Platform vs Tray vs Basket

[BSM]

I'm trying to work out the best configuration for my D3s roof storage.

Requirements are:

1: Have short factory rails fitted and want to use these. Don't feel I need a full length rack
2: Mostly to be used for chucking extra gear on top when camping. Including a small gas bottle.
3: on longer tours or 4wd weekends want to mount a spare and one or more jerrycans of fuel, and the small gas bottle. (Say 3-4 times per year)
4: Wind whistling through the thing will drive me nuts.
5: Have very little storage space at home, so keeping the rack permanently on, with minimal effect on fuel consumption is appealing. But must be able to get into underground car parks around town.
6: Cost is always a consideration,

All of my 4wd mates have rails with a wire mesh basket that they take on and off. But I'm not so sure about that option. Here's my thinking.

Basket
Cheapest option; Good for just chucking stuff in; not so good for securely mounting jerry cans or gas bottles in an upright position; probably gets lots of wind whistle.(not sure about that); would need to be removed and stored when not in use.

Alloy Platform
Great for mounting jerry cans, spares and gas bottles (if you buy the accessories). And the low sides help in getting these heavy things up and down. Good for reducing wind noise and fuels consumption, and they can probably stay permanently on without affecting fuel consumption unduly whilst allowing entry to underground car parks. What I'm not sure about though is their usefulness in being able to just chuck general camping stuff of random shapes and sizes up there and making it secure.

Alloy Tray
Great for both mounting jerry cans, spares, gas bottles (with fewer accessories needed). Also good for chucking random sized camping objects up top as the side rails help secure the load. Not so good with fuel consumption when unladen. Probably pretty good with wind noise if you get one with a wind deflector on the front. Most likely won't get into those car parks, and most likely would be a pain to take on and off and store.

These are my thoughts on looking at the three types of roof storage. I'd be interested on the thoughts of those who use these things. What is good and bad about the various types?

[jon3950]

If you want to leave it on and height is an issue, then a platform is the best option.

The Front Runner is really neat but I went with the Rhino Pioneer Platfrom, mainly due to cost but I also think it is easier to get on and off. I can fit and remove it on my own very easily.

Both have plenty of accessories for mounting stuff, but another thing I liked about the Rhino is you can add side rails if you want, which are easily removable.

I have the short rails, but used a shorter leg than Rhino recommends to keep it as low as possible.

Cheers,
Jon

[BSM]

If you want to leave it on and height is an issue, then a platform is the best option.

The Front Runner is really neat but I went with the Rhino Pioneer Platfrom, mainly due to cost but I also think it is easier to get on and off. I can fit and remove it on my own very easily.

Both have plenty of accessories for mounting stuff, but another thing I liked about the Rhino is you can add side rails if you want, which are easily removable.

I have the short rails, but used a shorter leg than Rhino recommends to keep it as low as possible.

Cheers,
Jon

Thanks Jon. Is your Rhino the one measuring 1528mm in length? I was wondering if that one extends forward of the dip in the roofline and might therefore be exposed to extra wind buffeting and hence is noisy. How's the wind noise from your platform when unladen?

[jon3950]

Thanks Jon. Is your Rhino the one measuring 1528mm in length? I was wondering if that one extends forward of the dip in the roofline and might therefore be exposed to extra wind buffeting and hence is noisy. How's the wind noise from your platform when unladen?

Mine is the 1528 x 1236 - I went narrower than Rhino recommend and used the RLTP legs instead of the RLT legs.

The size is a good match for the roof:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/282.jpg

I went narrower as I didn't want the overhang on the sides. To me this looks a lot neater but does comprise storage space a bit as you lose one slat. It doesn't bother me as I don't put a lot up there. It will fit a tyre, a jerry can and some Maxtrax, with some space for firewood. I also have an awning and shovel up there.

Wind noise is very subjective. There is some, but not as much as I seem to get from the RAI. I notice it because the Disco is so quiet, but it doesn't bother me.

There are more photos of it with various loads in my gallery.
http://www.aulro.com/app/showgallery.php/cat/1293


Cheers,
Jon

[Blknight.aus]

purely from a fuel economy stand point the flat panel ones offer the least additonal fuel resistance and have the added bonus that they arent too uncomfortable to lie on when you star gaze at an impromptu stop.

[bidds]

I've been using one of the pioneer platforms for about 18 months. I do remove it when there are no big trips planned or I want to use normal cross bars for surf boards. It's very easy to live with and is quite light compared to the ARB type of full length rack. For general camping stuff, buy a number of the eye bolts and you can place them wherever you want - very versatile.

Cheers,

Bidds

[sniegy]

Jon & Bidds,
What would you say the weight of the rack & bracketry would be?

[AnD3rew]

Another vote for the platform, I have the one that is just the back section of the roof and with the short legs. Very versatile I have a number of eye bolts which allows lots of options, I have the shovel holders and a Foxwing, I take those off when I am not planning any trips but only take 15 mins to put back on. I also have the gas bottle holder and a half width rhino bag. On a big trip I will have a second spare, the shovel holders the Foxwing and a gas bottle up there as well as the long bag with sleeping bags and various other light stuff in it.

