Defender 90. Why no auto?

[TriPolar]

I was looking at a new defender. Was looking at the specs and it only comes in a 6speed.

Would there be a chance of them bring out a auto?

[carlschmid2002]

No chance. They are about to discontinue the model. There are kits from people like Ashcrofts in the UK but you need fairly deep pockets.

[TriPolar]

Well, looks like im not buying a new 4x4. Guess ill continue to pour money into the disco1.

[turbo6i]

With the Anti-stall, its as easy to drive as an Auto, with all the benefits of a Manual

You do not need the accelerator pedal for take off, .... just foot on clutch till ready, and a steady release, the Anti Stall takes control of the rest

[TriPolar]

Well that is an interesting feature. Means i would have to man up and get a manual license. More effort. Still at 48K, thats a fair bit of fiance work :/

[loanrangie]

One of the worst decisions LR ever made not fitting an auto to 300TDI/TD5 and up defenders, well that and not making the TD5 a 3ltr.

[B92 8NW]

Apparently [I would love to confirm the truthfulness of this tale] but sometime around the 2000s the Queen was supplied with a personal vehicle Td5 Defender that LRSV had built in automatic - she sent it back:D.

[manic]

One of the worst decisions LR ever made not fitting an auto to 300TDI/TD5 and up defenders, well that and not making the TD5 a 3ltr.

Disagree.... defenders are better off manual. Autos are for other cars.

Wait for the new defender.... it'll drive for you.

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[camel_landy]

One of the worst decisions LR ever made not fitting an auto to 300TDI/TD5 and up defenders, well that and not making the TD5 a 3ltr.

Yeah, I can see senior management crying into their bank statements... :angel:

M

[frantic]

One of the worst decisions LR ever made not fitting an auto to 300TDI/TD5 and up defenders, well that and not making the TD5 a 3ltr.
They did its called the TD5, 3.2 puma built in the U.K same assembly line as the 2,2 and stuffed into transits and rangers and BT50's with an auto option. Also soon to be built in Thailand ;)

[loanrangie]

An auto TD5 Defender would have sold well and made it a proposition against the jap vehicles instead of being marketed at grumpy old men stuck in the dark ages.

[Dougal]

An auto TD5 Defender would have sold well and made it a proposition against the jap vehicles instead of being marketed at grumpy old men stuck in the dark ages.

Would it sway the hummer h2 buyers?

[Pickles2]

Of course an auto option would have been good.
BUT, NOT with 90KW 2.2 Puma, or for that matter, ANY engine that Defender has had, & what looks like, ever will have.
A lot of owners drive their cars predominantly on the roads, where getting off the line the Defender is dreadfully slow,...with an auto it would be even slower,....90KW is simply not enough to drive an auto.,,,IMHO of course.
However, place a decent engine in there, & the equation changes, & it could've,.... years ago,......but,.......it ain't gonna happen now.
We will have to wait for the "next" "Defender", to see what will happen.
Pickles.

[Grumbles]

An auto TD5 Defender would have sold well and made it a proposition against the jap vehicles

I agree with this. My last manual four wheel drive was six fourbys back. No auto option and it's immediately off my buying list.

[Keithy P38]

Could see what rocket rod has available at Wholesale Auto's... I doubt he'd have a conversion ready, but I'm sure he could do it!

[manic]

An auto TD5 Defender would have sold well and made it a proposition against the jap vehicles instead of being marketed at grumpy old men stuck in the dark ages.

I clearly don't pay enough attention to marketing. Is the defender for grumpy old men? Suppose I'll get there eventually.

If there had been an auto in the Defender TD5, they most likely would have sold very very few back then.

The NAS V8 auto made sense for the NA market, but they still didn't sell too well.

I think the current Puma is the best diesel candidate for auto so far, considering improvements in auto boxes with 100+ gears that can apply and use power much more effectively than 6 speed manuals. Also you have advantages of vnt turbo and a more advanced ECU system.

An auto puma would probably boost sales now that the defender is riding a pre termination boom and high up on the cool wall. From what I can see on the roads here in Melbourne there are a lot of people out there that would consider a D90 for a city run about. Even P platers with rich parents seem to be asking for them. Not having an Auto must keep a lot of these types at bay.

