SD Roll Cage

[Iain_B]

I was asked for a few photos of my Safety Device Roll cage and roof rack, so here they are. Having a few problem loading up. System keeps timing out

Attachement points of the cage at the rear. They go inside the body, then back out through the floor to attach to the chassis.

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Top right corner, you can just see the cage support coming through the floor and going to the rear cross member.

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The snorkel needed "modification" I had to get a new flexible one, as the old rigid one would not fit.

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In order to fit the snorkel and get a decent seal, I had to heat up the plastic with a heat gun, and push it onto the support. After a few goes, it moulded to the shape OK the rest of the gap was filled with Sikaflex.

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[alittlebitconcerned]

Thanks for posting the pucs.

I'm considering buying the same type for my Puma and have a few questions if you dont mind.

Have you noticed any increased noise when at highway speed?
Have you noticed any change in fuel usage?
Does the car handle different now?

Matt

[Iain_B]

When I bought my Defender, I got the OEM full length roof rack with a few days, so I can only compare it to that. Kind of hard to tell if it is noisier, but my roof rack is quieter than the OEM on I used to have. The body seems is a lot stiffer, so a lot less rattles

I can't say much about fuel consumption, seems about the same as with the OEM roof rack on, I did notice a drop in fuel consumption taking the roof rack off when I was driving it around before the cage was fitted. As soon as I had the cage fitted, the next day I fitted my roof rack.

It is a lot stiffer, and feels more solid. On heavy corrugations, my front door used to hit the a pillar, took the paint off. Now the doors hardly move at all. On a trip up to Cape York on bad corrugations, we had the B pillar trim fall off, the plastic clips breaks etc. On our lap around Australia, none of that happened and we had about double the load on the roof when on the Anne Beadell with 75litres of extra fuel on top.

Most important is the wife is much happier in it, feels a lot safer having something to offer a bit a protection than just a little bit of cast aluminium.

[n plus one]

Thanks for those pics very useful to those of us contemplating a cage - is there any chance of one showing the intrusion into the rear cargo area at the back, or do the brackets going to the cross member jusy sit in behind the speaker panel?

[voltron]

Ian, what does the part of the cage around the windscreen bolt too and do you just cut through the panelling to get to attach it? Also the cage obviously stiffens the car up so how does it allow the car to flex appropriately? I only ask because I had a custom cage made and they were adamant that not all points should connect to the chassis or the car wouldn't be able to flex as it's intended.
I was hesitant to follow this advice but once I understood the design I was put at ease.

I really wanted to go for the SD cage but the unknown with NSW regulations forced me towards getting one built locally.

Cheers.

[Drover]

I really wanted to go for the SD cage but the unknown with NSW regulations forced me towards getting one built locally.

Cheers.

I read somewhere on here that they can be classified as a roof rack, thus avoiding the whole roll cage requirements.

[n plus one]

I read somewhere on here that they can be classified as a roof rack, thus avoiding the whole roll cage requirements.

Leave out the internal braces and you should be good to go - no different to most of the Jeep Wrangler racks.

[Iain_B]

The cage is attached to the chassis at 6 points, inside the front wings is a substantial bit of bracing that goes down to the chassis as well. There is nothing of any strength in an aluminium wing or floor, so if it was not mounted on the chassis, there would be no point at all. There are six cut outs in the wings/body. SD even have the instruction online if you want to see how it goes together.
http://www.safetydevices.com/uploads/rollcage/290.pdf

I left out the internal hoop that attaches at the seat belt mounts and goes through the roof to the cage as fitting that would make it a "Roll Cage" and require engineering etc, not impossible to get and maybe I will fit it one day , but the six point cage is TUV approved. It is classfied as a roof rack here in QLD, and has an added benefit of maybe being a roll cage :)

As far as "letting it flex" theory, sorry but that sounds like BS, a Defender not a is truck with a flexible chassis, I have one of those and there are huge differences. The body is rigidly mounted to the frame, not three point pivots or springs so any flexing would destroy the body. I would rather trust the Safety Devices engineering who have been building these cages for years, built them for the Camel trophy, have TUV approval etc.

Safety Devices » Safety Devices Land Rover roll cages gain German TUV approval » News Article (http://www.safetydevices.com/expedition/news-article/22/Safety+Devices+Land+Rover+roll+cages+gain+German+T UV+approval/)

I have the equipment and skills to build my own roll cage, it would have been a lot cheaper but I went with the SD cage as it is properly engineered and tested.

[Iain_B]

To get around the "Engineering" I was thinking of making a rather substantial cargo barrier just behind the front seat when we are in touring mode after all, they don't seem to need approval :):angel::angel:

[Drover]

Hi Iain,

Did you fit it your self or have it done by the supplier or someone else ?

Don't like to ask but what was cost of supply ? And fitted ?

Happy for you to PM if that's better for you ?

