Roo Systems Remap

[~Rich~]

Hi all,
I have not been able to find the Roo Systems thread but there is a new uTube video released:
ROO SYSTEMS ECU REMAPPING - YouTube (http://youtu.be/sgLF0crCwII)

Drag test was a surprise!

[101RRS]

His opening statement was get up to 300kw but the white was only 240hp (about 170kw).

[tiddy]

His opening statement was get up to 300kw but the white was only 240hp (about 170kw).

Yeah, but 243.3hp at all four wheels is pretty impressive nonetheless, be interesting to compare the cost is this remap against the other remaps available.

Now if only they could develop some more affordable 18' rims as well.

tiddy

[Gus67kg]

I spoke with Steve at Roo Systems in Brisbane on Thursday, he said the remap is about $1500.00
They are still looking for an install agent in Sydney

Graham

[CaverD3]

ouch.

I think Superchips guy from NZ will do yours for less and give you a bluefin unit to put it on and off.

[CaverD3]

But you need to get the exhaust upgrade too to get that particular tune?

[101RRS]

That cost is certainly a lot more than the BAS map - also the guy in the video is the Toyota guy from 4wd Action magazine - not sure whether that is good or bad but neither have cred with me.

garry

[CaverD3]

The D4 has a Bosch anti-mapping firmware which has to be broken in order to map. Roo are probably bench mapping the chip.
Superchips bench maps the chip to allow the map to be put on or off at will like the BAS map.

[Pilbara130]

Awesome I want one.

[~Rich~]

I love the red & black one, looks awesome.

[SBD4]

I am with you there Rich!

[weeds]

That cost is certainly a lot more than the BAS map - also the guy in the video is the Toyota guy from 4wd Action magazine - not sure whether that is good or bad but neither have cred with me.

garry

Pretty sure the guy in the vid is the owner of roo systems.........soo just because he drives a Toyota and associated himself with a magazine you write him off??

If you are right on pricing than they may struggle with there product.......but I know a few that swear by his products and reputation.

[SBD4]

Pretty sure the guy in the vid is the owner of roo systems.........soo just because he drives a Toyota and associated himself with a magazine you write him off??

If you are right on pricing than they may struggle with there product.......but I know a few that swear by his products and reputation.

correct, he is also the owner of the white D4 with the remap.

[weeds]

correct, he is also the owner of the white D4 with the remap.

Checked out he D4 at the 4wd show today..........the number plate pretty much confirms who may own it

It was the best looking car on their stand by far.........didn't look and quicker or more powerful than the white D4 I parked next in the carpark

[plaven]

So now we know why he bought the D4.

There was a bit of controversy about it when it was announced in these forums, and he copped it a bit with the 4wd action crew too.

I think you'll find the history with Glenn is he has a landcruiser and a patrol. Im guessing as test vehicles for his business.

[strangy]

After the dozens of reports on LC forums (son has a 200 series) with damaged injectors and subsequent engine destruction....all having this companies product "upgrade" as the common factor, I wouldn't touch a thing these blokes offer.

[Meccles]

Have read some fairly unflattering comments about quality of Roosystems work on a Patrol and Landcruiserpoint forum. The drag test was meaningless as no times were posted. Video shows them opening the ecu which would void the warranty. So not for me.

[CaverD3]

All D4s have to have the chip opened and bench mapped. it is the only way to bypass the Bosch system.

Please stop saying something will void a warranty. Warranty still has to be honoured unless the modification caused the failure. Modification to ECU could give them as reason to try to refuse a claim for engine failure though.
Some map suppliers provide their own warranty to cover your engine shpuld manufacture refuse to pay. Don't know about Roo systems though.
The advantage of the Superchips map is you can return it to factory settings for the service (orafter gine failure?)

[Tombie]

Except the mod to enable Superchip to map the ECU is traceable

[Redback]

You know I can understand remapping a 2.7l D4, but a 3.0l, that I don't get:confused:

Baz.

[Tombie]

You know I can understand remapping a 2.7l D4, but a 3.0l, that I don't get:confused:

Baz.


Agree... The 3.0l is more than enough really.

[Datt]

Agree... The 3.0l is more than enough really.

Until your best buddy goes and puts a 6.6L Duramax conversion into his Pootrol. I know I don't need to but is very tempting to get more out of my 3.0L.

Matt.

[Redback]

Until your best buddy goes and puts a 6.6L Duramax conversion into his Pootrol. I know I don't need to but is very tempting to get more out of my 3.0L.

Matt.

This comes to mind

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/1042.jpg

[tup39]

Until your best buddy goes and puts a 6.6L Duramax conversion into his Pootrol. I know I don't need to but is very tempting to get more out of my 3.0L.

Matt.

If your at Melrose for the Easter land rover show you'll see a 6.6L duramax in a defender...:o

[josh.huber]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php't=193732

D3/D4 Power Upgrades up to 300hp on the tyres

[josh.huber]

I think that's the link your looking for. Basically filled with lots of people slagging something they havnt rang up and researched and Mitchell bros who started the thread didn't reply too.

[SBD4]

I think that's the link your looking for. Basically filled with lots of people slagging something they havnt rang up and researched and Mitchell bros who started the thread didn't reply too.

Interesting that your perception is "lots of people slagging". I read it as genuine contribution and assistance by a number of well experienced people.

[josh.huber]

It could very well be read that way but when I invited people to phone the company and get the information I received from roo no one rang them. Its easy to sit at the arm chair and be critical of new things. I just found it a backwards step to a group who wants people to manufacture aftermarket parts and accessories for them. I mean no harm to anyone involved in the previous threads I didn't agree with some of gordans comments but I purchase his goods and respect his opinion none the less. I'm not trying to prod the fire again but that's my opinion of what you get when you go against the stream

[josh.huber]

Caver that's what they told me when I rang to enquire about the work.
But you need to get the exhaust upgrade too to get that particular tune?

