what wiring standard do MY14 D4 trailer sockets comply.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Are the current D4 compliant with Australian trailer wiring or European wiring standards?

[ADMIRAL]

The lge black 7 pin socket is wired for Australia ( the N socket ) The white (S ) socket is wired for European caravan accessory towing. I could not find an S plug, but they are easily made if you want to use the S plug for your van. If you cannot find one, buy a 7 pin socket and Plug. Swap the centre pin from the socket to the plug, and presto you have an S plug.

If you want to use the white S socket ....................

From memory, the centre of the S plug is the earth return, and there are two power circuits. One is constant 12volt, and the other is ignition controlled. A minute with a multi meter and you will identify them. I understand both 12 volt circuits are fuse controlled at 30 amp ( thanks Gordon )

The only deficiency I found was the 7 pin plug can only take about a 15amp wire. I might have a scout around and see if a different brand has a better capacity.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

At least they now have the correct wiring.

The white plug is ISO 3732
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Is the reversing lamps at pin 2 or is it still the fog lamps. I know that on my MY12 I get the trailer reversing lamps by turning on the rear fog lamps.

[letherm]

Anyone come across the trailer connection being DOA. I bought a round to flat converter for Supercheap Auto and connected my neighbor's caravan up and got no lights on the van at all. Had hazard lights, headlights on and the engine running. car's only a couple of months old:(

[sniegy]

At least they now have the correct wiring.

The white plug is ISO 3732
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Is the reversing lamps at pin 2 or is it still the fog lamps. I know that on my MY12 I get the trailer reversing lamps by turning on the rear fog lamps.

Pin #2 is still fog lights.
The wiring follows ISO 1724.
Still compliant for Australia.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Pin #2 is still fog lights.
The wiring follows ISO 1724.
Still compliant for Australia.It can't be compliant because if pin #2 is wired for rear fog lamps and is connected to a trailer wired for AS2513 with reversing lamps, it means you can turn on white lights at the rear from the drivers position. Totally illegal.

[Meken]

And your electric brakes will lock on when you turn the lights on (LH tail-light on brakes pin)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

And your electric brakes will lock on when you turn the lights on (LH tail-light on brakes pin)Not on mine, but only because it now has an after-market electric brake controller. It is however why I was asking if the 2014 D4 is still not compliant with ADR42/04 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2005L03996)

9.2.1.Except for motor vehicles over 3.5 tonnes ‘GVM’ and trailers over 3.5 tonnes ‘ATM’, the electrical connectors between motor vehicles and trailers, for the purpose of operating the prescribed vehicle lighting and signalling must comply with Australian Standard 2513 – 1982 “Electrical Connections for Trailer Vehicles”. Motor vehicles over 3.5 tonnes ‘GVM’ and trailers over 3.5 tonnes ‘ATM’ may use electrical connectors complying with International Standards Organisation ISO 1185 – 1997 or Society of Automotive Engineers SAE J 560 – 1998 standards for electrical connectors between towing vehicles and trailers as alternative standards.
TABLE 1.1 CIRCUITS AND IDENTIFICATION
7-pin connector Contact No. Circuit Circuit conductor colour
1 Left-hand turn Yellow
2 Reversing signal Black
3 Earth return White
4 Right-hand turn Green
5 Service Brakes Blue
6 Stop lamps Red
7 Rear lamps, clearance and side marker lamps BrownAFAIK the GVM of a D4 is not over 3.5 Tonne and the ATM of a trailer most certainly is not over 3.5 Tonne.

[BobD]

I don't understand why pin 5 is such a problem. You should not be towing a trailer with electric brakes without a brake controller present and if a controller is installed the wiring should be sorted out correctly so pin 5 goes to the brakes. Do people just plug their trailers in and think that they have brakes without a brake controller??

Are people fitting brake controllers without wiring them properly? Surely if there is a wire going to pin 5 already you wouldn't just add another one and hope for the best, without at least disconnecting the one that is there already?

Interestingly, I was in Barbagellos getting my car serviced a couple of years ago and someone was complaining about his trailer brakes going on when he turned on the lights. I had just read the FAQ's on this site and knew about the pin 5 issue so I was able to tell them what was going on. The service person that he was speaking to had no idea why that would happen until I told her!

Bob

[Lotz-A-Landies]

No the issue is that there are automotive standards in Australia. The Discovery 4 does not comply with ADR 42/04 and therefore it should not be sold in Australia until it is compliant.

I have an electric braked car trailer fitted with reversing lamps, which is compliant with ADR 42/04, yet when I plug in my ADR compliant trailer to my non-compliant D4 and turn on the rear fog lamps I could be liable for a traffic fine and demerit points because Land Rover has sold me a non-compliant vehicle.

Why should I have to re-wire the standard fittings on my vehicle to comply with Australian Law.

Surely this should be subject to a recall or something?

[sniegy]

It can't be compliant because if pin #2 is wired for rear fog lamps and is connected to a trailer wired for AS2513 with reversing lamps, it means you can turn on white lights at the rear from the drivers position. Totally illegal.
As you have said "You" can turn on the fog lights. You know you shouldn't so don't.
It is compliant otherwise the vehicle would not be sold. LR have been rejected on many fronts on other small niggling things which we laughed at.
And ah No, recall won't be necessary, no need to cut your fingers off so the fog light switch is turned on!:angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

As you have said "You" can turn on the fog lights. You know you shouldn't so don't.
It is compliant otherwise the vehicle would not be sold. LR have been rejected on many fronts on other small niggling things which we laughed at.
And ah No, recall won't be necessary, no need to cut your fingers off so the fog light switch is turned on!:angel:With a response like that Land Rover can deal with the Dept. of Infrastructure and Regional Development. Its been reported to Investigations and Recalls, Vehicle Safety Standards, Department of Infrastructure and Transport.

