Perentie registration in South Australia

[Aussie Jeepster]

Just curious if there is anyone in SA who has had a Perentie registered?
I'm looking at removing the tool carriers on the bonnet, cutting the exhaust and making it straight out the back (rather than out the side) and removing the jerry can carriers to ensure the rear lights can be seen from all angles.
Also adding approved protective foam to the ROPS bars behind the driver.
Why am I doing this - because it has been suggested that I should!!!!!!!
Would be grateful for feedback from others.

[Mick_Marsh]

Why are you doing all this?
Each state conforms to the same ADR's. I just registered a Perentie yesterday and didn't have a problem. Tool brackets were on the bonnet. Exhaust was out the side. Blackout lights are still functioning.
I've heard some horror stories but that was caused by road worthy certificate issuers that didn't know their job (or were trying to manufacture work for themselves).

[spudboy]

I registered my FFR at Regency earlier this year. You don't need to do any of that stuff.

All they cared about was it had a key, and that I was going to take the convoy lights off.

All up - took about 20 or 30 minutes. No dramas at all, and mine had a full compliment of shovel/axes/etc on the bonnet.

HTH
David

[Aussie Jeepster]

Thanks guys. I have been told by an engineer who does roadworthies that this needed to be done!
I think I'll do some of it as I want to clean up the tools mounts anyway, but the rear jerry holders are not coming off without some serious work.
I might give it a go at Regency and then sort out any issues which arise.
I have the keys and barrels to fit today.
Will keep y'all posted.

[Aussie Jeepster]

I registered my FFR at Regency earlier this year. You don't need to do any of that stuff.

All they cared about was it had a key, and that I was going to take the convoy lights off.

All up - took about 20 or 30 minutes. No dramas at all, and mine had a full compliment of shovel/axes/etc on the bonnet.

HTH
David
Did you have the aerial mounts on your FFR at regency?

[weeds]

Why are you doing all this?
Each state conforms to the same ADR's. I just registered a Perentie yesterday and didn't have a problem. Tool brackets were on the bonnet. Exhaust was out the side. Blackout lights are still functioning.
I've heard some horror stories but that was caused by road worthy certificate issuers that didn't know their job (or were trying to manufacture work for themselves).

I think I have mention elsewhere.........I think they are being registered mainly because they come with a safety certificate and have been driven in the roads the whole life. I reckon the majority of inspectors don't know there job.......

Based on discussion with a guy I know who is a vehicle engineer/modification approver...based on his interpretation of the regs/ADR etc that he has to work with they do not conform and that he would never issue a safety certificate without changes.

One example, if I posted in the 110 area that I fitted a roll cage and relocated my seatbelt mounting points everybody would jump in and say it illegal as it a mod and I don't have a blue plate fitted and I might have insurance problems.........umm the defence force fitted ROPS and relocated the seat belts and it's suddenly OK be cause it's ex military.....anyway that just my two bobs worth

[101RRS]

umm the defence force fitted ROPS and relocated the seat belts and it's suddenly OK be cause it's ex military.....anyway that just my two bobs worth

But it was done by the manufacturer and complies with ADRs of the time. It is technically not a modified vehicle unlike if you did the same to a civvy 110.

Garry

[weeds]

But it was done by the manufacturer and complies with ADRs of the time. It is technically not a modified vehicle unlike if you did the same to a civvy 110.

Garry

You sure it was done by the manufacturer??........they were fitted in army workshops, I was under the impression they were designed by ARMY

[Mick_Marsh]

You sure it was done by the manufacturer??........they were fitted in army workshops, I was under the impression they were designed by ARMY
And conformed with the ADR's of the time. They have compliance plates fitted.

[weeds]

And conformed with the ADR's of the time. They have compliance plates fitted.

Umm the ROPS was fitted years after they were in service.......

Either way......I don't have one yet, it's on the wish list

[Mick_Marsh]

Umm the ROPS was fitted years after they were in service.......

Either way......I don't have one yet, it's on the wish list
And it would have been engineered to comply.
Do you have the design brief for the project?

[weeds]

And it would have been engineered to comply.
Do you have the design brief for the project?

Nope, do you??.....does anybody??

In my experience in the army I doubt they would have considered anything external to their own weird and wonderful ways

There probably won't be any issues but it a big call say they are compliant....if I end up with one it will be demilitarized pretty quick.

[weeds]

Pretty sure my mate has raised the question with Qld Transport.......i have no idea of the outcome. My guess is too hrs basket considering so many are registered.

He sent through a heap of notes and documents he has written about the perentie over a number of years.......i think I posted a couple of extracts a while ago.

