Real world TDV6 vs SDV6

[DiscoFan]

Hi all, first post so be gentle.

I've done a search and can't find any real world driving comparisons between the D4 TDV6 and SDV6.

I'm currently looking to purchase a D4 and am tossing up between a brand new TDV6, with a few options, or a demonstrator SDV6 SE.

Even with options, the TDV6 will be considerably cheaper and I'd get the exact exterior/interior colour combo I want. With a demo vehicle, it'd be hard to find that perfect combo.

Any thoughts from people who've driven both 3.0l versions in terms of real world performance/towing differences?

Thanks.

[Redback]

Same car different Kw/Nm, in laymans terms, one has more power!!

Baz.

[DiscoFan]

Thanks Baz, guess I'm after more of a 'seat of your pants' comparison from people who have driven both.

Is it a noticeable enough increase in real world driving performance to justify the price increase?

[Geedublya]

I've driven both and previously owned a D3 2.7 and now own a 5.0 V8 D4. I would happily own the TDV6, it drives very nicely and the 8 speed ensures it is in the torque band. The SDV6 has more for sure however it didn't feel significant.
Even the 2.7 drives very nicely and the TDV6 is much better. If you can get a TDV6 exactly how you want it do it.

[Graeme]

Someone fairly recently posted comments on the differences between their earlier 6-speed 180kw 3.0 and a new 8-speed 155kw 3.0.

[DiscoFan]

I've driven both and previously owned a D3 2.7 and now own a 5.0 V8 D4. I would happily own the TDV6, it drives very nicely and the 8 speed ensures it is in the torque band. The SDV6 has more for sure however it didn't feel significant.
Even the 2.7 drives very nicely and the TDV6 is much better. If you can get a TDV6 exactly how you want it do it.

Thanks for that. Kind of the way I'm leaning at the moment. Hoping to make a trip to my nearest Landy dealer and test them for myself in the coming weeks.

I've driven a 2.7l D3 quite a bit at work and find that to be quite ok.

[winaje]

I've driven a 2.7l D3 quite a bit at work and find that to be quite ok.

You don't work in East Hawthorn do you?

[DiscoFan]

You don't work in East Hawthorn do you?

Nope, why do you ask?

[winaje]

Nope, why do you ask?
We have a D3 at work as a pool car, and a guy who lives down your way :angel:

[DiscoFan]

We have a D3 at work as a pool car, and a guy who lives down your way :angel:

Ah, gotcha. Small world :)

[JamesH]

It's a tough one. I was there for a while. I was coming from a 300tdi Defender and posted a similar question. The answer I got back was the right one, it doesn't matter; both of them are going to blow your mind.

Money for me was an issue (a big one) and I was just stuck until an end of model runout sale came on and an evil enabler on AULRO (yes, you LR D4) offered to send me the list of available cars and prices he had because he had just ordered one. I found a 185kw model with everyting I wanted minus e-diff. Some words of encouragement from GGHaggis about being able to do without e-diff and I took the plunge.

Upon reflection I realised that I really wanted the 185kw engine and as I had not yet justified the extra expense to myself I wasn't signing up, but I obviously didn't really want the 2.7 in spite of all the common sense I'd read here. At the time not only was it more powerful but it was more economical than the base engine. That really disturbed me.

I'm so glad I went the hot rod engine. I can't tell you what a peasure it is to drive. In the country you just have to think "overtake this roadtrain/caran/campervan" and POW you are at 130 and moving back into your lane safe and sound.

You could definitely feel the difference between the 2.7 and the 3 right from the get go, smoother faster, better. Your decision is tougher because both options are the 3 litre engine and I reckon the difference has reduced, but for me I'd lean towards the rocket ship version. Thing is, I had some deal-breaker options. Fuiji White paint, Hi-Line sound system, and reversing camera. This car had all the must haves. I lost the e-diff but I could live with that. If it did not, then, no I would not have taken the plunge.

