3.2 Ford Ranger Transplant.

[voltron]

Has anyone SERIOUSLY thought about this transplant into their Defender in Australia? I know its been done in the U.K

The 3.2 are definately affordable now in wrecking yards keeping in mind that is just the purchase cost of the engine and hopefully wiring harness and loom. Not a simple job but it certainly must be doable, and simpler then alot of other transplants I have seen done before. What do all you experts think the biggest problem would be???? I hassle my mechanic friend all the time about this, and he thinks its a great idea, but his experience is with Japanese petrol rice burner transplants.

I keep telling myself this is where the money you save on the initial purchase price on the defender was meant to go.

Cheers.

Ford Ranger Engine 3 2 P5AT Diesel Turbo PX 10 11 11 12 13 14 15 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-RANGER-ENGINE-3-2-P5AT-DIESEL-TURBO-PX-10-11-11-12-13-14-15-/231063000145)

[Drover]

Now we are talking....been considering this my self.

Pete Bell from BAS in the UK will supply the wiring loom, dash electrics etc.

The 3.2 ranger motor is not jap engine. It is in fact one of the ford Durtorq engines, basically it is the PUMA engine with an extra cylinder !

Run same engine mounts, gear box patern is the same (3.2L runs an upgraded MT 82 - bigger bearings same 6 speed).

Plenty of room between the existing 2.4/2.2 and radiator.

And at $5600 what a way to go !

[voltron]

Now we are talking....been considering this my self.

Pete Bell from BAS in the UK will supply the wiring loom, dash electrics etc.

!

I find it interesting they are willing to supply all the wiring loom. Considering all the developement they have done.

But how awesome is that price. Those engines are not even more then 5 years old. I realise there is the option of reprogramming the 2.2 but that doesn't fix the displacement issue and pushing a small motor creates greater stress loads and generates more heat.

Cheers

[n plus one]

I plan to do this swap once my 110 hits the 250k market - I'm planning on shipping the truck O/S eventually and will want a refresh at roughly this distance, so might as well do it right!

Only 150k to go...:p

[uninformed]

you will need the rear of the LR MT-82 gearbox to bolt up to the LT230 as the Mazda/Ford versions will be different.

You will also need a small fortune to buy the Harness from Bell.

If you are putting one in a non-Tdci Defender you would also need to sort all fuel lines and tank pump etc making sure they are compatable with the new engine.

Anything can be done, its just a matter of dollars.

IMO if the engine costs $6000, you are not going to convert a Defender fully sorted for less than $13-15k

[n plus one]

you will need the rear of the LR MT-82 gearbox to bolt up to the LT230 as the Mazda/Ford versions will be different.

You will also need a small fortune to buy the Harness from Bell.

If you are putting one in a non-Tdci Defender you would also need to sort all fuel lines and tank pump etc making sure they are compatable with the new engine.

Anything can be done, its just a matter of dollars.

IMO if the engine costs $6000, you are not going to convert a Defender fully sorted for less than $13-15k

Sweet, I budgeted for $20k :D

[Drover]

You will also need a small fortune to buy the Harness from Bell

Yep, I reckon.

I sent Pete an email for quote on all the bits other motor and box.

I know Pete charges £20k for the full conversion, but that's supplying motor/box and labour.

[Cobber]

Yeah definitely a big expense! Talk of getting an engine out of a ranger from a wreckers brings along it's own risks though ... obviously the less miles the better off it will (probably) be but you don't know how it was treated in its former life ... And those Rangers fairly moooove ;)

[Big Unit]

Why do you wish to change from the 2.2 to the 3.2

[uninformed]

what happend to all the other replies???

[sheerluck]

what happend to all the other replies???

Him big cheese, he say they go poof!

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/aulro-admin-news/announcements.html

[Drover]

what happend to all the other replies???

Good question.......? Mods......?

[sheerluck]

Good question.......? Mods......?

There's only so many ways I can say this. Read the link above, or look for a "System Announcement" at the top of the page.

Short version....anything posted since 1am is lost due to database crash.

[jakeslouw]

Pity we lost some posts there, ah isn't IT glorious? :p

Does anybody have a price on the BAS ECU and harness kit yet?

Does anybody know why a full sequential programmable PETROL ECU can't be coded to do diesel injection?

Where's Dougal?

Surely it's just injection timing, duration, and then tell the ECU not to do ignition?
Or does the diesel ECU have to handle volume as well? As in how much the injectors open for CC per sec, not how long as in duration?

[loanrangie]

Why do you wish to change from the 2.2 to the 3.2

Seriously ?, torque, power, torque, power.... did i mention torque and power ?
The TD5 should have been a 3ltr not an asthmatic courier van engine.

[frantic]

you will need the rear of the LR MT-82 gearbox to bolt up to the LT230 as the Mazda/Ford versions will be different.

You will also need a small fortune to buy the Harness from Bell.

If you are putting one in a non-Tdci Defender you would also need to sort all fuel lines and tank pump etc making sure they are compatable with the new engine.

Anything can be done, its just a matter of dollars.