[Mick_Marsh]

Nope, do you??.....does anybody??

In my experience in the army I doubt they would have considered anything external to their own weird and wonderful ways

There probably won't be any issues but it a big call say they are compliant....if I end up with one it will be demilitarized pretty quick.
No. I don't. And that is my point.
I have worked for a company that did projects for the ADF. All the projects had design briefs and had to conform to relevant standards. Why would the project to develop and install the ROPS be any different?
When the registration authority registered thePerentie, all they were interested in was sighting the engine number, sighting the VIN and (as the VIN wasn't previously recorded) sighting the compliance plate and noting the date it was affixed.
Oh, and sighting the paperwork. Roadworthy, receipt, weigh bridge ticket, etc.
They didn't test it to make sure it complied with all the relevant ADR's.

[weeds]

All my point was clarifying your statement......I only know one person that has an issue with them being registered and or signing a roadworthy. Maybe he has it all wrong, although I reckon he could very well be correct as he lives and breaths this stuff day to day signing off modification to cars......

Many statements are made on forums.....somebody the other day said you needed to carry your rego papers in the car with you, I asked him for a reference but nothing was produced, buggered if I could find an answer on the net

[Mick_Marsh]

Direct from the Vicroads website.

Do I need to carry my receipt with me if I want to prove I’ve paid the registration?
That won’t be necessary. Victoria Police can identify whether your vehicle is registered through their mobile data terminals or via the Automated Number Plate Recognition technology.
Discontinuation of registration labels : VicRoads (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/RenewCancelOrUpdateRegistration/DiscontinuationOfRegistrationLabels.htm)

Police ignore registration papers, labels and receipts. They only go by what is on the computer.
Ask me how I know.

Those people on the forums have been watching too much American TV.

[spudboy]

Did you have the aerial mounts on your FFR at regency?

Yes.

[Dervish]

You sure it was done by the manufacturer??........they were fitted in army workshops, I was under the impression they were designed by ARMY

My ROPS has a LR part number on it (or at least the sticker on the ROPS does). I have a hazy memory of reading somewhere that the Army asked LR to make a number of modifications to the Perentie throughout its life.

[Aussie Jeepster]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. About to get on a plane to NZ, so will revisit all this in 2 weeks time. I might have a look over the ditch and see what I find for land rover stuff!

[hot rover]

based on his interpretation
Weeds you whole argument falls over on 4 words as quoted above. His interpretation means nothing as it is his opinion and his only. The transport department could have an entirely different opinion and theirs is the one I would listen to, you will even get differing opinions from people within the transport department because they:-) will interpret the rules themselves. I can't understand why everyone is so worried about all these issues over compliance the facts are they were built to the ADR's of the time, and people are purchasing them, road registering them and enjoying them. If the government an army had any issues with them being sold to the public to be used on public roads, we would not be able to purchase them let alone register and drive them on public roads. We live in an age of litigation and I would suggest defence, federal government, state government, and AFM would not want a class action. So to all I say get a life, and stop all the miss information. One other thing I find hard to understand is Weeds you paint a picture of doom and gloom over these vehicles but you want one seem strange to me. If they are so unsafe why do you want one, I wouldn't want to go near one after I have read your various posts on this topic
Cheers
Rod

[weeds]

Weeds you whole argument falls over on 4 words as quoted above. His interpretation means nothing as it is his opinion and his only. The transport department could have an entirely different opinion and theirs is the one I would listen to, you will even get differing opinions from people within the transport department because they:-) will interpret the rules themselves. I can't understand why everyone is so worried about all these issues over compliance the facts are they were built to the ADR's of the time, and people are purchasing them, road registering them and enjoying them. If the government an army had any issues with them being sold to the public to be used on public roads, we would not be able to purchase them let alone register and drive them on public roads. We live in an age of litigation and I would suggest defence, federal government, state government, and AFM would not want a class action. So to all I say get a life, and stop all the miss information. One other thing I find hard to understand is Weeds you paint a picture of doom and gloom over these vehicles but you want one seem strange to me. If they are so unsafe why do you want one, I wouldn't want to go near one after I have read your various posts on this topic
Cheers
Rod

Rod......I just question statements that are made with no reference. The guy I know works closely with the DOT.....I think he has plenty of other stuff to discuss than the perenties

If it doom and gloom to you put me on your ignore list, I'm just asking questions which is what forums are about.

I think I have said all must be good as they are all getting registered.

