D4 at off-road height on sand

[Jimlr]

Hi

Can a D4 be forced to run at off road height above 50kmh, for example on sand? I believe it defaults back to normal height. Is this ok? Any downsides? How do you guys do the beach?

Thanks
Jim

[Tombie]

Search LLAMS

[oldsalt]

Or G.O.E. "rods"....
cheers

[SimmAus]

Yes you can stop the automatic return to normal height; this is "normal" behaviour for the vehicle but also a PITA.
As said above a search for LLAMS will explain a lot; as will a search for GOE Rods.

[ADMIRAL]

Hi

Can a D4 be forced to run at off road height above 50kmh, for example on sand? I believe it defaults back to normal height. Is this ok? Any downsides? How do you guys do the beach?

Thanks
Jim

Make sure your DSC is set to off, or you won't get far.

[lpj]

Check the markets section of this forum. Someone is selling a Llams kit that they claim was never fitted.

[chuck]

On a recent trip to SA & the Canunda National Park I found the D4 to be better on sand than the D3.

On the over dune trek from Carpenters Rocks to Southend you are lucky to do over 20 km/h.

I did not need to do more than 40 km/h on sand so lowering was not an issue.

[scarry]

Make sure your DSC is set to off, or you won't get far.

Tell me about it,left it on accidently once on a remote track at Moreton island and then had to spend two hours digging it out.:mad::D
It was bloody hot that day which made things worse.
Seems to love cutting power just when you need it......!

[Canaussie]

I found on a recent trip to 5 rocks, the vehicle was smarter than me. Tried numerous attempts in sand mode manual both high and low range modes with dsc off and had tyres at 12psi, very hot and soft sand. Put on low range auto and dsc off and got up first go....hmmm

I do hate that at any sign of wheel spin that vehicle cuts power

[Canaussie]

;-)

[AnD3rew]

Two clicks to the right on the Llams switch :D

I understand why they do it, but this feature does significantly limit the otherwise outstanding capability of this vehicle. For me Llams is the most useful mod you can do to these vehicles, especially of you do any sand driving either coastal or desert. Also good for good quality tracks with a hump in the middle, someof these tracks are easily good for 60-80 kph or sometimes even more but they just need the extra clearance.

[discotwinturbo]

I found on a recent trip to 5 rocks, the vehicle was smarter than me. Tried numerous attempts in sand mode manual both high and low range modes with dsc off and had tyres at 12psi, very hot and soft sand. Put on low range auto and dsc off and got up first go....hmmm I do hate that at any sign of wheel spin that vehicle cuts power

I do a lot of sand driving and climbing dunes.

The trick is as you have done, dsc off, low range.....but the biggest key is light throttle percentage as this will not force dsc to kick in.

I have travelled the biggest dunes in WA with ease, predominantly from light throttle input. Too much stick, and dsc will stick kick in and retard forward movement causing unnecessary gear changes and rooster tails.

I showed a fellow aulro member this, and even though the temptation was there against his instinct, he listened and blew the biggest dunes away.

Brett....

[Jimlr]

Thanks guys, nice to know there's a solution.
...although you'd think on a 100k vehicle they'd include 600 bucks worth of functionality!

[101RRS]

Thanks guys, nice to know there's a solution.
...although you'd think on a 100k vehicle they'd include 600 bucks worth of functionality!

Unfortunately we all live in a litigious society - imagine the legal action against Landrover if someone crashed as disco at 180kph when at offroad height and it was caused by a stability issue. You modify the vehicle then it is your issue.

Garry

[Dagilmo]

Check the markets section of this forum. Someone is selling a Llams kit that they claim was never fitted.

Is it the same kit for a D3 and D4?

[ozscott]

Is it DSC or ETC kicking in...I assume DSC because LRs typically only applies brakes for traction control unlike the Japanese makes. Can you absolutely keep DSC off on a d3/4 for sand use?

Cheers

[Graeme]

Is it the same kit for a D3 and D4?Yes, & RRS too.

[WhiteD3]

Can you absolutely keep DSC off on a d3/4 for sand use?

Yes but.................it will reset ON every time you change the TR mode or restart the car. Hence why so many of us have got caught out. When my boys were younger and we were doing Fraser Is, I had them trained to yell out "DSC" every time we got in the car.

[gghaggis]

Can you absolutely keep DSC off on a d3/4 for sand use?

Cheers

No, you can only desensitise it - hence the throttle trick we teach on our terrain-response driver training. Once you master it, it turns the car into quite the sand weapon!

Cheers,

Gordon

[101RRS]

Reading the TR development document that was put up last week, it would seem that Landrover had major issues developing the system. According to the document when DSC is on it is actually changed with each TR setting to reduce its impact so in theory DSC should not have to be turned off - but as both LR and we have found LR could quite manage it and as a result DSC needs to be turned off with each TR change - but as Gordon has mentioned at the extremes it can still kick in so throttle in moderation (just enough that is needed to do the job) is still needed.

Garry

[Xtreme]

I do a lot of sand driving and climbing dunes.

The trick is as you have done, dsc off, low range.....but the biggest key is light throttle percentage as this will not force dsc to kick in.

I have travelled the biggest dunes in WA with ease, predominantly from light throttle input. Too much stick, and dsc will stick kick in and retard forward movement causing unnecessary gear changes and rooster tails.

I showed a fellow aulro member this, and even though the temptation was there against his instinct, he listened and blew the biggest dunes away.

Brett....

Words of wisdom indeed. ;)

I don't drive a D3 or D4 with DSC etc but do most of my sand driving in a Defender and have found that low range and just enough throttle to reach the crest is certainly the way to go.

I have often told those who spin wheels, dig in and throw huge rooster tails to "back off and experience going further". :D
I have actually stopped part way up numerous large Simpson Desert ridges and subsequently recommenced, still in low range and with gentle, progressive application of throttle have crested the ridges without difficulty.

[ozscott]

Haha...thanks Gordon and others. I will pass it along to my mate who has just bought d3 v6 petrol with terrain response/elec air susp.

Cheers