BMW X5 Wheel load ratings

[smoov]

Good evening all.

Looking at BMW X5 17's for my D4.

Load ratings have me somewhat stumped.

I've done the searching, found nothing here, nor elsewhere on the interwebz. BMW don't have the load ratings on their wheels, but there has been discussions about axle loads, and I've started to think about load ratings on tyres.

Searching has revealed that minimum tyre load rating on 2001'ish X5 with 17" wheels begin at 103 (according to wiki, it's 875kg) to 109 (which is 1030 kg).
I've also heard/read rumours that BMW over-engineer everything with an additional 25% tolerance (not banking on that fact, but a little reassuring).

Surely, any car manufacturer would not sell a vehicle with tyres that are over-rated in terms of load rating in relation to the wheel's load rating capabilities?

D4 wheels are rated at 940kg.

So if recommendations for up to a 109 (1030) load rating tyre for an X5 17" rim, would one be correct to assume (I hate that word) that the X5 17" rim would be deemed legally correct in terms of load rating?


Cheers

[Vern]

Was a fair bit of info about this on the ausamarok forum as the BMW and landrover wheels fit an amarok.

[NavyDiver]

There are so many variations of X5 17 inch rims you need to be careful which one is which. I have X5 17 inch on Mick T MTs and am in the assumed and assured club. Used mine in some very challenging areas with zero issues to report except my winch is now a bit bored.

[bbyer]

Land Rover Cromodora wheels have load rating moulded into the back side of the spokes. I would think BMW would be the same.

Post 7 on this thread link below shows a couple of jpg's typical of the inside of a LR Cromodora wheel as does the jpg below.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/188587-discovery-wheel-id.html

Somehow I doubt any normal production vehicle has wheel rating requirements equal to the 3 or 4; not the FFRR anyway.

[Redback]

I'm fairly sure that 940kg is the max load rating for the D3/D4/RRS, but also they have a minimum rating also, and from info here that rating is 860kg, pretty sure this info was supplied by either GGhaggis or Graeme, I would contact them to be 100% certain.

I ran E53 BMW 17" rims on my D4 for 2 years without any issues.

Baz.

[Redback]

Was a fair bit of info about this on the ausamarok forum as the BMW and landrover wheels fit an amarok.

Centre hole is too big for the Amarok which is 68mm, but is identical to the D2/D3/D4/RRS of 73.5, offset is +43 for BMW and +57 for LR, I would imagine this is because of when BMW owned LR when the D2 was introduced.

Baz.

[smoov]

Land Rover Cromodora wheels have load rating moulded into the back side of the spokes. I would think BMW would be the same.

Post 7 on this thread link below shows a couple of jpg's typical of the inside of a LR Cromodora wheel as does the jpg below.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/188587-discovery-wheel-id.html

Somehow I doubt any normal production vehicle has wheel rating requirements equal to the 3 or 4; not the FFRR anyway.

I'd hate to say this, bbyer, but you're not quite correct.
Factory stock D4 TDV6 18's have no load rating cast onto them.
BMW definitely don't. Have looked at various types, none have load ratings.

The ones I have picked up were the five spoke jobs, made in Austria.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/609.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/xyv7ascul/)

These will inevitably be used as bush rims, shod with some BFG KM2's in 265/70/17.. They will be kept on for some periods of time (plan on repainting the street wheels currently on it)

Baz - I was hoping you would reply, and you have. Thanks :)
Reassuring to hear that you've had trouble free experiences.

[winaje]

Smoov, you asked the same question on the AULRO FB page, got given a specific answer that the BMW rims are not rated highly enough from Sniegy, and believe me he would know. You then said that you've taken his advice onboard and immediately discarded it...

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here, apart from to find someone who will validate your investment...?

[Redback]

Personally Will, I don't see an issue with the BMW rims, as would a few on here that have and are still using them without issues, some have been using them a lot longer than me and one of the reasons I chose them.

I have seen a lot of load rated aftermarket rims crack and break over the same period I had my BMW rims on and these rims where rated higher than the LR rims, and these were both steel and alloy rims.

I have a lot of respect for Sniegy but I also have a lot of respect the others that have these rims on, both with engineering backgrounds.

Baz.

[winaje]

Hi Baz. I'm actually not putting forth an opinion on the suitability or lack thereof of the rims as such. My comment was more to do with the previous way the OP had viewed advice given him, and had "immediately discarded" it.

Thanks

[smoov]

Smoov, you asked the same question on the AULRO FB page, got given a specific answer that the BMW rims are not rated highly enough from Sniegy, and believe me he would know. You then said that you've taken his advice onboard and immediately discarded it...

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here, apart from to find someone who will validate your investment...?

Actually, the question wasn't asked there.

I was merely showing a photograph of the powder coating, and to be more social, before people got on and got narky, and then I saw the true side of Land Rover owners on Facebook (which was rather unfortunate, as I've been tinkering with cars for quite some time, and people in other marques and circles are much more friendlier, even when giving opinions and advice that is in contrast to that of your own).

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one

Just because I disagreed, there was no need for Sniegy to get Snooty. I don't care what he does for a crust. No one knows what I did/do for a crust!


