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SlowRide
18th March 2014, 07:24 AM
I'm looking for a fun, small, light, RWD pocket rocket as an ongoing project, and something that'll provide me a different driving experience to my shoebox-on-wheels fourby. Not looking for a horsepower hero, but I do want something that will be fun to fling around corners and hinterland roads... like I used to 20 years ago.

I'm not really into modern options - I like steel bumpers and DIY-friendly mechanicals. I'm not looking for a finished resto either - i'm looking for a fixer-upper to keep me occupied between jobs/projects - something I can overhaul myself. But not a basket case.


I've narrowed it down to two classics - a Cortina Mk1 and a BMW 2002. Here's a couple of neato examples available on Carsales right now:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/658.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/659.jpg



Can anybody sway me one way or the other?

85 county
18th March 2014, 07:38 AM
if you want the fun to drive then the 2002 with out a doubt.

the Cortina has some inherent issues like body flex and weight. You can jack up one wheel and the other 3 will stay on the ground. twin front sway bars. you can graft on latter Cortina bits or Capri bits for suspension and brakes but its a bit of a bugger. Much easier to do if its a Mk2

i would love a 315 or better a 315 Capri

lro11
18th March 2014, 07:50 AM
Why don't you look at a 323i e21 parts will be easier to get plus a much better m20 engine but still looks like the 2002 just make sure you don't get a pre 1980 vehicle

Mick_Marsh
18th March 2014, 07:53 AM
The Cortina would be rarer. May be easier to sell later. There are lots of 2002's on the market (compared to Cortinas).
Just another way of looking at it.

PhilipA
18th March 2014, 08:26 AM
I would go for an E21 323i as noted above.

They only became available with manual AFAIR in 1979( I ordered them) and the 81 five speed was much nicer on the highway vs the 4 speed.

A real prize would be a Motorsport or JPS which I designed the graphics for as they had an LSD , Bilstien suspension and Recaros.
They still are OLD cars now and had D jetronic which will have a very old distributor now , and they also had rocker arm wear problems.

Cortina GTs are a generation older, but still OK in a vintage sort of way but mechanicals are very simple and plenty of parts around..

IMHO as a drivers car an Escort GT1600 or Twin Cam , or Capri 3.0 are also contenders , but cheap interiors would need a lot of restoration.

I had a 1600 which predated the 2002 ,but also early 2002 were 6 volt which is a pain.
Regards Philip A

redrovertdi
18th March 2014, 08:29 AM
Definately the 2002 but an early round tail light model preferably in Ti spec, i would avoid Tii as it is mechanical injection[kugelfisher] and obsolete[so i was told], i had a 70 model with Ti side draft solex mikuni carbs and it went like stink, leathal in the wet[no weight in the back end] but great fun for 10 years

Chucaro
18th March 2014, 08:43 AM
I used to have 2 Cortina Gt MK1 and one MII
To me they are excellent cars, simple to fix beautiful reliable engine and box.
If the Cortina that you are looking is the 440 then I would go for the BMW.

SlowRide
18th March 2014, 08:53 AM
I guess I have my winner - I don't want an inherently flexy car.

This will be a 'forever in my garage' car so i'm buying/building based around that assumption. A car that will put a smile on my face every time I look at it and drive it.

The E21s are worth a look in but I find the 2002's more appealling, and enthusiasts seem to hold them in higher regard. And to tell the truth I actually prefer the bimmer fours to their sixes - back in the day I owned a '90 318is and it was without a doubt the best handling car I ever owned. Nothing could match it on a twisty bit of road - and no amount of abuse was too much for that drivetrain.

As for the drivetrain - it won't be staying stock (unless I get a real tii). M42B18 and 5-speed box would be the likely transplant.

101RRS
18th March 2014, 09:08 AM
Definitely the 2002 - the later BMW mentioned is nice, is not a "classic" and does not fit the the requirements outlined.

If you were to go for a Mk1 Cortina you would then need to go to Lotus but you are not likely to find or maybe afford one of them.


The E21s are worth a look in but I find the 2002's more appealling, and enthusiasts seem to hold them in higher regard. And to tell the truth I actually prefer the bimmer fours to their sixes - back in the day I owned a '90 318is and it was without a doubt the best handling car I ever owned. Nothing could match it on a twisty bit of road - and no amount of abuse was too much for that drivetrain.