So yes, perhaps now is a good time in the market for an Auto box! Whilst I like to pretend that all defenders are used for grit, grime, work and adventure - I think we could all just about handle a short wave of 'Fashionistas' driving polished defenders around town at the risk of making us all look like a bunch of small pricked plonkers. The more defenders that are out there before termination, the better. Those that buy defenders for urban chic, wont keep them long. Ultimately they can all serve my spare parts bin.

Time is running out - Your country needs you - Procreate more defenders!

[Dougal]

Could see what rocket rod has available at Wholesale Auto's... I doubt he'd have a conversion ready, but I'm sure he could do it!

You know that Ashcroft have conversion kits ready to go?

[Redback]

Of course an auto option would have been good.
BUT, NOT with 90KW 2.2 Puma, or for that matter, ANY engine that Defender has had, & what looks like, ever will have.
A lot of owners drive their cars predominantly on the roads, where getting off the line the Defender is dreadfully slow,...with an auto it would be even slower,....90KW is simply not enough to drive an auto.,,,IMHO of course.
However, place a decent engine in there, & the equation changes, & it could've,.... years ago,......but,.......it ain't gonna happen now.
We will have to wait for the "next" "Defender", to see what will happen.
Pickles.

Same motor in the 2WD Ranger 6 speed auto.

Engine DIESEL TURBO F/INJ

Capacity 2,198 cc Size 2.2L

Cylinders DT4 Valve Gear DUAL OVERHEAD CAM

Bore x Stroke 86x94.6

Max Power 110kW @ 3700 RPM

Max Torque 375Nm @ 1500 RPM

Compression Ratio 15.7

No. of Valves 16

Baz.

[Dougal]

Same motor in the 2WD Ranger 6 speed auto.

Engine DIESEL TURBO F/INJ

Capacity 2,198 cc Size 2.2L

Cylinders DT4 Valve Gear DUAL OVERHEAD CAM

Bore x Stroke 86x94.6

Max Power 110kW @ 3700 RPM

Max Torque 375Nm @ 1500 RPM

Compression Ratio 15.7

No. of Valves 16

Baz.

For me 6sp is the point where some autos become livable. IMO anyone trying to sell a 4sp auto in a mass-market is in for mockery.

So we know they have a 6sp auto that will fit to the engine. But could it be made to fit with the LT230 and if so, how many $$ would this have taken?

A 6sp auto which fits the LT230 would open up A LOT of aftermarket conversion possibilities for RRC/D1/D2 and defender.

[Redback]

For me 6sp is the point where some autos become livable. IMO anyone trying to sell a 4sp auto in a mass-market is in for mockery.

So we know they have a 6sp auto that will fit to the engine. But could it be made to fit with the LT230 and if so, how many $$ would this have taken?

A 6sp auto which fits the LT230 would open up A LOT of aftermarket conversion possibilities for RRC/D1/D2 and defender.

D2 auto into a Defender, should work, which means??

Ford Ranger 4WD 3.2l 5 cylinder, it's 6 speed auto and TC into a Defender TD5, (same short motor apparently) should also work?? might be an expensive conversion though.

Is the Rangers TC the same as the LT230??

[Dougal]

Is the Rangers TC the same as the LT230??

Guaranteed not to be.

[Mammalalien]

While an auto option would have been good for sales, I'm glad they didn't do it. Would be like high-heeled gumboots.

[100inch]

2 of my 3 Defenders are auto and I considered converting my 110 Puma, but the conversion only gives you 4 gears and I thought that would be a step back coming from 6 gears. Saying that the anti stall works great and the gearbox needed a few k's to work smoothly so very happy with the manual now. m

[George130]

A lot of owners drive their cars predominantly on the roads, where getting off the line the Defender is dreadfully slow,...with an auto it would be even slower,....90KW is simply not enough to drive an auto.

Try driving one converted with the power boost!

My 130 could take most things off the mark. To much go for a 130 instead of not enough. Also good on the down hill when you locked it into low range 2nd or 3rd gear.

But I will consed it's not standard

[lyonsy]

the auto conversion performed by someone else is around 20k when i was talking to a guy who was about to perform one
it was something like 12k possibly more for the conversion from the uk plus fitting getting the electrics working
3.2's are also apprently a conversion possiblity but add anther 15-20k

so aftermarket is possible but expensive

[carlschmid2002]

While an auto option would have been good for sales, I'm glad they didn't do it. Would be like high-heeled gumboots.

And my ex wife could drive it.

[camel_landy]

Or just get a Disco... ;)

M

[akelly]

I now have an Amarok because LR wont make a defender with auto and cruise control.

