Changing offset of Wolf rims

[POD]

Planning on fitting 255/85 tyres to the 130, I'm thinking of changing the rim offset, this is pretty common with disco rims, wondering if anyone has done it to Wolf rims?

[isuzutoo-eh]

I'm pretty sure brendanm had 10" rims put on his 130/wolf centres.

[MLD]

I'm pretty sure brendanm had 10" rims put on his 130/wolf centres.

POD did you want to merely change the offset or widen the rim as well. Merely changing the offset on the wolf rim is the same process as the disco 1 steelie. Grind out, flip and re-weld. Have you spoken to Eastern Wheel Works for an indicative price?

Grafting the centre onto a wider rim is a little more problematic. Finding someone that makes a rim rated for the 130 will be a hurdle. I contemplated that route for my 35" rubber and after speaking to a few reputable places that repaired rims the feedback was too hard to source a rated rim to suit the centre or they were asking too much money. Brendan did it so it's not impossible.

MLD

[TonyC]

Hi Pod,

Flipping 130 rims will increase the offset IE: a narrower track.

I assume you want less offset IE: a wider track.

My 130 rims are the riveted type, and have room to decrees the offset by about 10mm.

Tony

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Don't early 130s have a negative offset rim ANR5334 while the later ones have a positive offset rim ANR5593?

[DeeJay]

Don't early 130s have a negative offset rim ANR5334 while the later ones have a positive offset rim ANR5593?

Did the 130 come with Wolf rims?? I assume POD fitted them aftermarket? I never quite knew if they were standard.

[TonyC]

Don't early 130s have a negative offset rim ANR5334 while the later ones have a positive offset rim ANR5593?

I thought all 130s and HC110s had 16x6.5 inch 20.6mm positive offset steel wheels.
There are tubed and tubeless and "Wolf rims" were the later ones with the holes in the centres.

I didn't think any Land Rover had negative offset wheels.

I believe Disco 1 steels and alloys and Defender alloys are 16x7 inch 33mm positive offset.

Tony

[POD]

Mine are indeed 16x6.5 with 20.6mm offset, pretty sure they are the original rims supplied with the vehicle. The ones with the round holes.
I wound the steering stops in to improve turning circle not long after I got the vehicle, it made a significant difference to the turning circle, would be a pain to lose it again with the wider tyres as I would be back to doing a 3-point turn to get out of my own driveway. Thinking that if I had the rim offset decreased somewhat it would ameliorate (there's a word I don't get to use every day) the effects of the wider tyres, as I've read reports from others that they rub on the suspension arms.
Eastern Wheel Works quoted $70 per rim a while back to change offset of Disco rims; cost of repainting / powder coating would have to be added to this. I imagine the 130 rims would be the same cost, just wondering how much they can be altered. I don't expect they would be able to be changed as much as the Disco rims, as the centre part is 1/2" narrower.

I experimented a few months ago with doing this job myself on some Disco rims, I have a large lathe that I can mount a 16" rim in to cut the welds. That was all well and good, but I found that once the welds are cut, I was unable to separate the two parts of the rim because of corrosion in the interface between the two pieces, there's quite a lot of contact surface and they knit together pretty effectively, it would need a large press with suitable jigs to separate the two halves after cutting the welds. Even with a fair bit of heat applied to the barrel, I damaged 2 out of 3 rims trying to separate them. The one that I succeeded in getting apart appeared newer than the others.

Anyway, I was wondering if the offset of the Wolf rims can be changed enough to make it worthwhile.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I happy to be proved wrong, but I am still sure you will find that the very early 120/130 6.5 rims have a negative offset.

The late series IIb 6.5" 569203 rims are significantly negative in their offset. Probably the most negative you will ever find in a 6.5" rim. (Unfortunately they are not tubeless rims and most are riveted.)

[TonyC]

I happy to be proved wrong, but I am still sure you will find that the very early 120/130 6.5 rims have a negative offset.

The late series IIb 6.5" 569203 rims are significantly negative in their offset. Probably the most negative you will ever find in a 6.5" rim. (Unfortunately they are not tubeless rims and most are riveted.)

Hi Diana,
You could be right, but my 95 130 has 20.6 positive, I always assumed 120s had the same wheels as 110s, maybe someone with a 120 could chime in.

I'll bow out when it comes to the more esoteric LR such at IIBs :D

Tony

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I've been wanting to get a measuring stick on all the LR rims to confirm exactly what is what and the part numbers that go along with them.

You are however correct that the ANR5593 have ta 20.6mm positive offset because that one is in the parts manuals.

We haven't touched upon the legal/engineering issues of changing the track by going from negative to positive.

[POD]

I don't know whether it has changed over the years but the Vic regulations used to state that the track of a vehicle could be widened by no more than 50mm. This would mean that the 20.6mm offset of these rims could be decreased to -4.4mm and remain within the law. The legalities of modifying rims is another matter, I don't know what the story is there.

[rar110]

I have tubeless wolf rims marked with part no ANR4583. I also have late tubed 130 rims with part no ANR5593, with holes in the rim.

I wouldn't want a wider track as wolf rims throw quite a bit of mud up the side already.

[Shingleback]

Planning on fitting 255/85 tyres to the 130, I'm thinking of changing the rim offset, this is pretty common with disco rims, wondering if anyone has done it to Wolf rims?

Hi POD, how'd you go? Did you end up changing the offset of your wolf rims? I too have a set of six fitted with 255/85/16 tyres and they do indeed rub on full lock and just rub the rear spring mounts when off road. Am considering changing the offset too, be good to hear if it is worth the effort.

Andrew.

[303gunner]

Diana, AFAIK the early 130s were ANR1534 rims. These are also 16x6.5 with 20.6+ offset, the same as the ANR5593 Tubed "Wolf" rims, however the centre disc of the 1534's have a much more pronounced dish than the Wolf type, so the profile of the rim section gives the appearance of Negative offset. The 5593 centre has a flatter shape and joins the rims section at a position closer to the centreline.


There is a possibility to be looked into of combining the centre disc of the ANR5593 wheel with the rim profile of the ANR1534 to achieve a negative offset wheel, but the change would be over an inch. ANR 1534 rims are tubed type, and have been made in both welded and riveted style.

[POD]

Hi POD, how'd you go? Did you end up changing the offset of your wolf rims? I too have a set of six fitted with 255/85/16 tyres and they do indeed rub on full lock and just rub the rear spring mounts when off road. Am considering changing the offset too, be good to hear if it is worth the effort.

Andrew.

I didn't go ahead with changing offset, when I put the 255/85 tyres on I found it was no real problem. The fronts do rub on the control arms at full lock, but the lock is still better than with the steering stops at the factory setting and the turning circle is acceptable. Haven't noticed any rubbing at all in the rear.

[Shingleback]

I didn't go ahead with changing offset, when I put the 255/85 tyres on I found it was no real problem. The fronts do rub on the control arms at full lock, but the lock is still better than with the steering stops at the factory setting and the turning circle is acceptable. Haven't noticed any rubbing at all in the rear.

Thanks for that. The rubbing at rear on mine is only at full articulation and not by much, mabey my air bags (no springs) allow a bit more travel? I still think it would be good to change offset but admit it ends up costing a bit and the stuff around factor. Main advantage would to hopefully get a bit better steering lock.
Cheers,
Andrew.