rear seats of cargo perenti

[labrado]

Hi folks,
Does anyone know in Victoria if it's possible to add seat belts to the rear seats(troopy style) of a cargo perenti and make it registered as an 8 seater? If possible, what would the cost be?
I'm keen to buy one in the near future.:p

Thanks in advance!
Wei

[Mick_Marsh]

I would suggest probably not.
Check out the ADR's relevant to seatbelts (ADR5 rings a bell) and work out a method of conforming to the ADR. Then run it by am automotive engineer. It would be easier to get the engineering done on an Infantry Carrier or Assault Pioneer variant.

[isuzutoo-eh]

It must have been possible, as the civvy One Tens were available as a 9 or 10 seater (registered as a Motor Omnibus, no less!), using the same sort of seats. My County still has the seats, albeit no seatbelts, but there are anchor points still fitted I think. Buried under a false floor mind you...
Then again, the civvy seats are a 1980s modification not a 2014+ modification.

[Blknight.aus]

not legal.

the sideways seats didnt have seatbelts. It was a military exemption to carry troops in the back. Time was they could be driven anywhere with guys in the back, then it was for use in exercise and operations only, then it was an operational requirement only, then that stopped. (hence the IIMV variant of the 6x6.)

you might get away with putting seat belts in but most likely as the sideways seating postion wouldnt comply you'd most likely not get it plated.

[Mick_Marsh]

It must have been possible, as the civvy One Tens were available as a 9 or 10 seater (registered as a Motor Omnibus, no less!), using the same sort of seats. My County still has the seats, albeit no seatbelts, but there are anchor points still fitted I think. Buried under a false floor mind you...
Then again, the civvy seats are a 1980s modification not a 2014+ modification.
Ah! But Wei is talking about seating them in a cargo tray 6x6 which is complianced for three.

[Mick_Marsh]

not legal.

the sideways seats didn't have seat belts. It was a military exemption to carry troops in the back. Time was they could be driven anywhere with guys in the back, then it was for use in exercise and operations only, then it was an operational requirement only, then that stopped. (hence the IIMV variant of the 6x6.)

you might get away with putting seat belts in but most likely as the sideways seating position wouldn't comply you'd most likely not get it plated.
One of my 101's has been engineered for sideways mounted bench seats. I was also looking at a troopy Landcruiser as used by a government funded conservation group. It was a fairly modern late 2000's at a guess. It had sideways mounted rear bench seats. I saw them driving off with three people a side seated in the back.
I reckon if you tried, you probably get the Infantry Carrier or Assault Pioneer engineered.

[Blknight.aus]

the problem lies in the current requirement of reading the ADR's..

lets say I have a nice 1940's vehicle that doesnt have seatbelts. but I want to fit a seat belt. (remember they are primarily a cargo carrying vehicle that conveniently has the ability to haul people if needed)

to fit one seat belt means I must comply with the regulations for the seatbelts on the day that the seatbelts are installed which means I cant just fit one for the driver, or the front row, I have to fit them to all seats.

The requirement for seat belts on all seats predates the perentie fleet. which means that except for the ADF was exempted from doing it if you want your 10 seater perentie legally able to seat 10 you have to fit seatbelts.

I strongly suspect that as the seats were put in as a "3rd class ride beats a first class walk" kind of deal and was just enough to keep the grunts happy, you'll probably find the seats dont even come close to being of acceptable standard from an ADR/Engineer standpoint.

Good luck with trying to work out what the classification of the rear seating is and how/where to mount your seatbelts.

Interslow is not letting me load the commonwealth sites ATM but I think the change for no sideways seating came in in about 2009/20011 and was hinted at as early as 2000, VSB 5 covers seatbelts and adding extra seats so would be a good place to start looking.