With it stripped down to just the rack there is very little noise and you can still get into a lot of carparks outside of the Sydney CBD.

[BSM]

What would you say the weight of the rack & bracketry would be?

The Rhino catalog quotes the weight of the platform and leg brackets as 23kg

[jon3950]

Jon & Bidds,
What would you say the weight of the rack & bracketry would be?

About 23kg :D

Sounds about right. Easy one person lift.

Cheers,
Jon

[jimc]

I have the pioneer rack as well...was a run out model due to colour.

Not noisy at all.

Anyone found any method to attach a set of maxtracks to their racks yet?

I currently use some plywood blocks and maxtrack locking pins...but the solution is very ordinary to say the least.

[AnD3rew]

I have the pioneer rack as well...was a run out model due to colour.

Not noisy at all.

Anyone found any method to attach a set of maxtracks to their racks yet?

I currently use some plywood blocks and maxtrack locking pins...but the solution is very ordinary to say the least.

I just used bungee straps when I put them up there. I have rear wheel carrier and I bought the maxtrax rear wheel straps, they are great, makes them much easier to get to when you need them and when you won't need them they come off the vehicle in 2 minutes and store in the garage and don't sit up on the racks perishing whistling and using fuel when you don't need them.

[PaulGOz]

I also have a pioneer rack. For the maxtrax I bought the pin set that maxtrax sell and then drilled four holes in the platform with some barry nuts on the underside. The maxtrax bolts come with provision for a bad lock so making them relatively secure and accessible. The only issue with this is that it adds approx 100mm to your height meaning many carparks become inaccessible. I only use this setup now on extended trips.

[sniegy]

Hey Paul,
Any Chance you can show me what "Barry's Nuts" look like?

[jon3950]

Anyone found any method to attach a set of maxtracks to their racks yet?

I put a couple of eyebolts in the slot on the edge of the rack and sit the maxtrax on them so that the eyebolts sit in the hand holds of the maxtrax. I then tie them down with a couple of straps through the eyebolts. This locates them positively and stops them moving around and working loose on rough roads.

I also mount an awning on there now and the maxtrax sit neatly between the mounting brackets for the awning.

You can just make out the eyebolts in the photo below:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/420.jpg

Cheers,
Jon

[Drizzle]

I have the pioneer rack as well...was a run out model due to colour.

Not noisy at all.

Anyone found any method to attach a set of maxtracks to their racks yet?


I also have a pioneer platform rack. I use a set of TraxRax to mount the Max Trax. They mount on the side of the rack which frees up the entire pioneer platform to carry other stuff. Made by a guy in Brisbane. I reckon they're the duck's guts!

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=370433883012318

I don't have a photo of mine, so grabbed this photo off his Facebook page which will give you an idea how they look when mounted.

76122

[Celtoid]

I also have a pioneer platform rack. I use a set of TraxRax to mount the Max Trax. They mount on the side of the rack which frees up the entire pioneer platform to carry other stuff. Made by a guy in Brisbane. I reckon they're the duck's guts!

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=370433883012318

I don't have a photo of mine, so grabbed this photo off his Facebook page which will give you an idea how they look when mounted.

76122

Why is that Prado driver driving into a tree? :-)

[DiscoFan]

Mine is the 1528 x 1236 - I went narrower than Rhino recommend and used the RLTP legs instead of the RLT legs.



The size is a good match for the roof:



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/282.jpg



I went narrower as I didn't want the overhang on the sides. To me this looks a lot neater but does comprise storage space a bit as you lose one slat. It doesn't bother me as I don't put a lot up there. It will fit a tyre, a jerry can and some Maxtrax, with some space for firewood. I also have an awning and shovel up there.



Wind noise is very subjective. There is some, but not as much as I seem to get from the RAI. I notice it because the Disco is so quiet, but it doesn't bother me.



There are more photos of it with various loads in my gallery.

http://www.aulro.com/app/showgallery.php/cat/1293





Cheers,

Jon


Hi Jon, do you have a part number for this tray? Can't seem to find the narrower width one on the Rhino website. Only the 1376mm width is listed.

[BSM]

Hi Jon, do you have a part number for this tray? Can't seem to find the narrower width one on the Rhino website. Only the 1376mm width is listed.

The Rhino catalogue quotes two part numbers for the 1528mm x 1236mm Rhino platform. 42100B and 44100B.

Not sure why there are two part numbers - but they go as a pair. If you go to the online PDF catalogue (http://www.rhinorack.com.au/catalogue). You'll see the various platform options, including the recommended Disco dimensions listed in page 23.

I like Jon's suggestion as well. I've just measured it up on the car, and the reduced overhang will I agree be much neater.

[jon3950]

42100B is the one I got. Its not listed as a choice for a Discovery.

Cheers,
Jon

[jon3950]

Just had a look at their website. The 44100B is for a different type of leg, the SX.

The 42100B suits the legs you need for the Disco. I have LR rails which they recommend the RLT legs for, but I now use the RLTP legs which make the rack sit lower.