For close to $60k on the road the 130 just does not stack up in that market sector anymore. Sure you get coils and discs on the back, but honestly, who cares? The driveability of the Amarok makes the 130 look like a Grey Fergie.

[Dougal]

The driveability of the Amarok makes the 130 look like a Grey Fergie.

That's the main point though isn't it? Very few people would come down to choosing between an Amarok and Defender for the same job because they are very different vehicles.

I think the Defender shouldn't be competing with the (ever larger) utes like the Ranger and Amarok. It should be competing with the landcruiser 70 for the heavy duty offroad use market.

[Trundle]

That's the main point though isn't it? Very few people would come down to choosing between an Amarok and Defender for the same job because they are very different vehicles.

I think the Defender shouldn't be competing with the (ever larger) utes like the Ranger and Amarok. It should be competing with the landcruiser 70 for the heavy duty offroad use market.

+1
Agree with this, I bought my 130 as a dedicated workhorse, and the only comparable vehicles were the Cruiser and Patrol, neither of which came with a dual cab in my price range. Hence the old 130.

[manic]

I now have an Amarok because LR wont make a defender with auto and cruise control.

For close to $60k on the road the 130 just does not stack up in that market sector anymore. Sure you get coils and discs on the back, but honestly, who cares? The driveability of the Amarok makes the 130 look like a Grey Fergie.

auto and cruise control .... :angel:.... the two most boring features any car can have :D :p

[DiscoMick]

Just buy a Disco.

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[Keithy P38]

An amarok! You really can't compare a 130 with that!

Bog stock standard, not a modification to either, take both up to cape york and then across the kimberlys and tell me which one still has all body panels and driveline components attached...

[s7000]

auto and cruise control .... :angel:.... the two most boring features any car can have :D :p

Depends where you're driving... ;)

[akelly]

An amarok! You really can't compare a 130 with that!

Bog stock standard, not a modification to either, take both up to cape york and then across the kimberlys and tell me which one still has all body panels and driveline components attached...

Yeah, because thats where you spend most of your time, right? Driving up Cape York or across the Kimberleys.

If you haven't looked under the Amarok I suggest you take the time to. The chassis is actually much better for off road than the defender - you can actually clean the damn thing inside after the beach or mud. The leaf springs and drum brakes are not the greatest options, but they work.

I wouldn't hesitate to take the Amarok on that trip - it would be more economical than the defender, more comfortable and with a decent set of tyres would have no trouble on the rough stuff.

As for auto - far better off road than manual. 8 speed auto in the 'rok craps all over my 130 on the beach.

[akelly]

+1
Agree with this, I bought my 130 as a dedicated workhorse, and the only comparable vehicles were the Cruiser and Patrol, neither of which came with a dual cab in my price range. Hence the old 130.

I thought I needed a 130 for my work truck. When I actually looked at my use over a 12 month period the time I spent in situations where I needed a heavy duty 4x4 was virtually zero.

Wont be the same for everyone of course, and hey, I have 2 other land rovers because I love land rovers!

Seems like many are making a similar decision though, since I cannot get rid of my 130, despite it being on the market for almost 6 months. Virtually no interest.

[2stroke]

If you haven't looked under the Amarok I suggest you take the time to. The chassis is actually much better for off road than the defender - you can actually clean the damn thing inside after the beach or mud. The leaf springs and drum brakes are not the greatest options, but they work.

I wouldn't hesitate to take the Amarok on that trip - it would be more economical than the defender, more comfortable and with a decent set of tyres would have no trouble on the rough stuff.

As for auto - far better off road than manual. 8 speed auto in the 'rok craps all over my 130 on the beach.
Can't argue with the comfort,the economy or even the value for money. Not convinced about the chassis being better for offroad though and I'll just stick to changing gears thanks. A mate bought one a couple years back and I checked it out, as you do. It has a lot going for it next to a hilux etc but I couldn't see anything that would make it better for a trip (for me that is).
I'll just stick to my fergie thanks, though I did see one on the lower section of the Canning last year so they're getting to be out and about a lot more these days.

[dullbird]

I really liked the amatok when they were released not sure I would get one though after my mates new one blew up and he had major dramas trying to get the thing fixed

[100inch]

I liked the more car feeling cockpit of the Amarok too, till I drove one for 2 days training. Really disappointed with the handling and suspension. Also big construction projects in WA replaced their VW's with Rangers...

