Last Defenders made when?

[Going Deaf]

Hi Guys,

I've been reading about the 90 series going out of production in 2015 and light commercials in 2017 so thought I had a fair bit of time to save up for a 110. A few people selling Defs on Carsales are saying production stops this year.

What's the actual scenario?

Cheers

And sorry if this has been done to death already.

[Pickles2]

Lots of threads on this.
The OFFICIAL date from JLR as to when the last Defender will "roll down the line" is the 20th December 2015.
Specialized/less popular Defender builds will finish before that.
Whilst the aforementioned date is the date of last production, if I was going to order ANY Defender, I'd be thinking about it now. There's bound to be a "last minute rush", there are already two "special editions" available in the UK, and there will be bound to be more, all of course occupying more & more of Solihull's build capacity.
So ya'd better get a move on?
Pickles.

[uninformed]

And the very last ones have already been ordered. Aus LR will also have a cut off date before last production

[Tombie]

Ours is sitting in the manufacturing cue as we speak! Delivery in September.

[Going Deaf]

Hmmm.....no pressure then.

Better book a test drive. There have been some interesting deals on 110 2013 demo models lately. But so few 130's on the market.

[Pickles2]

Best go to your Dealer I reckon, & see what He's got to say about deliveries, final production etc, although some of them are pretty vague,...and I haven't seen anything official from JLR Australia, only what's come from the U.K.
Pickles.

[bemm52]

Yes its curious about the lack of 130's ..........I was going to wait but got a bit edgy as stocks diminished ......ended up with a MY 13 130 with 12klms on the clock a new car but one year old.
Good Luck

[Going Deaf]

Thanks. I did speak with the Adelaide dealer a few months ago, great salesman he offered me a demo anytime. He didn't mention a lack of time either to order one so I'll pose the question.

One other question. I had a look on the ATO website to try and see what the FBT implications are regarding buying a Defender. All I saw was a note saying Defender 110s are not automatically exempt. I'll be using it for work related to our family vineyard and wine. Has anyone looked into this further? I know tax questions make people nervous so don't feel obliged to give too much information. I note the 110 is quoted as having a payload over 1 tonne which is one criteria element ticked. I could perhaps buy a 130 but they seem much more expensive and to be honest I love the classic 110 shape.

[AndyG]

Be aware the unusual' body configs will go out of production much sooner than the std 90 & 110 wagon shapes. Also, to get a genuine 1 tonne payload i believe you need the HD option, which may also finish early. But all this is opinion only not fact.

A new friend with a Winery !:):D

[frantic]

Facts from the horses mouth.
Defender 4X4 Station Wagon 90 & 110 Wheelbases. 5 or 7 Seats. | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/defender/explore/station-wagon/#__selection_top)

5 or 7 seat wagon have over 1 ton , 1078 and 1012 load capacity respectively, now what this means for FBT I have no idea :D but would appreciate it if it could be explained?
Say a lease on a 60k defender , what does it mean?

[Naks]

FYI, the MY15 builds will have Dynamic Stability Control

[AndyG]

ATO has a lot on exempt vehicles, but it's complex. For example if you add bullbar & winch it lowers % for cargo available. Bur def 110 is on the yes list, nominally.

[frantic]

ATO has a lot on exempt vehicles, but it's complex. For example if you add bullbar & winch it lowers % for cargo available. Bur def 110 is on the yes list, nominally.

Is that one of the reasons why landcruiser 200 series get their gvm raised, along with legal towing etc.?

[Going Deaf]

Hey if I can get my head round the FBT rules I'll try to pass on this information. Some vehicles qualify as FBT exempt. When they talk about eligibility of dual utes for example one criteria is the payload being over 1000KG. I tried to call the ATO yesterday to get more information but they're too busy with May 15 deadlines for company tax lodgement and my call didn't get through.

And yes more than happy to offer our wine at mates rates to people on the forum who like Adelaide Hills and Barossa Valley wine. I might struggle to send it to PNG though sorry.....

Cheers

[AndyG]

A special run

Defender Red
Series Port
And of course
RR Chardonnay :D

Did you find the ATO FBT page ok?

[Going Deaf]

Yeah been looking over the ATO site thanks. One comment I saw was Def 110 is not automatically exempt. On a positive note I guess that means it can be exempt if certain criteria is met.

Rangie Chardonnay. I quite like that actually. I'm picturing a 1970s 2 door perched at the top of the vineyard. Anyone got a nice example for a photo shoot in the Adelaide Hills? We have some of our museum and reserve Chardonnay I need to label and release to the market.....

Later this year we'll release our 2009 Barossa Valley Shiraz. For sure that'll feature an iconic Land somewhere in the vineyard.

It's a hell of a steep property, thick clay soils and you need a serious 4x4 with mud tyres to get around when it's wet. I've had our old Cruiser ute bogged for days. My series 11A Landy used to get around very nicely though. Must admit I'm a little nervous about the anti stall on the Defender for descents. There are sections on our property where losing control could be serious accident. We basically have to do all vineyard work and picking by hand which is fine because it suits our wine.

[ProjectDirector]

Yeah been looking over the ATO site thanks. One comment I saw was Def 110 is not automatically exempt. On a positive note I guess that means it can be exempt if certain criteria is met.



Rangie Chardonnay. I quite like that actually. I'm picturing a 1970s 2 door perched at the top of the vineyard. Anyone got a nice example for a photo shoot in the Adelaide Hills? We have some of our museum and reserve Chardonnay I need to label and release to the market.....



Later this year we'll release our 2009 Barossa Valley Shiraz. For sure that'll feature an iconic Land somewhere in the vineyard.



