EPB Emergency Stop

[letherm]

Hi everyone.

I did a one day LR training/get to know your new toy course last Sunday (paid for by the dealer)

The guy running it was giving hints and tips. I thought this one was good to know.

If a driver passes out, the passenger can pull up on the EPB tab and so long as they keep it held up the brakes (Not just the park brake) will be applied as though you had pushed the brake pedal to the floor. There will be a dashboard warning and the usual LR bonging noises. It works by using the ABS. The brake lights come on as well to warn cars behind. Once the car gets down below 3 KPH the hand brake come on and stays on and the car comes to a stop. I think he said the engine turns off - not sure. This happens even if the driver's foot is jammed onto the accelerator. The trainer is a recognised Land Rover Expert (that is recognised by LR) - been to the factory etc. Gave it a try in a quiet street and it pulls you up really quickly.

Apparently a couple he trained was told this and they had cause to use it as the husband passed out from a diabetic problem whilst driving on the freeway and the wife pulled the car up using this technique. I got my wife to try it today while I was driving so she's familiar with what happens just in case.

Apologies if this has been posted recently but I thought it was important.

Martin

[oldsalt]

Thanks Martin - I'm sure a lot of people on this forum may already know this procedure but if only one person learns from your post it's well worth it because it could save their life (and vehicle) so it's always worth mentioning...
cheers

[amazing]

my quattroporte does this too and limits force to 0.5g

Its becoming more like the American term for hand brake "emergency brake"

[Orangi]

Hi Martin -
We must have been on the same training course.
Having heard you mention the Forum I decided to join.
By the way where did you get your Nudge Bar installed as I see ECB is based in QLD?
Cheers Ho-Yen

[letherm]

Hi Ho-Yen.

Yes, they are in Qld.

On their web page there is a Find Your Nearest Dealer link. You put in your state and/or postcode and it lists dealers. I got mine supplied and fitted by Van Extras at Kings Park. I had used them before for my previous 4WD. They had a display and samples of the different finishes used.

Mine is the Silver Hammertone Powdercoat.

Martin

[ADMIRAL]

Gordon has this as part of his course, and you actually do it live. Feet off braking.

[BobD]

Gordon has this as part of his course, and you actually do it live. Feet off braking.


and on a dirt track which really puts the ABS to good use with the car stopping dead straight.

[discotwinturbo]

and on a dirt track which really puts the ABS to good use with the car stopping dead straight.

Nothing like doing 80kph down the power line track and Gordon tells you to pull the lever NOW!

My old man nearly went through the windscreen it brakes that hard, and that straight, and on notorious WA pee gravel.

Brett

[willem]

Hi everyone.

I did a one day LR training/get to know your new toy course last Sunday (paid for by the dealer)

The guy running it was giving hints and tips. I thought this one was good to know.

If a driver passes out, the passenger can pull up on the EPB tab and so long as they keep it held up the brakes (Not just the park brake) will be applied as though you had pushed the brake pedal to the floor. There will be a dashboard warning and the usual LR bonging noises. It works by using the ABS. The brake lights come on as well to warn cars behind. Once the car gets down below 3 KPH the hand brake come on and stays on and the car comes to a stop. I think he said the engine turns off - not sure. This happens even if the driver's foot is jammed onto the accelerator. The trainer is a recognised Land Rover Expert (that is recognised by LR) - been to the factory etc. Gave it a try in a quiet street and it pulls you up really quickly.

Apparently a couple he trained was told this and they had cause to use it as the husband passed out from a diabetic problem whilst driving on the freeway and the wife pulled the car up using this technique. I got my wife to try it today while I was driving so she's familiar with what happens just in case.

Apologies if this has been posted recently but I thought it was important.

Martin


I didn't know that. Thanks for the tip, Martin.


Willem.

[Naks]

This feature must be in a EU law, our 2014 Audi A3 also has this.

[benji]

Thank you for that.

I don't own one of those yet, but it's something important to know.

[camel_landy]

It's a feature for all cars fitted with the EPB. So, it is now on all cars, other than the Defender.

It's also worth noting that it'll also work, even with the accelerator down!

FWIW - I wish I had this 20yrs ago when I had a driver colapse from a stroke, whilst at speed on a motorway!!! :o

M

[Tom D4]

Hi All, Many thanks for this tip. Aulro certainly is a very useful resource, Cheers, Tom

[Orangi]

Thanks Martin. Will give a call to get an idea on price.

