Ex Army 110 differences?

[4x4 MORE]

I know the Ex Army 110 has a galvanized chassis and 3.9 Isuzu Diesel motor and 4 speed gearbox.

So is the gearbox Landrover? or just the body and chassis?:confused:

Thanks...

[Marty110]

its Landrover - possibly the strongest and most reliable box they ever made - must be why they dropped it....

[MR LR]

It's more than a possibility, it IS!

Go the LT95 :D

[87County]

The chassis is LR, but quite different from a civvie 110 and not a variant that has ever been factory fitted to a civvie LR.

[3toes]

The gear box gave trouble early on in its service life, A mate of mine had a contract to up grade them all with a mod he had designed himself. So this would be another difference from standard.

[LandyAndy]

No power steer,no aircon and no key to start.
Andrew

[JDNSW]

Unless I am mistaken, the starter and alternator are also different.

There are also substantial differences in trim and equipment which vary between models. For example, most, if not all of the army 110s have detachable door tops with sliding windows. While these were (I think) an option for the civilian ones, I have never seen one that was not a conversion. The most common civilian 110 is the wagon with County trim, which meant more trim, carpets, tinted windows, often aircon and no vents, cloth upholstery etc. Then there is the extended wheelbase 120" 110, not represented in the military types. Some civilian body types are not present in the army types, e.g. trayback in the 4x4, dual cab 4x4 (bicentenary ones only) and vice versa. But there were so many options available for both the civilian and army ones that it is quite easy to think in error that some of the rarer ones could be a civilian/army distinction.

John

[UncleHo]

The LT95 (Landrover Transmission/95mm between shafts) was modified slightly and was known as the LT95A,a bearing change from memory,the chassis was galvanised, and modified to take the spare tyre (7.50x16)under the rear body there was also changes to the spring rates and shockers.

[Bearman]

The gear box gave trouble early on in its service life, A mate of mine had a contract to up grade them all with a mod he had designed himself. So this would be another difference from standard.

G'day 3toes. Can you elaborate on what the mod was that your mate did. Interested to know what this was.

[101RRS]

Also interested as I understood the actual gearbox is a standard LT95 but in the transfer case tapered rollers were used - but the gearbox side was unchanged.

Cheers

Garry

[JDNSW]

Also interested as I understood the actual gearbox is a standard LT95 but in the transfer case tapered rollers were used - but the gearbox side was unchanged.

Cheers

Garry

I think that is probably what is referred to - remember the LT95 gearbox and transfer case are one unit, so that strictly speaking this is a modification to the gearbox.

John

[Bearman]

Also interested as I understood the actual gearbox is a standard LT95 but in the transfer case tapered rollers were used - but the gearbox side was unchanged.

Cheers

Garry

Same here Garry. AFAIK gearbox has never changed in specs except for the reverse shaft change from "C" series onwards and short throw selectors. Transfer case changes were (as you said) tapered rollers on the intermediate shaft (military LT95A's only), an oil control ring and brass bushes in the centre diff under the side gears plus the transfer hi/lo lever cross shaft had a scallop out of it so you could remove the mainshaft distance piece and fit a new main seal without dropping the box from the vehicle.

[4x4 MORE]

Thanks guys, does anyone know where the parts are made

1- Motor isuzu, Japanese
2-Body and Chassis Landrover, British
3- The rest Landrover???, drive-line, axels, diffs, electrics?:confused::confused::confused:

[Bearman]

Thanks guys, does anyone know where the parts are made

1- Motor isuzu, Japanese
2-Body and Chassis Landrover, British
3- The rest Landrover???, drive-line, axels, diffs, electrics?:confused::confused::confused:

All landrover.