It's a hell of a steep property, thick clay soils and you need a serious 4x4 with mud tyres to get around when it's wet. I've had our old Cruiser ute bogged for days. My series 11A Landy used to get around very nicely though. Must admit I'm a little nervous about the anti stall on the Defender for descents. There are sections on our property where losing control could be serious accident. We basically have to do all vineyard work and picking by hand which is fine because it suits our wine.


I had the same concerns about the anti stall when I was buying my new 110 but it works really well on steep descents, just throw it in 1st low and let it do its job. No issues at all.

[Tombie]

Anti stall isn't new... Diesels have had it for decades - it was called a Governor back then...

Td5 300tdi and Isuzu etc all do the same

[Going Deaf]

Hey Bemm52,

I should've said congrats on the purchase. Did you go for a tray top or ute body for your 130? And out of curiosity what made you pick the 130. I think they're great, the only dual cab ute on the market with coil springs.....It has surprised me sales volumes never really took off as they're much better off road than say a hilux.

[Pickles2]

Yeah been looking over the ATO site thanks. One comment I saw was Def 110 is not automatically exempt. On a positive note I guess that means it can be exempt if certain criteria is met.

Rangie Chardonnay. I quite like that actually. I'm picturing a 1970s 2 door perched at the top of the vineyard. Anyone got a nice example for a photo shoot in the Adelaide Hills? We have some of our museum and reserve Chardonnay I need to label and release to the market.....

Later this year we'll release our 2009 Barossa Valley Shiraz. For sure that'll feature an iconic Land somewhere in the vineyard.

It's a hell of a steep property, thick clay soils and you need a serious 4x4 with mud tyres to get around when it's wet. I've had our old Cruiser ute bogged for days. My series 11A Landy used to get around very nicely though. Must admit I'm a little nervous about the anti stall on the Defender for descents. There are sections on our property where losing control could be serious accident. We basically have to do all vineyard work and picking by hand which is fine because it suits our wine.
Hello from sunny downtown Aspendale.
Do forum members know about your "product"?
Don't know about forum "rules", but a 2009 Shiraz sounds good to me. How can you tell us about it?
PM me? I (& wifey) LOVE a good red.
Cheers, Pickles.

[AndyG]

Hey, i saw my new best mate first !:)
I thought we would lure him into buying a Defender first and then ravage his vineyard.:p:angel:


But it's open slather PM me too, dying of curiosity and thirst. I was sort of hoping for Hensche, but the terrain is wrong, sure it's excellent however.

[Going Deaf]

I haven't mentioned the name yet....better make sure I follow protocol and take out the right membership before going down that path. Once our new website and '09 Barossa Valley Shiraz is launched I'll let everyone know about it. Perhaps an AULRO mates rate can be setup. I'll be in touch with anyone who wants me to PM them about it shortly too. I still need to book bottling dates and to be honest get a lot of work done in a short amount of time before I can offer it out properly.

Not quite Henschke, we're a fair bit smaller and less known but equally serious about quality. Their Lenswood vineyard is close to ours and I went to college with Johann, great fella.

You know your comment about the RR Chardonnay got me thinking. Our Chardonnay vineyard is in the Piccadilly Valley, specifically at Basket Range........see where I'm heading with this one?

Yesterday a mate of mine who knows I love Defenders called me up to say he was test driving the local dealer's 90 series. We took it for a blast and what a cracker, it's actually quite quick for a car with only 90KW. Not practical enough for me but still fantastic. He's got a 2 year old Navara with the 170KW V6 diesel and is likely to trade it in after that test drive.

[Pickles2]

Going Deaf,....all good mate.
If you've got a good red on the go, the word will soon get around, BUT, if it ain't so good, the word will also "get around".
Count me in for a case.
Pickles.

[frantic]

Yup definetly keep us informed, either pm or a thread as several around here like a good drop, of red, or white, or amber, then theres whiskey:D

[Pickles2]

Yup definetly keep us informed, either pm or a thread as several around here like a good drop, of red, or white, or amber, then theres whiskey:D....or whatever!
Pickles.

[slug_burner]

I haven't mentioned the name yet....better make sure I follow protocol and take out the right membership before going down that path. Once our new website and '09 Barossa Valley Shiraz is launched I'll let everyone know about it. Perhaps an AULRO mates rate can be setup. I'll be in touch with anyone who wants me to PM them about it shortly too. I still need to book bottling dates and to be honest get a lot of work done in a short amount of time before I can offer it out properly.

Not quite Henschke, we're a fair bit smaller and less known but equally serious about quality. Their Lenswood vineyard is close to ours and I went to college with Johann, great fella.

You know your comment about the RR Chardonnay got me thinking. Our Chardonnay vineyard is in the Piccadilly Valley, specifically at Basket Range........see where I'm heading with this one?

Yesterday a mate of mine who knows I love Defenders called me up to say he was test driving the local dealer's 90 series. We took it for a blast and what a cracker, it's actually quite quick for a car with only 90KW. Not practical enough for me but still fantastic. He's got a 2 year old Navara with the 170KW V6 diesel and is likely to trade it in after that test drive.

I'll do a case of that Shiraz. PM me when you're ready for more details. You will love the 110, as a farm vehicle you may be better off with a 130 just for the additional payload and tray. I have a 110 wagon with 300 tdi, not a speed daemon but great fun to get out in.

[Going Deaf]

Howdy,

we did a quick photo shoot (with a 90 demo car) at our vineyard in the Adelaide Hills a few days ago if anyone would like a look. It's much steeper in the flesh than the pictures make out and there are some very boggy sections at the valley bottom which the 90 powered through. A lot of fun and no issue whatsoever going down steep hills too fast, first gear low range was slower than walking.

Cheers