IMO if the engine costs $6000, you are not going to convert a Defender fully sorted for less than $13-15k

At that price you would have LOTS of interest, and if there was an Aussie conversion I would be interested when my 02 td5 diesel . Like to know the price of conversion plus a gearbox adaptor plate for the older 5 spd's.
Please keep us posted if you do it.:D
P.s as to a different pump/ tank and lines, it would good excuse to fit a long range tank. ;)

[Drover]

Yeah definitely a big expense! Talk of getting an engine out of a ranger from a wreckers brings along it's own risks though ... obviously the less miles the better off it will (probably) be but you don't know how it was treated in its former life ... And those Rangers fairly moooove ;)

Got an email back from engine supplier,

It's got 37,000k's, March 2012 build date, 12 month warranty.
Will do motor gear combo for $6500.

Not bad me thinks......

Still waiting for reply from Pete at BAS on loom etc

[Slunnie]

Sounds like it would be a good replacement for the TD5. Be good if it adapted to the ZF.

[voltron]

Pity we lost some posts there, ah isn't IT glorious? :p

Does anybody have a price on the BAS ECU and harness kit yet?

Does anybody know why a full sequential programmable PETROL ECU can't be coded to do diesel injection?

Where's Dougal?

Surely it's just injection timing, duration, and then tell the ECU not to do ignition?
Or does the diesel ECU have to handle volume as well? As in how much the injectors open for CC per sec, not how long as in duration?

I asked this a while back because there are alot of good programmable petrol ECU's used on turbo'd rice burners. Sombody said the deisel doesn't work very well with these for a variety of reasons, or they haven't really developed them to work with diesel motors, something along those lines anyway.

[voltron]

Got an email back from engine supplier,

It's got 37,000k's, March 2012 build date, 12 month warranty.
Will do motor gear combo for $6500.

Not bad me thinks......

Still waiting for reply from Pete at BAS on loom etc

Be very interesting to hear what the price is set at for the loom etc. That's a very good price for such a low km motor and box combo.

[jakeslouw]

I asked this a while back because there are alot of good programmable petrol ECU's used on turbo'd rice burners. Sombody said the deisel doesn't work very well with these for a variety of reasons, or they haven't really developed them to work with diesel motors, something along those lines anyway.

Yeah got the same.

No real reasons specified though.

I'm busy trying to get info out of these guys:

Spitronics Engine Management (http://www.spitronics.co.za/products/venus_racing.php)

[uninformed]

At that price you would have LOTS of interest, and if there was an Aussie conversion I would be interested when my 02 td5 diesel . Like to know the price of conversion plus a gearbox adaptor plate for the older 5 spd's.
Please keep us posted if you do it.:D
P.s as to a different pump/ tank and lines, it would good excuse to fit a long range tank. ;)

That price would be ex harness. IMO going back to the 5 speed would only be to save money. The 6 speed MT-82/85 is a better box all round.

[frantic]

That price would be ex harness. IMO going back to the 5 speed would only be to save money. The 6 speed MT-82/85 is a better box all round.
Yes it would save money, as most defenders are 5spd, (only 07 on had the 6spd) but also make more sense as the 5spd is pretty robust and many may have also modified their gearbox along with other items.
So the costs so far are:
Engine $5-6500 with gearbox (how much without?)
Installation , $6-10,000 depending upon issues. Maybe a LR tank and new pump + pipes.
ECU, $?????

[uninformed]

Yes it would save money, as most defenders are 5spd, (only 07 on had the 6spd) but also make more sense as the 5spd is pretty robust and many may have also modified their gearbox along with other items.
So the costs so far are:
Engine $5-6500 with gearbox (how much without?)
Installation , $6-10,000 depending upon issues. Maybe a LR tank and new pump + pipes.
ECU, $?????


and dont forget your custom adaptor for the 3.2 - R380

[Big Unit]

Seriously ?, torque, power, torque, power.... did i mention torque and power ?
The TD5 should have been a 3ltr not an asthmatic courier van engine.

You answered my question.

I was considering the new 2.2 Defender. But I need to tow a 2 tonne caravan.
It sounds that it will be underpowered and inadequate for the job.

[voltron]

You answered my question.

I was considering the new 2.2 Defender. But I need to tow a 2 tonne caravan.
It sounds that it will be underpowered and inadequate for the job.

Apparently it does it fine, you just gotta share the truck lane with them pushing you from behind at times.

[debruiser]

You answered my question.

I was considering the new 2.2 Defender. But I need to tow a 2 tonne caravan.
It sounds that it will be underpowered and inadequate for the job.

I've towed 2+ton a few times in the D90. Gets along pretty good if you ask me. Runs out of steam in 6th on hills though... but lets not start the towing in 6th debate. A 110 would be a great tow vehicle.

[Hendrik]

Interesting read.

My father and I just completed a full transplant of this engine with the manual gearbox into a Jag Mk2. All the old electrics were ditched and we transplanted the full wiring loom (engine and body) into the vehicle. It took us a while to get our heads around the CANBUS system but eventually managed to get the ABS and ESP and everything else to work, the car's handling is amazing and pulls up very quickly. We sourced everything we needed from a dismantler in Adelaide, and everything was shipped up to QLD in boxes. This did present a number of issues, with other stuff that had to be sourced along the way.