So if your demonstrator has all your non-optional options give it careful consideration. Of course the detuned engine is awesome and will be absolutely fine, but the high speed engine, is take my word for it, "whoah baby!" to a humble Defender driver like me.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Before I bought my SDV6 (MY12 6 speed) I drove the 2.7 TDV6 (now replaced by the 3.0 TDV6)

What I can say is if your not sure. Don't test drive the SDV6 after driving the TDV6 because you'll not be happy with the TDV6.

But then again I have a lead foot.

What I did notice is that doing things like lane changing in the TDV6 in heavy traffic you had to plan ahead to wait for the turbo lag. In the SDV6 the turbo lag is far less, although still present.

[lpj]

I have the 3.0 sdv6 and couldn't be happier.

With the previous 2.7 you had the option to go to 17" rims i believe, which makes tyre choice much better.

Does that the detuned 3.0 have the same size brakes and the SDV6?

Someone will come along who knows the answer and this may or may not be a factor for you. For some though, having the option for 17's is a real bonus.

[DiscoFan]

Thanks for all of the replies, very helpful.

Sounds like the SDV6 is the way to go. I'll just have to keep my eye out for one with the specs I want, at the right price.

Low-mid $80Ks seems to be the current going rate for a demo SE SDV6 with 3,000km to 7,000km on it.

[JamesH]

Thanks for all of the replies, very helpful.

Sounds like the SDV6 is the way to go. I'll just have to keep my eye out for one with the specs I want, at the right price.

Low-mid $80Ks seems to be the current going rate for a demo SE SDV6 with 3,000km to 7,000km on it.

Can you stand to wait until October when they have what seems to be the annual end of model runnout sale? That's what go me into the game for the 185kw model. You might get brand new, and you might get an SDV6 that has a closer fit to your desired options for the low to mid eighties (as I did).

But you probably can't wait that long and I don't blame you.

Regarding the tyre options mentioned earlier, I believe anything less than 19" rims is not possible of the show room floor so you will be stuck with the rest of us (apart from those who got themselves Gordon's special rims) in that boat.

[jonesy63]

Does that the detuned 3.0 have the same size brakes and the SDV6?

Yes - same brake size, so no 17" wheels for 3L D4s. Unless you put D3/D4 2.7L brakes on and get an engineer certificate for the modification.

[DiscoFan]

Can you stand to wait until October when they have what seems to be the annual end of model runnout sale? That's what go me into the game for the 185kw model. You might get brand new, and you might get an SDV6 that has a closer fit to your desired options for the low to mid eighties (as I did).

But you probably can't wait that long and I don't blame you.

Can certainly wait until October if that's the best time to negotiate. Sounds like I may be able to nab an SE within my budget with a bit of luck.

Anyone have a link to the current option pack pricing? Seems to be an elusive document.

[Jimlr]

Under the make model search, here:

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/pricing.nsf/view-car-specs-data/3CDE1F4316ACC9C9CA257C270003A91C

[giskard]

I went through this process a few months ago. Ended up with a TDV6 with all the options I wanted bar the e-diff. During the process I had the opportunity to keep a SDV6 for a weekend. To be honest, I didn't pick up a huge difference between the 2 engines. I was more irritated that the TDV6 didn't have electric seats and arm rests. :)

In short, I'm delighted with the 3.0 TDV6. Possibly there was a bigger difference back in the 2.7l days. Take both for a drive and see what you think.

Cheers.

[Graeme]

Here's a link to the comments I referred to earlier in this thread.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/2078754-post39.html

[Pussinboots]

I have a burning question. What is the physical difference between the 3 litre TDV6 and SDV6 engines with the 8 speed box? Is it simply that the TDV6 is detuned and a fuel system remapping will boost the power to the SDV6 spec or are other pieces of hardware involved?

[DiscoFan]

I have a burning question. What is the physical difference between the 3 litre TDV6 and SDV6 engines with the 8 speed box? Is it simply that the TDV6 is detuned and a fuel system remapping will boost the power to the SDV6 spec or are other pieces of hardware involved?

