D4 wheel alignment

[Bluepippa]

Hi all..

D4 2010, with a wonky steering wheel...
I've had the wheels fully aligned at the local tyre specialist, but every time it's done the steering wheel is left off centre.

Any suggestions?

Cheers

[sniegy]

Take it back & get them to fix it correctly.;)

[cripesamighty]

For some reason it seems a lot of tyre places have problems with wheel alignments on 4WD's in general and Land Rovers in particular. They reverse the toe-in, toe-out on Landies (compared to Asian 4WD's) or don't set them up properly before they start (tight tolerance mode). There are a few threads on the forum about it which you can find using the search function at the bottom of the page.

These links should help make a start

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/93220-aulro-discovery-3-4-rrs-faq.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/119575-hdc-fault.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/176746-wheel-alignment-tight-tolerance-mode.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/163693-d3-wheel-alignment.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/156194-d3-wheel-alignment.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/157446-llams-wheel-alignment.html


cheers,

Cripesamighty

[ADMIRAL]

[QUOTE=Bluepippa;2103882]Hi all..D4 2010, with a wonky steering wheel...
I've had the wheels fully aligned at the local tyre specialist, but every time it's done the steering wheel is left off centre.

Any suggestions?

Is the vehicle fading right, and the steering out because you are correcting it, or is the s/wheel actually off centre ? Either way they should fix it.

[Bluepippa]

Is the vehicle fading right, and the steering out because you are correcting it, or is the s/wheel actually off centre ? Either way they should fix it.


Hi.. The car runs straight as an arrow, but the wheel is 5 degrees of centre to the right.
I've booked it into a dealer under warranty on Monday... Will report back..

Cheers
D

[justinc]

'tis an easy fix for those that know how to align rack and pinion steering equipped vehicles....Surely they aren't that inert????:o


Agreed, take it to the dealer and get it done right. Steering angle sensor will need setting afterward as it has an input into stability control programs.


JC

[nat_89]

Hi all..

D4 2010, with a wonky steering wheel...
I've had the wheels fully aligned at the local tyre specialist, but every time it's done the steering wheel is left off centre.

Any suggestions?

Cheers

I had the same problem with mine when i first picked it up brand new from the dealer last month and i drove out of the dealer noticed it within a minute turned around it spent an hour and a half trying to get it fixed came back worse, i said efff it i got to get home another 6 hour drive and i drove home very cranky because it was probably only 5 degrees aswell but i like it perfect haha took it to the local people in my small town and thought surely they can't fix it but no i was wrong its perfect now!!!

[JPI]

Hi all..

D4 2010, with a wonky steering wheel...
I've had the wheels fully aligned at the local tyre specialist, but every time it's done the steering wheel is left off centre.

Any suggestions?

Cheers

The suspension needs to be set into a special mode which locks the suspension into place prior to the alignment. This seems to be a task that only dealers can do because when I approached Beaurepaires, who do the wheel alignments for my local LR dealer, they said I had to take it to the dealer first so the suspension could be locked. I get the wheels aligned every 6 months because they seem to get knocked out very of alignment very easily, especially considering we do very little off-road work. This approach has extended my tyre life massively.
Cheers
John

[lpj]

The suspension needs to be set into a special mode which locks the suspension into place prior to the alignment. This seems to be a task that only dealers can do because when I approached Beaurepaires, who do the wheel alignments for my local LR dealer, they said I had to take it to the dealer first so the suspension could be locked. I get the wheels aligned every 6 months because they seem to get knocked out very of alignment very easily, especially considering we do very little off-road work. This approach has extended my tyre life massively. Cheers John

I'd be interested to know how much you pay for a 6 monthly alignment. At some point, the cost of multiple alignments eats into the total cost of ownership of the tyres. I'm not saying it's not worth getting them aligned but wouldn't mind knowing the sums.

I'm still running the OEM Wrangler's and are not particularly interested in extending their life, but when I do replace them with something better, regular alignments will be on the cards.

