8" rims on a 130? Advice / info needed

[VladTepes]

I am going to be fitting some BFG KM2 255/85/16 tyres on the 130.

There's still no sign of the particular 7" rims I want in Australia and the UK suppliers are, umm, not supplying.

I have the chance to buy a set of rims spec: 16x8 neg 25 offset (I gather normal offset is +33).

(If I do this it will also give the opportunity to fit 285's later if I so desire)

So will this work on a 130? My ute was apparently raised by 2" but I think it's sagged a bit since...

I gather the changed offset will bring the tyres more INBOARD than normal ?

How would this set up affect:

1. Steering?

2. Would they protrude past the front flares?

3. I presume they'd protrude from the rear guards and some flares would be needed there? What's suitable and at what cost? Would a set of front flares fit on the rear?

Thanks all.

[Drover]

Hey a Vlads,

I have 8x16 inch rims with 0 off set.

I always get confused but I think a - off set mean they will stick out side the vehicle further.

With 285/75 they stuck out side of the flares by 35mm.

I used Flatdog 50mm flares, imported from the UK. Price was great but the dollars was on 68c back then.

Flatdog are much better quality and fit than some of the others out there.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/1575.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/1458.jpg

[n plus one]

The centre line of a neg 25mm offset rim is 58m further outboard than that of a positive 33mm offset rim. Remember that a wider rim will affect total rim/tyre towards the outside and inside of the vehicle.

[nugge t]

I ran the same as Drover on the 110 and will do the same on the 130. Worked well.

[POD]

Negative offset is, to use an older term, 'deep dish'. The outer edge of the rim would be 77mm further outboard than the 6.5" with +33mm. Yep, I reckon you'd need some flares!

[TonyC]

Why don't you put them on the stock wheels till you can get the wheels you want?

Tony

[Summiitt]

I ran a set of the terra firma rims in 7x16 with 265/75/16 mtz they sat perfectly just inside the front guard, just about to order a new set for the 2012 130..but will need to put some rear flares on...is there a particular reason you want an 8 in rim?

[LowRanger]

Vlad
It would depend on what you were going to be doing with the vehicle,as 255's on 8" rims you run an increased risk of rolling the tyre off the bead if you lower the tyre pressures off road.They definitely work better on 7" rims and are probably the size best suited to Defenders.
If you run 285/75's on 8" -25 offset rims you will need wider flares.I have these on my 130 and had to fit wider flares on the front and fit flares to the rear tub.

[MLD]

Vlad

I second Wayne's comments. For a 255/85 the best solution is a 7" rim with zero offset. The tread will sit inside the standard flares.

On the left is an 8" rim with 315/75 and flat dog flares. On the right is 255/85 on a 7" rim zero offset, standard flare.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/1116.jpg

Not sure if the 255/85 will protrude from the tub on a zero offset 7" rim. Others may be able to comment.

MLD.

[VladTepes]

No there's no particular reason for wanting 8" rims other than I thought they might be suitable and I can get them at a v good price like $100/rim !

In an ideal world the bloody 'round hole' Dynamic steel rims I ordered via MR Auto would turn up ! :D

[2stroke]

When I first put the 255s onthe 130 I had them on 8" zero offset (Maxxis recommended 7.5" minimum rim width) and they very fully filled the front flares and protruded just a little in the rear, still had the tub on then. Didn't scrub at all though. They're on the 6.5" 130 rims now, work better but a 7" would be ideal.

[VladTepes]

Thanks like I said I really want a set of these style rims -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/1110.jpg

as opposed to these more 'commonly seen' rims

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUK5ROQg_Im4NURYA5KswD9vWzekOGz dsy6sjELFZiCc7EBR4B

MR's have had some on order from the UK for me for some time, but the supplier just isn't coming through. I've been unable to locate them anywhere else. Happy if anyone can help !

Edit: Just found this mob will give them a try. Anyone dealt with them?
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/tea-tree-gully/wheels-tyres-rims/dynamic-sunraysia-steel-wheels-new-many-sizes-offsets-colours/1028790702

[VladTepes]

7" with what offset ?

[MLD]

You should be able to source dynamic in Oz. The distributor is in Melb. Google them. They won't deal direct to public but if you get your local tyre place to call them they will send them to the tyre place. I went through that transaction 3 weeks ago with the 16x8" for the 130. I bought the round hole dynamic. Preferred them to the D shape and triangle.

Negotiate to pay about $125 a rim for black round hole. I was quoted $140 from another place. They make their money on the rubber.

The alternative is King rim. They make a 7" zero offset too.

if you want to match the 255/85 go 16x7 with zero offset.

MLD

[VladTepes]

Thanks. If they are so easy to get why can't MR source any.... hmm, maybe these ones they get from the UK aren't Dynamics.....

Still who cares if I can get em then I can fit the 255's ! And the ute would look even betterer.

[Cammo]

Vlad,
Keep in mind if you want to run wider rubber later on (eg 285/75), you will then need to purchase 8" rims.
I run 285/75R16 on round hole -25mm 16x8 dynamic black steelies.
I have terrafirma wide flares on the front and the tub. I wish I went with flatdogs as all the ones I've seen fit better.

[chewy7]

Have you seen these Vlad?