I now want to do a similar conversion into an RRC, with the 6 speed auto. This time I intend to get a donor vehicle, it works out much cheaper and you get to dismantle everything yourself and you can take notes and photographs on how everything is meant to go back together. Given that the RRCs electric's aren't that great anyway, I will get rid of all of it and transplant the Ranger looms over.

The challenge will be to get the auto mounted to the LT230, I think a divorce option will probably the easiest unless I can get a custom gear box output shaft made. I should also be able to get the high range gearing to work if I change from a 1.22 ratio to 1.003, meaning RPM at 100kph should be around 1600 mark, which is similar to the standard ranger.

[grinna1965]

Our workshop has a 3.2 with a mt82 bolted to it ready to run on the floor.it will be running in approximately 4 weeks.we will have a few options available one being with the mt82 or with the mt82/85 made up box.we also have an adaptor in the pipe line for the ford 6r80 auto so we can put that behind the 3.2 or 2.2 we have done miles of research on these conversion.you will not need to change the dash or have any major wiring harness problems as they did in the uk with earlier conversions.full costings are not available as yet.any body wanting more info please feel free to contact Glenn at Momentum 4x4 02 65853200 i will be only to happy to answer your question

[Baytown]

I tow a 2 1/2 ton off road van with my 2.2 110 no issues. Since I've installed the 170 BAS map and cooling upgrades, even better.
its no supercharged Discovery 4, but it's fine.
That being said, I'd love the 3.2 in my truck when the time comes for a new engine.

Ken
123289


You answered my question.

I was considering the new 2.2 Defender. But I need to tow a 2 tonne caravan.
It sounds that it will be underpowered and inadequate for the job.

[nismine01]

I take it everything is different to the TD5 in my Disco. I would love to replace the 2.5 with a 3.2 but it seems out of the question.

Mind you, throw enough dollars at a problem it goes away, so, anyone got some spare readies to help me?[bigsmile]

Cheers

Mike

[grinna1965]

Yes my 2.2 has all the bells and whistles as well but you cant beat cubic capacity for towing.Dont get me wrong the 2.2 does a pretty mighty job but you cant deny it could be better

[grinna1965]

I take it everything is different to the TD5 in my Disco. I would love to replace the 2.5 with a 3.2 but it seems out of the question.

Mind you, throw enough dollars at a problem it goes away, so, anyone got some spare readies to help me?[bigsmile]

Cheers

Mike
It shouldn't be a problem as we can run the 3.2 in anything.The biggest issue will be which transmission you would like to run

[Vern]

It shouldn't be a problem as we can run the 3.2 in anything.The biggest issue will be which transmission you would like to run
What spline are the output shafts on both boxes?

[Pickles2]

Yes, it would be great to have more grunt under the bonnet of our Defender.
But a transplant is, no matter what anyone says, an extremely complex matter,....if it was just a matter of "dropping in" an engine, that would be easy, but it ain't that simple, as anyone who does one, will find out.
In fact, when comparing what the U.K. tuning guys can do with the 2.2, I don't know whether a 3.2 is worthwhile,....if I was going to do a transplant,...it would be something worthwhile,....like an LS3.
Pickles.

[grinna1965]

Yes, it would be great to have more grunt under the bonnet of our Defender.
But a transplant is, no matter what anyone says, an extremely complex matter,....if it was just a matter of "dropping in" an engine, that would be easy, but it ain't that simple, as anyone who does one, will find out.
In fact, when comparing what the U.K. tuning guys can do with the 2.2, I don't know whether a 3.2 is worthwhile,....if I was going to do a transplant,...it would be something worthwhile,....like an LS3.
Pickles.
We have fitted ls3 into rrc before duramax 6.6 into patrols so were not new to conversions.My self i prefer diesels.We also remap a lot of 3.2 rangers and believe me there is no comparison to a 2.2 with everything you could imagine done to it.The 3.2 to is the easiest conversion possible into a defender.If you really wanted to make it worth it i would love to put a duramax in for you but you better bring some decent diff,axles,brakes etc.The 3.2 will make what is already a great vehicle so much better with no more problems than a ford ranger

[Pickles2]

We have fitted ls3 into rrc before duramax 6.6 into patrols so were not new to conversions.My self i prefer diesels.We also remap a lot of 3.2 rangers and believe me there is no comparison to a 2.2 with everything you could imagine done to it.The 3.2 to is the easiest conversion possible into a defender.If you really wanted to make it worth it i would love to put a duramax in for you but you better bring some decent diff,axles,brakes etc.The 3.2 will make what is already a great vehicle so much better with no more problems than a ford ranger
All good.
The main thing with any conversion is that the person/company doing same knows what they are doing, so that the customer gets a seamless journey to his new powerplant,....you guys seem to be able to provide that. Comments from a few recipients (and yourself of course!) of your expertise in this regard would be welcome, so we could all learn more?
Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

You answered my question.

I was considering the new 2.2 Defender. But I need to tow a 2 tonne caravan.
It sounds that it will be underpowered and inadequate for the job.
It's not a problem with six gears.