[4x4 MORE]

So that's salisbury diffs and axles?:confused:

I really don't know much,,

[Bearman]

So that's salisbury diffs and axles?:confused:

I really don't know much,,

Salisbury rear and standard rover type front (although RFSV and 6X6 have a strengthened 4 pinion front centre and fine spline axles)

[303gunner]

Salisbury rear and standard rover type front (although RFSV and 6X6 have a strengthened 4 pinion front centre and fine spline axles)
Fair bit of Australian content in them. The 6x6 and RFSV front diff housings are made in Aust, as are all the chassis. Brake and clutch master cylinders and brake booster are PBR Aust. All of the 6x6 cabs and rear body modules are Aust. 4x4 canopies are Aust. Seating is Australian. Taillights and instrumentation are from Aust companies (although probably sourced in Germany)

[4x4 MORE]

Thanks guys, I belive the 4 speed box is the same as the 1 gen Range rover?:confused::confused:

[101RRS]

Thanks guys, I belive the 4 speed box is the same as the 1 gen Range rover?:confused::confused:

Yes an LT95 - what is confusing about that - the LT95 was fitted to the RRC until the early 80s, fitted to the 101, Stage 1 and early Countys as well as the Perentis - a very common and well regarded gearbox that has an excellent record for reliability and robustness.

Garry

[4x4 MORE]

Thanks for that mate,

Don't all Defenders, EX army and civilian have rover front diffs and Salisbury rear diffs?:confused:

Series Land rovers have only rover diffs or?? I seem to remember my dad's 109 series 3 had a Salisbury rear diff..:confused:

[303gunner]

The name Defender is confusing the issue a little, as the term was only applied to Land Rovers from the 200Tdi onwards, although the whole model line can be seen as a continuous evolution. The Ex Army Perenties are a hybrid development of the OneTen, usually referred to as a County, and are not technically a Defender. All Rovers have Rover front diffs (I'm excluding the UK Military versions with Sals fronts, as they're a bit of a rarity in Aus), but there have been differences over time with axle spline count and the number of Spider Gears or Pinions within the housing.


The Salisbury Rear came in with late Series 2A LWB vehicles and was phased out when the TD5 Defender was introduced. Even the Salisbury has evolved over the years with versions being Inch or metric, 10 or 24 spline and drum or disc braked. Not all parts are interchangeable.

[JDNSW]

Thanks for that mate,

Don't all Defenders, EX army and civilian have rover front diffs and Salisbury rear diffs?:confused:

Series Land rovers have only rover diffs or?? I seem to remember my dad's 109 series 3 had a Salisbury rear diff..:confused:

Series Landrovers had Rover diffs, with the salisbury becoming optional in late Series 2a for 109s, and standard for 109s with Series 3 (ignoring One Ton and forward control models, some of which had ENV or salisbury front and back).

Coil sprung 110 and 130 Landrovers, including Defender and Perentie had salisbury rear until Defender 110 and 130 changed to a 'P38A' diff (improved Rover) diff about ten years ago. All front diffs and rear diffs on 90s are Rover diffs (again ignoring armoured Landrovers and a few specials). 6x6 perenties have Rover rear diffs, but their front diffs and those fitted to a few other varieties are a Rover diff with a improved centre having four planet gears instead of two.

The Rover diff as far as I can ascertain, is an in-house design first produced in about 1932, and extensively modified over the years since.

John

[4x4 MORE]

So the TD5 onwards has a P38A rear diff, Defenders with the Salisbury diffs are best for hard off roading yeah:confused:

What do you guys do to upgrade the weaker front rover diff? like for 35 inch tyres and Lockers..:confused:

[gromit]

I have a poster from a Dealer/TAFE/? that shows the rolling chassis.

It highlights the Isuzu Diesel 4BD1, galvanised chassis, LT 95A 4-speed gearbox, Hitachi alternator and Mitsubishi starter motor.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/1091.jpg (http://s1245.photobucket.com/user/cradley/media/Stuff/DSCN2940_zpsb2a385a6.jpg.html)




Colin

[4x4 MORE]

Thanks Gromit:)

[303gunner]

6x6 perenties have Rover rear diffs, but their front diffs and those fitted to a few other varieties are a Rover diff with a improved centre having four planet gears instead of two.