The other advantage of the RLTP legs is they have 2 mounting screws instead of one. I had problems with the RLT legs coming loose on my Flinders trip last year.

Cheers,
Jon

[SimmAus]

FWIW - I recently had the rhino platform 42107B fitted to my disco with LR short rails. This is a new platform size - also not "recommended" for the D4.
This platform is 2128 x 1236 (narrower than the recommended one - but I think it looks much better).
Recent trip to VHC and v happy with it....

Cheers

[scarry]

I have the long thin wire basket just for the Oztent and shovel.It sits on Rhino HD bars.The basket is very easy to take on and off,only takes a few minutes.I presume a larger basket would also be easy.No wind noise at all,with or without the tent.I also have the foxwing on the racks and fishing rod holders,etc.
With just the HD bars,i have not found a car park that it would not fit in.Some i have had to go to access height to get down low enough.

I was also a bit concerned the set up would come loose on corrugations,but no problems at all,although the tent did end up with a few holes rubbed in it:(

[DiscoFan]

Nearly ready to order a new TSV6 D4 and thinking of passing on the factory roof rails and going with a Rhino roof track and platform rack.

Only thing that has me worried is the possible need to rivet the back of the Rhino track to the roof. Rhino only recommends this be done if there will be rear feet positioned behind the rear most captive nut in the roof.

From their fitting instructions...

"Riveting is required when a cross bar is to be fitted rearward of the last mounting screw. Accessories which require this attachment are the boat loader and large roof trays."

My question is, are the Pioneer platforms classed as a large tray? For those that have them fitted, are the rear feet positioned behind the rear most captive nuts in the roof, therefore requiring riveting?

[scarry]

It really needs to be riveted for the best strength.I knew i would be going on some very rough roads.
Easy done,just put the right sealant on(in the instructions),did mine myself.
No problems at all.:)

[BSM]

I have LR rails which they recommend the RLT legs for, but I now use the RLTP legs which make the rack sit lower.

FWIW, I called the Rhino head office in Sydney to get the low-down on installing the non-recommended size this because the retail outlet I called said that the warranty could be voided if you don't follow the recommended guide.

In short Rhino said that the warranty wouldn't be voided by fitting the narrower platform. But you have to fit the right legs.

He said he would not recommend the RLTP (http://www.rhinorack.com.au/products/roof-rack-parts/legs/rltp-leg-set_rltp) legs because they were designed to fit on a slightly angled roofline (7 degrees I think he said) and it would create some stresses if they were fitted in this situation. (There does appear to be an angle shown in the fitting instruction PDF)

Instead he recommended to get the RLT500 (http://www.rhinorack.com.au/products/roof-rack-parts/legs/rlt-leg_rlt500) legs and to also purchase 2 PLHSPAIRS (http://www.rhinorack.com.au/products/spare-parts/height-spacers/pioneer-leg-height-spacer_plhspair) . Which are spacers that allow the legs to slide out wider when the tray is narrow.

[rufusking]

If you are not worried about warranty you can fit the RLTP legs either using the little wedges that used to come with them or spend a little time filing the outer edges so that the top fixing surfaces are in line across the vehicle rather than pointing down to the roof.

[SimmAus]

Instead he recommended to get the RLT500 (http://www.rhinorack.com.au/products/roof-rack-parts/legs/rlt-leg_rlt500) legs and to also purchase 2 PLHSPAIRS (http://www.rhinorack.com.au/products/spare-parts/height-spacers/pioneer-leg-height-spacer_plhspair) . Which are spacers that allow the legs to slide out wider when the tray is narrow.[/QUOTE]

Interesting...As mentioned above I have the LR short rails, platform 42107B fitted with

RTLF - rhino HD track legs 80mm
RTS502F -track set for disco (front tracks)
LHS2PAIR - leg height spacer
PLHSPAIR - tray spacers
RLTP - low mount leg set

All seems good. I don't have a sun roof, which is another issue I've read about on the forum and stresses from not fitting the correct roof equipment.
Without further sidetracking the thread - It's an interesting issue about the warranty though, if a installer / rhino dealer fits the products and they fail......as far as I'm concerned they must make good. Anyway, no problems with mine so far :-)

[jon3950]

The little wedges make them sit pretty flat. You can certainly tighten them down onto the rails. Also the RLTP legs are straight longitudinally while the rails have a slight curvature. This all puts a little bit of tension into the legs when you tighten them up. Its very slight and personally I see it as a good thing as it helps keep the connections tight.

The recommended RLT leg has a radiused joint in them to adjust for all the misalignment. A good idea in theory but I found I couldn't tighten them up enough and they kept coming loose on rough roads. Also the button head screws Rhino provide are cheap and nasty and the sockets on them give way when you put any tension on them. I replaced mine with stainless hex head screws.

The other thing I like about the RLTP is its held down by 2 screws whereas the RLT is only held down by one.

I understand why Rhino recommend the RLT legs. They are a better fit and they are probably fine for normal road use. They just didn't work for me. I've had the RLTP legs on for about 10 months and so far they have been fine.

You don't need the spacers for the narrower rack using either leg.