I went and look at the Brisbane ones today......in my opinion they are average. I best not list I what I found wrong on each of them as it might stop bidders.......so when somebody buys the one without a fuel cap with a tank full of water I suppose they have got a cracka buy.

No miss info from me.....just throwing my thoughts out there.

Won't mention it again just for you :):)

Oh and I'm no chance of buying a 2 door rag top. Have probably missed my chance for a four door......

Will still potter around the auctions as they are just a couple of blocks from my work.

[hot rover]

No offence intended Kelvin. It is good to be able to debate on a forum with out it becoming nasty. The point is I don't want some swarmy bureaucrat stopping us from buying and driving these vehicles due to some one or a group constantly stating that these vehicles are not safe or do not comply with ADR's. I enjoy driving my perentie and want to enjoy keeping it mostly intact.
Cheers
Rod

[Mick_Marsh]

I think there may be a few who are trying to run them down so they can hopefully pick up a bargain.
I can still remember the rubbish that was posted in that previous thread.
There was a fellow that posted all the Perenties in Afghanistan were being driven into the sea over there rather than being shipped home and he had positive proof, a mate told him.
Some people have bought Perenties with Afghanistan service history.

It's ok to question peoples statements but, please, don't post up fanciful rumor.
(Note: that last statement was meant as a general request and not aimed at anyone.)

[vgpacer70]

Have a look at my recent post in Compliance Plate thread.
This is a a SA rego story that has turned pear shaped.

[RipNZ]

Picked up my 110 GS from Grays Adelaide on Monday, fitted key to ignition, drove to Regency Inspections on Tuesday, in and out in 45 mins no issues. I had all the tools on the bonnet, no modifications required.

Registration at Service SA Marion, 30 minutes, no issues.

Insurance, Budget Direct, full comp, $321.

A very simple and streamlined service by all involved.

Just be sure to get a temporary Compulsory Third Party cert from a Service SA centre prior to driving from Grays. They cost about $48 for a three day period and allow you to drive without plates for 'mechanical repairs'.

Have now fitted combination pintle/50mm towbal, added civvy trailer plug. Next job is to sew up a 'spider web' shade cloth for the cab.

[Mick_Marsh]

Have a look at my recent post in Compliance Plate thread.
This is a a SA rego story that has turned pear shaped.
But, it was resoived in the end, wasn't it?

[Welby]

Nope, do you??.....does anybody??

In my experience in the army I doubt they would have considered anything external to their own weird and wonderful ways

There probably won't be any issues but it a big call say they are compliant....if I end up with one it will be demilitarized pretty quick.

I do have army rops engineering papers.:twisted:

They are an external engineering company's documentation looking to upgrade the RFSV's. I believe them to be the initial study that then became the SRV upgrades.

[67hardtop]

.....cutting the exhaust and making it straight out the back (rather than out the side).

Regards to having the exhaust coming out the back, I would leave it out to the side as fumes will enter the cabin. I know from personal experience, Carbon monoxide poisoning, almost killed me:censored:.

[Mick_Marsh]

Regards to having the exhaust coming out the back, I would leave it out to the side as fumes will enter the cabin. I know from personal experience, Carbon monoxide poisoning, almost killed me:censored:.
In that case, the exhaust system coming out the back is likely not ADR compliant and therefore the vehicle is unroadworthy.

[Welby]

why would you say crap like that.

people are here to learn and you troll away with comments of no help.

'likely non compliant' . is it or isn't it ?

if you don't know , don't make the comment. Or ask the question.

As it is, exhausts out the rear are not compulsory, there are many adr compliant methods of side exit under specific circumstances.

[Mick_Marsh]

why would you say crap like that.

people are here to learn and you troll away with comments of no help.

'likely non compliant' . is it or isn't it ?

if you don't know , don't make the comment. Or ask the question.

As it is, exhausts out the rear are not compulsory, there are many adr compliant methods of side exit under specific circumstances.
Sorry. You're right. It wasn't an ADR, it was a VSI. VSI 26 - Roadworthiness Requirements.

Unshielded parts of an exhaust system, other than the
outlet, must not protrude beyond the profile of the vehicle
other than on the underside. The outlet must be located
so as to avoid direct entry of gases into the passenger
compartment and must not extend beyond the plan of
Unshielded parts of an exhaust system, other than the
outlet, must not protrude beyond the profile of the vehicle
other than on the underside. The outlet must be located
so as to avoid direct entry of gases into the passenger
compartment and must not extend beyond the plan of
the vehicle. See VSI 8 for more information on exhausts.67hartop's post reminded me that I had read somewhere that exhaust gasses in the passenger compartment was a big no no.
Maybe it's OK in South Australia and Perth, but I doubt it.
Anyway, an exhaust oultet out the back on a 4x4 Perentie soft top is unroadworthy in Victoria as it allows exhaust gasses to enter the passenger compartment and any licensed RWC assessor who tells me it is I will challenge.