Cheers
Grant

[voltron]

Getting an internal hoop engineered is not a big deal as I thought it would be, it basically just needs to meet clearance tolerances for the passengers and drivers head and thats about it, the only part of the SD cage the engineer wasn't so sure was the part that mounts behind the drivers head on the seat belt mount, he couldnt make the call based on pictures and would need to measure it and I didnt have such luxury.

The Engineers and Cage builders explanation of how a cage not fixed at all 6 points work, took me a while to get my head around but I completely understand it now and it's quite clever. Supporting the roof from collapsing and protecting the occupants is the only focus and this can be done a couple of ways. For racing its a different story.

But a custom cargo barrier made of thick pipe is also a good option like Nplus1 stated as it doesn't have clearance tolerances to meet to required engineering. LIke a roll hoop you see on tray back utes.

Cheers.

[Landybitz]

We have now brought in a number of cages, if anyones Interested we have a container leaving in 3 weeks. Good savings on shipping.

[Steve223]

We have now brought in a number of cages, if anyones Interested we have a container leaving in 3 weeks. Good savings on shipping.


how much are they and would they fit on a TD5 110?

[Capes]

This is an impressive set-up and I too have a Puma I would like to fit out.

Who produces the kit?

[n plus one]

This is an impressive set-up and I too have a Puma I would like to fit out.

Who produces the kit?

Saftey Devices (SD)

[Babs]

We have now brought in a number of cages, if anyones Interested we have a container leaving in 3 weeks. Good savings on shipping.

$$$$?????

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[alittlebitconcerned]

I don't really understand why a structure such as the SD cage that adds safety where there is none could be illegal; but I realize if I want one to be legal I have to play the game and try and get around the silly laws. I have a cunning plan.

If a roll cage minus the internal hoop can be classed as a ladder rack/roof rack, is it possible that an internal hoop minus the roll cage could be classed as a cargo barrier if it had steel mesh or perspex attached to it?


If I were to...
A) Get the hoop installed (with mesh or perspex attached) then certified as a cargo barrier, and then remove it.
B ) Get the external roll cage installed, certified as a ladder rack and then reinstall the hoop.
Have I got around the BS?

How would I find out if this is possible?

[n plus one]

How would I find out if this is possible?

Lol, the hard way!

[voltron]

I don't really understand why a structure such as the SD cage that adds safety where there is none could be illegal; but I realize if I want one to be legal I have to play the game and try and get around the silly laws. I have a cunning plan.

If a roll cage minus the internal hoop can be classed as a ladder rack/roof rack, is it possible that an internal hoop minus the roll cage could be classed as a cargo barrier if it had steel mesh or perspex attached to it?


If I were to...
A) Get the hoop installed (with mesh or perspex attached) then certified as a cargo barrier, and then remove it.
B ) Get the external roll cage installed, certified as a ladder rack and then reinstall the hoop.
Have I got around the BS?

How would I find out if this is possible?

You can run an internal hoop with mesh behind the passengers seat and call it a cargo barrier, essentially that is what I have except I also have a hoop behind the front row seats as well.

A crab bar cost $1100 so I think this is a no brainer to do. The only issues are that the bars must be a certain distance from the heads of the occupants as to avoid head collision with it. This is why I am not sure an SD hoop behind the drivers seat will clear the tolerances, it basically sits right beside the drivers head, they had to slant my hoop away from the drivers head to pass the clearances. I can't see a hoop behind the passenger seat being a problem.

I wouldnt be afraid of engineering something, its not that expensive or unreasonable. Alot of their guidelines are established from a large database of vehicle accidents.

[landy]

I don't really understand why a structure such as the SD cage that adds safety where there is none could be illegal; but I realize if I want one to be legal I have to play the game and try and get around the silly laws. I have a cunning plan.

If a roll cage minus the internal hoop can be classed as a ladder rack/roof rack, is it possible that an internal hoop minus the roll cage could be classed as a cargo barrier if it had steel mesh or perspex attached to it?


If I were to...
A) Get the hoop installed (with mesh or perspex attached) then certified as a cargo barrier, and then remove it.
B ) Get the external roll cage installed, certified as a ladder rack and then reinstall the hoop.
Have I got around the BS?

How would I find out if this is possible?

I really don't think the problem is trying to hide the fact you "really" have a roll cage fitted from the police. The problem arises should you have an accident. The insurance loss adjuster is the one you have to convince that's it's a roof rack/hoop/cargo barrier. And my money's on him saying its a none complianced roll bar and refusing the claim. And do you have the money to sue an insurance company?
What if you run up the bum of a Bently?

Your choice. But not sure id like to take the chance.

Cheers,
Nino.

[n plus one]

I really don't think the problem is trying to hide the fact you "really" have a roll cage fitted from the police. The problem arises should you have an accident. The insurance loss adjuster is the one you have to convince that's it's a roof rack/hoop/cargo barrier. And my money's on him saying its a none complianced roll bar and refusing the claim. And do you have the money to sue an insurance company?
What if you run up the bum of a Bently?

Your choice. But not sure id like to take the chance.

Cheers,
Nino.