Hi Pussinboots, some info here - http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/181237-discovery-4-3-0-tdv6-v-sdv6.html

[Hoppy11]

Yes - same brake size, so no 17" wheels for 3L D4s. Unless you put D3/D4 2.7L brakes on and get an engineer certificate for the modification.

I saw a D4 at the Perth airport with black 17's with 265/70's, must have changes the brakes, didn't look like it though

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I saw a D4 at the Perth airport with black 17's with 265/70's, must have changes the brakes, didn't look like it thoughAbsolutely the D4 2.7 TDV6 could have had 17s and you can put 18" steelies on a 3.0 D4 but not 17" on a 3.0.

[irondoc]

I have a 2.7 2011 D4. It is enough. There are occasional times, eg towing uphill, when I have wanted more power, but I soon realised that was because I was in a hurry and nothing spoils a trip like being in a hurry.

Round town it has more than enough power. On the highway I have never found it lacking. Maybe I'm just mellowing, but if you get annoyed at not being able to go uphill at 110kmh, your driving mindset is maybe a bit off.

I sometimes do semi-emergency response in the 2.7. It doesn't need more power for that. When pushed, it can fly. So the choice between the 3.0 engines, in my mind, probably isn't as important as getting the spec you want.

Hope this helps
Lucas

[DiscoFan]

Forgive me for getting off topic a bit here but is there a thread anywhere listing drive away prices people have managed to negotiate?

I have searched the D3/D4/RRS forum to no avail.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Don't know about prices but as Lucas says, get the specs and options that you want.

Many of them like Nav and e'diff can't be fitted later. I wanted both, but I could get the e'Diff without Nav at a good price so took that vehicle. Glad I opted for the e'diff and sometimes miss not having the Nay and rear camera but still love the vehicle.

As I said much earlier, if price is a big issue and you can get what you want in the TDV6, don't test drive the SDV6, because you will be happy with the TD and won't miss something you have never experienced.

Diana

[scarry]

don't test drive the SDV6, because you will be happy with the TD and won't miss something you have never experienced.

Diana

Dunno,each to their own....

I drove them both,that is the 2.7(no LP3.0l in those days),and the SDV6.Also had a new RRS for most of the day.

Quite happy with the 2.7,as others have said,very rarely find it wanting.

Being able to fit 17's also helped with the decision,as did the fact that i don't tow anything.

[chuck]

I have an SDV6SE D4 & had a TDV6SE D3.

I actually preferred the D3 but did not realise that until after I sold it.

It had ediff, 17's, snorkel, big tyres etc.

If I buy a new one it will probably be a TDV6 with the options I want.

I can buy a well specced TDV6 for the price of a fairly standard SDV6.

[Discorosscv]

Hi Disco Fan,
Absolutely 100% go for the TDV6, I have owned a Dico3 TDV6SE and now have a Disco4 TDV6HSE (6sp). I tow a 24ft Caravan with mine and have endless amounts of towing power. In standard form the vehicle was great, but being a power freak I have had mine Flashtuned,Dyno tuned & free flowing exhaust fitted at Roo Systems in Brisbane. My on H/way fuel is regularly 7ltr per 100 & round town is always 10.4 and I don't really drive for economy + sports car performance. Between the 2 Disco's I went back to Toyota (200ser.V8 Dsl barge on wheels) how dissappointing. Once you have had the Disco experience you won't look back.

Regards Ross
Mackay Qld:

[DiscoWeb]

Hi all, first post so be gentle.

I've done a search and can't find any real world driving comparisons between the D4 TDV6 and SDV6.

I'm currently looking to purchase a D4 and am tossing up between a brand new TDV6, with a few options, or a demonstrator SDV6 SE.

Even with options, the TDV6 will be considerably cheaper and I'd get the exact exterior/interior colour combo I want. With a demo vehicle, it'd be hard to find that perfect combo.

Any thoughts from people who've driven both 3.0l versions in terms of real world performance/towing differences?

Thanks.

Disco Fan, I drive a 2.7 TDV6 D3 so can not really help in your requested live comparison however must say that for me the 2.7 has done everything I want and more.