John
6x6 has 2 rear Salisbury diffs. The front diff, as well as the 4 Pinion/planet/spider gears, is also in a cast steel axle housing, unlike the fabricated sheet steel of other Rovers.

[303gunner]

What do you guys do to upgrade the weaker front rover diff? like for 35 inch tyres and Lockers..:confused:
What is it you need to upgrade? The Rover Diff is stronger than the Toyota front diff (ie Hilux, 78/79/76/80/100 series Cruiser), and the County/Perentie CVs are THE UPGRADE that Defender and Disco owners go to! About the only thing you wouldn't want are 10 spline axles.

[4x4 MORE]

What is it you need to upgrade? The Rover Diff is stronger than the Toyota front diff (ie Hilux, 78/79/76/80/100 series Cruiser), and the County/Perentie CVs are THE UPGRADE that Defender and Disco owners go to! About the only thing you wouldn't want are 10 spline axles.

You lost me?:confused::confused:

So no one bothers to put the stronger Salisbury diff in the front too for hard stuff?:confused:

[JDNSW]

You lost me?:confused::confused:

So no one bothers to put the stronger Salisbury diff in the front too for hard stuff?:confused:

It has been done - but is a lot of work, as they do not come as a bolt in replacement. With the number of custom bits you need, it gets very expensive.

There are other considerations - the salisbury diff, as well as being stronger, is bigger - reduces ground clearance, and has a longer nose, so space for the front prop shaft gets a bit tight.

You need to realise that where the Rover diff is a self contained unit in a cast steel housing that bolts into a welded pressed steel axle housing, the salisbury diff is a cast steel housing that is integral with the axle housing with rivetted steel tubing and forged (or cast?) outer ends also rivetted on. This means the two are not easily swapped. At the back it is easy since the entire axle assembly can be swapped - salisbury axles were fitted to the back of lwb Landrovers for thirty plus years (coil sprung ones for over twenty) and they are nearly unbreakable, so there are a lot about.

John

[4x4 MORE]

I see, so best option is keep the rover front diff and put stronger axels and CV's in it?:confused:

Ashcroft for EG

[Marty110]

and dont forget to go to a 4 pinion set up. Putting in a locker will do this for you or you can get a custom conversion with a solid cross piece - see pic

[303gunner]

I see, so best option is keep the rover front diff and put stronger axels and CV's in it?:confused:

Ashcroft for EG
I can see you're lost! The Perentie CVs ARE already the strongest upgrade. You can't upgrade what is the best. Ashcroft axle shafts are the same dimensions, but made of better material. The front diff will happily live on 33" tyres, and if you're mechanically sympathetic you can get away with 35s with out the need for upgrades.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day 4x4xmore, thought Iwould put my replies in the thread hust in case I accidentally sprout some wisdom ;)

"I am aware that crivilian and ex army 110's, 130's have a
Sailsbury rear diff which is virtually unbreakable i have been told:)"
Made of steel, made by humans and driven by diggers, everything has a limited life and is only preserved by mechanical sympathy.

Now with the weaker front rover diff, what can you do so it can handle big tyres, lockers, heavy right:twisted: foot?:confused:
Control of the right foot is the ONLY thing that will make or break a set up, look at the no-expense-spared Dakar Rally-Raid crowd!

You can't put a Sailsbury diff in the front?:confused:
Sure can. the ready made ones are rare and expensive, ~$2-2.5 K, and a pain to fit.

As others have said:
Fit lockers and aftermarket axles for traction and peace of mind
Limit tyres to 33" or 35 if you can control the red mist
Most importantly- Don't drive like a dick and then complain when things break!

I drove the Surveillance version for a few years around the Cape and Gulf, mostly cross-country, and never broke a thing.
I HAVE seen a swivel housing and wheel sitting in a ditch due to a too-high entry speed into a washout!
They had a heavier front diff and grippier tyres but that wouldn't have changed a thing.