Fair call, but I reckon you'd be lucky to find a single Defender on AULRO that's actually legal when push comes to shove - half the blokes on here think that all it takes to make wider offset wheels legal is bigger flares...

[Landybitz]

We have looked into the Compliance of cages, and even spoken to the Dept of Transport, who say there perfectly legal.

As for having issues in the event of a accident if you had a cage fitted, the cage is going to save your life, so whats Important to you.

As said in the post before, we have people on here and not on here, who will make there own , bull bars, side steps, roof racks, and even roll cages that are not tested, manufactured, or even approved be it here or some other part of the world, you would be safer buying a SD cage knowing its FIA and PAAA approved.

For those of you who are Interested in a cage, please PM me or email me, for prices, theres so many options.

[slug_burner]

We have looked into the Compliance of cages, and even spoken to the Dept of Transport, who say there perfectly legal.

As for having issues in the event of a accident if you had a cage fitted, the cage is going to save your life, so whats Important to you.

As said in the post before, we have people on here and not on here, who will make there own , bull bars, side steps, roof racks, and even roll cages that are not tested, manufactured, or even approved be it here or some other part of the world, you would be safer buying a SD cage knowing its FIA and PAAA approved.

For those of you who are Interested in a cage, please PM me or email me, for prices, theres so many options.


Are there installers in other states around the country? Is the cage designed as a DIY install?

[86mud]

Grizzly Adams on this forum (have not see him for a while) has a cage fitted to his 110 and all approved via QLD Transport from memory.

I am tempted and do like the look of the 130 cages..

[Landybitz]

Cage is a DIY install, or you could pay your local 4wd store to fit it for you...

[86mud]

yes...I have even downloaded the instruction sheet from website.

[alittlebitconcerned]

[QUOTE=Landybitz;2088303]We have looked into the Compliance of cages, and even spoken to the Dept of Transport, who say there perfectly legal.

So if that is coming from the horses mouth, where is the opinion coming from that they arent legal? There seems to be a bit of conflicting informstion when it comes to this topic. I'm confused. :confused:

[weeds]

My advice is speak to your certifier prior to buying and or installing to ensure there is a clear understanding of what is required........

[voltron]

[QUOTE=Landybitz;2088303]We have looked into the Compliance of cages, and even spoken to the Dept of Transport, who say there perfectly legal.

So if that is coming from the horses mouth, where is the opinion coming from that they arent legal? There seems to be a bit of conflicting informstion when it comes to this topic. I'm confused. :confused:

I can only speak from my experience and in NSW. Some people dont care and will just go ahead and do it, which is fine. I needed insurance and proper registration plates for my cage, otherwise I couldn't insure the car, only way I could do that was to guarantee the cage met all requirements. If I bought the SD cage and it wasn't within the tolerances then he wouldnt approve the papers for my registration. If I had a second hand Defender and didnt feel I needed to insure it, I would have just gone and bought a cage through Juddy, it's simple and the R&D has already been done by SD.

Cheers
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[n plus one]

So I'm getting close to making a call on a SD cage - anyone located remotely proximal to Canberra/Sydney/the Hunter Valley got one I can take a look at?

[Neptune]

some time ago I make in 3D roll cage for my Def90/
Before start in real building, do you have any regects or ideas?
in plane, I'll weld it from seamless pipe 44-48mm 3.68-4.0mm thickness
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/843.jpg

[100inch]

Has someone his 8point cage certified yet? I am in the same situation to get the 8 point version and want to keep it legal here in VIC.
Cheers m

[alittlebitconcerned]

Keen to hear as well

[100inch]

Keen to hear as well
What about putting a (luggage) net on the internal hoop and try to get it passed as cargo barrier?
m

[Steve223]

Just spoke to my engineer and seems like I can get this one engineered

http://www.safetydevices.com/expedition/products/roll-cage/Land+Rover+Defender+110+-1983-present-4-door-Station+Wagon/643/1455/

As it has TÜV certification in Germany. I have now requested the actual certificates and registration number for the engineer but he said he would be to 90% sure he would engineer it

[Shoogs]

I imported my CT 110 in March, biggest concern from licensing Dept was the roll cage a SD cage, I contacted SD and despite being built and installed in 1996 they had all the specs, installation date and even who built it. Handed all of this to the engineer and he signed off, overall he was very impressed.

Previously I had contacted a few "experts" in Perth who stated it would never pass inspection or compliance, same with the brush cables, they were never mentioned.

[andy_d110]

I imported my CT 110 in March, biggest concern from licensing Dept was the roll cage a SD cage, I contacted SD and despite being built and installed in 1996 they had all the specs, installation date and even who built it. Handed all of this to the engineer and he signed off, overall he was very impressed.



Previously I had contacted a few "experts" in Perth who stated it would never pass inspection or compliance, same with the brush cables, they were never mentioned.



I've spotted you on the freeway a few times, looks like a mint Camel you have there!

[Shoogs]

I've spotted you on the freeway a few times, looks like a mint Camel you have there!

Thank you, I think so to...:D