Luke

[discotwinturbo]

The suspension needs to be set into a special mode which locks the suspension into place prior to the alignment. This seems to be a task that only dealers can do because when I approached Beaurepaires, who do the wheel alignments for my local LR dealer, they said I had to take it to the dealer first so the suspension could be locked. I get the wheels aligned every 6 months because they seem to get knocked out very of alignment very easily, especially considering we do very little off-road work. This approach has extended my tyre life massively. Cheers John

Or you can remove the suspension fuse at the tyre place.

Park car and leave it turned on, pop bonnet, remove the yellow suspension fuse, suspension fault comes up, then let them park it on the aligner. No suspension movement at all.

The first time that would not have it that this was needed, so they agreed to my terms after they aligned it without pulling the fuse. Went around the block and put it on the aligner again...it was out. Then they did it my way, aligned, took it around the block, and put it on again....perfect.

Have done this 6 times now, and no wheel alignment issues at all....much faster away then having it put into tight tolerance mode each time.

Brett......

[Bluepippa]

Or you can remove the suspension fuse at the tyre place.

Park car and leave it turned on, pop bonnet, remove the yellow suspension fuse, suspension fault comes up, then let them park it on the aligner. No suspension movement at all....


Sounds to easy...
Does this work for the D4?
Do you set the suspension normal or off road before popping fuse?
Does the suspension fault warning cause any long term problems or does it clear after popping the fuse back in?

Daryl :-)

[discotwinturbo]

Sounds to easy... Does this work for the D4? Do you set the suspension normal or off road before popping fuse? Does the suspension fault warning cause any long term problems or does it clear after popping the fuse back in? Daryl :-)

That is for the D4. I would expect the same with a D3.

Leave as normal ride height.

Fault clears once the fuse is up back in, after the alignment is done.

Restart and all good.

Brett....

[phl]

The suspension needs to be set into a special mode which locks the suspension into place prior to the alignment.

Or use the IID Tool (or one of the BBS products) to put it into tight tolerance mode.

[Bluepippa]

Right so after a couple of hours at a main dealer, the steering wheel is straight..
I've asked for a print out, but it appears the wheel alignment was way out.... I asked about the tight tolerance mode, but the tech manager says that everyone asks about it, but they never do it... So the question still stands why did the local tyre garage get it so wrong :-(

[boofdtl]

May be his gear is out of calabation

[ADMIRAL]

Right so after a couple of hours at a main dealer, the steering wheel is straight..
I've asked for a print out, but it appears the wheel alignment was way out.... I asked about the tight tolerance mode, but the tech manager says that everyone asks about it, but they never do it... So the question still stands why did the local tyre garage get it so wrong :-(

So many variables. It could be as simple as not attaching the heads to the rims properly. ( quite a common issue now with some of the multi spoked wheels and curved rim edges )
More likely that the vehicle was not settled when they aligned it. The vehicle needs to be driven in 'normal' height mode for a few klms ( I think LR recommend 10...seems excessive ) to settle the suspension before commencing any alignment. I think you are asking for trouble lifting the vehicle from access height as you put it onto the wheel alignment ramps. If you cannot put it into tight tolerance mode, at least open a door or pull the main suspension fuse to stop the suspension from moving. From experimentation with my own vehicle, even with the vehicle in tight tolerance mode, if you haven't settled the suspension properly, ( driven it around the block at least ) the alignment will be out.
It also highlights that if you are using Llams or whatever to vary the suspension height, it does need to be realigned at your chosen drive height.

[Celtoid]

Right so after a couple of hours at a main dealer, the steering wheel is straight..
I've asked for a print out, but it appears the wheel alignment was way out.... I asked about the tight tolerance mode, but the tech manager says that everyone asks about it, but they never do it... So the question still stands why did the local tyre garage get it so wrong :-(


HI Mate,


I'm confused .... who never does it (TTM)?, as in LandRover or other wheel alignment places?


My understanding is, if you don't lock the car in TTM or maybe the equivalent, you will never get it right, unless you arse it.


Most tyre and mechanical places I've been to have no idea what TTM is or have any semblance of understanding of the affect EAS has on wheel alignment.


Took mine once after some suspected under body damage to a new BMW place, cause it was local and my nearest LR guy was a retard and was completely uninterested.


These guys (BMW) had the latest and greatest of kit .....


Next LR service a few weeks later .... 6mm out!