[jonesy63]

Until your best buddy goes and puts a 6.6L Duramax conversion into his Pootrol.

Then get your buddy to take 7 people into an undercover car park... followed by an economy run... then take some furniture or other load from point A to B.

Lastly, go back and get your buddy out from being wedged in the carpark! :wasntme::D

[Datt]

If your at Melrose for the Easter land rover show you'll see a 6.6L duramax in a defender...:o

Wish I could be there for it. Looking forward to seeing some vids of it.

[Datt]

Then get your buddy to take 7 people into an undercover car park... followed by an economy run... then take some furniture or other load from point A to B.

Lastly, go back and get your buddy out from being wedged in the carpark! :wasntme::D

Yeh I see what you're saying but each to their own, horses for courses etc.

I'm a Landrover tragic (since birth, born into it) but don't mind saying it'll be a well setup rig, just won't admit it to him:D

[Tombie]

It could very well be read that way but when I invited people to phone the company and get the information I received from roo no one rang them. Its easy to sit at the arm chair and be critical of new things. I just found it a backwards step to a group who wants people to manufacture aftermarket parts and accessories for them. I mean no harm to anyone involved in the previous threads I didn't agree with some of gordans comments but I purchase his goods and respect his opinion none the less. I'm not trying to prod the fire again but that's my opinion of what you get when you go against the stream


What people want is safe, proven, reliable products.

The power upgrade they quoted is way beyond the final result.

Also on other forums peoples experiences have proven troublesome and in other instances suffered damage.

As a diesel mech you should be aware of just what is needed to get more from a Diesel engine.
Fuel + boost = power. Now factor in limitations of design and operating tolerances.

Tuners around the world with far more experience aren't pushing this hard for a damn good reason! And they operate in much nicer environments conducive to higher performance.

If people want to buy a bargain priced piece of camping gear etc from them then that's their choice/budget..

But to risk a $15-20k engine on a tune from a place with so much contradictory data in way of reliability etc could prove to be false economy.

It's very different to buy a vehicle, whack out a pile of products and then move on to the next as opposed to living with and owning the vehicle for its entire early lifetime.

[jon3950]

Interesting that your perception is "lots of people slagging". I read it as genuine contribution and assistance by a number of well experienced people.

Well put Sean.


Its easy to sit at the arm chair and be critical of new things.

What's not so easy is to apply many year's of experience to critically analyse the claims that these companies make, which is what I saw happening. You asked a question, you got some answers from various people, some of whom I know to have plenty of knowledge in this area. I am no expert but I have been involved with modifying and tuning engines long enough now to be cautious of any claims made anyone trying to sell a product such as this.

It is very easy to increase power from a standard production engine, but it always comes at a cost - be it emissions, fuel consumption, driveability, reliability or simply poor value for money. By critically analysing the claims these companies make you can then decide if the benefit outweighs the cost - to me they don't.

If you see that as slagging, then I'm sorry. Its your money, if you want to spend it that way then go for it - but, caveat emptor.


Cheers,
Jon

[jon3950]

What people want is safe, proven, reliable products.

The power upgrade they quoted is way beyond the final result.

Also on other forums peoples experiences have proven troublesome and in other instances suffered damage.

As a diesel mech you should be aware of just what is needed to get more from a Diesel engine.
Fuel + boost = power. Now factor in limitations of design and operating tolerances.

Tuners around the world with far more experience aren't pushing this hard for a damn good reason! And they operate in much nicer environments conducive to higher performance.

If people want to buy a bargain priced piece of camping gear etc from them then that's their choice/budget..

But to risk a $15-20k engine on a tune from a place with so much contradictory data in way of reliability etc could prove to be false economy.

It's very different to buy a vehicle, whack out a pile of products and then move on to the next as opposed to living with and owning the vehicle for its entire early lifetime.

Mike, you have been saying way too many things that I agree with lately. This has to stop. ;)

Cheers,
Jon

[Tombie]

Sorry :)

[101RRS]

Mike, you have been saying way too many things that I agree with lately. This has to stop. ;)

Cheers,
Jon

I agree - is a bit of a worry - is the sky about to fall in :o

Garry

[CaverD3]

LR have already produced a more powerful remap on this engine for the FFRR.

[SBD4]

LR have already produced a more powerful remap on this engine for the FFRR.

...and RRS 215Kw /600NM

[Geedublya]

Do you know it is the same engine?
There may well be greater cooling capacity and/or different lubrication systems/capacity or other tweaks to handle the greater load.

[SBD4]

Do you know it is the same engine?
There may well be greater cooling capacity and/or different lubrication systems/capacity or other tweaks to handle the greater load.

I can't be sure. But a reasonable guess would be yes.

versions of the 3 litre Diesel:

155Kw/520nm disco <== I understand there are mechanical differences on this one
180kw/600nm==> original version before new variants were released
183kw/600nm disco
190kw/600nm rrs/ffrr
215kw/600nm rrs

[jonesy63]

Yeh I see what you're saying but each to their own, horses for courses etc.

Nope - I call it a "one trick pony"! :D

[jonesy63]

I thought I saw somewhere about the torque being increased to 800NM. With the ZF 8HP70 only rated to 700NM, I hope I was seeing things. :eek:

[clubagreenie]

Given it's a Bosch system, I wonder if it shares the same remap lock out the D2 does where after 12 writes whatever went on last is it.

[Meccles]

I rang them I also looked at comments on other forums re work done. Suffice to say no re map is envisioned for all reasons Tombie lists. Too much at stake.