[Mick_Marsh]

But, the seat belts are already installed in the Infantry Carrier or Assault Pioneer.
These vehicles were, what, 1990? I'm guessing they won't be far from complying with the ADR's at the time. Needs to be looked at.
My two old Mercs (a '65 and '70) don't require to have seat belts (pre '72) but I wanted them. Only had them installed in the front. No engineering required as the mounting points were already there (being imported vehicles). All I had to do was bolt in ADR compliant belts (readily available in autoparts shops). There were no problems with the registration authorities.

[Blknight.aus]

But, the seat belts are already installed in the Infantry Carrier or Assault Pioneer.
These vehicles were, what, 1990? I'm guessing they won't be far from complying with the ADR's at the time. Needs to be looked at.
My two old Mercs (a '65 and '70) don't require to have seat belts (pre '72) but I wanted them. Only had them installed in the front. No engineering required as the mounting points were already there (being imported vehicles). All I had to do was bolt in ADR compliant belts (readily available in autoparts shops). There were no problems with the registration authorities.

theres a lot of difference between the IC the AP and the GS....

and hes talking about the GS in the first post.

[labrado]

... It would be easier to get the engineering done on an Infantry Carrier or Assault Pioneer variant.

those are 6x6, right? I can't drive 6x6 as I have no Light Rigid licence and also prefer the agility of a 4x4.

[weeds]

I asked the question of a mate that engineers mods and fits blue plates in Queensland and has had a lot to do with land rovers and perenties

Yes is the answer to your question.........

Cost, if he was to do the work $3500

Cost doing yourself >$1000 including engineering

It's all about getting to the right advice first up

[Mick_Marsh]

theres a lot of difference between the IC the AP and the GS....

and hes talking about the GS in the first post.
Yes. I agree with that. I thought the IC and AP would better suit what he is trying to achieve.
I was at Pucka the other day. What should drive past me? A GS with troops loaded up in the back. They were crammed in.

[Landybitz]

No problem at all fitting either seats or rear belts for side ways facing passengers. ( Queensland that is )

We have completed two recently, one Army one civilian.

A little more difficult for rear facing seats ie RFSV, but possible if you follow the regs correctly.

[knodes85]

Landybitz - I'm hoping to throw a pair of these (http://www.exmoortrim.co.uk/store/defender-products/load-area-seats/tip-ups-detail.html) with belts facing each other in the back of my hardtop Puma directly behind the two front seats.

Is that something you think could be achieved in QLD?

[Blknight.aus]

Landybitz - I'm hoping to throw a pair of these (http://www.exmoortrim.co.uk/store/defender-products/load-area-seats/tip-ups-detail.html) with belts facing each other in the back of my hardtop Puma directly behind the two front seats.

Is that something you think could be achieved in QLD?

Probably, but not as easily as you might imagine, mainly because of the way they would have to be attached. You'd have to build a decent size frame for them to bolt to.

A better set would be the kind that fold, have their own internal drop down folding legs and mounts in the floor for the legs to locate into. Then you only have to worry about the security of the mounts for the back rest and the hinge bracing.

[Petpar]

I have fitted three lap seat belts on the passenger side rear bench seat. I was told by the guy that gave me the pink slip for the last rego that after the belts were fitted I would need to come back and have an RMS (RTA) "adjustment of records" form completed and processed. He said that the actual capacity is 11 persons, 8 in the back and 3 in the front (small seat over the centre rifle rack). If registered for 11, you need a bus licence, so I have stuck with just the three in the back and three up front. It helps if the person in the middle in the front is small !!. I have not carried anyone in the extra seats yet as I have been too busy fixing other things to get back for the "adjustment of records" check.

[DBT]

If registered for 11, you need a bus licence ...

Unless the NSW rules have changed in the past 12 months, this is not correct. You can drive up to a 12 seater with a normal car license. Up to last year I owned a Hiace Commuter that was converted down from 14 to 12 seats for this reason. Certified and all.

Having said that, anything with more than 10 seats would be classified as a "heavy vehicle", for inspection purposes, regardless of weight. Thus a HVIS certified inspector would need to issue the pink slip. But you can still drive up to a 12 seater vehicle on a car license.

(This is for NSW).