[Slunnie]

It shouldn't be a problem as we can run the 3.2 in anything.The biggest issue will be which transmission you would like to run

Hey Grinna, I thought that I had read something somewhere a while ago about the 3.2 and auto being mated to the LT230 but there wasn't enough clearance to run the front propshaft. Do you anticipate that this will or wont be a problem?

Also do you think that the 3.2 with its auto to LT230 is achievable for a Disco2.

Or would the 3.2 need to be mated to something like the 4HP24, and would the electronic control work without the TD5 ECU?

[MLD]

It's not a problem with six gears.

be mindful that 6th is not fit for towing duties over the long term. if i had to tow a 2 tonne van i'd be considering other engines. The defender will do it, but there are better tow vehicles out there that will make short work of 2 tonne. Starting with a SDV6. Considering the un-natural jump in asking prices of a youthful defender you could pick up a similar aged D4 and do it in style, comfort and endless torque.

[Cammo]

Any word on how yours is progressing, Mark?

[MLD]

Any word on how yours is progressing, Mark?

Long sad story best told after a 6 pack. MLD

[grinna1965]

we have been very busy with work commitments, shows and trying to move into our new premises
the engine is now running on a stand and programmable, next step is to fit it into vehicle. shall keep you posted
shouldnt be to far off but we do have mountains of work in front of us which takes priority over this project

https://youtu.be/e3SSU_rnMf4

[1nando]

Working vehicles have engines that produce just the right amount of power and torque to get a job done. You see to much power and too much torque leads to broken drive components. If any of you ever drove a truck loaded at payload you would say that its underpowered not realizing that truck will pull that load all day, everyday and be relaible. The truck could be built with a bigger more powerful motor but then you risk your drive train. The 3.2 in the rangers reads well on paper and no doubt would pull a lot better than the 2.2. However the 2.2 has proven itself in the transit which is renowned for high milage and hard work. The 3.2 is in my opinion not necessary in the defender, mine wont ever win any races but it pulls heavy loads and does it whilst producing low egts and being quiet frugal on fuel. Thats the other thing working vehicles have is decent fuel use, too much power and a working vehicle becomes a not so working vehicle as its to expensive to run. My opinion

[LR V8]

we have been very busy with work commitments, shows and trying to move into our new premises
the engine is now running on a stand and programmable, next step is to fit it into vehicle. shall keep you posted
shouldnt be to far off but we do have mountains of work in front of us which takes priority over this project

Awesome work, thanks for the update [thumbsupbig]

[Slunnie]

Working vehicles have engines that produce just the right amount of power and torque to get a job done. You see to much power and too much torque leads to broken drive components. If any of you ever drove a truck loaded at payload you would say that its underpowered not realizing that truck will pull that load all day, everyday and be relaible. The truck could be built with a bigger more powerful motor but then you risk your drive train. The 3.2 in the rangers reads well on paper and no doubt would pull a lot better than the 2.2. However the 2.2 has proven itself in the transit which is renowned for high milage and hard work. The 3.2 is in my opinion not necessary in the defender, mine wont ever win any races but it pulls heavy loads and does it whilst producing low egts and being quiet frugal on fuel. Thats the other thing working vehicles have is decent fuel use, too much power and a working vehicle becomes a not so working vehicle as its to expensive to run. My opinion

Thats what people said about the Series 2.25 diesel also.

[grinna1965]

Working vehicles have engines that produce just the right amount of power and torque to get a job done. You see to much power and too much torque leads to broken drive components. If any of you ever drove a truck loaded at payload you would say that its underpowered not realizing that truck will pull that load all day, everyday and be relaible. The truck could be built with a bigger more powerful motor but then you risk your drive train. The 3.2 in the rangers reads well on paper and no doubt would pull a lot better than the 2.2. However the 2.2 has proven itself in the transit which is renowned for high milage and hard work. The 3.2 is in my opinion not necessary in the defender, mine wont ever win any races but it pulls heavy loads and does it whilst producing low egts and being quiet frugal on fuel. Thats the other thing working vehicles have is decent fuel use, too much power and a working vehicle becomes a not so working vehicle as its to expensive to run. My opinion
I don't understand if your not interested in what where doing why waste your time giving a negative opinion if your not positive i really couldn't care less what you think most people realise the drive train is **** poor in a defender and needs upgrading any way

[1nando]

Thats what people said about the Series 2.25 diesel also.The 3.2 tdci makes more power and torque than my 2013 hino 5 ton tipper, which carries over 30 ton per day over the course of various deliveries.....but eh maybe i should put a 3.2 tdci in that too [emoji6]

[1nando]

I don't understand if your not interested in what where doing why waste your time giving a negative opinion if your not positive i really couldn't care less what you think most people realise the drive train is **** poor in a defender and needs upgrading any wayIm interested, im just high lighting some things that you need to take into consideration as part of any power increase. There are repercussions for such a big modification.