Cheers,
Jon

[jon3950]

Just to clarify re the spacers, you don't need them for the short rack as it only uses 2 legs, whereas the the long rack uses 3 so the level is more critical.

As for warranty, I chose the bits and installed them myself. Therefore I wouldn't expect their warranty to cover it.

Cheers,
Jon

[jon3950]

Just thought I'd put up a couple of photos of the RLTP legs.

This one shows the wedges:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/1146.jpg

This one shows the slight angle the rack sits at relative to the leg:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/1147.jpg

Cheers,
Jon

[DiscoFan]

I'm presuming as well as working ok with the platform, the RLTP legs also work with just cross bars for the Disco, despite the catalogue recommending different legs? I like the idea of the shorter legs, keeping the rack/cross bars closer to the roof.

[Jimlr]

Has anyone fitted one of these with long rails AND a sunroof? What might be best option in this case?
Couldn't find previous discussions on possible stresses to the glass panels, although I can see how it could be something to be wary of, especially if the legs are under some 'tension' with certain leg / platform combos, or riveting is required...

[rufusking]

Has anyone fitted one of these with long rails AND a sunroof? What might be best option in this case?
Couldn't find previous discussions on possible stresses to the glass panels, although I can see how it could be something to be wary of, especially if the legs are under some 'tension' with certain leg / platform combos, or riveting is required...

I have the Alpine Roof option and have the RLTP legs with cross bars and tray (only fit the tray when travellng and keep the crossbars on around town) but I did file down the outer edge of the leg where it mounts onto the factory long track so that the cossbar / platform / tray mounting surface is in-line across the vehicle.

[BSM]

I installed the narrower Rhino platform 42100B to the D3 last weekend. It's a nice neat look. (Thanks Jon) I used the Rhino recommended RLT legs. I think they're fine.

A couple of observations:

When attaching the cross bar peices to the underside of the platform, you need to use the holes marked as F1 and R2 in the fitting instructions.

The spacers are not required, however the narrower fitting causes the hex socket bolt heads of the cross bar and the legs to almost line up directly one over the other. This causes a little bit of interference when tightening with the supplied Allen key. But nothing that can't be dealt with.

[Kieren]

Reviving an old thread, I'm looking to get a Pioneer Platform and wondered how the RLTP legs had held up over time? Any thoughts on noise? I like the look of the shorter legs but thought the restriction on air passing under the platform might cause more wind noise that the longer RLT500 legs.

Appreciate the advice team.

[jon3950]

Mine are still going strong. Never come loose, whereas I had a lot of problems with the longer legs. This down to it being a 2 bolt connection instead of a single and also being under a bit of tension due to the slight twisting.

Its been a while since I ran the longer legs but I don't recall a difference in wind noise. I did muck about a bit at the time with them to see if there was a difference and decided then it was not significant enough to worry about. That may be different on a full length rack and of course someone else's perception may be different.

Cheers,
Jon

[LRD414]

I've only ever had the short RLTP legs on the short platform. Never had an issue with wind noise being intrusive until I installed the front and side rail kit. I also remove the whole thing when not planning to use it for a while so this means that it is usually carrying stuff when it's installed. Most of the wind noise comes from the stuff on the platform but even then it hasn't bothered us.

Not as old as Jon's but no issues so far with strength etc, although I did change the bolts to good quality stainless socket head bolts like this:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/445.jpg

I found the Rhino supplied cap heads to be quite soft and never liked the "security head":
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/446.jpg

And I agree with Jon regarding preference for the two bolt design.

Cheers,
Scott

[Kieren]

Thanks Guys, can I ask where you bought yours from Scott? I went to a big roof rack retailer at Kedron and got the, "this is the only option for the Discovery" song and dance.

I might be sensitive, but it felt like one of those interactions where I should have known better than having anything other than a Toyosan and deserve the limited options that come for the Disco :mad:

[LRD414]

Doesn't sound like they deserve your money.
I went to Roof Racks Galore at Rocklea (Ipswich Rd).
I have found them to be excellent on multiple visits and would have no hesitation recommending them. My Dad recently got his there too.

One caveat: I did not get the narrow one like Jon and you will note that he fitted his himself. If you asked for that one it may have contributed to the issue as I think they may be restricted by Rhino (my assumption). Although that doesn't explain a bad attitude.

Anyway, if that's the case and you want the narrow one, just get them to install the rails and supply the rack to you flat pack. Would not be difficult to put together and doing a proper job of the rails is the most important thing anyway. I reckon the Rocklea guys would agree to do as I've described but obviously I can't be certain because I got the wider one.

If getting the narrow one, consider the comments (I think in this thread) regarding alignment of bolts in the rack with the feet bolts, making space tight. Particularly if you intend to remove and refit the rack frequently as I do. This is not an issue for me with the wider one.

Cheers,
Scott

[Kieren]

Great I'll head down there and see them.

One point to clarify, are you using the LR rails or the Rhino one? I have the factory rails so may also be an issue.