Personally Will, I don't see an issue with the BMW rims, as would a few on here that have and are still using them without issues, some have been using them a lot longer than me and one of the reasons I chose them.

I have seen a lot of load rated aftermarket rims crack and break over the same period I had my BMW rims on and these rims where rated higher than the LR rims, and these were both steel and alloy rims.

I have a lot of respect for Sniegy but I also have a lot of respect the others that have these rims on, both with engineering backgrounds.

Baz.

Exactly. I did my research for over twelve months, and I wasn't happy with the options on offer. I chose to take this route because it was proven.


Hi Baz. I'm actually not putting forth an opinion on the suitability or lack thereof of the rims as such. My comment was more to do with the previous way the OP had viewed advice given him, and had "immediately discarded" it.

Thanks

I was on Facebook to be social. I don't take tech advice from random people I have never met on the internet.
I am on the forums to read, and learn from advice and people's experiences.
I'm not here for a popularity contest. I apologise if you find my attitude offensive, but again, I don't take advice from random strangers, regardless of their curriculum vitae.

Cheers

[101RRS]

I don't take advice from random strangers, regardless of their curriculum vitae.

Cheers

Well if you don't take advice from random strangers, why do you come on forums seeking information from random strangers. :confused:

Oh - I have the other type of 17" BMW rims for my RRS and while I cannot find a load rating given they vehicle they come off they would have to be similar to my RRS wheels. By the way my standard RRS wheels which are the same as fitted to some D3s do have the load rating cast into them - 940kg.

Garry

[smoov]

Well if you don't take advice from random strangers, why do you come on forums seeking information from random strangers. :confused:

Garry
Because I've been previously reading for the last twelve months of who is writing what, and how it correlates with Land Rovers.

Easier to see who is talking **** or not.

[SimmAus]

FWIW - I didn't take offence; merely saw it as a "second opinion" request, which is totally acceptable; the beauty if these forums is that there is a collective wisdom, some from technical some from practical application. We shouldn't discourage this sharing I think; end of the day - it's your decision. :-)

[Graeme]

I'd prefer not to know a load rating unless its as high as the LR rims because the X5 rims on my D4 have done a good job for the last 100K and I've squeezed them onto my van's HD hubs too.

[chuck]

I was in a tyre shop the other day & purchased some second hand Landrover rims & tyres.

There were some genuine second hand 20" Stormers I was interested in however their load rating was not correct for a D4.

The interesting thing was I could have bought Chinese copies that had a far higher load rating stamped into them, this would have fulfilled my legal duty however it was pretty obvious that they are not as well made as the genuine rims.

[bbyer]

I found the link below from an Italian aftermarket wheel manufacturer. The page highlighted shows where rim markings may also be found, that is on the rim perimeter, often the visible side. In Japan, apparently that is where the authorities like to see at least some of the markings.

It also appears that the markings will only be found on what might be called quality rims that would be marked into the EU or Japan as both have marking requirements, and apparently enforce them. I guess that is why any OEM Land Rover rim without at least some markings would surprise me. As to kg load rating, there is the thought that without a load rating, the rim is deemed good for some minimum number.

What this really means is that here in North America, as long as it is near round, a wheel can be legally sold with no markings at all, or to accommodate all manufacturers and retailers, misleading markings.

As to if the wheels can be safely or legally mounted on a vehicle, that is between the vehicle owner, his insurance company and any governing authority, (if there is one), usually after the accident.

Oz Racing - Technology - Wheels - MARKING (http://www.ozracing.com/technology_det/Wheels/25117/MARKING.aspx)

[winaje]

As to if the wheels can be safely or legally mounted on a vehicle, that is between the vehicle owner, his insurance company and any governing authority, (if there is one), usually after the accident.

Absolutely correct. Here in Aus the insurance companies will do their best to find any way to deny a claim. If ANY mod renders the vehicle illegal, the insurance company will do their best to deny, and there's a good chance that any TAC or CTP insurance will be declined as well. Heaven help someone who hurts or kills a person and then has TAC/CTP denied, as well as insurance and third party liability, hope they have deep pockets for a long time as they will be personally liable for any costs arising for the injured party/ies.

This is not "cyber bullying or scaremongering" BTW, just unfortunate facts in this litigious crazy world we live.

[Redback]

This may help with load rating, not the same rim but gives you an idea.

BMW x5 staggered 19" alloys with good michelin diamaris load rated tyres - VW T4 Forum - VW T5 Forum (http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php't=246988)

[smoov]

Absolutely correct. Here in Aus the insurance companies will do their best to find any way to deny a claim. If ANY mod renders the vehicle illegal, the insurance company will do their best to deny, and there's a good chance that any TAC or CTP insurance will be declined as well. Heaven help someone who hurts or kills a person and then has TAC/CTP denied, as well as insurance and third party liability, hope they have deep pockets for a long time as they will be personally liable for any costs arising for the injured party/ies.

This is not "cyber bullying or scaremongering" BTW, just unfortunate facts in this litigious crazy world we live.

Thanks...