Cause, Effect and Risk

[Disco58]

Landie Mates, I have written and attached a story about a recent incident I was involved in. I recommend you have a look as this maybe consider what happened to me and what I did wrong. Then should you find yourself in a similar situation, you might fare better. Safe driving, Disco 58

Sorry there's no pics, file size was too big.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Thanks for sharing - I always try to learn from the mistakes of others; there simply isn't enough time or money to make them all myself...

Each contribing factor probably was a manageable or acceptable risk in and of themselves. But it is usually when the risks start stacking up without being considered together that real trouble arises.

Good to hear things didn't end differently.

[Greatsouthernland]

Thanks Disco58 for spending the time to write and post that summary AND critical analysis.

Lucky outcome...I hope it's back on the road in good working order soon.

Cheers.

[Davo]

That's great of you to not only share but to just admit your mistakes in the first place. There's not much of that about! Someone posted a link here a while ago to a video a guy had put up of him rolling his Toyota on a dirt road. Of course, at the end of the video he blamed the road and the shire and whatever else he could think of. But a couple of us did some calculations and it looked like he'd simply been going too fast - and I doubt he would have admitted it.

I've also got to say that this is a superb example of how a more modern car can be tricky to repair in the bush, partly because of the mechanical design but also because of the electronics.

[V8Ian]

The exercise may have been flawed but the self debrief was brilliant. Glad you were able to take something out of the situation.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Should have added this to my earlier post; misfortune Murphy strikes again

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/379.jpg

[Disco Muppet]

Excellent honest after-action.
Glad it didn't end worse for you.
We all **** up from time to time. What separates the men from the boys so to speak is who's got the stones to admit it.
You've also identified a major flaw with semi-floating axle designs.

[Graeme]

Sorry but your actions scare me, to read that someone thinks its acceptable to drive an unsteerable, unstoppable vehicle at speed on a public road thereby putting lots of lives at risk, regardless of the reason. Notwithstanding that several poor decisions were made that led to the vehice's condition, continuing to drive it was inexcusable.

[simmo]

Wal, thanks for your brutally honest sharing of your experience with us, it can be a lesson for us all to slow down and think a bit more when we get caught in a difficult situation. It's interesting we don't apply more of our workplace learning and safety practice in our private lives. But the main thing is to move on and try put it behind you, don't run yourself down over it. good luck simmo:)

PS; the main thing I got from your debrief, is carry the workshop manual in the car, or the parts of it related to the suspension axles & brakes. I carry the Haynes manual in my car it's small and covers most topics. Even if the owners is not technical, someone might be able to help who is.

[Safari]

Sorry Graeme, But I think your comments are a bit harsh. He has not disabled the brakes only the abs, he has not touched the steering, he has removed the drive to one set of axles. I have done exactly this to numerous cars and they still drove, steered and stopped better than any series landrover that I have driven. I think the point that we can all learn from this is that modern cars are different to the old ones we used to work on. Cheers Rob

[bob10]

That was as good as 'air crash investigation' on Fox. Don't mean to be flippant, but, mate, you were lucky. I'm sure you know that. There is a lot to be said for buying RAVE [ from the shop] and spending time studying it. Take your lap top & RAVE with you where ever you go. And pay for the RACQ 'ultra care ' cover. At the very least. Bob

[bee utey]

Sorry Graeme, But I think your comments are a bit harsh. He has not disabled the brakes only the abs, he has not touched the steering, he has removed the drive to one set of axles. I have done exactly this to numerous cars and they still drove, steered and stopped better than any series landrover that I have driven. I think the point that we can all learn from this is that modern cars are different to the old ones we used to work on. Cheers Rob


D2 hubs are totally unlike D1 hubs. Undoing the CV joint nuts off the front hubs loosens the clamping force holding the bearing assemblies together. That would account for the dangerous handling and braking experienced by the OP. It is extreme folly IMHO to try and proceed with the hubs loose like that. A quick stop and rocking the wheels by hand would have spotted this as soon as symptoms presented themselves. Instead the vehicle was driven further at great risk to all surrounding road users..

Personally I would have just engaged the CDL and driven out with the CV in place, even with the boot cut with a knife and let the broken bits fall out. Moral: Don't let an enthusiastic Toyota driver near the mechanicals of your precious Landy, it could have ended in buckets of tears.

[Tombie]

Thank you for your open and honest ICAM.. :cool:

Sometimes lady luck smiles upon us... ;)

[bob10]

Don't feel too bad. Some years ago, my brother organised a fishing trip to 1770. He borrowed our cousins boat, I supplied the vehicle. Knowing full well our cousin didn't look after his gear, I asked brother to go over the trailer, grease the bearings, etc. I organised the vehicle & fishing gear. Long story short, coming back, luckily on a new stretch of highway near Maryborough, I heard a noise, and then watched as our right hand trailer wheel came past us, up the centre line for about 50 metres, then veered right, off the road, and bounced over the fence, & was last seen disappearing into the bush. Amazingly, the car & trailer pulled up straight.


Of course, we had no spare bearings, the 'u' bolts on the axle had been ground down & removed the nuts. It was a major evolution to get it back on the road, but thanks to some friendly locals, we managed. Just. The scary thing is, 4 motor bikes came on the other side of the road about 10 minutes after it happened. We were lucky that time. Now I check everything myself. Bob

[V8Ian]

Another good reason to not go fishing, Bob. I recommend Ean Austral if you must eat seafood. :p

[bob10]

Another good reason to not go fishing, Bob. I recommend Ean Austral if you must eat seafood. :p


We support our local fishermen, prawns so fresh they are still warm, straight off the boat. Bugs, calamari, still kicking, just about. I'll stick with the locals. Bob
;)