[BMKal]

I liked the more car feeling cockpit of the Amarok too, till I drove one for 2 days training. Really disappointed with the handling and suspension. Also big construction projects in WA replaced their VW's with Rangers...

Which big construction projects would those be ????

I know plenty of projects over here that are running Amaroks. ;)

Also know plenty that are running Rangers too ............ they're both a good ute.

Holden Colorado seems to be doing quite well as company / fleet vehicles, though I wouldn't rate them against either the Amarok or Ranger myself.

Feedback I have is that the Ranger is a better tow vehicle.

The days of the HiLux being the only thing considered by mining / construction companies and the like has come to an end. Most people now recognize that there are plenty of better options for the same or less money.

Unfortunately, the company that I work for hasn't caught on though. The people in our plant department still can't see past the turd in a fishbowl bonnet emblem. They bought a few of the last Holden Rodeo's, but have since returned to the HiLux as the preferred ute in the fleet. :(

[Keithy P38]

Yeah, because thats where you spend most of your time, right? Driving up Cape York or across the Kimberleys.

If you haven't looked under the Amarok I suggest you take the time to. The chassis is actually much better for off road than the defender - you can actually clean the damn thing inside after the beach or mud. The leaf springs and drum brakes are not the greatest options, but they work.

I wouldn't hesitate to take the Amarok on that trip - it would be more economical than the defender, more comfortable and with a decent set of tyres would have no trouble on the rough stuff.

As for auto - far better off road than manual. 8 speed auto in the 'rok craps all over my 130 on the beach.

I do actually! Not specifically those spots, but terrain and conditions the same or even worse!

I do see your points, and I agree - an auto is amazing on sand (or anywhere for that matter, I won't buy another manual 4wd unless it's a steal). The defender deserves an auto.

[akelly]

I do actually! Not specifically those spots, but terrain and conditions the same or even worse!

I do see your points, and I agree - an auto is amazing on sand (or anywhere for that matter, I won't buy another manual 4wd unless it's a steal). The defender deserves an auto.

Lucky bugger!

[Keithy P38]

The joys of a FIFO lifestyle!

[camel_landy]

OK... How about removing the old, rose tinted spectacles for a moment and put your commercial head on.

If LandRover fitted an auto to the Defender... I'm sure they'd sell some but would they really sell any MORE? In reality, I suspect most sales would be at the expense of the manual Defender.

If they did sell any extras, would the profit cover the expense of development, tooling up, etc... and what about manufacturing? The Solihull site is at capacity and the Defender line takes up more than its fair share, any additional capacity would be at the expense of Disco 4, RaRo & RRS.

The numbers just don't add up.

You could probably commission LR Special Vehicles to produce one but then you'd then complain at the cost. :p

M

[100inch]

Which big construction projects would those be ????

I know plenty of projects over here that are running Amaroks. ;)

Also know plenty that are running Rangers too ............ they're both a good ute.

Holden Colorado seems to be doing quite well as company / fleet vehicles, though I wouldn't rate them against either the Amarok or Ranger myself.

Feedback I have is that the Ranger is a better tow vehicle.

The days of the HiLux being the only thing considered by mining / construction companies and the like has come to an end. Most people now recognize that there are plenty of better options for the same or less money.

Unfortunately, the company that I work for hasn't caught on though. The people in our plant department still can't see past the turd in a fishbowl bonnet emblem. They bought a few of the last Holden Rodeo's, but have since returned to the HiLux as the preferred ute in the fleet. :(
At least one big contractor at Wheatstone had his VW's replaced by the new Ranger. The main thing on the Amarok for me was the hard suspension on the back despite 4 blokes sitting in it and the soft on the front.

[Dougal]

The main thing on the Amarok for me was the hard suspension on the back despite 4 blokes sitting in it and the soft on the front.

I have yet to ride in a ute that didn't do that.

[DiscoMick]

Of course an auto option would have been good.
BUT, NOT with 90KW 2.2 Puma, or for that matter, ANY engine that Defender has had, & what looks like, ever will have.
A lot of owners drive their cars predominantly on the roads, where getting off the line the Defender is dreadfully slow,...with an auto it would be even slower,....90KW is simply not enough to drive an auto.,,,IMHO of course.
However, place a decent engine in there, & the equation changes, & it could've,.... years ago,......but,.......it ain't gonna happen now.
We will have to wait for the "next" "Defender", to see what will happen.
Pickles.