[Slunnie]

The 3.2 tdci makes more power and torque than my 2013 hino 5 ton tipper, which carries over 30 ton per day over the course of various deliveries.....but eh maybe i should put a 3.2 tdci in that too [emoji6]

Then you do that! :lol2::lol2:

[grinna1965]

Im interested, im just high lighting some things that you need to take into consideration as part of any power increase. There are repercussions for such a big modification.
I have been doing conversions all my life nothing is new to me or impossible to do.this conversion is probably the easiest one we have ever performed we know there will be a few teething issues but confident wont be to bad.we will not offer this for sale unless 100% satisfied.a few of the positives are that we change the power inputs from mild to wild so those that don't want massive increases in power we can cater for just having Moore cubic capacity coming on smoothly will be much nicer to drive

[Tins]

I have been doing conversions all my life nothing is new to me or impossible to do.this conversion is probably the easiest one we have ever performed we know there will be a few teething issues but confident wont be to bad.we will not offer this for sale unless 100% satisfied.a few of the positives are that we change the power inputs from mild to wild so those that don't want massive increases in power we can cater for just having Moore cubic capacity coming on smoothly will be much nicer to drive


Ok, I hear you. Would this conversion go back further? Say, a TD5, or even a 300TDi? Been thinking about a 2.7, but this could be better if it's possible. For me, budget is the issue, but I'm keen to hear your thoughts.

[jimr1]

Hi one and all , I'm really enjoying this thread . I posted this same question a few years back .It was basicly has anyone fitted a ford 3.2 into a Puma ? What I learned was you can buy a ford Ranger with a 2.2 or 3.2 . They have the same bell housing patern , and the engine mounts are in the same position . So a 3.2 will fit where the 2.2 sat . This was early days of the Ranger , but considering how many have now sold it was only a matter of time before Land Rover defender owners started the think about replacements as the 2.2 come to the end of there working lives . I'm sure that most of the plumbing wouldn't be to difficult . As would exhast and fuel lines. The tricky bit was always going to be the wireing and electrics . I'm sure a Ranger has an ECU so wouldn't it pay to use the the one from the doner vehicle as well as the wireing harness ? As more and more Rangers find there way to the wreckers the price will come down . As more 2.2 wear out . Lets face it people have been changing Land Rover engines for engines with more power since the series 1 even had a few myself , good old Holden Red motors . I even had a series 3 wagon with a 4.4 leyland motor . Jim

[MLD]

They have the same bell housing patern , and the engine mounts are in the same position . So a 3.2 will fit where the 2.2 sat ... . Jim

The 5 cylinder sits forward half a cylinder to the 4 pot and if you use the standard engine mount location the 3.2 engine fouls the bonnet even with the power bulge (hehehe). Options are to cut, drop by 1" and weld the engine mounts or make a drop engine mount for the same 1". Something to keep in mind is (i) whether this has a knock on affect to the TFC/gearbox mounts for alignment; and (ii) the sump to diff clearance. For the later the solution might be as simple as longer bump stops but you would want to do your measurements before letting loose on a Cape York trip with the fast washouts that sneak up on you on the PDR.

Well done Glenn, i'll be interested to see it fitted with all the adjustments sorted out. Eg, the steering box on the defender fouls the ancillaries on the Ranger engine, needing some rejigging & custom ancillary mounts. The Puma air filter box needs to be relocated. Not a biggy if you don't have extended front shocks mounts because you can put it over the guard but it is just another little thing to sort out.

[grinna1965]

The 5 cylinder sits forward half a cylinder to the 4 pot and if you use the standard engine mount location the 3.2 engine fouls the bonnet even with the power bulge (hehehe). Options are to cut, drop by 1" and weld the engine mounts or make a drop engine mount for the same 1". Something to keep in mind is (i) whether this has a knock on affect to the TFC/gearbox mounts for alignment; and (ii) the sump to diff clearance. For the later the solution might be as simple as longer bump stops but you would want to do your measurements before letting loose on a Cape York trip with the fast washouts that sneak up on you on the PDR.

Well done Glenn, i'll be interested to see it fitted with all the adjustments sorted out. Eg, the steering box on the defender fouls the ancillaries on the Ranger engine, needing some rejigging & custom ancillary mounts. The Puma air filter box needs to be relocated. Not a biggy if you don't have extended front shocks mounts because you can put it over the guard but it is just another little thing to sort out.thanks for the input but we are fairly well up on what needs to be done and we have most bases covered.thanks any way cheers

[chuck]

Could you include the six speed auto when doing this conversion?

[grinna1965]

Could you include the six speed auto when doing this conversion?
I have done a lot of research on this as well,i have sent an auto box to an engineering place in the uk who were very helpfull he does a lot of adaptors for some of the bigger names.he has done an adaptor for the larger 6r140 ford box to lt230 but not the 6r80.he could not get one at a reasonable price so i have sent him one.he has seen one done by another firm in the uk and said it wasn't to good.so one thing at a time,we will fit and run with manual first then fit the auto along with some up grades for the box.wich will fit 3.2 as well as 2.2

[grinna1965]

Ok, I hear you. Would this conversion go back further? Say, a TD5, or even a 300TDi? Been thinking about a 2.7, but this could be better if it's possible. For me, budget is the issue, but I'm keen to hear your thoughts.
Its not a problem to fit this engine into anything but would probably be out of most peoples budget

[Slunnie]

Hmmm, this motor isn't going to fit the Disco2 is it. I'm gathering if they had to fit the power hump bonnet to fit the 2.2 and the 3.2 doesnt fit under even that then its not going under the D2 bonnet which already touches the top of the TD5 cover. Bugger.

