brake lines query

[shaunh]

anybody have any experiences with the automec brake line kits?

like this one?
Automec Land Rover Series 1 ALL 1 4 Inch Brake Pipe KIT | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Automec-Land-Rover-Series-1-all-1-4-inch-Brake-Pipe-Kit-/321144032018?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac5ad0b12&_uhb=1)

just wondering if they are any good or not

cheers in advance

[Scouse]

I have no experience with Automec but I prefer to use steel pipe myself.


Plain copper pipe is a no no here but I'm not sure about the copper nickel.

[gromit]

Used Automec in the UK years ago and their kits were well made.

Land Rover Series One Brake Parts Page 5 (http://www.dingocroft.co.uk/acatalog/Series1_Brakes-p5.html)

The Kunifer (copper/nickel/iron) was the tubing mainly used by UK restorers to resist the salt on the roads (if the vehicle was driven in winter).

Personally I've never had much luck with pre-made brake lines. They always seem too short or too long.
I make my own (but haven't done the 1/4" pipes on an 80"), mind you I did the reservoir to brake master on an 86" which is 1/4".

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/55.jpg (http://s1245.photobucket.com/user/cradley/media/Series%201%20with%20Welder/DSCF3456_zpsdde951b5.jpg.html)

Bent using my thumbs (I tried a fancy bender without success).


Colin

[shaunh]

thanks for the info colin, so what metal would you suggest steel or the kunifer?and get a roll instead of the pre cut lines? and if i get a roll where would i get the fittings? are the brake line all 3/16" and the resovoir to master cylinder 1/4"?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I think you may find that copper/nickel pipes are no longer legal in Australia. At least this was what I was told by a blue slip inspector a couple of years ago.

[chazza]

I think you may find that copper/nickel pipes are no longer legal in Australia.

They are, but it depends where you live.

Buy 1/4" steel bundy tube; a double-flaring tool and and a tube bender for the tight bends and make them yourself :D

Cheers Charlie

[Scouse]

where would i get the fittings? Any decent brake specialist will be able to get the brake pipe fittings in for you, or I'm sure the UK restoration places will carry them too. Their weight/size shouldn't make postage too expensive.

[gromit]

thanks for the info colin, so what metal would you suggest steel or the kunifer?and get a roll instead of the pre cut lines? and if i get a roll where would i get the fittings? are the brake line all 3/16" and the resovoir to master cylinder 1/4"?

On an 86"/88" yes mostly 3/16" then 1/4" from the reservoir.
As already mentioned, you can get the steel tubing & tube nuts or flare nuts from a brake specialist. I've found it can be expensive so you need to shop around.
Paddocks list the tube nuts & flare nuts at a reasonable price.
Land Rover Series 2, 2A and 3 Master Cylinder Parts | Paddock (http://www.paddockspares.com/parts-and-accessories/land-rover-series-2-and-3/brakes/master-cylinder.html#p=2)

You then need a reasonable double flaring tool which can be expensive.
I have an old Snap-On metric flaring tool which does a great job on Imperial tubing.

I carefully took off the old pipes, and used some string to work out the length needed (add a bit extra).
I straightened the new tube when cut to length then fitted a tube nut or flare nut and did the first double flare. Then I carefully started to bend to shape, offering it up to the vehicle to check until I was happy and could work out exactly where the second double flare needed to be.
IMPORTANT, fit the tube nut or flare nut before forming the second double flare !!

All cutting should be done with a pipe cutter, a hacksaw creates particles which will end up in the brake system.

Steel bundy tube should last OK and as mentioned copper isn't allowed in some States. If you use Kunifer how do you prove to the tester that it isn't copper ? Colour is different but you might end up with a problem.

Best of luck.


Colin