However all the people I have spoken to (or the views I recall being expressed on this forum) seem to say;

"The lower tune 3.0 is a very good and capable engine but once you have driven the high tuned version it is just that much nicer, smoother an effortless."

The biggest differentiator now seems to be the new ZF 8 speed, sounds like a gem of an auto box.

Seems to me that it ultimately comes down to affordability, intended use and what you want from your vehicle. The lower tuned 3.0 does the job really well but the high tune is simply a bit better.

Hope that helps in your deliberation.

Regards,

George

[DiscoFan]

Well, drove the TDV6 and SDV6 back to back today to get a seat of the pants comparison.

As others have said, if I'd just driven the TDV6, I'd be stoked with it. Smooth, powerful and refined with the 8 speed.

But, as others have also said, the SDV6 is a pearla. Despite noticeably more lag from a standstill, the mid range grunt is addictive. Interesting that peak torque comes in 500rpm earlier in the TDV6. I definitely noticed that.

Will have to see what sort of deals they're prepared to do before deciding. Think I'd be happy with either engine.

Seems people are picking D4s up for well under the published RRPs. Is it worth waiting until end of financial year? Have others had success around this time of year?

[AnD3rew]

I have to admit to not having driven either of the 3.0lt options, but I have been a very happy 2.7lt driver for the past 5 years in my D3 and I have never felt my car was underpowered, in fact it still gives me a thrill every time I drive it.

I am sure I would love either of the 3.0 options if I drove them, but the car doesn't NEED more power

[Blue C]

I have to admit to not having driven either of the 3.0lt options, but I have been a very happy 2.7lt driver for the past 5 years in my D3 and I have never felt my car was underpowered, in fact it still gives me a thrill every time I drive it.

I am sure I would love either of the 3.0 options if I drove them, but the car doesn't NEED more power

I have to agree with the above although when towing full laden ~1800kg camper with all family and gear onboard I have always left plenty of space to overtake with my 2.7TDV6 (or simply didn't overtake). However it's quite adequate.
Now that I am the fortunate owner of a MY14 3.0 SDV6 (2wks now) I have to say the latter is truly sensational and the 8 speed is silky smooth. If I am honest I would agree I don't need the extra power......but I do like it.:)

[101RRS]

Now that I am the fortunate owner of a MY14 3.0 SDV6 (2wks now) I have to say the latter is truly sensational and the 8 speed is silky smooth. If I am honest I would agree I don't need the extra power......but I do like it.:)

But is the extra Zoom Zoom worth the many thousands of dollars on a new vehicle.

A few thou yes but not what they are asking.

Garry

[Greatsouthernland]

I have to agree with the above although when towing full laden ~1800kg camper with all family and gear onboard I have always left plenty of space to overtake with my 2.7TDV6 (or simply didn't overtake). However it's quite adequate.
Now that I am the fortunate owner of a MY14 3.0 SDV6 (2wks now) I have to say the latter is truly sensational and the 8 speed is silky smooth. If I am honest I would agree I don't need the extra power......but I do like it.:)

Thanks for sharing. I've been going through the same thought process as the OP, but like you WANT the extra Nm.

Could you share your purchase experience & approx price, did you get 3 years free servicing? Perhaps PM if you like...

Enjoy!

[DiscoFan]

After doing the sums with the full RRP price list, I've now pretty much convinced myself that the TDV6 with the options I want is the way to go.

Most of the options I want are also extras on the SE, aside from leather (upgraded sound system, reverse camera, front parking aid, xenon headlamps, active rear diff, and sun roof). I can get all of that on the TDV6 for under $90k on the road, full retail. No doubt it'd end up mid eighties with some negotiation.

For the same on the SE I'd be looking at over $100k for essentially the same car with the different engine. $15k is a lot extra for some more grunt.

I'll be driving the TDV6 again in isolation to decide for sure but I was very impressed with the engine yesterday.

[Blue C]

But is the extra Zoom Zoom worth the many thousands of dollars on a new vehicle.

A few thou yes but not what they are asking.

