals themselves.

The laws and their application very much apply to me, the individuals of whichever side or colour of tie, and how they stab each other in the back whilst scrambling as far up the ladder of politics as they can, most definitely do not.


Dave, remember that political issues affect our day to day life.
It is what political issues you like to discuss and your choices to be aware of them or not.
I just wonder if someone if going to post problems with traffic laws, laws that affect us the access to NP, etc etc.
I guess that not, after all are political issues introduced by politicians :)
The thread about private health cover is a political issue but people are prepared to complain and comment about it.....extrange....

Arthur, I refer you to my comment above. I am very interested in the issues you raise, but there's a number of people who cannot separate that discussion from political affiliation.

Every topic gets muddied with people associating themselves with parties of either colour, or unions.

[Chucaro]

Arthur, I refer you to my comment above. I am very interested in the issues you raise, but there's a number of people who cannot separate that discussion from political affiliation.

Every topic gets muddied with people associating themselves with parties of either colour, or unions.

Yes, you are right, it is a shame :(

[bob10]

Arthur, I refer you to my comment above. I am very interested in the issues you raise, but there's a number of people who cannot separate that discussion from political affiliation.

Every topic gets muddied with people associating themselves with parties of either colour, or unions.


So keep it out of the general chat, for goodness sake. We all know what follows from a suggestion, a nuance, keep the crap in the Cantina. In this forum we have strong minded, independent people. I think we should not try to inflame the passion, as some stirrers do, and we should try to make the general chat a sanctuary for those who are sick of politics. I have been guilty in the past of being caught up in the flurry of personal attacks, and political posts. No more. If you want to sink in the morass of personal attacks, and pointless political debate, go to the cantina. Leave the general chat for those with something to say, & those with a sense of humour. BTW, you don't have to open a post you don't wish to read. Bob

[DiscoMick]

I'm interested in human rights, not party politics. My interest in politics is only because it is necessary to change politics to improve human rights. I don't attack other posters, but I don't retreat from politely disagreeing with them either.
We have it easy in Australia and sometimes we forget how bad it is in some other parts of the world.
If some people would rather ignore reality and want to be treated like mushrooms, well that's their right, but they don't have the right to try to bully others into silence. If they can't cope with others having different opinions, well I think that's pretty sad.



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[dullbird]

I find this puzzling, if you don't really want to read the content, why do you bother? I think it proves you have no idea of subtle humour, or it's intent. I can only suggest that is a product of modern living, or education. Bob


I'm sorry bob I didn't quite hear you did you paste something?

[Ferret]

I'm sorry bob I didn't quite hear you did you paste something?

I think he said it proves you have no idea of subtle humour... and then proved he doesn't either. :D

[DT-P38]

Funny, no-one in the cantina seems to be whining or even talking about general chat and it's regulars! Keep on rocking Bob... Enjoy your echo!

[Chucaro]

I thought political talk was a no no, didn't INC put a stop to it a while back?
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/165699-aaaaaa-new-users-start-here-conditions-access-etc.html
:rulez: Numbers 5a and 5 b politics and religion

Interesting, who start the thread "Hockey says Australia will run out of money" and how many people are whinging here and participate now in the thread "Hockey says Australia will run out of money" and in a few more like the one What is left?
This is a lesson, politics run our life and the topic it is unavoidable unless people like to do the Emu trick and bury the head in the sand ;)

[Mick_Marsh]

Interesting, who start the thread "Hockey says Australia will run out of money" and how many people are whinging here and participate now in the thread "Hockey says Australia will run out of money" and in a few more like the one What is left?
This is a lesson, politics run our life and the topic it is unavoidable unless people like to do the Emu trick and bury the head in the sand ;)
Hey, Chucky, if you think a post breaks the rules, report it.
Maybe the mods don't know about it yet. Reporting it will bring it to their attention.
Besides, they may want to discuss something other than you.

[Chucaro]

Hey, Chucky, if you think a post breaks the rules, report it.
Maybe the mods don't know about it yet. Reporting it will bring it to their attention.
Besides, they may want to discuss something other than you.

Mick, I do not care if people debate politics in the general chat, my point it is that many of them complain when there is a political thread on this forum and then participate or create one.

[Ausfree]

Mick, I do not care if people debate politics in the general chat, my point it is that many of them complain when there is a political thread on this forum and then participate or create one.
I personally don't care if a political thread is discussed in in General Chat. What gets up my nose is some posters will not debate in a mature fashion but resort to personal attacks. I haven't bothered to join the Cantina because personal attacks bore me senseless. I have better things to do than read rubbish.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

My apologies to strangy,,
I know you tried,,;)

Wonder zone for now,,

[Mick_Marsh]

I personally don't care if a political thread is discussed in in General Chat. What gets up my nose is some posters will not debate in a mature fashion but resort to personal attacks. I haven't bothered to join the Cantina because personal attacks bore me senseless. I have better things to do than read rubbish.
Funnily enough, there is a noted absence of personal attacks in "La Cantina".
I think it's because the usual offenders have decided not to have access.
I think there has been more issues in "General Chat".