[fitzy]

Hmmm, this motor isn't going to fit the Disco2 is it. I'm gathering if they had to fit the power hump bonnet to fit the 2.2 and the 3.2 doesnt fit under even that then its not going under the D2 bonnet which already touches the top of the TD5 cover. Bugger.

What is there not to like about a td5,
You've already got cylinders, heaps of upgrades around anc they even sound [emoji4]

[Slunnie]

What is there not to like about a td5,
You've already got cylinders, heaps of upgrades around anc they even sound [emoji4]

I love the vehicle but just want more power. :lol2:

I'd really like the 3.0 TDV6 to be honest, but I just thought the 3.2 Ford motor would be easier.

[jimr1]

I've seen a picture of the 2'7 v6 fitted into a Defender in the LRO International mag a few years back . The conversion was done in the UK . The whole engine bay was chock a block . It was in but how anyone could work on it would have been realy difficult , but hay it was in there . Maybe the 3lt will be an engine option on the fantom new Defender ? Jim

[cripesamighty]

Also fitted the 2.7 into a D1 V8 as well.

[donh54]

I have done a lot of research on this as well,i have sent an auto box to an engineering place in the uk who were very helpfull he does a lot of adaptors for some of the bigger names.he has done an adaptor for the larger 6r140 ford box to lt230 but not the 6r80.he could not get one at a reasonable price so i have sent him one.he has seen one done by another firm in the uk and said it wasn't to good.so one thing at a time,we will fit and run with manual first then fit the auto along with some up grades for the box.wich will fit 3.2 as well as 2.2

There's a bloke down the road from me does a LOT of gearbox work! He made up all the bits and bobs for the factory Tremec installs for Ford IIRC. Mal woods Automotive

[grinna1965]

There's a bloke down the road from me does a LOT of gearbox work! He made up all the bits and bobs for the factory Tremec installs for Ford IIRC. Mal woods Automotive
All the stuff for the tremec is available of the shelf by the company I'm using thanks any way

[donh54]

All the stuff for the tremec is available of the shelf by the company I'm using thanks any way

I was pointing out the fact that Mal Woods does other gearbox conversions as well.
I've got to go past his place in the next couple of days, I'll ask him if he's had anything to do with the 3.2 / 6R80 yet.

[grinna1965]

I was pointing out the fact that Mal Woods does other gearbox conversions as well.
I've got to go past his place in the next couple of days, I'll ask him if he's had anything to do with the 3.2 / 6R80 yet.
Ok appreciate it thank you

[Tins]

I've seen a picture of the 2'7 v6 fitted into a Defender in the LRO International mag a few years back . The conversion was done in the UK . The whole engine bay was chock a block . It was in but how anyone could work on it would have been realy difficult , but hay it was in there . Maybe the 3lt will be an engine option on the fantom new Defender ? Jim


https://youtu.be/Y5l65FxR58o

[cripesamighty]

Yep, that's the one.

[Tins]

The whole engine bay was chock a block . It was in but how anyone could work on it would have been realy difficult , but hay it was in there . Maybe the 3lt will be an engine option on the fantom new Defender ? Jim

Seems to me that they'd be fun to work on in any of the vehicles they are fitted to. Must be a barrel of laughs in a Pug.

[DiscoMick]

Can I ask if the 2.2 and 3.2 use the same manual box?
Also, does the 3.2 need stiffer suspension for the weight difference?

[MLD]

Can I ask if the 2.2 and 3.2 use the same manual box?
Also, does the 3.2 need stiffer suspension for the weight difference?

both the 2.2 and 3.2 ranger engines use the MT82 box (core) same as the Puma defender. The difference between the ranger and defender is the extension housing to the TFC and the bell housing for the 3.2 is about 10mm larger than the defender version for the larger flywheel. The bell housing bolt pattern is the same as far as i'm aware. The bell housing off the 2.2 in theory would be the same size as the defender because it's the clutch and flywheel that is the need for a larger bell housing on the 3.2. Glenn (Grinna65) might be able to clarify the 2.2.

as for HD suspension, D130 (or 110HD) front coils should be adequate. Someone with a county might know their coil rates to compare to the 130 coil rates (225 lbs/in), the isuzu is heavier than the 3.2 by a country mile.

[DiscoMick]

I could be wrong but I think the front coils on a Defender are about 180 lb/in. The Defender HD front coils are the same as the standard 130 front coils.

[timax]

So any chance this can be combined with an Auto box into the Defender?
Sorry found the post.
After spending yesterday looking at Disco 4's i have come to the conclusion that my defender is still the best car for me but keen on the power with a good auto so ill be watching this thread closely.