Garry

Yes fair point Garry. In answer to the OP's query I would say that the 3.0TDV6 would be more than adequate for most people in most situations and if he can get the colour and specs he wants in a new TDV6 then he'll have a permagrin regardless! Regards, David

[Blue C]

Thanks for sharing. I've been going through the same thought process as the OP, but like you WANT the extra Nm.

Could you share your purchase experience & approx price, did you get 3 years free servicing? Perhaps PM if you like...

Enjoy!

I bought locally and got Fuji White HSE with rear e-diff, adaptive bi-xenons/auto hi beam assist,blind spot monitoring/reverse traffic detection,cold climate pack,full length (black) roof rails, mud mats, tow bar sleeve + UV Shield and 3 yrs free servicing and paid a bit over $105K. regards, David

[WhiteD3]

I drive a 2.7, 6 speed. My two bosses drive the 3.0, 8 speed. The 3.0 goes like a cut snake and the 8 speed is a gem. They both tow boats.

I don't tow and even if I did I can't see the worth in paying thousands more for the 3.0. When the 2.7 came out everyone raved about it and what a good tow vehicle it was. This is still the case, just that the 3.0 is better still.

[Greatsouthernland]

I drive a 2.7, 6 speed. My two bosses drive the 3.0, 8 speed. The 3.0 goes like a cut snake and the 8 speed is a gem. They both tow boats.

I don't tow and even if I did I can't see the worth in paying thousands more for the 3.0. When the 2.7 came out everyone raved about it and what a good tow vehicle it was. This is still the case, just that the 3.0 is better still.

Good points...makes me think there is HUGE negotiating room on the SDV6, especially if volumes of sales on it are lagging the TDV6 significantly.:cool:

Also annoys me that the cruise control doesn't slow the vehicle if needed, I.e. Down a hill on the freeway - unlike the Mercedes GL, in fact all modern Mercs... You'd think LR could replicate that simple system!

[Barryp]

I believe it is an option on the later models, I think that it is called "active cruise control".
Barryp

[Greatsouthernland]

I believe it is an option on the later models, I think that it is called "active cruise control".
Barryp

Hi Barry,

Are you sure? I'd love to have someone confirm, as I've asked the sales reps who are really quite knowledgeable and they know what I'm on about, they definitely say no.

Stay tuned....;)

I even drove the RR VOGUE MY14 $260k list price, and that didn't have it

[101RRS]

I thought that "active cruise control" only slowed the vehicle when its "radar" detected a slower vehicle in front. If there is no vehicle in front it acts like a normal cruise control.

Garry

[Greatsouthernland]

I thought that "active cruise control" only slowed the vehicle when its "radar" detected a slower vehicle in front. If there is no vehicle in front it acts like a normal cruise control.

Garry

That's what I thought and just confirmed on range rovers.net .

What I was after is the Mercedes version that also holds your speed when you go down a steep hill, instead of having to drop down two gears and still brake. Don't know how the Mercedes one works, but the wife's car has it and the friends GL, guaranteed not to overspeed like conventional cruise does when faced with a downhill gradient. For the locals - think coming down Willunga hill and how cruise lets the car accelerate adinfinitum, we'll the Merc just holds whatever speed you set AND slows down more if you approach a slower vehicle.

[SBD4]

The feature which slows the car down when it approaches a slower car requires radar, this an option on RRS and FFRR and has its own ecu. Maintaining correct speed going down hill etc is just part of the standard engine ECU software. LR's version of this is useless.

[101RRS]

Maintaining correct speed going down hill etc is just part of the standard engine ECU software. LR's version of this is useless.

That is because it does not exist - the throttle is closed - nothing more.

[SBD4]

That is because it does not exist - the throttle is closed - nothing more.
It's not fully closed until you cancel it. You can feel the difference with a tiny bit more engine braking when cruise is cancelled on a down hill over speed scenario.

[SBD4]

sorry Garry , just re-read your post, yes I totally agree - it does not exist. Other cruises will, at the very least, change down gears etc to achieve some braking.