The Disco 300Tdi auto goes well enough. The development has been done.

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[Dougal]

The Disco 300Tdi auto goes well enough. The development has been done.

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A 4sp auto that was good 20 years ago wouldn't sell well today. Not to mention the Puma putting out a lot more torque at lower revs than the ZF had to deal with.

I don't see any of the 1994 disco development carrying over. They would need to have fitted the ZF 6 speed from the D3/D4 to be competitive.

Before anyone says "but Ashcroft do it". Yes I know that, but what the aftermarket can do/charge and what car manufacturers can do/sell are not the same.
The aftermarket isn't subjected to fuel economy requirements for a start.

[Redback]

We love our Amarok, yes it has had a couple of issues, one being a fitting error by an aftermarket fitter, the other was due too water and mud ingress into the bell housing:twisted: which was fixed by Prestige VW Wodonga, it goes where ever we go in the Disco, carrying a full tub load of wood and does it easy, yes unloaded it is harsh, but show me a ute that isn't, there is also a choice of rear leafs, comfort springs or heavy duty, tell me if Ford or Holden, Isuzu or Toyota offer this, will any of the Dualcab utes carry a full 1 tonne pallet in the tub and still be able to tow at it's full max capacity of 3 tonne legally.

Don't knock the Rok;)

Baz.

[frantic]

OK... How about removing the old, rose tinted spectacles for a moment and put your commercial head on.

If LandRover fitted an auto to the Defender... I'm sure they'd sell some but would they really sell any MORE? In reality, I suspect most sales would be at the expense of the manual Defender.

If they did sell any extras, would the profit cover the expense of development, tooling up, etc... and what about manufacturing? The Solihull site is at capacity and the Defender line takes up more than its fair share, any additional capacity would be at the expense of Disco 4, RaRo & RRS.

The numbers just don't add up.

You could probably commission LR Special Vehicles to produce one but then you'd then complain at the cost. :p

M
The numbers do "add up" it's just obvious LR couldn't be bothered.
In stop start traffic an auto goes far better than a manual and virtually every motoring writer recommended the D2 td5 auto over the manual.
The number of people I hear say, I would love to buy a defender but : my wife can't drive manual, my kid can't, my shoulder/leg/neck are damaged, our fleet only buys autos.etc.
The numbers would more than double sold, I wonder what's the ratio of auto to manual among ranger/BT50 and amarok?
As to cost? Umm borrow the 3.2 and the rangers auto gearbox as their made in the same plant. Also if the site is "at capacity" where are they going to put the extra 1600 workers they are putting on?
Is there an article or link? Last I read was a planned increase in production.

[Redback]

The numbers do "add up" it's just obvious LR couldn't be bothered.
In stop start traffic an auto goes far better than a manual and virtually every motoring writer recommended the D2 td5 auto over the manual.
The number of people I hear say, I would love to buy a defender but : my wife can't drive manual, my kid can't, my shoulder/leg/neck are damaged, our fleet only buys autos.etc.
The numbers would more than double sold, I wonder what's the ratio of auto to manual among ranger/BT50 and amarok?
As to cost? Umm borrow the 3.2 and the rangers auto gearbox as their made in the same plant. Also if the site is "at capacity" where are they going to put the extra 1600 workers they are putting on?
Is there an article or link? Last I read was a planned increase in production.

For me(in bold) this is no excuse, learn, but I do understand that you should have the option of having an auto in any vehicle, injury is one and preference is the other, I'm not an auto person, but we had no choice with the D4, even though a manual is available, LRA flatly refused to bring one in, I also understand why a lot of guys prefer the auto offroad, it does do a lot things easier than a manual, but and this is only my preference, I would love a manual D4, just because I love manuals.

Baz.

[Dougal]

The numbers do "add up" it's just obvious LR couldn't be bothered.
In stop start traffic an auto goes far better than a manual and virtually every motoring writer recommended the D2 td5 auto over the manual.
The number of people I hear say, I would love to buy a defender but : my wife can't drive manual, my kid can't, my shoulder/leg/neck are damaged, our fleet only buys autos.etc.
The numbers would more than double sold, I wonder what's the ratio of auto to manual among ranger/BT50 and amarok?
As to cost? Umm borrow the 3.2 and the rangers auto gearbox as their made in the same plant. Also if the site is "at capacity" where are they going to put the extra 1600 workers they are putting on?
Is there an article or link? Last I read was a planned increase in production.

