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8th March 2014, 06:26 PM
Hello,
a week ago I purchased what appears to be an early stage 1 Land Rover, however I am having trouble identifying it.

Unfortunately a previous owner has removed the Australian compliance plates, ( I will try to track them down )

This Land Rover seems to have had two main owners previously, with the person I purchased it from and myself just short time owners, and not driven it due to it's poor Rusty state.

This Stage one is Chassis number 43978 and engine number 22G0011 it will have been built in Australia as far as I know.

I Intend to use the diffs for another series three, but before I do I decided to check what I had first!

There are a number of curious features on this Land Rover the first being that the engine number is a low 11 the information I have seen indicates that it should be 22G00011 however this is not my mistake it is definitely 22G0011. the tag on the rocker cover states that ( the rocker cover at least ) was produced 4th month of 85 which is consistent with the engine having been changed.
There is also a mis match in the engine mounts and flat plates have been welded on, I don't know what went on there? It looks as a different type of engine with engine mounts further forward was originally fitted, ( perhaps an Isuzu Diesel )

There is a couple of crude floor gearbox plates to meet up to the plastic main G/ box cover.

There is a plate about 3/4" sandwiged between the rear of the bell housing and the front of the main gearbox.

The date print on the brake booster is 03ARP76 which seems to indicate that it might have been produced 3rd of a April 1976. It is [possible this may have been chaged I suppose.

I don't know how to read the glass date but it has dots over the A of Perma and over the G of Glass.

I have started to look for the actual chassis number but have not found it yet, I need more information on it's location.

I have a vague recollection that Rover Australia donated Land Rovers to sea rescue groups in the 70's or early 80's, Perhaps this may have been one of those.
There are Costal ( West Australian ) stickers all over it.

The original engine ( which may have been Diesel ) seems to have been replaced with the 3.5V8. because the plates reach backwards 2 or 3 inches to mate up with the Stage one engine mounts.

It is guess work at this stage, perhaps the numbers might mean something to the more experienced.

Mike from Western Australia.

Lotz-A-Landies
8th March 2014, 07:54 PM
The 22G00001 is for 90/110 8.31:1 CR Australia 1983 on so obviously an early Aussie V8 engine.

The engine mount mods do indeed sound like they are to convert a 4BD1 chassis to a v8.

The chassis number should still be on the rear LHS spring shackle bracket.

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8th March 2014, 10:22 PM
The 22G00001 is for 90/110 8.31:1 CR Australia 1983 on so obviously an early Aussie V8 engine.

The engine mount mods do indeed sound like they are to convert a 4BD1 chassis to a v8.

The chassis number should still be on the rear LHS spring shackle bracket.

Thank you, however the engine number is not 22G0001 it is actually about 10,000 less than that number which I would have put it much earlier?

Found Chassis number SALLBCAV1AF539206

Mike

101RRS
8th March 2014, 10:36 PM
Put that Vin into Clifton Scientific Text Services, the Netherlands (http://www.clifton.nl/index.html?calvin.html) and all is revealed - was originally a 3.5

Garry

JDNSW
9th March 2014, 06:27 AM
Put that Vin into Clifton Scientific Text Services, the Netherlands (http://www.clifton.nl/index.html?calvin.html) and all is revealed - was originally a 3.5

Garry

Won't tell you whether it originally had an Isuzu - that site thinks all Isuzu engined Landrovers had the V8. (They were assembled from V8 kits and modified during assembly)

John

plus 30
9th March 2014, 01:50 PM
I have borrowed a camerahttp://E:\DCIM\100NIKON\DSCN2911.JPG

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/965.jpg

I hope that these work as Tiny Pic has been a problem for some reason.

plus 30
9th March 2014, 02:02 PM
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/966.jpg Showing engine number 0011

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/967.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/968.jpg
Showing the crude gearbox cover modification, and gearbox spacer or adapter.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/969.jpg
Showing the engine mount modification.

Please let me know if these don't turn out.

Mike

plus 30
9th March 2014, 02:13 PM
Won't tell you whether it originally had an Isuzu - that site thinks all Isuzu engined Landrovers had the V8. (They were assembled from V8 kits and modified during assembly)

John

Thanks John, looks like you are shedding some light on it.
This Stage 1 looks to have originally been set up with a different drive line then by 1985 had a factory 3.5 fitted, perhaps the original owner didn't like the Diesel rattles in the boddywork.
The really odd thing is that the chassic number shows a V8 engine but this doesn't seem to have been fitted untill a cuple of years after production.
It is really hard to pin down an original date, The Chassis number information is somewhat vauge, does anyone know componet dates that I can look into, I know other manufacturers date all their componets, if that was the case, I might get this puzzle worked out better.

The gearbox has a huge hand brake drum too, I don't know what size they are supposed to be?

Mike

Lotz-A-Landies
9th March 2014, 02:14 PM
I have borrowed a camera IMG]http://E:\DCIM\100NIKON\DSCN2911.JPG[/IMG]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/965.jpg

I hope that these work as Tiny Pic has been a problem for some reason.The first image won't work because it is hosted on your own machine (or connected to the computer by a cable to the camera)

When you post the tiny pic images, just paste the code from tinypic don't try to use the post image function because it is giving double codes.

I have fixed other posts.

plus 30
9th March 2014, 02:30 PM
Thank you for sorting out my pictures.
I have now done another search, and solved the mystery

I now see that there is another digit to the engine number making it 22G00119, this is still a low number and seems to indicate that it took till 1985 for 119 of these V8 stage one models to be produced. ( If the engine tag date is correct ) All this raises the question is this vehicle of any historical significance?

I searched around and found a gearstick knob showing 5 gears and realise the chassis nunber indicated that it was originally a 4 speed, that accounts for the gearbox spacer plate and the modified engine mounts, looks as if originally the Stage ones had an engine mounting with two lower attatching bolts either side and not the circular 4cyl type mount with one stud top and bottom.

The fan must have originally been much shorter too.

Thanks for everyone's help,

Mike