Note: My registered and roadworthy Perentie's exhaust exits from the side.

[1950landy]

I was talking to the guy who produces The B.M.C.Experence mag. on the weekend at All British Day Brisbane & he was telling me he will have an article in the next issue of the Mag on the Perentie Landrover.:)

[slickrok]

Sems like SA registration is a bit hit and miss.

I just went through Regency and they said I need to change my exhust (expected that one) but also need to cut off the from lift loops as they stick out from the bull bar too far.

Anyone else had an issue with these?

[Mick_Marsh]

Sems like SA registration is a bit hit and miss.

I just went through Regency and they said I need to change my exhust (expected that one) but also need to cut off the from lift loops as they stick out from the bull bar too far.

Anyone else had an issue with these?
Only one other person I know of.
He was in Victoria.


No, they don't need to be cut off. If you are a MV enthusiast and want it original, I'd fight it. If you want to civilianise it, what have you lost by cutting it off?

[BadCo.]

Only one other person I know of.
He was in Victoria.


No, they don't need to be cut off. If you are a MV enthusiast and want it original, I'd fight it. If you want to civilianise it, what have you lost by cutting it off?

Your rated recovery points?

I would fight with the inspector about removing them.

[rar110]

Fit a temporary bar or maybe temporarily bolt a big piece of channel over them across the centre. Guttering might work. Attach your no plate to the channel. It will look ugly but addresses the concern.

[Aussie Jeepster]

This should be fun to register in South Australia lol.
Land Rover 110 4X4 Surveillance & Reconnaissance Soft Top 11/1990 Auction (0012-5014453) | GraysOnline Australia (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0012-5014453/transport-trucks-and-trailers/land-rover-110-4x4-surveillance-reconnaissance-soft-top-11-1990)

[rar110]

Looks like the army was into rebirthing vehicles.

[67hardtop]

What a beast. That wont be regoed anywhere. It doesent comply to any design rules going by the compliance plate. It'll be a farm hack or museum piece :(:(

Sent from my GT-P5110 using AULRO mobile app

[Gordie]

I am looking at getting perentie at auction, will the rego process in Adelaide be:
1. Take it to Naweena St for the numbers checks
2. Get an appointment and take it to Kateena St to go for a full inspection
2. Once both above steps complete, get plates and register


I assume it has to have the full inspection as it 'hasn't been rego'd in Aus before', whereas if I purchased one from a private owner who has it registered interstate, it would only need the numbers check.


I had to do both steps above when I registered a Bonneville m/cycle that came in from the US.


Cheers Gordon

[spudboy]

This is how it happened for me:

Take it to Narweena Rd for inspection. They will check numbers etc. They are well versed in processing ex-Army Land Rovers.

They will want a key to start it, and not allow the simple switch that the army used. Order one on eBay and take it with you to show them and they will accept your word that you'll fit it.

They might tell you to remove some of the brackets - depends upon who you get. There was a lot of debate about whether the roll bar was ADR compliant, but after checking with a superior, they let it go. The bloke who did mine said to remove the convoy lights when I got it home, so I did.

Once they sign off on it, drive around to Kateena St and pay the $$, and they will give you plates.

That's it - registered. Mine took less than 2 hours from go to woe.

HTH
David

BTW - you can't make an appointment at Narweena Rd - you just turn up and wait in the queue :(

[Gordie]

Thanks very much for that specific info David, that is even easier than I expected, I was expecting to have to go over the pits at Kateena St. Yes thanks, was aware that one just rocks up without appointment at Naweena St. Cheers for that :-)

[p38arover]

Register it in a State which accepts them, take it to SA and they will register it with no hassles.

[Gordie]

Register it in a State which accepts them, take it to SA and they will register it with no hassles.
Thanks yeah that had crossed my mind too, if they were going to be too difficult here.

[p38arover]

You'd need a friendly address in the other State......

[Gordie]

You'd need a friendly address in the other State......

Well I shall endeavour to make some interstate friends! Especially from 'easy' states! Hehe.


Hopefully I can do it here, and strike an inspector like I did with my ex USA Bonneville, I think he liked the bike, he was great, went through easily, and he was even concerned about finding a discreet position for it's new ID sticker.