[Graeme]

It's not fully closed until you cancel it. You can feel the difference with a tiny bit more engine braking when cruise is cancelled on a down hill over speed scenario.
Mine originally wasn't shutting off fuel completely but has been since a s/w update a couple of years ago although the vehicle sometimes has to be quite a lot over the set speed, up to 8 kph. Hence I usually cancel it early.

[Celtoid]

Well, drove the TDV6 and SDV6 back to back today to get a seat of the pants comparison.

As others have said, if I'd just driven the TDV6, I'd be stoked with it. Smooth, powerful and refined with the 8 speed.

But, as others have also said, the SDV6 is a pearla. Despite noticeably more lag from a standstill, the mid range grunt is addictive. Interesting that peak torque comes in 500rpm earlier in the TDV6. I definitely noticed that.

Will have to see what sort of deals they're prepared to do before deciding. Think I'd be happy with either engine.

Seems people are picking D4s up for well under the published RRPs. Is it worth waiting until end of financial year? Have others had success around this time of year?

Hi,

I have an MY10 3.0L and a MY13 SDV6 SE. Almost the same performance numbers but the MY13 feels quicker and more powerful, which I'm associating with the gearing. It's definitely noticeably smoother.

What I was going to say though is, I don't like the MY13 at very low speeds and taking off from zero at all. The older D4 generally takes off in second and I'm surmising the new one does too. But I'd wager that second in the new one is lower than the old (due to having two more cogs).

The end result is a very harsh off idle experience, which can be quite a handful. I'm guessing the lower gearing allows the engine to spool up faster. But it's not like a super performance car that has a direct link from acceleration to the position of the accelerator pedal. This is a slight lag and then Holy Crap .... If you accelerate really slowly it's fine, but pulling out into traffic is not such a good experience.

The older D4s have been criticised for 'thinking' about what to do when idling up to a roundabout for instance and the driver then gives it a Welly full. Result being a horrible lag and then push back in the seat as it spools up. I find the MY13 worse than my old one in this regard. The lag is slightly less but the 'hit' feels a lot harder when it comes. Once rolling above 20 or 30KPH ... from that point on, it is absolutely awesome ....

I'm hoping it will settle down, as the car has only done 2K and I vaguely remember the LR Service Rep in the Valley mentioning something about re-doing software if I have an issue with something. It was a rushed conversation so I didn't take it all in ... but I'm now thinking that this is what he was referring to.

Anyway, I'll give it a few more Ks to settle down and then if it hasn't, I'll take it in for once over.

Cheers,

Kev.

[rar110]

Hi, I have an MY10 3.0L and a MY13 SDV6 SE. Almost the same performance numbers but the MY13 feels quicker and more powerful, which I'm associating with the gearing. It's definitely noticeably smoother. What I was going to say though is, I don't like the MY13 at very low speeds and taking off from zero at all. The older D4 generally takes off in second and I'm surmising the new one does too. But I'd wager that second in the new one is lower than the old (due to having two more cogs). The end result is a very harsh off idle experience, which can be quite a handful. I'm guessing the lower gearing allows the engine to spool up faster. But it's not like a super performance car that has a direct link from acceleration to the position of the accelerator peddle. This is a slight lag and then Holy Crap .... The older D4s have been criticised for 'thinking' about what to do when idling up to a roundabout for instance and the driver then gives it a Welly full. Result being a horrible lag and then push back in the seat as it spools up. I find the MY13 worse than my old one in this regard. The lag is slightly less but the 'hit' feels a lot harder when it comes. I'm hoping it will settle down, as the car has only done 2K and I vaguely remember the LR Service Rep in the Valley mentioning something about re-doing software if I have an issue with something. It was a rushed conversation so I didn't take it all in ... but I'm now thinking that this is what he was referring to. Anyway, I'll give it a few more Ks to settle down and then if it hasn't, I'll take it in for once over. Cheers, Kev.

I like your 'old' D4 too. ;)

[Graeme]

I like your 'old' D4 too. ;)I like my old D4 too but regard it as still very new as its only 4 years old and only done 130K.

[rar110]

I like my old D4 too but regard it as still very new as its only 4 years old and only done 130K.