How would they sell double when they can't make them any faster?

Even as they ramp up for a final push on production they will sell all they make.
They don't need to pander to those with useless left feet, all the manuals they make will be sold.

Those outside engineering rarely understand the work, time and cost involved in making new parts fit and work with existing parts.

[frantic]

How would they sell double when they can't make them any faster?

Even as they ramp up for a final push on production they will sell all they make.
They don't need to pander to those with useless left feet, all the manuals they make will be sold.

Those outside engineering rarely understand the work, time and cost involved in making new parts fit and work with existing parts.
Firstly a vast majority of the engineering is DONE. You can buy a 2.2 puma auto in a ranger overseas. Now to me reshapeing the 3-4 FLAT plates covering the gearbox and putting in a t-bar out of a d2 to fit the 6 spd auto is not a million dollar job.
As to production limits? The only evidence I've seen is they made roughly 50,000 series 3 ( they also made their own engines not a ford donk from an outside plant;) )in one year and they made up to 36,000 defenders in 97(again own engines). The defender may be made at the same site as the rest of the LR range but it is not on the same line.;)
Land Rover FAQ - History, Production, Sales - Production Data (http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.LR_production.html)
If somebody could show me any evidence that they are working 24/7 on the defender line and can't do more than 20k?

Whoops here is the proof, they are working 3 shifts 5 days a week ONLY. On the evoke. So they could , if the sales where there, ramp up to 75-80,000 defenders. As they are on seperate lines.
https://www.landrover.com/gb/en/lr/about-land-rover/land-rover-news/24hour-production-starts/

[PAT303]

The defender is not a hairdressers/gay/retro/SUV vehicle,it's a defender,full stop.I don't care if they sell more hiluxtritonisuzurodeo's because I'm not interested,I'm a defender driver and defender drivers drive,we don't want or need anything more than three peddles,a wheel and gearstick. Pat

[Dougal]

Firstly a vast majority of the engineering is DONE. You can buy a 2.2 puma auto in a ranger overseas.

Rubbish.

The ranger transferbox has nothing in common with a LT230. The driveshaft is on the wrong bloody side for starters.
http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/gallery/2012-ford-ranger-undercarriage-and-interior-scooped/T6_Ford_Ranger_7_Pavle.jpg

Bolting the engine to the gearbox is not job done.
Gearbox physically fit lengthwise?
Gearbox to transfer case physically fit?
Gearbox clearing prop shafts?

Assuming the above checks out the following work has to be done.
Design of interface and adapter housings gearbox to transfer
Design of adapter shaft.
Design of gear selector linkages.
Redesign of interior to fit and work.

Then commission prototypes, bolt together, find issues and repeat design process.
Then begin exhaustive testing. Find issues and repeat design process.


Now to me reshapeing the 3-4 FLAT plates covering the gearbox and putting in a t-bar out of a d2 to fit the 6 spd auto is not a million dollar job.

Hack job.
Read this bit again:

Those outside engineering rarely understand the work, time and cost involved in making new parts fit and work with existing parts.

[B92 8NW]

Hate to upset a few Defender drivers but there are several gay/lesbian Defender drivers on this forum... but you'd never know because they don't conveniently fit the stereotype of the ignorant.

We really need to get out of this mentality.

[cripesamighty]

Converting a 2.2 or 2.4 Puma engined Defender to an auto is a mission in itself. Have a look at Ashcroft Transmissions journey!

Ashcroft Transmissions (http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/defender-auto-conversion-kits/tdci-defender-auto-kit.html)

http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/images/source/Pumaspring08LRO.pdf

http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/images/source/Puma_auto_feb_09.pdf

[PAT303]

Hate to upset a few Defender drivers but there are several gay/lesbian Defender drivers on this forum... but you'd never know because they don't conveniently fit the stereotype of the ignorant.

We really need to get out of this mentality.

Maybe you should realise when someone is taking the **** ;). Pat

[camel_landy]

...it's just obvious LR couldn't be bothered.
Maybe they're doing it just to spite you?

M

[DiscoMick]

I see in a recent issue Land Rover Owner International mag. had a 90 converted to auto, but it doesn't say the cost.

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[cripesamighty]

The Ashcroft Transmissions link on my post above has their cost for the TDCi Defender Auto Kit listed as 4,335 Pounds.

The other two links from different Land Rover magazines dated from 2008 & 09 list what you get for that money in a bit more detail.