[Marty110]

so, just to be clear, this applies to my 2008 TDV8 RRS? I guess I should read the manual........:p

[discotwinturbo]

so, just to be clear, this applies to my 2008 TDV8 RRS? I guess I should read the manual........:p

Works in a friends 2008 D3....
Brett.....

[Plane Fixer]

Works for me as I tried it on a gravel road with the foot hard on the accelerator. The car pulled up quickly and straight.
A nice safety feature my wife now knows about.

[camel_landy]

so, just to be clear, this applies to my 2008 TDV8 RRS? I guess I should read the manual........:p

Yes (on both counts).

M

[rb30gtr]

And it is also a hilarious feature to test.
Especially if it is on a dirt track, private property in woop woop with someone else driving that hates Land Rover...

But yes, a great safety feature also!

[Celtoid]

It used to mentioned this in the FAQs ... may still be there ... but wasn't very informative.


My idea of info is not take your new car on a gravel road and 'try' this (or words to that affect), without a bit more info on what actually happens.


Thank you OP for starting this thread ... this level of info should be added to the FAQs.


Cheers,


Kev.

[letherm]

Was telling my son about this and he asked a good question. What happens if your brakes have failed if you pull the EPB lever. In a normal car this would activate the parking brake via a cable.

Would the parking brake still be applied if the normal brakes have failed?

Martin

[discotwinturbo]

Was telling my son about this and he asked a good question. What happens if your brakes have failed if you pull the EPB lever. In a normal car this would activate the parking brake via a cable. Would the parking brake still be applied if the normal brakes have failed? Martin

Maybe then, you number is up.

Brett....

[BobD]

I haven't tried it but I assume you would use it the normal way by a single pull on the lever with your foot off the accelerator and it would work as it does when parked, rather than as an emergency brake as it does when you hold the lever up continuously.

Would this be correct, Gordon?

Bob

[gghaggis]

No, the epb won''t operate whilst the car is moving at any speed. It would still activate the transmission downshifts, but it won't do miracles.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Naks]

No, the epb won''t operate whilst the car is moving at any speed. It would still activate the transmission downshifts, but it won't do miracles.
Cheers,
Gordon

Incorrect.

If you pull up and hold the EPB, this is telling the vehicle you want to perform an emergency stop.

Irrespective of other driver inputs, the ECU will then bring the vehicle to a standstill as quickly as possible by applying maximum braking power to all wheels (ABS, DSC, etc. will still come into effect).

So even if the driver has his foot planted on the accelerator, this procedure will still work.

[gghaggis]

Dearie me ......

Following from BobD's post, if you apply the EPB NORMALLY ( ie you momentarily pull it up), it will not activate at speed. Of course, if you hold it on for 2 sec, the emergency stop algorithm will be implemented. But that doesn't activate the EPB!

Clearer?

[Graeme]

Would the parking brake still be applied if the normal brakes have failed?Yes. According to the manual the EPB will be applied as a last resort if the vehicle is not slowing as expected when the EPB lever is held up.

[BobD]

Thanks Gordon.

[Celtoid]

I don't think this conversation is being helped by the fact that the lever commonly referred to as the EPB may or may not actually work as a park brake .... depending on the parameters.


And the same lever is being used to initiate an emergency braking system, under certain parameters..... but not the park brake....


Clear ....LOL????

[gghaggis]

You're right, and me trying to type responses on a phone isn't helping. So to be clear(er):

If the braking system is working normally, pulling up on the EPB lever whilst travelling over the cut-off speed (5kph) will not engage the EPB - a momentary application (as per when you're applying the EPB to park) will have no effect. Holding the lever up for over 1 ~ 2 seconds will engage the emergency stop routine, which doesn't invoke the EPB mechanism, but uses the ABS/ETC/DSC/transmission to stop you as fast as possible without losing line, for as long as you hold it up (caveat: the EPB will engage once you're under 5 kph).

However, if the disc braking system is NOT working: again a momentary application of the EPB lever at speeds above 5 kph will do nothing; holding up the lever to invoke the emergency stop will (as a last resort) engage the EPB proportionally, such that skidding is not invoked (along with the transmission braking).

Hopefully, that's clear.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Crosbo]

Great info!

[Basil135]

Just so that I can get this clear in my head, EPB...

Does it mean:

Emergency & Parking Brake

or

Electronic Parking Brake

or

EEEEKKKK Panic Braking



:confused: