2004 110 defender bonnet mount Sapir tyre

[Luggy110]

Hi all I was trying to find some info on mounting a Spare tyre on the bonnet of my defender??????

I have just put a rijidji Spare wheel + two jerry can rear bar on it so there is one spare and I want to be able to carry a second Spare, as the roof rack will have a tinny for the bigger trips, I was wanting to put it on the bonnet to keep anymore weight off the high points of the car and keep it easy to load and anload the tinny without have a pair to work around.

Any info on this bonnet mount set up would be great.
I have heard that the TD5 changed bonnets and are not as strong, so tyre mounting requires bracing???? Is this true????
Thank you

[numpty]

I'm presuming you are refering to a spare?

My understanding also is that the Td5 bonnet is not suitable for the mount as the strengthening ribs have been removed.

I have seen a Series spare wheel mount fitted to Defender bonnets and even the rear door mount from a Series could be used.

[James]

I think Murray at Rijidij made this custom Puma spare wheel mount a couple of years ago.
The wheel is mounted on a frame that goes over the bonnet.

It's worth considering the reduction of forward visibility and the weight of lifting the wheel and bonnet.

James

[Luggy110]

Thanks numpty and James
I just got off the phone to Murray and he sent me in the right direction for some photos of the TD5 I did.
James was it your 90 that Murray did the bonnet bracket on?
If so how is it to drive ect.
http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/24051/title/image103/cat/500

[dullbird]

If your in OZ you may need to consider the legalities of it too,

[AndyG]

Luggy, to improve my odds of not losing a tyre I have a TMS, plus repair kit and compressor. Hopefully minor damage will not turn into major.

[James]

James was it your 90 that Murray did the bonnet bracket on?
If so how is it to drive ect.


Hi Luggy,

No it’s not my 90.
You could try a cardboard box or something about the size of the wheel on the bonnet.
Then you would be able to see the impact on the drivers visibility.

James

[Luggy110]

Thanks James I might try that, would be good to talk to someone that has it on a td5 bonnet, I'm only going to use it for big trips and plus its not my everyday driver.

[Luggy110]

If your in OZ you may need to consider the legalities of it too,

Thank, Yer dullbird it's only for big tips in outback Aus thanks

[Luggy110]

Luggy, to improve my odds of not losing a tyre I have a TMS, plus repair kit and compressor. Hopefully minor damage will not turn into major.

I have a TMS and an compressor but a slice in a tyre and your a tyre down, and on a big trip you can't afford that, I have been there once before that's way I want two spares.

[AndyG]

Look forward to your solution, I imagine two wheels on the carrier( piggy back) would place excessive loads it.

[Luggy110]

Look forward to your solution, I imagine two wheels on the carrier( piggy back) would place excessive loads it.

Have a look it murrays from rijidji 4x4
http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/24049/title/image101/cat/500
http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/24051/title/image103/cat/500

[rijidij]

Look forward to your solution, I imagine two wheels on the carrier( piggy back) would place excessive loads it.

I have done a couple of piggy back carriers using the single type carrier. This isn't the best pic, but it's the only one I have of one fitted.

Cheers, Murray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/166.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/Wheel%20Carriers/Piggy%20back%20wheel%20carrier/Piggy-back-spares_zps1afc0ca6.jpg.html)

[Luggy110]

I have done a couple of piggy back carriers using the single type carrier. This isn't the best pic, but it's the only one I have of one fitted.

Cheers, Murray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/166.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/Wheel%20Carriers/Piggy%20back%20wheel%20carrier/Piggy-back-spares_zps1afc0ca6.jpg.html)

Hi Murray it ben I spoke to ou yeasty morning in regards to the bonnet mount spare, how dose the piggy back one go much weight hanging on the back?

[rijidij]

Hi Murray it ben I spoke to ou yeasty morning in regards to the bonnet mount spare, how dose the piggy back one go much weight hanging on the back?

G,day Ben,
The Defender in the picture has done many, many kms of Outback travel without issue, in fact the owners are very happy with the piggy back setup.
Yes, it is a lot of weight hanging off the carrier and chassis, and I made it clear to the owner that I couldn't guarantee that it would be trouble free in the long term, but so far so good.
The backing plates for the wheel carrier, on the inside of the chassis, are made in a way that they wrap over the top and bottom edges of the chassis, a stronger method than I've seen on other carriers.
Cheers, Murray

[Luggy110]

G,day Ben,
The Defender in the picture has done many, many kms of Outback travel without issue, in fact the owners are very happy with the piggy back setup.
Yes, it is a lot of weight hanging off the carrier and chassis, and I made it clear to the owner that I couldn't guarantee that it would be trouble free in the long term, but so far so good.
The backing plates for the wheel carrier, on the inside of the chassis, are made in a way that they wrap over the top and bottom edges of the chassis, a stronger method than I've seen on other carriers.
Cheers, Murray

Thanks murray I have all ready got one of your rear bars on my 110 now I have two jerry can and one tyre, so could I piggy back on that one?

[AndyG]

Well I stand corrected, and another option to consider.

[rijidij]

Thanks murray I have all ready got one of your rear bars on my 110 now I have two jerry can and one tyre, so could I piggy back on that one?

I would be reluctant to piggy back on the rear bar as the stub axle length is shorter than on the single carrier and located at the narrow end part of the chassis. It might be quite ok, but I couldn't guarantee it without actually testing it.
Personally, I'd go the way of a bonnet mount for an extra wheel, but only for touring when needed.

Cheers, Murray

[Luggy110]

I would be reluctant to piggy back on the rear bar as the stub axle length is shorter than on the single carrier and located at the narrow end part of the chassis. It might be quite ok, but I couldn't guarantee it without actually testing it.
Personally, I'd go the way of a bonnet mount for an extra wheel, but only for touring when needed.

Cheers, Murray

I think that's what I will do murray I might try catch up with you in the coming weeks and look at it. Thanks heaps for everybody's help on this suject.

[Benz]

I have a spare mounted to my td5 bonnet.

Fitted it there for my trip around Australia and having two spares can be handy when in the middle of nowhere.

I found getting a 235/85 on a 130 rim quite hard to get onto the roof, it's a long way up there, and then there's getting it down which can be fun.

so I got a FrontRunner bonnet mount kit, some 3mm checker plate for on top of the bonnet and got a ali plate made to fit the unbraced section on the underside of the bonnet.

All up I think it kinda worked but isn't perfect.

First off the rubbers which the tyre sits on supplied with the FrontRunner kit are pretty crap. They have become all deformed.
The bonnet is now bloody heavy and no longer pops up by its self. I have to prop the bonnet release lever (in the cab) up with something to get the bonnet open.
The bonnet isn't too heavy to lift but I did really hurt my back once opening the bonnet (My back was semi crook from 3 days of rowing a Canadian canoe but lifting the bonnet pushed it over the edge and I spent 24 hours laying on my back in pain :()
and last of all, Some how the bonnet catch has come loose on the bonnet. not sure how this happened but it is a bit of a pain and the bonnet has a bit more movement then one would desire... not actually sure how to get it fixed. it's like a captive nut or something which is pressed/welded in? I think I will have to separate the bonnet skin from the frame to fix it...

I'm still happy though and don't mind looking at it all the time.
although I have never had to use the second spare...

[Luggy110]

Hey Benz
Thanks for the input on the bonnet mount spare, good to talk to someone how has used one. Was it hard to drive with or not a problem? I think I might try and get one from rijidij off road, murray at rijidi off-road makes some really good quality stuff, I have one of his rear bars and it's the best rear bar I have ever had, I have had 5 rear bars all up are not one come close to rijidij off-road one.I have seen the bonnet mount bracket he makes and it's pretty spot on for what I want. I only want the tyre on there when I'm on a big trip.
Thanks luggy110

[Benz]

yeah by the looks of rijidij bonnet bracket it's heaps better then the frontrunner one I'm using.

I don't have any problems with driving with the wheel there in day to day use.

if you were doing lots of technical offroading up and down hills it might annoy you a little.

[Hooroo]

I pop my 2nd spare on the bonnet for trips and visibility isn't an issue for touring. Just do it. If you're looking at heaps of driving on severe tracks where you need precise wheel placement it may not be ideal, but generally it's absolutely fine. Go for it.