[sctsprin]

Yep the narrow one with short legs is very tight on the bolts for removal
I've had a few interesting experiences with the aforementioned north side dealer too

[LRD414]

One point to clarify, are you using the LR rails or the Rhino one? I have the factory rails so may also be an issue.
I have Rhino rails. I think I've read on here about people with factory rails and Rhino legs but can't recall the details. In the worst case you could change to Rhino rails.

EDIT: it's Jon in post 21. He has LR rails and RLTP legs.

Scott

[Kieren]

Off to Rocklea tomorrow then thanks team.

[Mog60]

I put a couple of eyebolts in the slot on the edge of the rack and sit the maxtrax on them so that the eyebolts sit in the hand holds of the maxtrax. I then tie them down with a couple of straps through the eyebolts. This locates them positively and stops them moving around and working loose on rough roads.

I also mount an awning on there now and the maxtrax sit neatly between the mounting brackets for the awning.

You can just make out the eyebolts in the photo below:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/420.jpg

Cheers,
Jon
I realise this was posted a while ago but have just come across this post and with a few minutes investigation have found that it also works for fixing a set of Maxtrax to a Prospeed roof rack. So thanks very much Jon as it is a great idea.

[jon3950]

Scott makes a good point regarding the bolts. The ones supplied are made from cheese and the heads split when you tighten them. I used hex heads as I found it easier to get a spanner on them instead of a hex key with the reduced clearance.

I am using the factory rails which are curved. The narrow rack with the short legs is a bit fiddly to set up at first, but once set is easily removed and re-installed. I can do it by myself without a problem.

Another point worth mentioning is I installed my rack backwards as that was the only way it fitted due to the slots in the factory rails.

I went with the narrower rack as I prefer the way it looks, but it does compromise your load space as you lose one rail. This hasn't bothered me but equally comparing mine to Scott's there wasn't much difference in the way it looks anyway.

Cheers,
Jon

[RHS58]

Roof Racks Galore have outlets at Kedron and Rocklea.

I've purchased from Kedron over the years many products for different vehicles, and accessories eg kayak loader, tie downs, bike carriers.

They've been excellent, especially with warranty issues on the Rhino roof tracks - an issue with the black finish turning orange after a year or two of sun exposure. Must have been a batch issue because other tracks have been no problem.

Ron

[LRD414]

.... I used hex heads as I found it easier to get a spanner on them instead of a hex key with the reduced clearance ....
I wish I had read this point about the bolts a bit closer Jon.
The socket head bolts I got are good but still require fiddling with the allen key.
I'm going to get a set of these hex ones now. Ratchet spanner will be perfect.


I put a couple of eyebolts in the slot on the edge of the rack and sit the maxtrax on them so that the eyebolts sit in the hand holds of the maxtrax. I then tie them down with a couple of straps through the eyebolts.
Jon's is a very neat, simple and effective solution. Mine is a bit more complex so as to locate the Maxtrax across the platform at the rear, easily accessible from the tailgate. And I sometimes have other things along the edges where Jon's sit. It should work on any rack with channel rails because the rack mounting is independent of the Matrix mounting. You need:

- Aluminium c-channel
- Unistrut spring washers
- Max Trax mounting pins (sold as an accessory)
- M10 bolts and washers

The c-channel is part of a DIY fencing system at Bunnings, already powder coated black and the perfect height.
Unistrut is a commercial mounting system typically used for mounting electrical cable ladders and trays, as well as pipe services such as fire water. I got them from Rexel.
The pins can carry up to 4 Trax.

The c-channel was cut to length and mounted to the roof rack using M10 bolts and the Unistrut washers, which are a good fit into the roof rack mounting channels.
The Max Trax mounting pins were bolted to the c-channel at the correct spacing.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/407.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/128.jpg

Scott

[AnD3rew]

I have a Rhino platform, but for the MaxTrax if you have a RWC it is much better to buy the genuine MaxTrax rear wheel harness, it is ridiculously expensive (@$100), but it is so much easier to get the a Trax On and off if you need them and to take the whole thing off for storage when you don't want them on the truck, rather than having to clamber around trying to get them off the roof if you are bogged.

[sctsprin]

Is the RWC a pain in the proverbial for day to day use?

I originally bought the Traxrax mounts, but found them difficult and got in the way of my roof bag, so came up with the system Scott is using, which i much prefer, but in future i'd like to cross bolt the two rails together so they just pop on and off of the tray with no alignment necessary, so it's a 60 second job, not a 5 minute job.

[jon3950]

Being right on the edge of the rack mine are fairly easy to access as you only need to undo the straps and pull them off the 2 eyebolts which are right on the edge of the rack.

Tieing them down again is a bit of pain mostly because the rack is low to the roof so its difficult to get a hand under it. At off-road speeds though the Maxtrax actually sit quite securely just on the eyebolts as they are a tight fit in the hand-holds.

No doubt the rear carrier would be more convenient if you have one though.

Its funny going to a Defender and having a wheel on the back door again. I now have a lot of things competing for space to be carried on the rear wheel. This includes a bin bag which I bought (not brought) just before I sold my D2 and so has never been used. Of course I won't be carrying any Maxtrax there because the Defender is so much more capable off-road I won't need them anymore. ;)

Cheers,
Jon

[LRD414]

Of course I won't be carrying any Maxtrax there because the Defender is so much more capable off-road I won't need them anymore. ;)


LOL. Stirrer. [emoji16] posting in the wrong thread Jon.

[jon3950]

:angel:

[AnD3rew]

Is the RWC a pain in the proverbial for day to day use?

Well there is no doubt it is a bit more of a hassle than without, I will admit if I have a couple of bags of shopping I am more likely to put them in the back seat than I used to be, but it's not really that big a deal.

[AnD3rew]

No doubt the rear carrier would be more convenient if you have one though.

Its funny going to a Defender and having a wheel on the back door again. I now have a lot of things competing for space to be carried on the rear wheel. This includes a bin bag which I bought (not brought) just before I sold my D2 and so has never been used. Of course I won't be carrying any Maxtrax there because the Defender is so much more capable off-road I won't need them anymore. ;)

Cheers,
Jon

Hah, you wish:p.

I put my bin bag on as well as the MaxTrax, no worries.

[mu88wa]

Decided on pioneer platform to leave it on permanently. Is that a good idea? Apparently it will still stays within the 2100mm of my office car park and most undercover car parks in Perth CBD.

Prefer the narrower version like seen on Jon3950's. Hence I ordered the 1236 x 1528 non D4 standard platform yesterday from Roof Rack Superstore. As it is non standard, it needs the additional spacers. Hopefully can get it fixed before the weekend. Apparently, they don't have stock.

Anyone has any height problem with the pioneer platform? To think that I have to do it (adjust the height into car park) on daily basis at work is going to be such a chore.

[BSM]

Decided on pioneer platform to leave it on permanently. Is that a good idea? Apparently it will still stays within the 2100mm of my office car park and most undercover car parks in Perth CBD.

Prefer the narrower version like seen on Jon3950's. Hence I ordered the 1236 x 1528 non D4 standard platform yesterday from Roof Rack Superstore. As it is non standard, it needs the additional spacers. Hopefully can get it fixed before the weekend. Apparently, they don't have stock.

Anyone has any height problem with the pioneer platform? To think that I have to do it (adjust the height into car park) on daily basis at work is going to be such a chore.

I have my rhino pioneer platform on all the time. I chose the narrower one as Jon recommended. Its been fine. Yes you have to be careful in car parks. I just lower to access height when the ceiling height is 2.00m. Any less than that and I'd think twice about going in.

[sctsprin]

Mine sits at 1950 with the short legs

[mu88wa]

Mine sits at 1950 with the short legs

Sctsprin, that's a pretty low set up at 1950mm. Which kind/type of short legs are those. Can you show us some pics or give me the part numbers. I am most keen to explore the lowest possible option.

[sctsprin]

These are the parts i used

[jon3950]

Not sure why they are telling you to use spacers. These should only be needed for the front legs on the long tray as they need three pairs of legs.

Which rails are you using?

Cheers,
Jon

[strydes]

Anyone has any height problem with the pioneer platform? To think that I have to do it (adjust the height into car park) on daily basis at work is going to be such a chore.
I have a pioneer platform on the Rhino tracks and didn't use the spacers in their D4 kit just to keep it that little bit lower. I work in Central Park in Perth CBD which has an 'advertised' height limit of 1950mm and it just clips the height tester thing at access height on the back corner (the ramp is on a weird angle) but nowhere within the car park.

No dramas at the Convention centre carpark, that's advertised as 2100mm but seems very conservative as it's very high!

[Meken]

I have a pioneer platform on the Rhino tracks and didn't use the spacers in their D4 kit just to keep it that little bit lower. I work in Central Park in Perth CBD which has an 'advertised' height limit of 1950mm and it just clips the height tester thing at access height on the back corner (the ramp is on a weird angle) but nowhere within the car park.



No dramas at the Convention centre carpark, that's advertised as 2100mm but seems very conservative as it's very high!


Seems high but there is bound to be one pipe over a carparks down in the back corner that's low ...

[mu88wa]

Not sure why they are telling you to use spacers. These should only be needed for the front legs on the long tray as they need three pairs of legs.

Which rails are you using?

Cheers,
Jon

I don't have the LR rail. Hence going for this set, except with the narrower platform of 1528 x 1236mm. There may be additional set of spacers for the narrower platform. Will know more tomorrow.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/772.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/motz/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-05%20at%207.20.13%20pm.png.html)

[mu88wa]

I am right opposite at BHP building car park.

[mu88wa]

I have a pioneer platform on the Rhino tracks and didn't use the spacers in their D4 kit just to keep it that little bit lower. I work in Central Park in Perth CBD which has an 'advertised' height limit of 1950mm and it just clips the height tester thing at access height on the back corner (the ramp is on a weird angle) but nowhere within the car park.

No dramas at the Convention centre carpark, that's advertised as 2100mm but seems very conservative as it's very high!

I am right opposite at BHP building car park. :D

[LandyAndy]

Those warnings are usually for the LOWEST point you may encounter in the building.Dont be tricked if you JUST rub the warning device.It could be a fire pipe elsewhere at that height;););););)
Andrew

[Smocky]

This is an awesome thread. The Pioneer platform seems popular and I can understand why.

but if I dont have factory rails and want just crossbars (I have rhino aero on the Pajero now) for daily use the the platform or basket added only when needed, what do people use??

[LRD414]

There may be additional set of spacers for the narrower platform. Will know more tomorrow.
I don't think it's related to the narrow width. The leg height spacer is recommended by Rhino so that the platform is horizontal when mounted on the tracks which have a slight curve down towards the front. I took the spacers out as soon as I got home. Mine is standard width but I can't see the spacers being required just because the platform is narrow.

Scott

[mu88wa]

I don't think it's related to the narrow width. The leg height spacer is recommended by Rhino so that the platform is horizontal when mounted on the tracks which have a slight curve down towards the front. I took the spacers out as soon as I got home. Mine is standard width but I can't see the spacers being required just because the platform is narrow.

Scott

The spacer I mentioned here is in addition to the "Heavy Duty Leg Height Spacer" listed in the standard package. This is an additional spacer I was told specifically because I "deviate" from the standard 1528x1376mm platform at an additional $30. This may or may not be required, will only find out at time of install apparently. I'll take some pics and update again tmr. I would rather do without any, need it as low as possible.

[mu88wa]

Got it installed today. Size: 1528 x 1236mm. No additional spacers required. New overall vehicle height on standard is 1960mm.

Feedback: Wind noise was most noticeable on freeway at 100kmh. Other than that, it's not something I can't live with for daily CBD commute.

Here's some pics:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/740.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/motz/media/Car/20160206_144022.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/741.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/motz/media/Car/20160206_143945_001.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/742.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/motz/media/Car/20160206_143905.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/743.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/motz/media/Car/20160206_143937.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/744.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/motz/media/Car/20160206_144204.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/745.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/motz/media/Car/20160206_144254.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/02/746.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/motz/media/Car/20160206_144309.jpg.html)

[jon3950]

Very neat. Even lower than mine - I like it. Only downside is its a bitch to clean the roof but I can live with that.

FWIW I mucked about a bit with heights to see if it made any difference to the wind noise and found there was no noticeable difference. I've found it pretty easy to live with for the nearly 3 years I've had it.

Cheers,
Jon

[LandyAndy]

Looks great.Pretty much what Aaron40 got just before we went to Horrocks.
Im tossing between that and the full length with the backbone mounts.
I would like a fox wing and able to carry set up beach rods.Im sure with a reinforcing mount a fox wing could be used on those smaller racks,one could then strap the fishing rods to the fox wing during transport.
Cheers
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Where did you get your window plastics/vents??? How much???? Do they help stop the drumming noise with a window open?????
Had them on a Falcon wagon many years ago,always thought I would have them again.
Andrew

[mu88wa]

Where did you get your window plastics/vents??? How much???? Do they help stop the drumming noise with a window open?????
Had them on a Falcon wagon many years ago,always thought I would have them again.
Andrew

Got it from eBay. Same noise level as before. Always had these on my previous cars. Very useful on rainy days.

Wished I had gotten a slightly bigger ones as you can see this current ones create some "unfinished" lines on the frame. Plenty on ebays, pick the right one.

[BenD4]

Mine is the 1528 x 1236 - I went narrower than Rhino recommend and used the RLTP legs instead of the RLT legs.

The size is a good match for the roof:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/282.jpg


Hi All,

I need to fit racks or a platform to my D4 in the next couple of weeks. I really like the look of Jon's Rhino Pioneer Platfrom but I have full length factory rails. Has anyone here got the 1928mm x 1236mm platform fitted and could I trouble you for some feedback (wind noise) and some pictures?

I don't plan on running it on the car permanently and have read the recommendations of upgrading the fixings. Are they easy and quick enough to take on and off?

Thanks
Ben

[LRD414]

Has anyone here got the 1928mm x 1236mm platform fitted and could I trouble you for some feedback (wind noise) and some pictures?
Ben,

James (sctsprin) has a full-length narrow platform (2128x1236) but not mounted to full-length rails. He has made his own wind deflector.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/d3-d4-rrs/103271d1450595367-bfg-ko2-265-65-18-d4-img_1334.jpg
Photo from another thread

It's a good setup, I think he keeps it on fulltime. The parts he used are posted earlier in this thread.

Scott

[gotaflat]

platform rack with full optional rails
Length 1928mm
Width 1376mm

legs - "Part No: RLT502" which give it so much hight....to much

I have the full roof rails

http://s413.photobucket.com/user/gotaflat/media/Robs%20Disco/IMG_2153.jpg.html'sort=3&o=11

Think this link still works? Robs Disco by Rob Proud | Photobucket (http://s413.photobucket.com/user/gotaflat/library/Robs%20Disco'sort=3&page=1)

I have had the rack off the car for over a year now and have the factory cross bars for a large Thule roof pod....

If I had my time again I may not get the rails all the way around. Its handy though. I would like to have the pod attached to the platform rack for water/dust proofing gear - just have not had the time to investigate.