[4x4 MORE]

BUT HANG ON GUYS:p

The Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers. Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere. (http://www.remlr.com/)

I had a bit of a read...I assume the 1 ton Landrovers they are talking about are the army 110's we have over here..:)

Land Rover Differentials - Rover Salisbury ENV Diffs for Landrover (http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtalk/land_rover_differentials.htm)

So Salisbury diffs fitted back and front..:cool:

[101RRS]

BUT HANG ON GUYS:p

The Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers. Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere. (http://www.remlr.com/)

I had a bit of a read...I assume the 1 ton Landrovers they are talking about are the army 110's we have over here..:)



No - One ton landrovers is a specific model that was never sold in Aust and was not a 110 but a 109 (series 3 I believe) - there may be private imports.

The Perenti is a variant of the early Aussie County Diesel.

The only model in Aust that had salsburys in the front was the 101 and that is far from a fit for the 110s.

[4x4 MORE]

Dam!:mad:

I really am trying to understand this:confused:

[4x4 MORE]

G'Day 4x4xmore, thought Iwould put my replies in the thread hust in case I accidentally sprout some wisdom ;)

"I am aware that civilian and ex army 110's, 130's have a
Sailsbury rear diff which is virtually unbreakable i have been told:)"
Made of steel, made by humans and driven by diggers, everything has a limited life and is only preserved by mechanical sympathy.

Now with the weaker front rover diff, what can you do so it can handle big tyres, lockers, heavy right:twisted: foot?:confused:
Control of the right foot is the ONLY thing that will make or break a set up, look at the no-expense-spared Dakar Rally-Raid crowd!

You can't put a Sailsbury diff in the front?:confused:
Sure can. the ready made ones are rare and expensive, ~$2-2.5 K, and a pain to fit.

As others have said:
Fit lockers and aftermarket axles for traction and peace of mind
Limit tyres to 33" or 35 if you can control the red mist
Most importantly- Don't drive like a dick and then complain when things break!

I drove the Surveillance version for a few years around the Cape and Gulf, mostly cross-country, and never broke a thing.
I HAVE seen a swivel housing and wheel sitting in a ditch due to a too-high entry speed into a washout!
They had a heavier front diff and grippier tyres but that wouldn't have changed a thing.

So Army 110's have 6 pinion front diff, and civilian 110's have 4 pinion front rover diffs?, best way to upgrade the civilian 110's is to use Ashcroft cv;s and axles?:confused:

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???

[Barefoot Dave]

6pin??
Now you have me scratching my head...
No.
Most 4x4 got Std rover 2 pin front diff.
Surveillance and 6x6 get the same type of 4 pin, internal and externally braced diff
all 4x4 diffs are 3.54:1 ratio
all 6x6 get 4.7:1 ratio
All rear diffs are Salisbury

all explained over 80+pages in my book. that and a whole lot more that you won't find here or on wikipedia ;)
see link in my sig.

[4x4 MORE]

Thanks:)

[carjunkieanon]

6pin??


all explained over 80+pages in my book. that and a whole lot more that you won't find here or on wikipedia ;)
see link in my sig.


Everyone, just buy Dave's book :)

[UncleHo]

G'day Barefoot Dave :)

From where do I get it ? as I have 2x copies of Army Land Rover IPV Profile Photographs. 14/100 but I do not have the 80 page book.

And how much ?

cheers :)

[Barefoot Dave]

?? Most venerable Uncle, how did you end up with 2?! i have you down for #14 only. Did I send you a digital one earlier?

You will have one of the first when it rolls of the digital press! The least I can do for your prolific referrals!!
;)
Thanks Kev

[UncleHo]

G'day Dave :)

Next time I am down your way I will drop the duplicate in to you,(blue cover) but I am Flu ridden at the moment and would not wish this ailment on anybody,felt OK yesterday too :(


Ho

[4x4 MORE]

G'day guys I just had a look at some specs and

I was wondering about this:confused:

The MC2, basic softop has these specs..

