Puma Interest

[Sith]

Greeting all,
I am looking seriously into getting a 2.4 110. Coming from a 300tdi can some one please tell me :

How much difference is the aircond and airflow into the cabin ?
Does the new aircond pump out enough to cool a 110 ?
The fuel stats say 11-100km , is that accurate ?
Are there any inherent problems still left over from TDI/TD5 like wet drivers foot?

For the money I want quality , if it is still not up to scratch with the above items I might just rebuild and rewrk what I have.

thanks in advance

[Sandgroper]

I've never owned a td5 but I have owned a tdi300, I've now got a puma. The air con on the puma is great - in my opinion. The fuel economy is about right. The leak onto the drivers foot, not been too much of a drama for me but it hasn't rained in four months so I can't remember. I love my puma and I reckon it was a great decision to get one, I haven't regretted it for a minute.

[Babs]

Air con works great, I was worried about this before I bought one, passengers complain it gets too cold. It could do with side vents but ah well it works good enough.

Had a small leek from drivers side not much but passenger side you can go fishing. Mines getting fixed under warranty.

Don't worry all the floor is aluminium anyway :)

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[wally]

Mine's a 2.2. I've had Tdis and td5s as well. The 2.2 is better than those in almost all respects. The a/c does work well (my rear seat passengers also complain that it's too cold) and the dash in the Puma is a huge improvement over the cheap plastic thing of past models. I've had no water leak in yet but then it never rains. I'd probably go the Puma, although if all my driving was slow bush work or around town I'd think seriously about keeping the Tdi (they're just better at that kind of thing). 11L/100km is about right.

[Sith]

Do they actually have seals that work around doors? Mine I could see the road thru the bottom passenger door..

[Deefa]

I love my Defender but realistically its purely an emotional decision. If you say you want quality for the money you are going to spend dont buy a Defender as if you compare it to other vehicles it does not stack up well at all.
BUT you are buying a legend and a statement of individuality not reliability or value! And since you have already had a Defender you know whats in store.

The Defender is about to be stopped soon and I think that the factory are slipping with quality and just getting them out. One of our members of our club has had one for 12 months and its been on a tilt tray 5 times and been in the workshop for a total of 2 months of that time. Major Gearbox failure, rear diff failure, leaks, clutch master cylinder failure. Centre diff selector failure etc. He uses it off road a fair bit so its had a hard life but they are made for that.

[spudboy]

Seals around doors are good. No daylight!

Fuel economy gets better as time goes by. Started out at 12L/100, but after 20,000Kms am now getting 10.5 or 11L/100.

Aircon is soooooooo much better than my TD5. As is the lower 1st gear and the higher 6th gear.

Not had any dramas with mine apart from a new rear diff - replaced under warranty.

[Sith]

I am looking into a 2010 ... the guy has thrown some huge coin at it.
With 85k on the clock . I guess I am just weary as I don't know much about the Puma.

[The Cone of Silence]

2008 110 Wagon

Air con is awesome, particularly when recycling cabin air...cools the space more quickly than I was expecting.

Fuel economy when unloaded, with no roofrack is definitely a capable 11. Load + windage = decrease in economy, but that goes for all vehicles.

The leaking? Well, it's a Defender. Mine leaks through the A-frame join but it just drips occasionally. Will be fixing that with a Pop-top. Were I not having the Pop-top, I'd fix it with a screwdriver and some sealant.

Deefa is right; it's an emotional decision. I would suggest putting some thought into how much freight the bloke has put into the vehicle and working out what you might save on all of that stuff too.