[Strop]

Know I am bringing up an old thread but has anyone put the shorter platform (1528 long) onto a vehicle fitted with the factory long tracks? Photos? Wondering how it looks?

All the best

Laurie

[Briar]

Know I am bringing up an old thread but has anyone put the shorter platform (1528 long) onto a vehicle fitted with the factory long tracks? Photos? Wondering how it looks?

All the best

Laurie

I installed the shorter platform on low legs and I have the full length factory rails. My reason for going for the short platform was twofold. Firstly, the D4 roof is only rated to 75kg and I'll easily fill that on just the short platform. Secondly, I was concerned about wind noise with the extra protrusion of the full length platform.

This allows me to have the front part of the factory rails still available for later on fitting my aero bar with push bike attachment clamps. You will notice I currently have simply mounted my aero bars at the front of the platform for carrying the bikes. All I did was drill two holes through the centre of the aero bars and tapped out a bit of steel plate to effectively bolt the aero bar to the front of the platform. I just bought a couple of long eye bolts from Bunnings. Later on I'll get a couple of more rhino legs that attach to the factory rails and mount the aero bar near the front of the factory rails. This will push the 2 bikes well forward leaving room for second spare and stuff on platform when needed. Works for me. Not much wind noise at all even with the aero bars left on.
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[Strop]

I installed the shorter platform on low legs and I have the full length factory rails. My reason for going for the short platform was twofold. Firstly, the D4 roof is only rated to 75kg and I'll easily fill that on just the short

That is exactly what I am thinking. I carry a long and wide double kayak at times and a front aero bar was my thought also. I actually bought mine second hand with LR roof racks fitted. Might be abut taller than the rack but not an issue.

Awning (12), spare (30), maxtrax (7), shovel (3), swag (20), plus rack (20) is 92kg. Only need swag when unable to take teardrop. So as you say not much.

Thank you for the photo.

All the best

Laurie

[Chrislouie86]

Mine is the 1528 x 1236 - I went narrower than Rhino recommend and used the RLTP legs instead of the RLT legs.

The size is a good match for the roof:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/282.jpg

I went narrower as I didn't want the overhang on the sides. To me this looks a lot neater but does comprise storage space a bit as you lose one slat. It doesn't bother me as I don't put a lot up there. It will fit a tyre, a jerry can and some Maxtrax, with some space for firewood. I also have an awning and shovel up there.

Wind noise is very subjective. There is some, but not as much as I seem to get from the RAI. I notice it because the Disco is so quiet, but it doesn't bother me.

There are more photos of it with various loads in my gallery.
Message - AULRO Photo Gallery (http://www.aulro.com/app/showgallery.php/cat/1293)


Cheers,
Jon

Hi Jon.

You would t have any part number or any further information in regard to the RLTP legs and whether I need a kit to fit the Pioneer platform!?

Cheers
Christian

[jon3950]

Hi Christian,

It was a long time ago that I did this and I no longer have the Disco, but if I remember correctly all I bought was the platform and 4 legs - I already had the std roof rails. I think you get all the wedges and screws that you need with the legs. I replaced the button head screws with hex heads as they are made of cheese and the hex heads make them easier to fit.

Cheers,
Jon

[Lockee]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/545.jpg

Getting ready to put my Pioneer flat Platform on my D3

Already had a track mount fitted

On left is the Low track mount with two mounting bolts.

Right is a single bolt mount

Will be going for the one on the left

[Lockee]

Pioneer Platform (1328mm x 1426mm) - #42111B | Rhino-Rack (http://www.rhinorack.com.au/products/roof/roof-trays/pioneer-platforms/pioneer-platform-1328mm-x-1426mm-_42111b)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/117.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/118.jpg

Fitted last night

[l00kin4]

Pioneer Platform (1328mm x 1426mm) - #42111B | Rhino-Rack (http://www.rhinorack.com.au/products/roof/roof-trays/pioneer-platforms/pioneer-platform-1328mm-x-1426mm-_42111b)


Fitted last night

Looks good. Wondering - did you use wedges under the legs to 'correct' the angle ?

David

[Lockee]

Looks good. Wondering - did you use wedges under the legs to 'correct' the angle ?

David

Deleted the wedges as struggled with bolt length. Will change the brass six sided nuts to square nuts for better purchase in the tracks

[Lockee]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/122.jpg

[Lockee]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/120.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/121.jpg

[Lockee]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/119.jpg

[l00kin4]

I'm sure you're all over it but just in case - those foam backed rectangular nuts need to go with the longer dimension across rather than along the channel or they can come out... David

[Jackcat]

Anyone know if the sunroof_clears if you have the full length platform on the legs.

[BrianElloy]

I’ve got a full length Rhino platform on quick release legs if anyone is interested

Advertised on gumtree, in Perth.

Sunroof can open

[Jackcat]

I’ve got a full length Rhino platform on quick release legs if anyone is interested

Advertised on gumtree, in Perth.

Sunroof can open


Wish we could pick up your gear Brian, you have some nice accessories for your LR4. Really sorry about your loss and hope you get another LR in the future.