You do realise that most Land Rover drivers don't have eyes on stalks that can check the rear of their trailer while they're driving. Particularly if they correctly use the rear fog lamps only in adverse conditions.

I would take bets that the majority of Land Rover Discovery and RRS drivers would not have a clue about this issue.

[gghaggis]

Maybe I'm missing something, but why would you activate rear fog lights when the trailer on the back would be in the way? I didn't think fog lights were a requirement on Oz vehicles, so there's no requirement to turn them on anyway?

Cheers,

Gordon

[SBD4]

I think the point is that they can be turned on and if they are turned then you have an issue if the driver is unaware of the problem.

Where I live we regularly have heavy fog and plenty of people use their fog lights.

I'm with Diana - Land Rover should make sure that the plugs are compatible with the local standards. If I was not a member of this forum I would never have known of this issue and it is clear that some members here have been caught out with other wiring issues.

PS I cant understand why you would have a vehicle capable of towing 3.5 tonnes that does not have a standard interface to install an EBC with out pulling the trim apart. Discoveries sold in North America have it. Can't understand why the same interface is not available here.

[weeds]

Di, I thought you were part of a group that meet regularly with land rover to discuss vehicle issues and issues with dealerships......could this be resolved at one of those meetings?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

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[Lotz-A-Landies]

I think the point is that they can be turned on and if they are turned then you have an issue if the driver is unaware of the problem.

Where I live we regularly have heavy fog and plenty of people use their fog lights.

I'm with Diana - Land Rover should make sure that the plugs are compatible with the local standards. If I was not a member of this forum I would never have known of this issue and it is clear that some members here have been caught out with other wiring issues.

PS I cant understand why you would have a vehicle capable of towing 3.5 tonnes that does not have a standard interface to install an EBC with out pulling the trim apart. Discoveries sold in North America have it. Can't understand why the same interface is not available here.I think you are correct on that issue but I think it is mandated in the US where JLR have assumed that ISO1724 will suit Australia because of our historical links to the UK.

From the information I have been able to find, electric brakes are unusual or even rare in the UK.

Unless the issue is brought to the attention of LRA: that we probably need our vehicles wired for the brake controller interface cable with compatible/ADR 42 compliant trailer sockets nothing will be done.

[drivesafe]

Folks, this issue is a state based issue.

ADRs are not national based laws or regulations, and only become laws and/or regulations if a particular state makes it part of that state’s regulations.

Furthermore, this thread is just like the arguments put foreword about the use of fog lights on the front of vehicles.

In most states, they are illegal to use in anything but in fog or bad weather, but this doesn't stop ******* using them at night in good whether, blinding on coming drivers.

[Hoges]

Folks, this issue is a state based issue.

ADRs are not national based laws or regulations, and only become laws and/or regulations if a particular state makes it part of that state’s regulations.

Furthermore, this thread is just like the arguments put foreword about the use of fog lights on the front of vehicles.

In most states, they are illegal to use in anything but in fog or bad weather, but this doesn't stop ******* using them at night in good whether, blinding on coming drivers.

I also find some of the new LED "running lights" exceedingly bright...

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Folks, this issue is a state based issue.

ADRs are not national based laws or regulations, and only become laws and/or regulations if a particular state makes it part of that state’s regulations.

...I'd have to disagree with you on this one. The ADRs are most certainly national based laws or regulations. They are in fact a section of the Commonwealth "Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989" the same piece of legislation under which the compliance plate is affixed to new cars.

Where it gets confused is how the various state jurisdictions treat the application of the ADR.

If a vehicle is complianced under commonwealth law managaged by a commonwealth department (DOTARS) and it in fact doesn't meet the standards in such legislation at the time of the approval then it is a commonwealth issue and not a state issue.

[101RRS]

I agree - ADRs set the minimum standards for new vehicles in Australia - the States cannot over ride them from the point of setting lower standards but can require higher standards.

An example of this was Electronic Stability Control - may have changed now but was not an ADR requirement so vehicles could be sold in Aust without it but Vic said that any vehicle sold there had to have it - as a result some Chery models could not be sold in Vic but were elsewhere in Aust and a few 4wds like the Patrol had to seek exemptions.

Where any State legislation conflicts with Commonwealth legislation, Commonwealth legislation applies and overrides State legislation.

Garry

[drivesafe]

piece of legislation under which the compliance plate is affixed to new cars.

This is the only time the federal gov has any control over a vehicle’s compliance.

A perfect example is the required compliance relating to exhaust emissions. As long as the vehicle complies at the time the plate is to be installed, that is all that is required.

VW has two forms of switching that allows the owner of the vehicle to either override the emission controls for a given trip by pressing a button or by setting a different switch, the owner can permanently override the emission controls.

And note, the new D4 will have both an ECO emissions control system, and a trip override button.

Another example of the non compliance of ADRs by the states.

In all states, except QLD, up until about 5 years ago, as per the "RECOMMENDATIONS" of the ADRs, it was illegal to fit driving lights higher than the highest point of a vehicle’s headlights.

Queensland has NEVER had a height limitation of driving lights and roof lights have always been legal.

As I posted above, the ADRs are NOT binding on the states, the states simply use them as they see fit.

Furthermore, while it is now legal to fit roof mounted lights in NSW, I have no idea whether the other states have followed, seeing as the ADRs have now been changed to allow roof mounted lights.