Bobby

[POD]

Mine's a 2008 130, the dual cab is obviously a smaller space than the 110 wagon but the aircon works very well. Mine doesn't seem to leak rainwater into the cab. The door seals let air in, particularly around the bottom.
A mate was sitting in the back and asked me why he could see daylight through the floor. I told him that was because it was daytime, if he wants to see dark he should come back at night.
Haven't had any reliability issues in 14 months & 25,000km. had to replace the MAP sensor, warning light was coming on, never stopped or anything though.
Fuel consumption is pretty accurate, I'm finding that having my roofrack on makes more difference than I expected, without it 9.5-10.5 L/100km, with the roofrack it's somewhere around 11.5

[noyakfat]

A mate was sitting in the back and asked me why he could see daylight through the floor. I told him that was because it was daytime, if he wants to see dark he should come back at night.

HA HA HA... priceless :)

[spudboy]

... I guess I am just weary as I don't know much about the Puma.

Have a little lie down. You wont feel so tired after a snooze :D

[Chenz]

Have a 2008 130 which I have just changed from a tub to a tray to fit my Trayon Camper. Aircon works too well and freezes my left arm.

No leaks and mine sits out in the weather at the moment in the pouring rain. I had a 200 Tdi in which you could have raised yabbies on the floor after rain. The Puma is as dry as a bone.

Love the new unit. It drives like a dream and is much quieter than the 200 and any of the 300 or Td5s I have been in.

You won't be dissapointed

[Orkney 90]

I am looking into a 2010 ... the guy has thrown some huge coin at it.
With 85k on the clock . I guess I am just weary as I don't know much about the Puma.

Have a close look at the underneath of the car. It will tell you a lot about how the car has been used, whether it has had a hard life in its 85000kms, and generally how well it has been looked after. Major dents, scrapes and oil leaks will all indicate a car that has had a hard life, regardless how shiny it is on the top or how much dollars have been invested in add-ons.

[Sith]

Went and had a look this morning,
he spent a lot of money o her ! The main problem is at 85k the service history is null and void since 30k service ... he said he's been doing it himself

I had a good look under and yeah it's had a hard life

oh well keep looking

[Trundle]

Don't discount it because of owner service, I bought a 300Tdi with 300,000 on he clock and no service history, just need to get it checked properly. And you have to remember it is a 4x4.

[Sith]

Yeah I do understand Trundle , but this guy was a little "forgetful " when I stared questioning him about it all.
He has f/r lockers racks draws you name it .... and he new exactly how much where from who fitted it ... then very vauge on anything other than "Oh yeah I dropped the oil every 5000"
When asked about when the coolant was last changed , he looked at me , loked at his wife stuttered looked back at the car and said "last service" ... when was that ? ummmm 30k service 2011

[wally]

Yeah I do understand Trundle , but this guy was a little "forgetful " when I stared questioning him about it all.
He has f/r lockers racks draws you name it .... and he new exactly how much where from who fitted it ... then very vauge on anything other than "Oh yeah I dropped the oil every 5000"
When asked about when the coolant was last changed , he looked at me , loked at his wife stuttered looked back at the car and said "last service" ... when was that ? ummmm 30k service 2011

I'd stay away from it too. Owner-servicing doesn't necessarily scare me but I need to be convinced that it's been done and done properly. I do all my own work on my Tdi, and every little thing has been documented. I can tell you the date and the km at which every job, no matter how insignificant, was carried out for the last ten years - and I have dealer service record before that. That's the kind of record that would give me confidence. It might be alright, but there are more out there. I'd keep looking.

[n plus one]

Yeah I do understand Trundle , but this guy was a little "forgetful " when I stared questioning him about it all.
He has f/r lockers racks draws you name it .... and he new exactly how much where from who fitted it ... then very vauge on anything other than "Oh yeah I dropped the oil every 5000"
When asked about when the coolant was last changed , he looked at me , loked at his wife stuttered looked back at the car and said "last service" ... when was that ? ummmm 30k service 2011

I'd be more worried about his competence than his memory - I service my own moto well beyond standard servicing requirements but couldn't tell you when the coolant was last changed - been done three times at least though.

Frankly a complete LR servicing history would be more likely to put me off buying a car than the other way round...