[grinna1965]

So any chance this can be combined with an Auto box into the Defender?
If you look back through this thread you will see i have already adressed this

[frantic]

This is an interesting thread still. To me what it comes down to is cost and intended use.
AFAIK a LS1-3 v8 will cost about $15-25,000, maybe more or less depending on which options you want and if you do any work yourself.
The 3.2 td5 could be a similar price, maybe more, maybe less??? with better efficiency, but less powerrrrrr[bigsad]
...
The td5, puma3.2 and tdi all weigh at least 50-120kg MORE than the ls3 which is about 185kg.
The ls1-3 has a few kits available, marks and the usa one are the first to mind. Also with the patrol hand grenade there are several places who are experienced at these types of conversions.
The puma3.2 will be efficient and good for distance towing, but if the majority % of your driving is low km short distance, a similar cost ls3 will pay for the extra fuel cost with a grin factor.[biggrin]

[Pickles2]

This is an interesting thread still. To me what it comes down to is cost and intended use.
AFAIK a LS1-3 v8 will cost about $15-25,000, maybe more or less depending on which options you want and if you do any work yourself.
The 3.2 td5 could be a similar price, maybe more, maybe less??? with better efficiency, but less powerrrrrr[bigsad]
...
The td5, puma3.2 and tdi all weigh at least 50-120kg MORE than the ls3 which is about 185kg.
The ls1-3 has a few kits available, marks and the usa one are the first to mind. Also with the patrol hand grenade there are several places who are experienced at these types of conversions.
The puma3.2 will be efficient and good for distance towing, but if the majority % of your driving is low km short distance, a similar cost ls3 will pay for the extra fuel cost with a grin factor.[biggrin]
LS3 in our 90?...well even an LSA,...I'd love it,...but only a dream for me I'm afraid. Ya can buy crate engines for maybe $12-15K (LSA), but IMHO that's not the real cost, which probably would approach $40K at least by the time you install with transmission, diffs, brakes, electrics etc.
I see that Les Richmond are dropping an LS3 into a Puma as we speak,....I might go up for a sticky,...they seem to do quite a lot of this stuff,...they just installed an LSA into a Range Rover!
Pickles.

[frantic]

LS3 in our 90?...well even an LSA,...I'd love it,...but only a dream for me I'm afraid. Ya can buy crate engines for maybe $12-15K (LSA), but IMHO that's not the real cost, which probably would approach $40K at least by the time you install with transmission, diffs, brakes, electrics etc.
I see that Les Richmond are dropping an LS3 into a Puma as we speak,....I might go up for a sticky,...they seem to do quite a lot of this stuff,...they just installed an LSA into a Range Rover!
Pickles.
Most conversion places doing patrols are costing drive in/out $15-25k ls1-3(used low km engines from ss crummydore/hsv wrecks ls1 go from about 1500 to around 5500 for a l98 and about 7-9 for a ls3 with auto attached.) with a 4l60 or better option ins 6180 (cant remember exact code off top of my head). The advantage with a defender is the exhaust will be easier as they used to have the old RRC v8, and less electronics than a patrol. Ive spoken to a few and they all seem around that figure even on a defender. Marks have a kit down your way in Melbourne, and another option is the Kit from the USA that doesn't move the transfer case.
Gearbox, use the GM auto, Diffs: get Ashcroft gear or hytuff etc. Maybe put in a ATB in the transfercase? A lot of us already have lockers or lsd/atb in their centres.
$40k is using a new engine, gearbox, and you ticking the W407 box id say? [biggrin]

For about $50k your looking at a 6.6 duramax....

[Pickles2]

Most conversion places doing patrols are costing drive in/out $15-25k ls1-3(used low km engines from ss crummydore/hsv wrecks ls1 go from about 1500 to around 5500 for a l98 and about 7-9 for a ls3 with auto attached.) with a 4l60 or better option ins 6180 (cant remember exact code off top of my head). The advantage with a defender is the exhaust will be easier as they used to have the old RRC v8, and less electronics than a patrol. Ive spoken to a few and they all seem around that figure even on a defender. Marks have a kit down your way in Melbourne, and another option is the Kit from the USA that doesn't move the transfer case.
Gearbox, use the GM auto, Diffs: get Ashcroft gear or hytuff etc. Maybe put in a ATB in the transfercase? A lot of us already have lockers or lsd/atb in their centres.
$40k is using a new engine, gearbox, and you ticking the W407 box id say? [biggrin]

For about $50k your looking at a 6.6 duramax....
W407?...some sort of Walkinshaw upgrade?
Pickles.

[Slunnie]

W407?...some sort of Walkinshaw upgrade?
Pickles.

Why stuff around when you can have a W547!

Just waiting for some laughable to say the 2.2 is better because it has low down torque.

[1nando]

What about a rb26 dett with twin 35rs, front mounted cooler, turbo smart external gate, straight through 3 and 1/2 inch exhausts, vipec ecu and twin bosh 044 pumps......should push out over 900 hp and sooo much torque that it'd blow the gearbox with one dump of the clutch. Just waiting for some laughable to tell me that the 547 is a better engine than an rb26 dett.