Go the Tii - I don't agree about the handling of the 318i - in 1977 I was after a new car and I was looking at the then newly released BMW 318i, a 2 litre Alphaetta GTV and a Lancia Beta Coupe - the Lancia was the superior car in overall performance (one was a little quicker) but the worst handling was the BMW. I ended up buying the Lancia. Was in the days before I got into 4wding but still managed to do the Flinders Ranges and Wilpenna Pound - bashed in the sump, also did the the track betweeen Dargo and Mt Hotham no issues. Noting this was 36 years ago and what are now roads were just 4wd tracks at the time.

Go the BMW 2002 - one of the cars I would have liked to have owned but never did.

Garry

SlowRide
18th March 2014, 09:27 AM
A 1977 318i can't hold a candle to a 1990 318is ;) Not really fair to paint them with the same brush.

Rick1970
18th March 2014, 07:31 PM
I have a soft spot for the MK1 Cortina's. I had a 2 door years ago, mate had a 4 door and his father had 4 door GT with Bob Holden built, ex Escort Lotus twin cam engine for many years....


There was a MK2 Cortina GT in town years ago with a legally engineered Rover V8 in it.

Vern
18th March 2014, 08:47 PM
I have a soft spot for the MK1 Cortina's. I had a 2 door years ago, mate had a 4 door and his father had 4 door GT with Bob Holden built, ex Escort Lotus twin cam engine for many years....


There was a MK2 Cortina GT in town years ago with a legally engineered Rover V8 in it.

My uncle has a mk1 with a 400+ cubic inch mechanical injected Windsor in it:twisted:.
It does flex a little, but that's due to the fact that it lifts both front wheels off the ground on take off:D

pop058
18th March 2014, 08:58 PM
Had a MK1 GT many years ago. Great car, easy to work on and heaps of fun to drive.

loanrangie
18th March 2014, 09:07 PM
My uncle has a mk1 with a 400+ cubic inch mechanical injected Windsor in it:twisted:.
It does flex a little, but that's due to the fact that it lifts both front wheels off the ground on take off:D

Conversely my brothers mate built a 1980 323 BMW with a 350 and T400, fully decked out in JPS black scheme and gold BBS rims, put a few Brock dunny doors to shame back in 1985.
One mate had a Mk1 Escort with a 302 windsor and C4.

2 rocks
18th March 2014, 11:49 PM
It'd be the 2002 for me...and find yourself a friendly fibreglass to knock you up a period style aero kit and it would be scary beast :p

And I agree, a 2002 was something I always wanted to own and never did, I had a full set of the Fiat 124 Sports instead :cool:. But oh, to have a 3.0 CSI done up to look like 3.0 CSL :twisted:...aaah Lotto
Cheers
Mike

pop058
19th March 2014, 06:42 PM
MK1 Ford Cortina 1965 4 Door Sedan | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MK1-FORD-CORTINA-1965-4-Door-Sedan-/201052213514?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item2ecfa5510a&_uhb=1)

:D

Rick Fischer
30th March 2014, 05:44 PM
I'm currently running an E30 325i which I restored and then added turbo and it is a "hoot". Beautiful touring car and if one wshes to give it a bit of wellie it goes around corners with the best of them. Still light you see.

Given druthers on your offering I'd go down the Cortina route more so if you could get GT furniture and power plant and running gear, better still a GT :) GT Cortinas will only go up...............Ditto E30 M3s but people want ridiculous money for trash heaps, or should I say trashed heaps.

Cheers

RF

85 county
31st March 2014, 10:35 PM
Mk 1 2 door
Mk 4 zephyr 3 ltr V6
ford transit box with Mk3 zephyr cluster
Mk 1 dif with a Mk 3 center
remote brake booster
triumph PI front disks and calipers
twin front sway bars
widened 14" wheels made out of 8 WE falcon rims
GT60, 205s
350 holly
Heaters and lake pipes made by me
rails plated, plates under the back seat
floor of the boot cut out and tube welded in

this was when i was 17, it followed a 186 in a triumph herald

SlowRide
17th April 2014, 10:48 PM
Well, my original criterion turned apex over base somewhere along the line. Screening Carsales for a bargain I found this - a mint 328i garaged since new with full service history, low kms, manual, black leather interior and 100% compression on all cylinders... all for a whopping $6K! Best part is it's super intuitive car for a DIYer like me.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/600.jpg

If you want to find me, come g'day while i'm burning up Chittering Rd.

33chinacars
18th April 2014, 03:29 PM
Nice,:D:D very nice