Trying to transition from 20th to 21st century (ie from a 1989 110). A D4 SE is too flash for me (although I really like the look of the touch screen & resulting simplicity of center dash).

Also finance director says we should sell the 110 and have a 6 mth land rover break. In response I dropped my fly and handed her the chicken cutters.

[Celtoid]

Trying to transition from 20th to 21st century (ie from a 1989 110). A D4 SE is too flash for me (although I really like the look of the touch screen & resulting simplicity of center dash).

Also finance director says we should sell the 110 and have a 6 mth land rover break. In response I dropped my fly and handed her the chicken cutters.



OMG .... :o

[Greatsouthernland]

That is because it does not exist - the throttle is closed - nothing more.

Yep, that's it in a nut shell.

Nice drive though, compared to my RRS TDV6 2.7 6 spd, the D4 is awesome, I too noticed considerable lag, almost wanting to back out of pulling out manoeuvre, but when it gets going all is OK.

Soooo, just for fun, took the new Vogue with TDV8 on the same route, it's got a bit of hesitation, but OMFG, I thought I was in an R8 on stilts with each tyre firmly putting that power down, launching across the T-junction when entering....

If they had that engine in the D4, it would be One Mean Machine. WHY DONT THEY DO IT?

[Celtoid]

Yep, that's it in a nut shell.

Nice drive though, compared to my RRS TDV6 2.7 6 spd, the D4 is awesome, I too noticed considerable lag, almost wanting to back out of pulling out manoeuvre, but when it gets going all is OK.

Soooo, just for fun, took the new Vogue with TDV8 on the same route, it's got a bit of hesitation, but OMFG, I thought I was in an R8 on stilts with each tyre firmly putting that power down, launching across the T-junction when entering....

If they had that engine in the D4, it would be One Mean Machine. WHY DONT THEY DO IT?


I don't think there is any issue with the engine in a D4 ... far from it. It has more than enough punch in either the 180Kw (older) or the 183Kw 3.0L. Put it in sports mode or manually drive it and all these issues just about vanish. There are times when pick up is completely predictable and instant. LR just need to get their **** sorted with the software that makes the box and engine 'talk' to each other.

[Greatsouthernland]

I don't think there is any issue with the engine in a D4 ... far from it. It has more than enough punch in either the 180Kw (older) or the 183Kw 3.0L. Put it in sports mode or manually drive it and all these issues just about vanish. There are times when pick up is completely predictable and instant. LR just need to get their **** sorted with the software that makes the box and engine 'talk' to each other.


That's a good point, if using 'command shift' you are right, should help. Guess it's not the first thing I think of when pulling out after cruising along in D most of the time :)

I'm not saying anything is wrong with D4 engine at all. I LOVE it. Remember I'm coming from 400Nm in my previous rig. But I am in absolute awe of the TDV8.

[AnD3rew]

That's a good point, if using 'command shift' you are right, should help. Guess it's not the first thing I think of when pulling out after cruising along in D most of the time :)

I'm not saying anything is wrong with D4 engine at all. I LOVE it. Remember I'm coming from 400Nm in my previous rig. But I am in absolute awe of the TDV8.

Probably shouldn't, but I am now in the habit of reaching down and pushing the lever over (D3) whenever I take off from slow or stopped and whenever I overtake or if a speed limit increases and I want to punch it. I don't even think about it I just do it automatically.

[Celtoid]

Probably shouldn't, but I am now in the habit of reaching down and pushing the lever over (D3) whenever I take off from slow or stopped and whenever I overtake or if a speed limit increases and I want to punch it. I don't even think about it I just do it automatically.

I do exactly the same thing, which is a lot easier in the older model with the stick shifter.

[WhiteD3]

x3.

Its habit now too. The D4 2.7 is just too lethargic on take off for some intersections/roundabouts.


Probably shouldn't, but I am now in the habit of reaching down and pushing the lever over (D3) whenever I take off from slow or stopped and whenever I overtake or if a speed limit increases and I want to punch it. I don't even think about it I just do it automatically.