Fuel Problem Stage 2

[whitedog]

Well Boys I have a new query for you.
As I stated the new fuel pump intank and both senders and crossover pipes replaced. All new genuine parts.
Headed off from Ballina had 3 beautiful days of the car running like a dream.
Fourth day running along alas message Fuel injection system and I lost about 50% power but car did not stop as before,no air in lines all good.
Turned car off cleared the message and away I went. This has occurred twice today. Took fuel filter off and drained it off we went.
Any thoughts cause it still has to be a fuel problem. I am thinking fuel filter now and am in Bathurst with no luck.
Denis

[Laurie]

Denis
If your desperate for a fuel filter go to the nearest large truck dealer or truck repair centre. Either would be a agent for AC Delco or Fleetguard filters. They should be able to match up a filter for you. ;) I used to use Fleetguard filters on all my vehicles till I discovered Karcraft.

Best of luck
Laurie

[harlie]

What is the actual fault code - not whats displayed on the dash, what is in the ECU when read with a diognostic scanner. We are talking engine ECU which is OBD2 standard so any OBD2 scanner can read the faults we need.

If the system is displaying a message, it is going into self protect mode - the computer thinks there is something wrong - weather there is or not is another point. You need to make the ECU happy and to help, we need to know what it is crying about. This goes for any thing that the car tells you about, the car might not be right, but to trouble shoot, at times when the car says there is an issue, you need to know exactly what it is saying and start there.

Denis, please get the codes read and post up then we can tell you exactly which way to go - any local mechanic (or NRMA roadside) can read the engine ECU.

[whitedog]

Thanks a lot Laurie good to know.

Harlie many thanks and will get it read today in Bathurst. Computer was cleared and reset at Ballina so we will see what it says today.
Will post am update when I have info.
Denis

[whitedog]

Hi Harlie

Well limped into Blayney at half power.Yes NRMA had OBD2 but can you guess it wasn,t working. Local mechanic had same but could not connect.
So no choice but to limp into Orange for Landrover dealer to diagnose what the car is crying about.
Oh Woe is me it showed four fuel injectors in very bad way. No choice but to let them do the work. Taking out mortgage on the house tomorrow ****
It seems the car immobiliser was locking me out each time I tried to start it as it thought someone was trying to start the car illegally. Inline fuel pump tested with plenty of pressure, but will purchase a spare online for any future need.
Hope to god it will be fixed this time.
Will let you know how I go.
Denis

[harlie]

Time to purchase a diagnostic kit to have in the car. :(

[whitedog]

Harlie

Will do for sure.Can you please advise what is the diagnostic kit I am looking for and where can I purchase it at what cost approx.
Denis

[33chinacars]

You will want an IIDTool From GAP Diagnostic.

[harlie]

Denis, there are several available.

There are PC/tablet based systems, or stand alone.

IMO if you carry a laptop on your travels then the pick is AllComms. You pay for the cable and then his software is free and often updated - download from his site but the software only works with his cable.
http://www.rswsolutions.com/index.php/range-rover-mkiii/mkiii-all-comms

Like Gary I have IIDTool which is handy as it doesn't need a laptop and lives in the car, but it is painfull using the tiny screen after you are used to PC/Tablet based systems. It also doesn't have a complete data base and often returns "unknown code" with the 4 digit number, which you then have to find out what it is. After using other systems that have a complete DB, it ****s me to have to go and find what the code is - the kit should translate it - thats the point of a dedicated diognostic kit - it doesn't have to do anything else! (can anyone tell it returned a couple of 4 digit codes recently...)

[whitedog]

Thanks for info on diagnostics fellas.
Have gone to the website you gave me Harlie and it looks good. Definately the way to go.
Many thanks
Denis

[Laurie]

Denis
Can you please let us know the trouble with the injectors; to me and I've been around diesels most of my life, to have 4 injectors go at the same time is very puzzling :eek: Unless there was fuel contamination or on common rail diesels a harness fault ??? I just wonder did all that movement around your fuel tank kick some krudd loose and into the fuel system.
Once or twice a year if you don't use a diesel additive, it's good insurance to use a fuel (anti-algae ) conditioner.
I hope it's just dirty nozzles for your wallets sake.