Approach angle: 30 degrees
Departure Angle: 26 degrees
Ramp Over: 148 Degrees
Ground Clearance: 203mm

The FFR has

Approach angle 39 degrees
Departure Angle 30 degrees
Ramp over the same
But ground clearance is 221mm

The Surveillance, one with Winch has
Aproach angle 37 Degrees
Depture angle 29 Degrees
Ramp over 153 degrees
Ground Clearance 203mm

Can you please explain the quite noticeable differences?

I thought they would have more Ground clearance:confused:

[UncleHo]

Seeing that you are in SE Qld why not go down to the Military Jeep Club of Qld. Swap Meet at Canungra showground it's on between the 18th and 19th October, as there will probably be a few of them there,I will also be there, hopefully in my 2a GS

cheers

[4x4 MORE]

Cheers:)

[UncleHo]

By the way 4x4 MORE, MC2 stands for "Mobility Category 2"


I think that you are a used vehicle sales person OR a TROLL

[4x4 MORE]

Not at all..:)

[UncleHo]

Sorry if I misread any of your posts, but a lot of your questions would be answered by a visit to Canungra in October :)

[4x4 MORE]

G'day guys I just had a look at some specs and

I was wondering about this:confused:

The MC2, basic softop has these specs..

Approach angle: 30 degrees
Departure Angle: 26 degrees
Ramp Over: 148 Degrees
Ground Clearance: 203mm

The FFR has

Approach angle 39 degrees
Departure Angle 30 degrees
Ramp over the same
But ground clearance is 221mm

The Surveillance, one with Winch has
Aproach angle 37 Degrees
Depture angle 29 Degrees
Ramp over 153 degrees
Ground Clearance 203mm

Can you please explain the quite noticeable differences?

I thought they would have more Ground clearance:confused:

Keen to hear people's opinion feed back on this..:)

[UncleHo]

The "1 Ton" model Land Rover was a production model from the Australian Military series 2a,the raised chassis was designed and tested at Monengetta in Vic by ADE,then was specified for the Australian built military 2a (which carried a standard 4cyl chassis number) which was destined for use in South Vietnam (in the undeclared war over there),this raised chassis practice was carried over to the military Series 3 but that vehicle was not as successful with the 6cyl, as the 4cyl 2/2a's.

[4x4 MORE]

Sorry mate you got me confused

The above specs are not for The Land Rover Perentie:confused:

file:///C:/Users/Rob/Documents/Project%20Perentie%20(1).pdf

[UncleHo]

I was answering Garycol's post number 35 on page 4 IIRC

[4x4 MORE]

SORRY my bad:o

[101RRS]

The "1 Ton" model Land Rover was a production model from the Australian Military series 2a,

Ok didn't know that - but is still just a local variation - the 1 Tonner that was the subject of the discussion as far as I am aware was not sold in Aust by LR.

Cheers

Garry

[2stroke]

Ok didn't know that - but is still just a local variation - the 1 Tonner that was the subject of the discussion as far as I am aware was not sold in Aust by LR.

Cheers

Garryo

The series army Landies had what looked like the same chassis as the 1 ton but didn't the 1 ton have ENV diffs?

[UncleHo]

The English production 1 ton was a copy of the Australian military 2a,from memory 3 chassis were sent to UK in about 1963 or 64 :)

[JDNSW]

o

The series army Landies had what looked like the same chassis as the 1 ton but didn't the 1 ton have ENV diffs?

The chassis developed for the Australian Army 2a was used almost unchanged in the One Ton, but the Australian Army ones did not have the ENV diffs, or the constant mesh low range transfer case, or the 9.00 x16 tyres (although they were considered as a possible fitment), or the lower ratio steering.

John