[1nando]

What about a rb26 dett with twin 35rs, front mounted cooler, turbo smart external gate, straight through 3 and 1/2 inch exhausts, vipec ecu and twin bosh 044 pumps......should push out oover 1000 hp and sooo much torque that it'd blow the puma gearbox with one dump of the clutch. Just waiting for some laughable to tell me that any GM made v8 is a better engine than an rb26 dett.....you could probably use a modified patrol box and transfer case too.
3.2 sounds good in a defender, petrol v8 in a 4wd.......its called a g wagon and you can buy it off the show room floor

[Northy]

I'd go 2j any day over rb [biggrin]

[1nando]

Rb is king of the drag strip and the circuit [emoji6]

[Northy]

2j all day

[1nando]

Never had one keep up with me or my 720rwhp silvia....too heavy

[Pickles2]

What about a rb26 dett with twin 35rs, front mounted cooler, turbo smart external gate, straight through 3 and 1/2 inch exhausts, vipec ecu and twin bosh 044 pumps......should push out oover 1000 hp and sooo much torque that it'd blow the puma gearbox with one dump of the clutch. Just waiting for some laughable to tell me that any GM made v8 is a better engine than an rb26 dett.....you could probably use a modified patrol box and transfer case too.
3.2 sounds good in a defender, petrol v8 in a 4wd.......its called a g wagon and you can buy it off the show room floor
OK,...I'll be "some laughable", & I'll say that the "rb26" & any "GM V8" is a VERY general statement, VERY general. In fact these engines are so different & available in so many different configurations that any direct general comparison is absolutely meaningless.
Pickles.

[PAT303]

I've just spent the last 10 days or so doing the connie sue in a 3.2ltre Ranger.All I'll say is the transplant is not worth the money.The 3.2 is good but no way is it good enough to justify the cost of transplanting one into a 2.2 or 2.4 Defender.Do an Alive or BASS upgrade,if that's not enough buy another vehicle. Pat

[grinna1965]

I've just spent the last 10 days or so doing the connie sue in a 3.2ltre Ranger.All I'll say is the transplant is not worth the money.The 3.2 is good but no way is it good enough to justify the cost of transplanting one into a 2.2 or 2.4 Defender.Do an Alive or BASS upgrade,if that's not enough buy another vehicle. Pat
Love then negatives thanks Pat the 3.2 tuned properly so torque comes in early like a 2.2 defender but with real torque will be awesome in a defender i still don't understand why people have to be negative when some one tries to do some thing different,why don't you wait till its done then give your apinion and come and drive it then you can rubbish it but i bet you wont.its not for everyone but at least were trying to succeed in somthing for those who want some extra mumbo. Dont kid your self Pat a standard 3.2 is far better than any tuned 2.2. I know because we remap and work on both vehicles all the time and if the standard 3.2 isn't enough we will remap it so you can break shxxxt

[PAT303]

Sorry mate,just giving my opinion.I won't bother replying from now on,obviously you only want to hear what you want to hear,not that I really give a ****,I'd rather be travelling Australia in my standard Defenders instead of having them in bits in a shed and acting like an arse on an internet forum. Pat

[grinna1965]

Sorry mate,just giving my opinion.I won't bother replying from now on,obviously you only want to hear what you want to hear,not that I really give a ****,I'd rather be travelling Australia in my standard Defenders instead of having them in bits in a shed and acting like an arse on an internet forum. Pat
I'm not acting like an ass,you know the old saying if you ain't got nothing good to say,why say it

[Witchdoctor]

Watching with great interest grinner1965.

Keep up the good work, love seeing work outside the Land Rover norm for Defenders.

Cheers
Dave

[frantic]

Why stuff around when you can have a W547!

Just waiting for some laughable to say the 2.2 is better because it has low down torque.
Because in nsw you can't put a blown 6.2v8 in a d90😀 From what I understand N/A is weight x5 for capacity, and forced is 3x from what I've read. Yes it's an old and stupid formula.
Also to the person who said buy a g wagen, with a amg 400kw blown 5.5l v8 you looking at over $250,000. Whereas you can fit a hsv 317kw/ walknishaw 407kw/SS 290kw motor for about 10% of that price. If you want to go blown you need a 110wagon in nsw. Then you can do 6.2and 550kw😳!
Ive seen a few tuned rangers , they go very well , but you can cook the engine if not careful!

[Slunnie]

Because in nsw you can't put a blown 6.2v8 in a d90😀 From what I understand N/A is weight x5 for capacity, and forced is 3x from what I've read. Yes it's an old and stupid formula.
Also to the person who said buy a g wagen, with a amg 400kw blown 5.5l v8 you looking at over $250,000. Whereas you can fit a hsv 317kw/ walknishaw 407kw/SS 290kw motor for about 10% of that price. If you want to go blown you need a 110wagon in nsw. Then you can do 6.2and 550kw😳!
Ive seen a few tuned rangers , they go very well , but you can cook the engine if not careful!

Not necessarily, but thats a whole different thing to what I was talking about.

"Table LA1 does not apply to commercial (ADR Category NA and NB1) or four wheel drive off-road
(ADR category MC) type vehicles such as commercial vans, light trucks, small buses, etc. for
which there are no set recommended limits."
https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP3_Section_LA_Engine_01jan2011_v3.pdf

[komaterpillar]

Grinna great work and I am following with great interest, even though it is probably something i wouldnt consider for my own 110.

This thread is an accurate depiction of this whole forum, however on a smaller scale. Great information and a great read from a few, but plenty of ******* who have something to say just for the point of being heard, regardless of the relevance or value to the thread.