Laurie

[harlie]

yeah, doesn't sound right to me.

[jonnyjon05]

Denis, there are several available.

There are PC/tablet based systems, or stand alone.

IMO if you carry a laptop on your travels then the pick is AllComms. You pay for the cable and then his software is free and often updated - download from his site but the software only works with his cable.
MKIII All Comms (http://www.rswsolutions.com/index.php/range-rover-mkiii/mkiii-all-comms)

Like Gary I have IIDTool which is handy as it doesn't need a laptop and lives in the car, but it is painfull using the tiny screen after you are used to PC/Tablet based systems. It also doesn't have a complete data base and often returns "unknown code" with the 4 digit number, which you then have to find out what it is. After using other systems that have a complete DB, it ****s me to have to go and find what the code is - the kit should translate it - thats the point of a dedicated diognostic kit - it doesn't have to do anything else! (can anyone tell it returned a couple of 4 digit codes recently...)

Can the Suspension (Lift) be adjusted with the RWS Device?

[Laurie]

RWS Working Diagnostic Sub-Systems

Recode Steering Angle Sensor Module
Recode Body Control Module
Read & Clear Faults - ABS
Read & Clear Faults - SRS Air Bag System
Read & Clear Faults - Headlight Leveling
Read & Clear Faults - Air Suspension
Read & Clear Faults - HEVAC
Read & Clear Faults - Body Control Module
Read & Clear Faults - Seat Module
Read & Clear Faults - DSP
Read & Clear Faults - Left HID
Read & Clear Faults - Right HID
Read & Clear Faults - Instrument Pack
Read & Clear Faults - Lighting Control Module
Read & Clear Faults - Navigation Module
Read & Clear Faults - Parking Assist Module
Read & Clear Faults - Engine Petrol Immobilizer
Read & Clear Faults - Engine Petrol
Read & Clear Faults - Engine Diesel
Read & Clear Faults - Rain Sensor
Read & Clear Faults - Steering Angle Module
Read & Clear Faults - Security Module
Read & Clear Faults - Transfer Box
Read & Clear Faults - Transmission Petrol
Read & Clear Faults - Tire Pressure
Customize - Body Module (2002-2004)
Customize - Lighting Module (2002-2004)
Customize - Calibrate Air Suspension
Customize - Vehicle Entry Functions
Customize - Parking Sensor Functions

Laurie

[whitedog]

Hi Fellas

As promised I am now submitting my update on the car.
Landrover Orange nailed it. 6 new fuel injectors and the car is reborn.
Appreciate all the support and help given to me by all on this forum.
Cheers guys until next time.........Hopefully NOT.
Can't help lovin this car.
Denis.

[whitedog]

Hi Laurie and Harlie
I use fuel additive on a regular basis. The injectors when the backflow test was done showed one injector very very bad and another was nearly as bad and two others below requirement. This confirmed the diagnostic readings.The fuel was not going to the engine and returning to the tank, hence my symptoms was loss of power and very difficult to start.
This was a completely new problem to the pump in the tank which made the car stop at half a tank. I queried the guys in Orange could it have something to do with the work done in the tank. They were definite No as anything would not get past the filter. They tested the filter flow and it was perfect. They told me the injectors were the original and so I opted to replace the six of them.
Very big chance I got crook fuel as I travel a lot with the caravan.
Denis

[whitedog]

Hi Boys
Bringing all you helpers up to date. I am still on my trip and as you know had the in tank pump replaced at Ballina. Got as far as 19 days of travelling and guess what: The in tank pump failed.
Had it replaced as well as in line pump at Warrnambool and bringing failed pump home to pursue Landrover for refund.
Now I have another question:
Intermittently after turning the engine off I am experiencing a carry over of about three seconds.Us old boys used to call it pre ignition.
Any thoughts on the cause of this would be much appreciated.
Thanks again
Denis