[spudboy]

A good PR exercise is to go and see the big boss at Narweena Rd (I think his name is Karl, from memory - he has a goatie) before you turn up with the vehicle and explain what you are doing.

He was good and explained all things they would check (he told me they'd accept it with proof of a key, even if it wasn't fitted yet).

When I went back - he remembered me, and told the inspectors he'd OK'd things like the key which they were getting particular about.

[Gordie]

A good PR exercise is to go and see the big boss at Narweena Rd (I think his name is Karl, from memory - he has a goatie) before you turn up with the vehicle and explain what you are doing.

He was good and explained all things they would check (he told me they'd accept it with proof of a key, even if it wasn't fitted yet).

When I went back - he remembered me, and told the inspectors he'd OK'd things like the key which they were getting particular about.
Thanks yeah, good advice. In NZ I used to have to put all of my cars and trucks over the pits every 6months, I found that it pays to go into those places with a humble attitude....try getting 'smart-arsed' with those guys, and you will be fixing a lot of things! Actually I used to be involved with the seizing of suspect car process, from Naweena Rd, and found most of those inspectors to be pretty easy going blokes.

[p38arover]

I think his name is Karl, from memory - he has a goatie

:eek:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/45.jpg

He'd look better with a goatee. :angel:

[Gordie]

This is how it happened for me:

Take it to Narweena Rd for inspection. They will check numbers etc. They are well versed in processing ex-Army Land Rovers.

They will want a key to start it, and not allow the simple switch that the army used. Order one on eBay and take it with you to show them and they will accept your word that you'll fit it.

They might tell you to remove some of the brackets - depends upon who you get. There was a lot of debate about whether the roll bar was ADR compliant, but after checking with a superior, they let it go. The bloke who did mine said to remove the convoy lights when I got it home, so I did.


Once they sign off on it, drive around to Kateena St and pay the $$, and they will give you plates.

That's it - registered. Mine took less than 2 hours from go to woe.

HTH
David

BTW - you can't make an appointment at Narweena Rd - you just turn up and wait in the queue :(
Re the key ignition....is that the simple key and barrel on ebay for about $15...which would have to fit into existing keyless ignition by the looks of it...or is it the whole ignition assembly for about $100 which needs replacing? Cheers Gordon.

[spudboy]

You just need the key/barrel. See this post for an explanation:
Removing-24V-generator-adding-a-key-to-my-Ex-Army-110 (http://daviddeere.net.au/dnnd2/en-us/Blog/Post/294/Removing-24V-generator-adding-a-key-to-my-Ex-Army-110)

It's just the barrel that you need, as shown at the bottom right of this picture:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/937.jpg

HTH
David

[Gordie]

You just need the key/barrel. See this post for an explanation:
Removing-24V-generator-adding-a-key-to-my-Ex-Army-110 (http://daviddeere.net.au/dnnd2/en-us/Blog/Post/294/Removing-24V-generator-adding-a-key-to-my-Ex-Army-110)

It's just the barrel that you need, as shown at the bottom right of this picture:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/937.jpg

HTH
David
Excellent...thanks mate!

[Twisty]

Sems like SA registration is a bit hit and miss.

I just went through Regency and they said I need to change my exhust (expected that one) but also need to cut off the from lift loops as they stick out from the bull bar too far.

Anyone else had an issue with these?

Just went through regency park with my FFR, had some young bloke that had zero personality....

I have to remove the seating in the rear; I'm not sure who in their right mind would travel there anyway.

Direct the exhaust down, or to the rear.

Fit a key - expected. Ordered one a few weeks ago still hasn't arrived; great postal system we have.

Remove the protrusions from front and rear, remove the jerry can holders as "they block the visibility of tail lights", remove items off the bonnet.

Theres not going to be much of my car left when I'm finished it would seem.

[Eevo]

Just went through regency park with my FFR, had some young bloke that had zero personality....

I have to remove the seating in the rear; I'm not sure who in their right mind would travel there anyway.

Direct the exhaust down, or to the rear.

Fit a key - expected. Ordered one a few weeks ago still hasn't arrived; great postal system we have.

Remove the protrusions from front and rear, remove the jerry can holders as "they block the visibility of tail lights", remove items off the bonnet.

Theres not going to be much of my car left when I'm finished it would seem.


once its registered , you can more or less do what you want.

[67hardtop]

My ffr is registered and still has the pointy bits and bonnet embellishments as well as some pink bitshttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/720.jpg

Cheers Rod.

Oops. The pig is now gone coz a copper had a "friendly" word to me about it...

[Bearman]

Good to see some common sense has prevailed Rod.