NEW USA Made 16 X 8 PCD 5 X 165 1 Thick Alloy RIM Defender County Series 2A 2 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-USA-made-16-x-8-pcd-5-x-165-1-Thick-Alloy-Rim-Defender-County-series-2a-2-/191028560079?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c7a3080cf&_uhb=1)


Little bit more expensive. But made in America apparently?

[series3]

Are the Dynamics correctly load rated to suit a 130?

Sam

[VladTepes]

chewy I prefer steel wheels mate

sam - good question. Never any dramas with them on my previous 130

[Cammo]

Sam,
They're rated at 1200kg, just like the kings I had on my old defender. 4800kg > 3500kg (130 GVM) is the equation that simple?

[86mud]

Vlad I run the dynamic 16 x 8 with zero offset. Tyres are 285/75 16 Mickey Thompson MTZ's and they just are in line with the standard front flares... Well maybe stick out slightly. It was a huge improvement in ride going to this rim/ tyre combo.

I purchased rims and tyres from Ryan at Fourbys at Moorooka. Might be worth giving them a call. They will beat any price around.

[n plus one]

Sam,
They're rated at 1200kg, just like the kings I had on my old defender. 4800kg > 3500kg (130 GVM) is the equation that simple?

No it's not - your rims need to have a greater load rating than the axle I.e. 1200+1200 needs to be greater than (insert max axle load rating here).

Regardless, 1200kg rims are plenty for a 130 it's when you get down to Disco rims/Boost alloys (~960kh) that you run into load rating issues.

Vlad, just to stir the pot - you do realise steel rims are heavier, weaker (more prone to damage) and more likely to lose a bead at low pressure than quality alloy rims, right?

[VladTepes]

Didn't realise that. However when a steel rim fails its usually a dent that can be fixed. An alloy will crack and we useless.

As far as the bead is concerned thats entirely down to rim profile / design and nothing to do with the material.

They are heavier, true.

[86mud]

Not sure you can say that steel rims are weaker then alloy...I would much rather have a steel rim in the bush. Small dents can be beaten out with a hammer...can not do that with an alloy rim.

There's not much weight difference between a 16 x 8 Dynamic steel rim with a 285/75 16 tyre compared to the standard 130 wolf rim with a 235/85 16 tyre.

[strangy]

Have you seen these Vlad? NEW USA Made 16 X 8 PCD 5 X 165 1 Thick Alloy RIM Defender County Series 2A 2 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-USA-made-16-x-8-pcd-5-x-165-1-Thick-Alloy-Rim-Defender-County-series-2a-2-/191028560079?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c7a3080cf&_uhb=1) Little bit more expensive. But made in America apparently?

The seller has no idea what the load rating is or if the rim is Compliant for Aust.

[n plus one]

Didn't realise that. However when a steel rim fails its usually a dent that can be fixed. An alloy will crack and we useless.

As far as the bead is concerned thats entirely down to rim profile / design and nothing to do with the material.

They are heavier, true.

Good quality alloys don't crack, they dent too.

In my experience by the time you don't a good quality alloy you will have destroyed a steelie. By the time you destroy a good quality alloy you'll be more worried about your cracked chassis/rolled truck/broken back/etc...

Agree bead design and material, though in practice it seems that most steelies have weaker safety bead designs than most alloys.

Cost is a big issue though - although Performance Alloy TX1 rims are reasonably cheap and significantly tougher than your average aftermarket steelie.

Best if luck with it - FWIW I would be inclined to hold out for the round hole rims for aesthetic reasons.

[schuy1]

This toing and froing regarding the strengths of Alloy versus Steel rims is in my opinion irrelevant for everyday use and the sort of off roading the majority of us do. By the time you have rendered an alloy wheel or a steel wheel unusable they are going to be the least of your worries! Having said that a steelie is able to be knocked into shape again whereas an alloy can not, but it again returns to the previous statement. If you are going to be that rough I assume you will have a few spares anyway.
For what its worth I run 16x7 steelies on the deefer and have never dented/bent/mangled 1 ever, saying that I have had alloys on cars and have never done either too, including an offroad excursion in the falcon after a animal strike!
Cheers Scott

[nealo]

Didn't realise that. However when a steel rim fails its usually a dent that can be fixed.


Ummm...depends how big the dent is :p

I trashed one of my rear 8" x neg 25 rims after an argument with the ocean and a big rock going flat out in low range reverse in the dark
Needless to say it didn't hold air after that
I treated it to some serious sledge hammering to try and get the dent out of it, then the oxy with a heating tip, clamped it to the bench and belted it some more. Got it sort of round but not good enough even for a spare!! Sims Metals now own it and it will come back to Aus as a Pootrol:twisted:
Unless you have a sledge hammer handy, anything but minor dents are going to be beyond trackside repairs

My 285's stick out a bit at the rear
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/1073.jpg

But a bit of garden edging screwed under the guard with some mudguard washers has fixed that..plus a handy spot to sit a refreshing beverage on:p
At the front, the tyres stick out about probably 50mm..if Flatdog ever give me a shipping quote I'll be getting some new flares
Prior to the lift the front tyres would pick up on the bottom corner of the flares
Apart from that, no other probs with 285's on neg 25 x 8" rims
The 1 x rim I replaced is the round hole version as the sunraysia pattern wasn't available